National House Ballot Update, December 3rd

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Dec 03, 2009 at 18:56


I'm putting this on the front page just to remind everyone of this new, regular feature on Open Left.  The National House ballot is updated nearly everyday, although usually the updates do not appear on the front page.  Make sure to come back to Open Left everyday, to check out the latest numbers!  You can find them in the middle column--Chris

Today's update: Democrats +1.00

Last update: Dec 01: Democrats +1.57

Changes in the polls:
--Nov 02 Economist removed

Recent results:
2008: Democrats +8.9% (257 seats)
2006: Democrats +7.9% (233 seats)
2004: Republicans +2.6% (203 seats)
2002: Republicans +4.6% (206 seats)

Answering user questions:
Q: leshrac55 asks:

Ras has R's plus 7 while nearly every other poll is closer to the exact opposite (D's +6 or 7).  The fact that Ras contributes 4 numbers to this really skews things. Wouldn't it make more sense to just use the latest Ras instead of all?

A: Rasmussen's extensive weighting in the average (four of the thirteen polls) does not bother me.  According to the research I have done, including multiple polls from the same firm produces much more accurate results than including only the most recent poll from each firm.

Admittedly, some of the tightening can be explained by The Economist discontinuing their weekly poll.  As such, I know there is a weird ontological problem with my method, in that the polls are creating reality in addition to measuring it.  It's not like reality changed just because The Economist stopped measuring it, after all. (Then again, The Economist sometimes seems so haughty, they might disagree with that assessment.)

Still, I have yet to see a better forecasting method anywhere, so I am sticking with it.

Polls included in the calculation
Poll Sponsor Poll Mid-Date Democrats Republicans
Total Dec 03 40.54 39.54
Rasmussen Nov 26 37 44
Daily Kos Nov 24 37 32
Rasmussen Nov 20 37 44
Daily Kos Nov 18 37 31
CNN Nov 14 49 43
DCorps Nov 14 47 45
PPP Nov 14 46 38
Rasmussen Nov 13 38 44
Daily Kos Nov 11 36 30
Gallup Nov 07 44 48
Rasmussen Nov 05 37 43
Daily Kos Nov 04 35 30
Pew Nov 03 47 42

Chris Bowers :: National House Ballot Update, December 3rd
Methodology:

  1. Until the final six weeks of the election, take the simple mean of virtually all polls where the majority of interviews were conducted over the last 30 days.

  2. During the final six weeks of an election, use the simple mean from the last 15 days.

  3. Do not include Zogby Interactive polls and Columbus Dispatch polls, due to their horrendous past performance and questionable methodologies.

  4. Do not include Strategic Vision polls, as it is starting to seem likely those are not real polls.

  5. Include campaign-funded polls. Further, if there is more than one poll from a single organization, include all of them.
The basic idea is to cram as many polls with sound methodologies into the averages as possible, and weight them evenly to include more overall data in the sample. Because voter preferences don't really change that much in high-profile elections, I thought this method might produce a more accurate result through logic of regression to the mean. It seems to work pretty well, as my research has shown so far.

This is different from my 2006 and 2008 methodology in that it includes polls from 15 days out from an election, instead of only 8. Further, campaign funded polls, and multiple polls from a single polling firm, are now included. All of these changes were made to include more polls in the averages, since my previous methodology was about 10-20% less accurate than Pollster.com and fivethrityeight.com. Since they had already raised the bar so high, and since they will probably improve their methodologies for 2010 even more, it was time for Open Left to step it up.


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Are the Democrats even trying anymore? (4.00 / 1)

 The Democrats move further and further to the right, and their poll numbers drop more and more, and the leadership's reaction is to move even further to the right. So we get crap policy that screws people over -- from Democrats. Because they believe it gets them re-elected.

 The mind boggles.

 We are, effectively, a one-party state. I honestly don't know if the US of A is salvageable anymore. Everything is broken.  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


keep with rasmussen (4.00 / 1)
they may seem like an outlier but:

1. History suggests their results are as good or better than most other pollsters.

2. They are polling likely voters rather than all voters; more fire on the R side now so their results are not as surprising as one might think.

3. It's at least conceivable that robot callers get more accurate results than human callers. The opposite could be true too....that's why you average.

4. They serve as a counterweight to the other polls.


A bit more on likely voter screens (0.00 / 0)
For those who don't know, likely voters have always been more tilted toward Republicans than registered voters or all voters.  There would be something wrong if Rasmussen's numbers didn't tilt Republican when compared polling outfits that don't use a likely voter screen.  Plus, Rasmussen uses a much more aggressive likely voter screen, which isn't just asking people how likely they are to vote.

Looking at the polls, one clear problem, as Nate Silver points out, is that black voters are completely uninterested in voting, despite being strongly supportive of Obama.  Obama is still strongly popular among non-white and liberal Democrats and, arguably, it would be a mistake for politicians to run away from a president who is popular with the party base (which Blue Dogs seem intent on doing).

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not quite true (4.00 / 1)
It's not like reality changed just because The Economist stopped measuring it, after all.

Well, it is demonstrable true that once you start to measure things, measurement changes them (such as)...

THEREFORE, to stop measuring something is to also stop changing it...

So, if the Economist stopped measuring it, reality did change.

(As to whether or not the change is large enough to impact the forecast... that's a whole 'nother topic. :-)

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A Rasmussen-free average produces (0.00 / 0)
Dems: 42.0

Repubs: 33.0


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