Behind the Lies About ACORN

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 08:30


Republished from Random Lengths News, December 4, 2009 Issue.  My contribution to pushing back against the rightwing war on ACORN.

Behind the Lies About ACORN
By Paul Rosenberg, Senior Editor

In the summer of 2009, two young conservative activists posing as a pimp and prostitute-and occasionally other characters-approached at least 10 local offices of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, better known as ACORN. Among other things, they asked advice on taxes and a business venture that involved underage illegal immigrant girls from El Salvador. ACORN employees at some offices asked them to leave, at two (at least), the police were called, and one staffer recorded them on a cell phone.  Los Angeles was one place they were kicked out. But staffers in four offices-San Diego, Washington, D.C., Baltimore, and Brooklyn-fell for the act, and offered to help them, with advice on taxes and buying a home.

Within a week of the tapes being released, and causing a media firestorm, Congress took the unusual step of specifically defunding ACORN by name, without even pretending to investigate-even though ACORN itself had already fired the staffers involved, and was moving to make its own investigation, headed by former Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger.

The defunding was so unusual that it's almost certainly unconstitutional, a violation of Article I, Section 9, paragraph 3 of which provides that "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law will be passed."  A bill of attainder singles out individuals or groups for punishment without benefit of trial, and violates the bedrock principle of separation of powers. On November 12, ACORN filed suit to nullify the defunding as unconstitutional.

 

Paul Rosenberg :: Behind the Lies About ACORN
For those who think President Obama is a socialist born in Kenya, there was already probably no organization more sinister than ACORN. And for good reason: A media analysis, released in September, 2009, documented a persistent pattern of deeply biased reporting that fundamentally misreported basic facts, in effect reproducing propaganda that ACORN's enemies had been peddling for years.  

"Over the years, ACORN has made powerful enemies," explained Peter Dreier, a professor of politics at Occidental College and one of the study's co-authors, in an LA Times op-ed. "Many businesses oppose the group's efforts to raise wages for the working poor. Banks, mortgage companies and payday lenders have fought ACORN's campaigns to strengthen regulation of the financial industry. Business groups have funded anti-ACORN Web sites, such as rottenacorn.com, that aim to destroy the group's credibility. Republicans have long opposed ACORN's success at registering low-income, mostly minority voters, who are more likely to vote for Democrats."

Consequently, it was relatively easy to stir up a firestorm with the videotapes of a few foolish staffers.

"The rightwing media and their allies in Congress are using the same formula that they utilized to attack ACORN for alleged voter fraud during the presidential campaign to attack ACORN for what appears to be lax control over its employees providing housing counseling and tax preparation advice," Dreier told Random Lenghts.  "Essentially, this began with these two 20-something video photographers getting advice from rightwing political activists about how to entrap ACORN employees,  and then to use the megaphone of the rightwing echo chamber, particularly Fox News and the conservative blogosphere to gain traction."

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    SIDEBAR

    Study Maps Media Bias Covering ACORN
    By Paul Rosenberg, Senior Editor

    In September, Peter Dreier, a professor of politics at Occidental College, and Christopher R. Martin, a professor of journalism, at the University of Northern Iowa, released a study, "Manipulating the Public Agenda: Why ACORN Was in the News, and What the News Got Wrong"

    The study found that media coverage in 2007 and 2009 was profoundly biased.  In October 2008-just before the election, when coverage of ACORN sharply peaked-"76% of the stories focused on allegations of voter fraud"  What's more, "The 'voter fraud' frame appeared in 55% of the 647 news stories about the community organization in 15 mainstream news organizations during 2007 and 2008. Two fundamental flaws dominated the coverage.  First, media "failed to distinguish allegations of voter registration problems from allegations of actual voting irregularities."  The former have occurred sporadically, and almost always involve temporary contract workers whose main intent is to get paid for work they haven't done. ACORN itself is the primary victim, and ACORN has repeatedly turned in violators, as well as firing them.  Voting irregularities, in contrast, are virtually non-existent. Second, the study found the media "also failed to distinguish between allegations of wrongdoing and actual wrongdoing."

    Specifically, the study found:

    • 82.8% of the stories about ACORN's alleged involvement in voter fraud failed to mention that actual voter fraud is very rare (only 17.2% did mention it).
    • 80.3% of the stories about ACORN's alleged involvement in voter fraud failed to mention that ACORN was reporting registration irregularities to authorities, as required to do by law.
    • 85.1% of the stories about ACORN's alleged involvement in voter fraud failed to note that ACORN was acting to stop incidents of registration problems by its (mostly temporary) employees when it became aware of these problems
    • 95.8% of the stories about ACORN's alleged involvement in voter fraud failed to provide deeper context, especially efforts by Republican Party officials to use allegations of "voter fraud" to dampen voting by low-income and minority Americans, including the firing of U.S. Attorneys who refused to cooperate with the politicization of voter fraud accusations.

Behind the Lies About ACORN (cont.)

ACORN From Eye-Level

Whatever ACORN means to its enemies, it means something quite different to its 500,000 members, and the millions more it has helped over the years by improving their communities, providing financial counseling, and registering them to vote.

"They're saving people's homes, they're helping neighborhoods rebuild, they're helping educational foundations do the right thing, they're working with police agencies, they're doing things are needed to be done," said Bernie Kabe, a 21-year veteran of the LA County Probation Department, and shop steward and executive board member with AFSCME Local 685.  Kabe said he has worked with ACORN for more than half a decade.

"About 4 or 5 years ago when we went up [to Sacramento] to request that the probation budget not be cut, they brought about five buses and-I don't know-they brought about 3-400 people up there to help us lobby the legislature   In fact, they were so vocal that a bunch of their people got arrested.

"I was just stunned, but surprised, happily that they were that committed to their young people and to their communities, and to the probation department, ie 685, the union, that they would come up there and help us lobby.  That was phenomenal."

Lyneva Mottley, chairperson of Watts ACORN, first got involved with ACORN more than a decade ago, "They were fighting to get traffic signals at a street corner," she recalled.  After a few years off, "to take care of my mom," she got involved again, taking part in a citizen lobbying action that took her to Washington. Among other things, she recalled, "We spoke with Ted Kennedy, about the health care bill that's going through the process of being passed right now."

More recently, she's been involved in fighting foreclosures. "We were able to save two homes," over the course of the last year, she said. "One of a retired school teacher.  We intervened and helped her save her home."  Both were homes their owners had lived in for decades, before falling prey to predatory finance schemes that they were told would help them make needed repairs.  It was this pattern of financial predation that ACORN discovered in the late 1990s, and helped organize against years before similarly deceptive tactics were expanded to trap new homeowners in the sub-prime market-many of whom we actually qualified for standard prime-rate loans.

Peter Kuhns is a local ACORN staffer who's been with ACORN for over a decade. He vividly recalls ACORN's 2000 convention in Philadelphia, which featured a mass action against predatory lending.

"We had 2000 people simultaneously march into the offices of three major banks and investment companies and demand to talk about predatory lending.  It was right at the beginning of the time across the country that predatory lending was being discussed as a problem," Kuhns recalled.

"That experience had a big impact on me, because I'd never been part of something that big before, where there was 2000 people doing a very aggressive [action]-it was obviously non-violent, and nobody even got arrested, it was just marching into a building and having a press conference, but the combination of that being part of something that big, with the fact that in retrospect we were among the very first people around the country to raise the issue of predatory lending, that had a very big impact on low-income communities, and communities of color in particular, that had a big impact on me."

ACORN's Fight Against Predatory Lending

ACORN first became aware of predatory lending-a term they claim to have coined-from friends and family of those affected.

"ACORN's organizing model is to go door to door in low-income communities and talk to people about the things they'd liked to see changed. And then that helps us build a network of folks in the community," explained Nathan Henderson-James, ACORN's Chief of Online Organizing.  "One of the things that our members started to talk to us about, after they were done talking about the fact that the garbage doesn't get picked up, and that there's stray dogs in the alleys, and those kinds of issues, was that some of their neighbors, some of their relatives getting scammed out of their homes."

"It was just like their parents who had had a house for 30 year all of a sudden were in foreclosure, through a set of circumstances that they did not understand," Henderson-James said. "They'd receive a bunch of crazy promises from somebody, and a bunch of obscure and obtuse paperwork. And it turned out this wasn't just happening in one place, it was happening in community, after community, after community."

Because of their nationwide scope, ACORN was able to see the pattern more quickly than others. "We began to see the fact that there was a systematic attempt to get people into loans they couldn't afford, and put them into a process that would essentially take out as much equity as they could get from the folks, and then turn it over to the bankruptcy lawyers or the foreclosure attorneys, or the sheriffs," Henderson-James added. "This was in the late 90s."

In 1999, ACORN helped North Carolina draft the first anti-predatory lending law-a process ACORN would soon duplicate elsewhere. "We were able to pass laws in 8 or 10 states, maybe, modeled on the best aspects of the law passed in North Carolina in1999," Henderson-James said.

By 2000 and 2001, ACORN began releasing a series of reports-many with titles beginning "Separate and Unequal" analyzing the impacts of predatory lending in cities like Los Angeles, Philadelphia and Minneapolis, as well as nationwide, documenting both the spread of subprime lending, and the racial bias associated with it. For example, "Separate and Unequal 2002: Predatory Lending in America" reported that "18.05% of the conventional refinance loans received by upper-income African-American homeowners were from subprime lenders," while "Subprime lenders made 11.76% of all conventional refinance loans received by low-income white homeowners."

"We were able to have a real set of victories that made people's lives better, that stopped predatory lending in a lot of different places around the country," Henderson-James recalled, "And made us whole new set of enemies within the financial services industry."

Voter Registration vs. Voter Suppression: ACORN vs. the GOP

But those enemies were nothing compared to its enemies within the Republican Party, which has been suppressing minority voters since at least the 1950s, when former Supreme Court Chief Justice William Rhenquist is known to have participated in suppressing Latino voters in Arizona.  In the 1980s, the GOP settled a lawsuit agreeing to halt all such activities, but spin-off groups have repeatedly violated the spirit of that settlement.

ACORN began doing statewide voter-registration work in the early 1990s, in partnership with Project Vote, focused mostly on minority and low-income communities where voter registration rates were abnormally low.  (The US is the only industrial democracy with a pronounced class bias in voter participation rates.)

"In terms of a nationwide large-scale programs, we didn't really get that together until 2004, when we were able to help about 1.1 million folks register to vote in 26 different states," said Henderson James.

"That was also in conjunction with a statewide ballot initiative in Florida, constitutional amendment in Florida, to raise the minimum wage and index it to the inflation rate." ACORN registered about 200,000 voters, gathered signatures for the initiative, and then ran a get-out-the-vote field operation to mobilize the communities they served.

"Our folks voted in huge numbers, that thing passed in huge numbers, and I think was the shot across the bow to folk who support the status quo and are worried about distribution of wealth issues about the ability and capacity of ACORN to make serious change."

Indeed, it was noticed all the way up to the White House, where presidential advisor Karl Role (aka "Bush's Brain") became involved in trying to counter-attack ACORN.  In late 2006, nine US Attorneys were fired for various political reasons, which were hidden behind false claims they had under-performed.  Failure to prosecute highly questionable voter fraud cases appeared to be factors in at least three of the firings. Most notably, New Mexico US Attorney David Iglesias stated emphatically that he had been pressured for years to bring baseless voter fraud cases, and that his failure to do so was the reason he was fired.  He looked at over 100 potential cases, and found none worthy of prosecution

Rove himself denied he was responsible, even as he told Fox News, "I passed on to the White House counsel`s office to pass on to the Justice Department complaints about the performance of the U.S. attorney in New Mexico, that he failed to go after ACORN and clear cases of vote fraud."

As Henderson-James sees it, the "voter fraud" charges became even more prominent in 2008 because, "[I]t was the only thing they had left.  They weren't going to win an election on the issues, they weren't going to win an election on a vision, so they were trying to win an election by keeping the other guys voters from the polls"-otherwise known as "voter suppression," which took other well-known forms as well: "[T]he attacks themselves from 2004 to now were also tied to attacks on the state level to restrict access to the ballots... though voter ID laws, through voter list purging laws, through a variety of policy changes and legislative changes as a way of narrowing the voter rolls to a set of folks who were more to the liking of the politicians in power, or who were forces of the status quo."

Lessons From An Ambush

Playing a key role on two different fronts where low-income and minority communities confronted establishment power put ACORN clearly in the crosshairs.  In retrospect, Henderson-James said, ACORN had left itself vulnerable to attack, let its guard down, and failed to respond quickly and effectively.

"ACORN itself did not do a good job of responding to these things and we did not do a good job of understanding the position we were in, in the first place after a year of attacks," he said. "We had a lot of things on our plate" and worrying about a sex-based sting on under-trained staff was not one of them.

What's hurt ACORN most has not been the cut-off of federal funds, which were never a large part of ACORN's budget, but rather the intimidation of others who've drawn back from working with ACORN.

On the right, the mercenaries firm formerly known as Blackwater has had a long trail of misdeeds that have left dozens of people dead directly and thousands dead indirectly.  But even the Obama Administration seems disinclined to act, as it recently granted Blackwater another $200 million contract.  The contrast with how quickly ACORN was cut off could not be more stark.

When asked what he thought accounted for the difference, Henderson-James specifically stepped out of his role as an ACORN employee. "This is a personal observation, not an organizational observation," he said, and then plunged ahead: "It really points out how the progressive movement is not a movement. It is a bunch of people who share a political vision for America, but do it from the feet of several independent organizations that do not have an infrastructure that allows them to communicate quickly with each other, and create ways so that they can function much more as if they were part of a unified movement."

As a result, "What you see when ACORN starts to get attacked, the second round, and cleverly through sex, and prostitution scandal, a non-scandal, really, was the inability for people to think outside their own organizational self-interest," and thus the urge for organizational self-preservation took center-stage. It's not anyone's fault, he stressed. Rather, "structurally, there was no ability for people to get together."

Dreier has an even stronger sense that the attack is not so much on ACORN per se, but on progressives as a whole, as well as the Obama Administration.

"ACORN's just a proxy," Dreier said. "It started with GOP convention in St Paul," when Obama was repeatedly attacked and mocked for his early years as a community organizer, most notably by Sarah Palin.

"They'er trying to weaken the progressive movement, and to destroy the Obama Administration, that's what's important about it," Dreier said, pointing out that Glenn Beck and other key figures are already lining up others for similar attacks.

"This isn't about ACORN," Dreier concluded. "That's the bigger story."

But from Lyneva Mottley's perspective, maybe it is about ACORN, and maybe that is the bigger story.  And maybe that's not even a contradiction of what Dreier said, but rather, another way of saying the same thing.

The day she spoke to Random Lengths, ACORN had held a protest at Fox.  "We want the public to see the real face of ACORN," Mottley said.  "We had buttons that said, 'I am ACORN ask me why.' We had people there that ACORN had helped."

She went on to say, "We are a community ACORN is the form by which they can also be ACORN by uniting."


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Massive Republican cheating (4.00 / 2)
Over the years one party has been guilty of cheating on a massive scale, the Republicans.  Republicans in the county registrars off ice of one Florida county filled in 38,000 voter registrations that were submitted with incomplete inor missing information.

First, this was done on county time.  Second, the forms were not legal.  Third, these are the same Florida Republicans that were gleefully purging voter rolls in Democratic areas of the state at the same time.

One firm hired by Republicans to rgister voters in Oregon and Nevada turned in the forms from Republican rewgistrations and destroyed the forms from Democratic registrations.  Not legal.  They got into no problems as far as I know.

The nature of the guy who made the ACORN sting is also notable.  He's a young Jersey wiseguy in the non-Mafia sense who protested formally to a Dean at Rutgers that Lucky Charms should be banned because it is anti-Irish.  And he filmed it.  Jackass.


Well, Sort Of... (0.00 / 0)
Actually, I think what you're referring to in Florida was incomplete absentee ballot registrations.

However, the ballots were accepted by Democratically-appointed appeals court judges, because (A) under Florida law, the intent of the voters trumps all else, and (B) the screwups of the GOP operatives should not be used to prevent people's votes from counting.

The Florida Supreme Court refused to rehear these cases.

And this, of course, is all by itself proof positive that the GOP/Versailles narrative about the Florida election is a piece of crap--since the linchpin of that narrative was that Florida Supreme Court was not acting properly in interpreting Florida law (and thus was throwing the election to Gore), but the US Supreme Court was (and thus was not throwing the election to Bush).

In fact, if the Florida Supreme Court had wanted to steal the election for Gore, they could have simply reviewed the appeals court decisions and thrown out those ballots, so that Gore would have won by a margin of more than 10,000 votes.

But they had too much integrity to do that.

Of course, there were all sorts of other shenanigans going on in Florida, but since you brought up those ballots, I just thought I should run that down.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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It's what they do (4.00 / 2)
At my own blog I have something called the "Seeing the Forest Rule" which is, "When right-wingers are accusing others of something it is usually a cover for something THEY are doing."

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I don't know too much about this story (0.00 / 0)
but after skimming your piece and watching those videos, it still seems like ACORN employees gave advice to a pimp.  Why is that not a concern?

Because (4.00 / 1)
(a) First off, I never said it wasn't a concern.  I just pointed out that it was a wildly exaggerated concern, compared to others who have done far worse, and not to be taken at face value.

(b) ACORN already fired the staffers who screwed up.

(c) ACORN is already reviewing why it happened, bringing in a respected outsider to conduct the review for it.

(d) What those staffers did, though stupid and deplorable, was not in line with ACORN's mission.

Maybe you should actually read my article, rather than just skimming it.

Or maybe voting rights and preventing predatory lending really just don't matter all that much to you.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Also (0.00 / 0)
I understand that some of the staffers actually called police to report them.

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Great article (0.00 / 0)
The swiftboating of ACORN is really appalling.

By the way, when is the politically-motivated firing of all those federal  prosecutors ever going to be investigated? And why isn't Karl Rove in jail?


As Soon As We Elect A Democratic President (4.00 / 2)
I'm told that efforts to raise Harry Truman from the dead are showing remarkable progress.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Reading this (4.00 / 3)
reminds me of how enraged I was at the corporate media, like when the NYT's "public editor" saw fit to agonize over whether this story had been covered at a monumental enough level.

Here's an excerpt from the e-mail I sent in:

That you would instead engage in this most vile kind of false equivalence, that some trivial stupidity on the part of a trivial organization is the journalistic and moral equivalent of trillions of dollars in corrupt bank bailouts and defense contracts, shows how despicably far you personally and the Times itself have fallen from any ideal of journalism or even simple human decency.

I'd be inclined to attribute it to cowardice in the face of right wing thuggery, and certainly you are such cowards. They sure know how to play you: demanding coverage for their obsessions; screaming that the coverage is biased; all the while absurdly calling you (by any historical standard a rightist newspaper, and a rightist media in general) the "liberal media", a patent absurdity that you happily embrace. Yes, they know who they're bullying.

(Are you historically ignorant as well? Do you not know how ACORN has been a right wing obsession for decades? Not because it has accomplished much by the measure of power, but because of the principle, because of what it's trying to accomplish, which is to help empower the weakest, poorest people.)

But far more it's simply that your corporate media, every bit as much as the political parties, are the bought and paid for flunkies of these criminal corporations.

That's of course why Congress rushed to pass an unconstitutional bill of attainder against ACORN, and the IRS cut ties with them, even as the Blackwater State Dept. contract is happily renewed without a whisper of protest.

Why is ACORN being crucified for spitting on the sidewalk while Blackwater remains the privileged darling even after committing literal and figurative massacres? It's very simple: because ACORN actually exists to help the poor and the weak. How quaint. How strange.

That's why you in the corporate media always despised them and laughed at them in principle: because your mission has become to comfort the powerful and afflict the afflicted.

And that's why, when ACORN is found to have done something silly but trivial compared to real corporate crimes, the right wing screams out the standard equivalence lie.

And when the media didn't jump to with enough alacrity, when the thugs demand still more blood, we now have the "public editor" of all people solemnly intoning that the Times did indeed not sufficiently emphasize this pivotal story of our times.

I'd say you should be ashamed of yourself, if I thought shame any longer existed in this prostituted country.

Judging from the blurb on the op-ed page today, he'll be at it again on climatechangegate. (I didn't read the piece because I was in too good a mood at the time.)

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After Cheerleading The Whitewater Non-Scandal & The Persecution of Wen Ho Lee (0.00 / 0)
in the 1990s, and trumpeting the non-existent WMDs of Iraq earlier this decade, the NYT has set itself a very high bar for promoting rightwing lies.

I'm afraid the items you've identified are pathetically feeble by comparison.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Acorn is: (0.00 / 0)
Acorn is involved in groups with premise interest in doing good.  Some of their involvement with groups having antithetical goals to the laws of this country and acting as a funnel for federal funding money to them will be their undoing.  In essense they are using federal funds to political ends.  Thus ACORN's involvement with SEIU becomes a political party to influence public policy.  

Conservative......CNN news:Nopenhagen: US PRES 2 WKS LATE ATTEND 1 DAY, GORE JOURNEY BY TRAIN.

You Really ARE An Ignorant Jerk 80-90% Of The Time (4.00 / 1)
I like it better when you surprise me.

The entire conservative movement is arguably a criminal enterprise (see Rachel Maddow's coverage of C-Street/The Family this year for just one prominent example) and you're buying the rightwing smear job that ACORN and SEIU are the Devil?

And what about Vann Jones?  Why aren't you attacking him, too?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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See also: break-in attempts at the office of climate scientist Andrew Weaver- (0.00 / 0)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/scie...

When the right engages in a pattern of criminality, its agenda, to judge by the climate email nonsense, is bolstered rather than undermined.


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Precisely! (0.00 / 0)
And this is perfectly consistent from their point of view.  After all, if you work for God, then even the worst crimes are done in his name, and thus are holy.  And even the best deeds of those you oppose are but 'snares of the devil.'

That sort of thinking is what plunged Europe into the bloodiest wars of its history in the wake of the Reformation.  And modern liberalism was born out of the wisdom that came from realizing that should never happen again.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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In another post, (0.00 / 0)
I relate that I worked my way through the university at the undergraduate level while being a member of a union.  I earned an AB in a hard science.  I was also employed as a pollution technician at the state level.

This I can tell you as a student of science, all data for any hypothesis has to be confirmable and from that data, the outcome has to be repeatable.  These are bedrock foundations of science.  In the case of climate change/global warming, neither of these two fundamental principles have been met.

Media coverage of "hacked or stolen" hasn't been proved.  This inference has no basis.  These scientists have just been caught with their hands in the cooking jar of public funds.

Conservative......CNN news:Nopenhagen: US PRES 2 WKS LATE ATTEND 1 DAY, GORE JOURNEY BY TRAIN.


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Photoshopped (4.00 / 1)
And the pictures of ships in the new Arctic shipping lanes are Photoshopped, too, I suppose?

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Science is Science (0.00 / 0)
The two principles I have outlined must be maintained.  If they aren't then any "science" of any topic must be viewed with with a great amount of skepticism.  Who are we to believe in?  This falls in line with your question.  Are they photoshopped?  

If the numbers are disproved, these scientists will have done mankind a great disservice.  The scientific community knows this.  Im sure that we will hear a lot more about this subject from the scientific community.  The media will simply say that they were misled.  They haven't done any real journalism since the advent of the internet anyway.

Conservative......CNN news:Nopenhagen: US PRES 2 WKS LATE ATTEND 1 DAY, GORE JOURNEY BY TRAIN.


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And Lies Are Lies (0.00 / 0)
There's absolutely no "there" there in "climategate", as anyone with a lick of sense already knows.  But don't take my word for it.

From Nature:

Editorial
Nature 462, 545 (3 December 2009) | doi :10.1038/462545a; Published online 2 December 2009

Climatologists under pressure

Stolen e-mails have revealed no scientific conspiracy, but do highlight ways in which climate researchers could be better supported in the face of public scrutiny.

The e-mail archives stolen last month from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia (UEA), UK, have been greeted by the climate-change-denialist fringe as a propaganda windfall (see page 551). To these denialists, the scientists' scathing remarks about certain controversial palaeoclimate reconstructions qualify as the proverbial 'smoking gun': proof that mainstream climate researchers have systematically conspired to suppress evidence contradicting their doctrine that humans are warming the globe.

This paranoid interpretation would be laughable were it not for the fact that obstructionist politicians in the US Senate will probably use it next year as an excuse to stiffen their opposition to the country's much needed climate bill. Nothing in the e-mails undermines the scientific case that global warming is real - or that human activities are almost certainly the cause. That case is supported by multiple, robust lines of evidence, including several that are completely independent of the climate reconstructions debated in the e-mails.

First, Earth's cryosphere is changing as one would expect in a warming climate. These changes include glacier retreat, thinning and areal reduction of Arctic sea ice, reductions in permafrost and accelerated loss of mass from the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets. Second, the global sea level is rising. The rise is caused in part by water pouring in from melting glaciers and ice sheets, but also by thermal expansion as the oceans warm. Third, decades of biological data on blooming dates and the like suggest that spring is arriving earlier each year.

Denialists often maintain that these changes are just a symptom of natural climate variability. But when climate modellers test this assertion by running their simulations with greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide held fixed, the results bear little resemblance to the observed warming. The strong implication is that increased greenhouse-gas emissions have played an important part in recent warming, meaning that curbing the world's voracious appetite for carbon is essential (see pages 568 and 570).



"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I'm not denying climate change (0.00 / 0)
The climate changes all the time.

What I'm saying is that the two conditions must be satisfied for any scientific discovery.  The data has to be confirmable and the results reproducable.  Neither of these two conditions have been met.

If these conditions can't be met then all of science is to be called into question.  Because who will we believe?  The science community knows this.  They will keep the situation alive because their economic circumstances are at stake.

Conservative......CNN news:Nopenhagen: US PRES 2 WKS LATE ATTEND 1 DAY, GORE JOURNEY BY TRAIN.


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You're An Idiot! (4.00 / 1)
You vs. Nature. Who should people believe?

Your claim about what science is bears no resemblance at all to the realities of observational/field sciences as opposed to lab sciences.  Comfirmability, sure.  And, of course, global warming has confirmability out the yin-yang.  But how do you reproduce a field observation?  Simple. You don't.  You can't control all the variables, ergo you can't reproduce results.  That's why it devolves back to confirmability.  Similar and relatable observations.

But science is so much more than that, it's like you're talking in cartoon-speak.  Science involves theorizing as well as empirical investigation, and it involves mediating between the two.  It involves peer review.  It involves cross-field collaborations, and integration of knowledge between different levels of generality.

There are so many different fields of science that intersect with global warming research, it would make your head spin.  Just this past week, I interviewed a couple of geologists, for example.  Their work in turn depends in part on the physics of radioactive decay processes.  Everywhere you turn in the actual nitty-gritty of doing the science involved, you find connections to other fields of science.  The idea that tens of thousands of scientists around the world, whose professional peer networks involve hundreds of thousands of researchers and theorists are all in on some sort shoddy scheme--for what purpose, BTW? is frankly so ridiculous that it just makes you look like a fool.

Which, of course, you are.

Occam's Razor, baby.  It's a bitch.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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So which is it, science or politics? (0.00 / 0)
I've left this reference on this site a couple of times.  I won't measure up to nature, "Mike" of nature is quoted here in the article.http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/017/300ubchn.asp

Please read it.  You will simply find that the real victim is our belief in science itself.  These scientists cooked the books.  Their results are not repeatable and their numbers are not verifiable.  These are tenents on which we must believe.  These scientists got caught with their hands in the government cookie jar.  I have no doubt that all sorts of science intersect with each other.  Field observations can never be re-checked because obviously the field conditions can change.  That's all a red herring anyhow.  As you say, these guys were in on a shoddy scheme.  They used themselves as peers for peer review and guess what.  Even with "cooked data" they all came to the same conclusion.

Get the knot out of your shorts and read the article.

Conservative......CNN news:Nopenhagen: US PRES 2 WKS LATE ATTEND 1 DAY, GORE JOURNEY BY TRAIN.


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My brain hurts from all the stupid... (4.00 / 1)
"The Weekly Standard is an American neoconservative opinion magazine [...] It was founded by News Corporation..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...

Sure sounds more trustworthy than "Nature" to me.
(Mr. Money Man: That was sarcasm.)


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NO KIDDING! (0.00 / 0)
Me:
The idea that tens of thousands of scientists around the world, whose professional peer networks involve hundreds of thousands of researchers and theorists are all in on some sort shoddy scheme--for what purpose, BTW? is frankly so ridiculous that it just makes you look like a fool.

You:

As you say, these guys were in on a shoddy scheme.

Trond Ove:

My brain hurts from all the stupid...  


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I know it hurts. (0.00 / 0)
Like I said, get the knot out of your shorts.

You like citation for examples of thought basis, I picked one that shows the involved scientists at the climate research facilities were in a shoddy scheme.  Their work has been peer reviewed by none other than themselves and Larry, Curly and Moe.  They all agree on the findings made from falisfied data.  It's just that simple.  Now the brits are recalling all of the data used at the CRU of East Angela University.  

Since this is definitely not science where things are provable and repeatable, it must be the old emmotional political situation.  I chose the reference because it has as much validity as your choice of Nature.  My choice of reference even speaks of Nature magazine and references it.

BTW, the old number of 2500 scientists isn't true either.  Its a number made up by the WH and the amazing folks there.
It's currenty being reported the Obama is meeting with Gore.  I wonder whose cutting the deal with whom?  What do you think.  Obama could get real rich of one of these deals.

For those of you that use wiki for references will find almost anything there.  And the submissions are on the honor system.  Another Larry, Curly and Moe situation.  Believe it or not some of the submissions are untrue.  I reference the submissions about your friend Rush Limbaugh.  That were cited from Wiki about his relationships with blacks.  It was proven to be untrue.  

Conservative......CNN news:Nopenhagen: US PRES 2 WKS LATE ATTEND 1 DAY, GORE JOURNEY BY TRAIN.


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Yep (0.00 / 0)
Even the term "Conservative Activist" is an anachronism.  Sort of like "Military Intelligence."  Conservatives being past masters of staying the course.

In my past life I was a certified credit counselor.  We were involved with workshops on preditory lending and to some extent my old organization (NON-Profit) still holds them locally.  Several conventions on this subject were sponsored by LA Rasa, and larger national neighborhood organizations including ACORN.   In attendence I found the actual numbers of successful preditory lending prosecutions were very small.  Money granted to ACORN to help mortgagers make another payment was very little.  It rarely put off foreclosures.  Acorn took the largest portions its funds for "management."  Our housing unit didn't carry its weight, however our bankruptcy unit provided almost our entire cash flow.  

Prior to employment as a credit counselor, I worked for many years as a municipal employee.  One of my companions was a former fellow employee and now is the business agent for SEIU.  We were both employees and members of SEIU.  My friend outlined the interagreements between SEIU carrying the flag of Unionism and Acorn sponsorship.  In a local situation politically it means practically nil.  However with SEIU unionizing all state workers, they can politically control the legislature.  "Grassroots organizing" on a large scale.  Unions believe in paybacks.  Very often.  (Note, I have a withdrawal card from another union and still was a member of third union while working my way through the university)

Rachel Maddow?  I don't watch cable.  It's not available.  Some other blogs I visit quote her numbers which aren't impressive.  What are her credentials anyhow?

Van Jones?  He's probably history.  Obama will keep it that way.

Conservative......CNN news:Nopenhagen: US PRES 2 WKS LATE ATTEND 1 DAY, GORE JOURNEY BY TRAIN.


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Sorry, you won't see me standing up for ACORN (0.00 / 0)
Just because I think that the mission of ACORN is vital and must be accomplished, but there is no doubt in my mind that something is rotten at the core of ACORN, and this rottenness compromises the vital mission that ACORN was charged with.

They are damaged goods and I'm ready to let the bus run over them. Fuck ACORN. They fucked up big time. Now they need to get out of the picture so that a better organization can take their place.


FUCK YOU! What Have You Ever Done? (4.00 / 3)
Seriously?

Let me put it this way: is there anyone participating in this thread who hasn't worked for a company in their lifetime that's screwed up worse than ACORN?

Don't forget, ACORN isn't even accused of any form of official misconduct in all this.  Can't say that about any major military contractor in the US.

I guess you supported impeaching Bill Clinton, too, right?  He fucked up big time--much more than ACORN, since he was directly responsible.

But FUCK YOU particularly because you don't even appear to have any interest whatsoever in engaging with reality.  You are totally obsessed with appearance--i.e. ILLUSION.

FUCK YOU and your love of illusion.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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ACORN treated unfairly but not up to the job (0.00 / 0)
While I agree that ACORN was treated unfairly their behavior was less than stellar.

I have worked face to face with ACORN in Baltimore on numerous occasions and I found their tactics unprofessional, immature, and counter productive.

In terms of legality they walked a fine line. They would act out-practice something like civil disobedience and call it organizing and activism.

I won't say they didn't help people because I think they probably did but their professional staff were entitled and acted like victims.

I actually think a "new" organization with higher standards and accountability is what we need in Baltimore. The problems are huge and ACORN is not up to the job.


re: ACORN (4.00 / 1)
When asked what he thought accounted for the difference, Henderson-James specifically stepped out of his role as an ACORN employee. "This is a personal observation, not an organizational observation," he said, and then plunged ahead: "It really points out how the progressive movement is not a movement. It is a bunch of people who share a political vision for America, but do it from the feet of several independent organizations that do not have an infrastructure that allows them to communicate quickly with each other, and create ways so that they can function much more as if they were part of a unified movement."

true or more a product of the sold-out media not wanting the progressive message to come out?

maybe both?

ps. nice article paul, thanks


thanks! (0.00 / 0)
paul,

thank you very much for this. i decided to become regular contributing member to ACORN after reading it.

keep up the insightful work!

peace, matt







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