The "make the Senate go first" theory

by: Adam Bink

Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 11:36


From The Hill this morning:

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has privately told her politically vulnerable Democratic members that they will not vote on controversial bills in 2010 unless the Senate acts first.

After a year of bruising legislative victories that some political analysts believe have done more to jeopardize her majority than to entrench it, Pelosi is shifting gears for the 2010 election.

The Speaker recently assured her freshman lawmakers and other vulnerable members of her caucus that a vote on immigration reform is not looming despite a renewed push from the White House and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. The House will not move on the issue until the upper chamber passes a bill, Pelosi told the members.

But according to Democrats who have spoken to Pelosi, the Speaker has expanded that promise beyond immigration, informing Democratic lawmakers that the Senate will have to move first on a host of controversial issues before she brings them to the House floor.

"The Speaker has told members in meetings that we've done our jobs," a Democratic leadership aide said. "And that next year the Senate's going to have to prove what it can accomplish before we go sticking our necks out any further."

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Pelosi's promise could dim the prospects for other White House priorities as well, including the Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA) - known as "card check" - and the repeal of the "don't ask, don't tell" prohibition on gays serving openly in the military.

"There's not going to be a ton of stuff legislatively next year either way," a House leadership aide said. "But on EFCA - even though the House has demonstrated its ability to pass it - and on Don't Ask, Don't Tell, the Senate is definitely going to have to act first."

If the report is accurate, that can spell trouble for plenty of issues. Don't Ask, Don't Tell is certainly one- the Senate companion bill to the Military Readiness Enhancement Act of 2009 (which may be rolled into the defense authorization bill) doesn't even have a Senate sponsor yet. I also feel this further jeopardizes ENDA, the House markup of which has already been postponed into next year.

As an organizing mechanism, it raises an interesting question. Perhaps the famous instance of the "make the Senate go first" theory comes as a result of the BTU tax episode, a 1993 energy tax whose chief proponent was then-VP Gore. The House voted first on it and the Senate never took it up, hanging lots of House members out to dry and helped defeat them in 1994 over that vote, or so the story goes.

I'm not sure it should always be so, though. I've watched in the ongoing New Jersey fight around the marriage equality bill how they don't have the votes in the State Senate after it passed committee, so they're buying time by making the Assembly pass it first, in part to do more lobbying, and in part in the hopes that the Senators will look at the Assembly vote and get some cojones. That option should always be available at the Congressional level.

Carl Hulse also reports that House Democrats are frustrated at the pace of business in the Senate. Never acting on critical bills like immigration, Don't Ask, Don't Tell, ENDA and others until the Senate does is a good recipe for never getting anything done and even more frustration, including from the "base". The Senate has and always will move at a pace just slower than molasses. While it's true the House can take up and pass bills much quicker, that doesn't always ring true, as we've seen in the drawn-out negotiations over health care and the recently-passed financial reform bills on the House side, both of which took months. The Senate could take a long time to pass a bill that, if it's complicated like immigration reform, could completely change the House approach, leading to a long process there. I'm not a fan of the House sitting idly by waiting for the Senate to send them important pieces of legislation. Plus, sometimes the House going first can influence what the Senate bill will look like, and with the House generally being more liberal, that can be advantageous. There needs to be a balance between legislative organizing and electoral protection.

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I was on a conference call (0.00 / 0)
with Luis Guiterez and Anthony Weiner yesterday about the immigration bill and they confirmed the Senate would act first on that.

Weiner said the Senate would act first "on most things from here on out" and alluded to healthcare being the reason why. "After our most recent experience" is what he said.

I don't think it's so terrible really, I think it's possible we would've gotten a better healthcare bill if we started with the Senate back in the summer. The House is easy, the Senate is hard, once we can get good bills out of the Senate, the rest is easy.  


Well, I somewhat fail to see why the order in which the bill passes... (0.00 / 0)
..is important. Why should Senate>House be a faster way than House>Senate? Senate is always the bottleneck!

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True (0.00 / 0)
but we had the numbers backing us back in the summer, now everyone is just exhausted with the issue, so if people had an influence over the Senate, they would've had much more earlier in the year than they do now.  

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Democratic Party of Corporate Welfare (0.00 / 0)
I just listened to Dean with Stephanopolous this morning. I am even skeptical that Dean is not simply serving as a theatrical outlet or siphon for Democratic frustrations.  He basically patted Durbin etc. on the back, and conceded the bill would pass in the Senate.  He outlined no strategy to oppose the bill or improve it at this stage.  I sincerely think that with the exception of a handful of progressives in the house, the democratic congress is actually relieved, and satisfied that they have political cover (Obama, Lieberman), for voting for this insurance handout.  I fear that Dean and other Dems that voice frustration but propose no concrete way forward, may not be sincere, and are just play-acting this cathartic drama for the progressives, in the hope that they will at least stay on board the democratic ship in the belief that there are a few decent souls on board, that might some day in 2050 enact some real progressive reform.

Hey ,check out c-span2 (0.00 / 0)
Sanders is making the clerk read his single payer amendment  -all 366 pages of it.  HA!

Go Bernie!

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What's that good for? (0.00 / 0)
Is this common procedure, or a special strategy by Sanders to accomplish, well, what? As far as we know he won't vote against cloture, so what's his point?

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Just being a pain in the ass ... (0.00 / 0)
What's that good for?

since Democrats in the Senate are likely to vote for the shit sandwich .. unless they pull the mandate out of the bill


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Thinking more about this, this may be a delaying tactic (0.00 / 0)
Reading alout all those pages, takes, what, four, fiv hours? Half a day. Half a day less for the Obama/Rahm gang to pass a bill this year, half a day more for progressives to organize opposition. If that's the explanation, good job, Senator Sanders!

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Sanders isn't doing it (4.00 / 2)
Coburn is forcing it to be read as a delay tactic.  

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Tom "Family guy" Coburn? What a nice guy... (0.00 / 0)
...that effing asshole. However, the delay may be helpful. If the bill can't be passed this year, the WH may start to think twice about reconcilation.

Yeah, I know, it's just a dream...


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I highly doubt (0.00 / 0)
a reconciliation bill would even get through committee now after how damaging this has been.

I think passing this then moving to push a public option or medicare expansion through reconciliation might be a better thing to do, once this bill passes, healthcare will stop being the top story and while everyone is focused on jobs, immigration, etc., Democrats can sneak the public option through.

Don't think they'll do it, but it's worth the suggestion.


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Why not? (4.00 / 1)
Anything the House does first is a complete waste of time; the Senate will just come in and ruin it. If I was in the House I'd do exactly the same thing. John Cole makes the perfect analogy.

You could be a member of the House for 30 years, work your ass off to get a bill passed, and then all your work gets stripped out by some jackass in the Senate. Remember in nursery school when you would finally get a neat tower built out of lincoln logs, and some jackass would walk along and knock it over the moment you turned around. It would be like that. Every single day.


Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!

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In the past, plenty of bills the House passes get taken up by the Senate and passed.

Further, I care less about House members wasting their time than I do the other important reasons I listed above. In some ways, the House exerts pressure on the Senate, and that's important.


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Not good enough. Codify it! (0.00 / 0)
I demand a constitutional amendment to codify that the House is not a co-equal chamber but just a ratifying body of the Legislature.

Nothing short of full and complete humiliation will satisfy me.

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