You Can't Beat Something With Nothing

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 10:35


[Note: I'm going to be out of commission most or all of today.  So I won't be responding at first.  I had hoped to prepare two diaries for today, but it's been that kind of week...]

In a diary Thursday, "Emanuel and Hoyer Blocking More Aggressive Dem Tactics on Ending War", Chris wrote:

The Politico points out the obvious:

  But it's a simple truth, whether you support the war or not: There is a lot more Democrats could do to change, or at least challenge, the politics of the war in Washington, even if they do not have the numbers to impose new policies on President Bush.

  House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) could force a vote a day over Iraq. She could keep the House in session all night, over weekends and through planned vacations.

  Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) could let filibusters run from now till Christmas rather than yield to pro-war Republicans.

  Such tactics might or might not be politically sensible, but in their absence, anti-war lawmakers can hardly say they have done everything possible to challenge the war and bring attention to their cause.

  Lawmakers over the past generation have threatened and sometimes carried out such extreme parliamentary maneuvers over less consequential matters than dying soldiers.

This is one of the reasons why the Demcoratic base is so frustrated. Republicans, for example, were willing to go nuclear in order to force their judicial nominees across. Democrats, by way of contrast, are not willing to go nuclear over ending the war. There is a widespread perception that Demcorats are giving up too easily, and not playing their entire hand.

Chris was understating things. The Democrats are not playing anything in their hand.  They're playing the Republican's hand!  Condemning MoveOn?  What next?  Declaring Bush "President for Life"?

But let's back up to that short-but-to-the-point list of things the Democrats could do.  Surely, this list comes as no surprise to anyone.  We're not talking solutions to differential equations here.  What they all have in common is something surprisingly simple.  One might even say, elementary:  They are about setting the agenda, even if you can't win right away.  And the mere fact that this seems to be utterly beyond the Democratic establishment tells all too much about the state of politics in America today.

It's not just about Iraq, of course.  It's about everything-everything from impeachment to Katrina to privatizing Social Security to the Minnesota bridge collapse.

Take Impeachment, for example....

Paul Rosenberg :: You Can't Beat Something With Nothing
Impeachment

What exactly was gained by taking impeachment off the table?

Clearing the decks to pass the Democratic agenda?

Democratic agenda? Are you kidding?

What was gained by taking impeachment off of the table was George Bush's legitimacy.  For four long years he had utterly flauted the rule of law.  He could do it because he had Congress bottled up.  Then the Democrats took over, and they said, "That's fine.  We're okay.  Bygones, bygones.  Whatever."

It was, in short, a validation, a stamp of approval for his near-dictatorial style of rule.  What good could possibly come of it?  Was there any piece of Democratic legislation that Bush was likely not to veto out of grattitude for not being investigated with eye toward impeachment?

No, of course not.  The man is a sociopath.  Gratitude is not in his vocabulary.

What would have made sense would be if, after being sworn in Nancy Pelosi said something like this:

"Look, we all know that Bush has been out of control.  He's done a lot of things that on their face look like impeachable offenses.  But our job is to fix, not to punish.  Punishing only makes sense if it will fix things.  So we're going to try to work constructively with Bush and with the Republicans in Congress.  We will do that for 90 days.  And if they block us for 90 days, if it's clear that they won't let us fix anything, then we will start looking into impeachment, because that will fix problems in the future, by making any future troublemaker like Bush think twice before he acts.

And remember, it's not necessay for us to remove Bush from office.  He's going to be gone in two years, anyway.  But we will stigmatize him simply by documenting what he has done and holding him publicly accountable.  And we will stigmatize anyonme who defends his record of trying to undermine the very heart of America's system of government, the system of checks and balances that protects us against tyranny.  We will force the Republican Party to start acting like a responsible political party again, or else the American people will force them out of existence.  It's just that simple."

Of course, Pelosi did nothing of the sort. And now all of us are paying the price.

But there's much more price to come.  We're talking collapse of the Roman Empire price.  Is it too late already?  Could be.  There's really no way to tell.  But we ought to keep that possibility in mind, so as not to just assume that everything is fine since it hasn't all gone quite to hell just yet.  Because that's the problem with the Versailles Democrats' mindset.  It assumes that things are basically okay, because, let's face it, for the Versailles Democrats things basically are okay.  I mean, hey, they have the good parking spaces again!  What more could anyone want?

Okay, okay.  Snark overload.  Time to turn on the wonk.

Wonk Prelude

My big picture point here is simple: you win by (a) picking your fights and (b) picking your terms.  You don't have win your fights by other people's terms, so long as you win them on your own--and those terms are reasonable.  Which is why guerilla armies almost never "win" battles-and far less often lose wars.  Democrats are still allowing others to dictate terms to them, and this is precisely why they're losing battle after battle after battle.

How should they redefine "winning"?  Well, every time you force Republicans to make an unpopular vote, you win.  Every time you force Republicans to split with one another, you win.  Every time you make Republicans look foolish, meanspirited, craven or corrupt, you win.  Every time you put Republicans on the defensive, you win.

Right now, our country is falling apart, quite literally.  It's over two years after Katrina, and the place is still a disaster area.  The Minnesota bridge collapse was just a tiny little reminder.  Things are falling apart.  And why shouldn't they?  We are no longer paying to fix things. We are paying extortionists not to finance smear campaigns attacking us.  And this is not really a very popular thing to do-for either the extortionists or the extorted.  So what would be a better idea?  How about a massive bridge-and other infrastructure-repair program... paid for by repealing all Bush tax cuts for people making more than $200,000 per year?

Couldn't win?  Bush would veto it?  Not enough Republican support?

Precisely!

I want to tell you a little story about what sort of spending different people support.  And of course I want to tell that story in numbers, from good old friend the General Social Survey

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The General Social Survey has asked a core set of questions about spending priorities since 1972, expanding that core set substantially in 1984, and adding a few more items since.  It has also asked a variety of other spending questions in different forms over the years, sometimes just once, sometimes more often.  For the sake of this analysis, I'm going to group them by families, most of whose members were asked in the same time-frame. What we're looking at is figures that tell us how much liberals and conservative differ from one another.  These figures are easily calculated.

Say 80 percent of liberals want to spend more on education, 5 percent want to spend less and 15 percent think spending is about right.  Say for conservatives the numbers are 60, 25 and 15.  The overall difference between them is (ABS(80-60)+ABS(5-25)+ABS(15-15))/2=20, where ABS(X) is the absolute value of X, and the sum is divided by two, since every time two people differ, they are counted twice.

Here's the first family of questions, most of which run from 1972, but a few of which are much more recent:

Family 1All
Purposes
  Welfare State
Spending
General
State
Spending
    Core     Periphery
NATFARE 19.419.4  
NATRACE 19.219.2  
NATENVIR 19.1 19.1 
NATARMS 19.0  19.0
NATCHLD 17.717.7  
NATCITY 15.915.9  
NATHEAL 15.815.8  
NATSCI 12.8  12.8
NATEDUC 12.512.5  
NATPARK 9.4 9.4 
NATSOC 8.68.6  
NATMASS 7.5 7.5 
NATAID 6.5  6.5
NATSPAC 4.9  4.9
NATDRUG 2.8  2.8
NATROAD 2.3  2.3
NATCRIME 2.0  2.0
AVERAGE11.515.612.07.2

What we see here is very interesting, I think.  I've already shown before that conservatives are strongly supportive of government social spending-but not as supportive as liberals are.  Here we see that the liberal-conservative gap in spending support is greatest for core welfare state items, such as spending on welfare, to improve the conditions of blacks, or even for education.  It decreases for the next category of peripheral welfare state items, spending that is not spent directly on people, but benefits the society as a whole, and does proportionately less for the affluent.  Finally, the gap is least for the category of spending that is entirely outside the welfare state concept, much of which tends to do more for those who have more.

This same pattern can be seen in the next family of questions, which were asked one time only in 1984, but had the same general form, although the specific wording differed:

Family 2All
Purposes
  Welfare State
Spending
General
State
Spending
    Core     Periphery
NATRACEZ 18.018.0  
NATCITYZ 14.414.4  
NATHEALZ 14.314.3  
NATFAREZ 13.213.2  
NATDRUGZ 12.9  12.9
NATPARKZ 9.8 9.8 
NATMASSZ 8.0 8.0 
NATENVIZ 7.9 7.9 
NATEDUCZ 7.67.6  
NATSPACZ 7.3  7.3
NATAIDZ 5.3  5.3
NATSOCZ 4.54.5  
NATCRIMZ 4.4  4.4
NATROADZ 3.3  3.3
AVERAGE9.412.08.66.7

There's a slight deviation for a third, similar family of questions, which were asked from 1984 onward:

Family 3All
Purposes
  Welfare State
Spending
General
State
Spending
    Core     Periphery
NATARMSY 22.0  22.0
NATFAREY 21.021.0  
NATRACEY 19.619.6  
NATENVIY 17.7 17.7 
NATCITYY 15.015.0  
NATHEALY 14.214.2  
NATEDUCY 12.012.0  
NATDRUGY 10.3  10.3
NATCRIMY 7.4  7.4
NATAIDY 6.3  6.3
NATSPACY 3.9  3.9
NATARMSZ 19.0  19.0
AVERAGE14.016.417.711.5

Here, the environment is the only spending question that falls into the middle category, and we've already seen that it can be an outlier, looking more like a welfare state core question, as it did in the first family.  There are no questions about parks or mass transit, which tend to produce smaller differences.

We see an even more different pattern with a fourth family of questions that was presented in a different form, but the number of questions was smaller, and again, the questions that would have produced smaller differences in the later two categories were not present:

Family 4All
Purposes
  Welfare State
Spending
General
State
Spending
    Core     Periphery
SPENVIRO21.4 21.4 
SPHLTH20.820.8  
SPARMS20.1  20.1
SPARTS18.4 18.4 
SPMENTL18.118.1  
SPSCHOOL15.615.6  
SPPOLICE9.7  9.7
SPUNEMP7.97.9  
SPRETIRE5.85.8  
AVERAGE15.313.619.914.9

Finally, a comletely different set of questions, which have to do with spending vs. cuts.  I count two of them in the general spending category because they target specific types of spending that fall into that category.  This shows a much greater difference between liberals and conservatives:

Family 5All
Purposes
  Welfare State
Spending
General
State
Spending
Spend
v. Cut
    Core     Periphery
TAXSPEND25.5   25.5
CUTDEBT21.9   21.9
CUTSPDR 19.7   19.7
DEFSPDR17.6  17.617.6
CUTSPDFG16.3   16.3
DEFSPDFG10.8  10.810.8
CUTGOVT10.1   10.1
AVERAGE17.4  14.217.4

If we aggregate all the questions from these five families together these are the averages we come up with:

SUMMARYAll
Purposes
  Welfare State
Spending
General
State
Spending
Spend
v. Cut
    Core     Periphery
Family 111.515.612.07.2 
Family 29.412.08.66.7 
Family 314.016.417.711.5 
Family 415.313.619.914.9 
Family 517.4  14.217.4
AVERAGE12.714.312.89.517.4

Thus, we find even larger differences on spending vs. cuts than we do on welfare state spending-and by a considerable margin.

Two questions: What's the point of all this, anyway, and how does it relate to impeachment or anything else I was talking about before?

The answer is simple:  These differences are all relatively small.  They're nothing close to 100%.  But by playing on them skillfully, conservatives have managed to maintain considerable support, even while going against what most people want-and they've managed to redirect discontent away from themselves.  In fact, ever since Ronald Reagan, conservatives have consistently managed to roll up enormous deficits, more than all the other Presidents combined, and then they've used those deficits to force cuts in popular programs.  They've been so successful, in fact, that this is what lead them to believe that they could do away with Social Security-and they almost got away with it.

A key to how they've done this is by controlling the political narrative.  Cutting government spending is popular.  Spending just for spending's sake is obviously foolish, so when people are given the choice, "cut or spend?" with no specific purpose given for spending, there is a natural bias towards cutting.  And this is precisely where movement conservative strength lies.  When they talk about cutting government, they rarely talk about specifics, with the notable exception of "welfare" which has extremely negative connotations.  And thus it is much easier to garner support for cuts, which end up affecting spending for which there is relatively strong support-and not just from liberals.

Consider two questions in the first family with almost identical differences-NATENVIR-spending on the environment, and NATARMS-spending on the military.  The latter is one of the few in which conservatives favor more spending than liberals.  And yet, while slightly more conservatives think we are spending too little on the military (29.4%) than think we are spending too much (29.4%), far more think we are spending too little on the environment (52.8%).  How does this accord with the normal stereotype of a conservative voter?  Answer: it doesn't.  It reflects the disconnect between that actual individual conservative voter and the dominant political narratives that purport to define such voters, as well as liberal and moderate voters.

This, then, is the dirty little secret of American politics:  movement conservatism doesn't just subvert the will of the Americn people as a whole.  It subverts the will of conservative voters as a whole.  And, of course, when bad things happen as a result-bridges collapse, we lose an entire city, or a war, whatever, there's always a way to pin it all on the "liberals," the "looney fringe" like MoveOn.

Yeah, that's the ticket.


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Is your average conservative voter voting based on economics? (0.00 / 0)
Isn't movement conservatism really a coalition of a small number of (obviously ) well-funded corporate élites and a much, much larger number of social issues voters for whom the Republican party's opposition to nondiscrimination against "the other" trumps all other issues.  I personally know a pretty good number of single issue abortion voters, for example. 

I just really think that 'conservatives' aren't a monolith by any means, but conventional coverage pretends like there's a natural constituency which heartily endorses all that Bush calls for.


Obviously There IS a Good Deal of Diversity (0.00 / 0)
But at least a third of self-identified conservatives really are economic conservatives.  They're just not anywhere near the lavel of fanaticism of the 1+ percent (of conservatves, 0.6% of all voters) who are true believers.

What's more "low taxes, limited government" is part of their elevator speech.  It's gotta be there for some reason, don'tcha think?

I'm certainly not arguing that it's the whole ball of wax, if that's the impression I gave I should have done more to explicitly disavow it.

But it's not chopped liver, either.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Rosenberg for Congress? (0.00 / 0)
1)  I'm glad to see you front-paging on the weekends, I hope you get added to the regular blogging team w/ chris, matt, and mike.  And as someone who's probably read every single post so far on OL, and comments on about 1 in 5 of them, hopefully that recommendation means something. 

2)  your fake-pelosi statement got me thinking, any chance you could still run for Congress in '08?  how about '10?  I'd love to see you as Conference Chair, setting political strategy (and therefore vicariously policy) for the house conference. 

What the blogosphere needs more than almost anything, is a leader in the House who pushes the common-sense ideas advocated on the wonk-blogs like this one, into the actual back-room where decisions get made. 

I'm serious about this.  It's not meant to be flattery or anything, it's just a pragmatic idea.  I'm sure the Blue Majority page could help you get going, and once you're in it wouldn't be hard to leverage the power of the netroots to push you forward to a leading behind-the-scenes position (much the way Rahm used his previous fund raising power to leverage himself up to the DCCC chair in only 3 terms). 

What C.D. do you live in? 

And if you won't run, can you think of any other prominent bloggers over the age of 30, who are good public speakers and who have good D.C. connections?  perhaps we could get one of them to run. 


I'm Flattered, But... (0.00 / 0)
I HATE asking people for money.  I really wouldn't make an ideal candidate or officeholder.  I have some of the necessary strengths, but not others.  And I live in a Dem district representated by the newest Dem in Congress--Laura Richardson, CA-37.

I would be much more valuable for the cause getting a book or two publsihed.

But you are right to ask.  We all need to step up our games, and that definitely will mean some of us running for Congress.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Ok. We need somebody though (0.00 / 0)
No offense, but you were just the first person to come to mind because it was your post that got me thinking. 

I'm sure I'm far and away not the first person to think this, but we really need Greenwald or someone like that to be in Congress shouting from the inside.  It's great when we back people like Burner or Franken or Lamont who "stand with us" but I have yet to see someone who really is and represents the beliefs of the netroots... or more specifically the wonky-side of the netroots that I like to think represents everybody else- I'm yet to see someone like that actually run for Congress. 

Anyway, I'm not sure who to start pestering to run, but you and Greenwald were my first two people I thought of. 


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Ron Shepston (4.00 / 1)
Ron Shepston is running as a netroots candidate (actually DailyKos) with a DKos campaign manager (the better known Major Danby.  It's CA-42 (now held by Gary Miller), a pretty Republican district where the best chance is the foul odor of scandal wafting from a crooked land deal involving Miller.  Not a well known blogger but a definite start.

I don't know the district he'd come from but Juan Melli of Blue Jersey would seem a good fit for this mission.  Well known political blogger with a more local than national bent.  Melli may be a bit young right now and I certainly haven't asked him.  I don't even know him.

Kos lives in Berkeley and when the seat opens up he'd have instant entry into a lot of wallets and a head start in terms of recognition.

If you are looking for policy wonk types, I am not sure who would best fit the bill or whaty the best framework for a candidate would be.  Jerome Armstrong might also make a pretty decent candidate.  He's worked in a lot of campaigns and is the founder/owner of MyDD.  I get the impression he's from Northern Virginia somewhere, a region really turning blue but with only one Democrat in the House (and a less than estimable one who the WaPO has at times failed to endorse).  Jerome is also to the left of Kos, I think.


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And It's Telling That Major Danby Has The Higher Online Profile (0.00 / 0)
Because it once again indicates that candidacy and officeholding draw on a different--though certainly overlapping--set of strengths than being an effective online voice.

Our greatest need, IMHO, is not so much to expand the power of the online community, but to dramatically increase its synergy with existing offline groups, be they international, national, statewide or local.  This will, of course, result in expanding online power, but in truly collaborative, rather than a "let me tell you how it's gonna be" sort of fashion.

This would mean more candidates like the ones we've supported in the past, rather than an explosion of candidates recognized directly as "our own," but with much stronger ties, commitment and sense of responsibility connecting us.

Both should increase, I would say.  But the plain fact is that there's already a considerable reservoir of progressive activists with decades of experience who are really ready to run for Congress, as opposed to a much smaller group with such experience who are prominent online.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Nothing personal, but (0.00 / 0)
Major Danby "appears" to me to be an apologist for Democrats.  Would you disagree?  If I have him wrongly tagged, I would like to know.  Personally, I can't stand the Democratic Party or the current crop of candidates.  I am so fed up, I'm considering a write in for Nader or Chavez.  All kidding aside, I'm likely to not vote.  Did you see Rahm on Bill Maher?  What an ass.  He kept mumbling talking points about funding the war so they could buy the troops the "best humvees" and support the troops.  The message "if you bring them home they won't need your stupid humvees, missed him.  If the black rapper guy wouldn't shut up, Maher might have been able to drive home the point.

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Why Not Vote For The GOP??? (0.00 / 0)
I mean, if it's so important to teach Democrats a lesson, that is by far the best way to do it.  But don't stop with voting for the GOP.  Sell your house and give them all your money.  That'll larn 'em!

All kidding aside, you don't seem to understand the most basic facts of the American political system.  We have two parties.  That's not a lot of choices.  But our laws pretty much dictate that system, and if we want to change it--which I think would be an excellent idea--we have to do it by changing the laws.

Until then, we have two choices.  Which means that a lot of people will make the same choice as us with whom we deeply disagree.  But if radical labor activists could join the same Democratic Party as vicious Southern racists in order to get us out of the Great Depression and give us the New Deal, then I think folks like you are on pretty weak ground from any sort of reality-based perspective.  After all, the creation of the American welfare state was a necessary pre-condition for having that welfare state help millions of blacks in their struggles to escape poverty and join the middle class.

This is reality:  the Democratic Party is site of political struggle.  If you walk away from it, you strengthen the other side.  It's just that simple.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I've heard it before. In 04, Dean had me convinced. (0.00 / 0)
In 08, I am having a hard time believing any of it.  Two parties?  Could have fooled me.  Why do you still believe?  Spread the hope.  Are you familiar with and what do you think of Sirota's less focus on federal level and more focus on grow the bench and force reform at the state level?

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I Agree 1000% With David Sirota (4.00 / 1)
Not just on this, but on almost everything he writes.

It scares me, frankly.  It's generally not a good thing when you find yourself agreeing with someone so much.

And, of couse, there's a HUGE difference between the two parties.  It's just that the right has done a superb job of pulling the entire spectrum about 800 years back to the right.  Forty years ago, the difference between the parties was about 30-40 years.  Now it's more like 500.  A MUCH bigger difference.

The only problem is, the Dems have moved backwards 300 years in the process.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Me, too on Sirota. (0.00 / 0)
Share the hope.  What is being done and/or getting accomplished IYO that a number of "you" feel good or optimistic about?  Is there any hope that we can take this country back?  Tell me something positive.

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I think I lost my way on that point (0.00 / 0)
I've had this conversation off-line with a lot of friends & activists.  I don't think I conveyed my meaning very well though in my last two comments. 

The crux of my point isn't a broad electoral strategy about who we should support, etc... it's a specific strategy goal of one election & 1 person. 

I believe that the netroots needs to have one of its own in Congress, someone who is already somewhat prominent, someone who came into politics (or at least broad political action, or at least political notariety) in a way related to the netroots directly... who is funded in a large part by the Blue Majority page... and who can be our voice, and our whip, in the House. 

There are over 200 Dems in the House, and the vast majority of them have never read a blog & are never exposed to any of the ideas on the blogs.  No matter how much we call them or email them or write about them or influence the writers they read... we will still be the outsiders. 

But if an insider, our "champion," as it were, was in the Democratic Leadership meetings, giving speeches at Conference meetings, handing out rapid response talking points... and that leader was closely tied to the blogosphere... we would have a go-to. 

Lamont kinda sorta fit this bill for the Senate. 

But I think we need someone who is a product of the netroots, not just a prop (no offense to lamont who I respect greatly). 

I don't know, I'm going to try to expand on this idea in a diary sometime soon... if I get some free time. 


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I Agree (0.00 / 0)
Although it's a bit much to expect one person to represent all the diversity of views found in the progressive blogosphere.  But one is definitely better than none.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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