what a fraud this guy is (4.00 / 2)

that clarification is indeed fascinating...

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by: The Big Hurt @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 05:51:37 AM UTC

What. An. Asshole. (0.00 / 0)

"Dr." Warren may (or may not, am leaning heavily towards 'may not') be qualified to opine about the bible, but this armchair Constitutional fanatic would like to point "Dr." Warren's large ass toward the following passages of U.S. Scripture:

Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed."

U.S. Constitution:

Preamble:
"We the PEOPLE of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ... promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Article I, Section 10:

[Clause 1]: No State shall ... pass any ... Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts.

Article IV, Section 1:

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved [ed. note: proved, not eviscerated; Hi, DOMA!], and the Effect thereof.

Article IV, Section 2: Clause 1: The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

Article IV, Section 4: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government (Hi!, California and Maine! Thanks very much for making us an un-Republican form of Government!)

Article VI: Clause 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof ... shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Article V: ... Amendments ... shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified

Amendment IX: The enumeration in the Constituion, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Amendment XIV: Section 1: ... No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 5: The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

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I'm pretty sure I haven't cherry-picked, so, go ahead, "Dr." Warren, and make your case against my civil right to marry whomever I goddamn well please.  

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by: Ron @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 06:34:38 AM UTC

Ok, that's a smoking gun. (0.00 / 0)

Much better than your last story on Warren, Natasha. And here's hoping you're not pissed about me because of my rcent criticism. Peace?

But, still, proving Warren lied is good, and his stance that homosexuality is not a human right is outrageous, but I'm still suspecting there's an even bigger story around the corner. Some decades ago, investigative reporters would have put their teeth into this, torn away the camouflage at the surface, and exposed the ugly reality of Warren's involvement in the Uganda scandal, dates, facts, offenders, and connections. Nowadays, investigative journalism has become a scarce good. We can only hope that somehow more information about this crime angainst mankind will see the light of the day. That horrible hatemongerer shouldn't get out of this with only some small bruises!

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by: Gray @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 10:45:14 AM UTC

You wanted evidence, it was fair enough (4.00 / 2)

I'd read about this specific issue when I wrote that other post, but didn't have time to track it down. Last night I sat down to write, theoretically to write up another of the interviews I've gathered, but no dice. This was all I had the juice left over for and I'd been meaning to do it for a couple days.

But yes, imo, a direct line needs to be drawn between people in positions of authority calling for intolerance and people who listen to them taking violent action. I mean, when you say 'no tolerance', wtf were you expecting? A session of hand-holding and kumbaya rounds?

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by: Natasha Chart @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 16:47:42 PM UTC

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can't wait to hear about climate talks (0.00 / 0)

its Lee...in Wyndmoor.

I've read the purpose driven life. Appears that I am a minority among my progressive friends. I have a spiritual life too.

far as Warren goes, he's just a fundie homophobe packaged a little differently..

Chris gets mentioned below...
http://tinyurl.com/ygrna7u

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by: LeeN @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 13:20:14 PM UTC

WHERE is Chris mentioned in this? (0.00 / 0)

Searched your lengthy story for "Chris", "Bowers", "Open" and came up empty. Is this con art to drive traffic to your blog? Or do you wanna say the guy with the gun and the box of trix in that picture depicts Chris?
:-/

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by: Gray @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 13:27:05 PM UTC

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here's the reference to Chris (0.00 / 0)

Most Senators are people who love attention, need attention, and who aren't good at writing or passing legislation. They're a flock of strutting popinjays whose careers are based on talking a good game. They're just doing what they know. They get attention by being contrary, by whining eloquently, and their incessant blathering seems to have unhinged a lot of usually reliable online people. I think the gruesome spectacle in the Senate has left some people frazzled unnecessarily. For instance, I wish someone would look in on Chris Bowers and see if everything is okay. I gather that some group of moral enforcers is giving the guy a lot of shit. Get off his case, already! From what I can tell, he does what I expect myself to do, but seldom achieve: keep working away, never stopping, not giving up.

http://tinyurl.com/ygrna7u

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by: LeeN @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 15:02:52 PM UTC

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and for the record (0.00 / 0)

Now I understand what the writer meant about moral enforcers here given one frigging comment about my spiritual life.  

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by: LeeN @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 15:08:49 PM UTC

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Hmm, imho calling it a "frigging comment" goes a bit too far. (0.00 / 0)

See, imho most of us don't wanna know in such graphic detail what a commenter is doing while posting his stuff here! So, 10 points for honesty, but -20 for bad taste.

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by: Gray @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 15:23:42 PM UTC

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Ah, thx! And, it was my mistake, sry. (0.00 / 0)

Somehow the search option on my Firefox was set to discriminate between large and small letters. And so, searching for "chris" produced nothing. Damn! Again, sry.

However, you should consider using dirct links here, not tiny urls. Firstly, shorter links are unnecessary here. And then, this only looks as if you want to hide the real target of the hyperlink. Actually, this made me suspicious of that link. Yeah, I know, I'm a bit paranoid...

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by: Gray @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 15:11:04 PM UTC

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6th paragraph (0.00 / 0)

of the Bismarck really didn't day that story that is really about health care.

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by: David Kowalski @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 15:48:27 PM UTC

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Yeah, thx, after correcting my Firefox settings... (0.00 / 0)

...I found it, too.

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by: Gray @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 15:53:09 PM UTC

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Bah! (4.00 / 3)

If you're saying most progressives don't have a spiritual life, you need to get over yourself!  Everybody has a spiritual life, whatever it looks like to you.

If what you mean is that you really like organized religion, it's okay to say so, but it doesn't make you better than someone else.  I do too; I go to church every week, went to an evangelical college, and was a delegate the last two years to my state diocesan convention.

With fundie homophobes like Warren getting the most attention, it's important for members of the Christian Left like us to be allies of our fellow progressives, not judgmental.


Tim Wolfe

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by: bruorton @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 13:54:32 PM UTC

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This is my point, better-stated. Thanks. Refresh is my friend! n/t (0.00 / 0)

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by: sb @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 13:57:41 PM UTC

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what an ignorant comment (0.00 / 0)

you don't know me or what I believe in or whether or I am even religious.

My point was that in my own life, my political friends don't even want to hear about my spiritual life. OR that someone like Rick Warren might even if something useful to say even if I think he's homophobic

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by: LeeN @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 15:06:02 PM UTC

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Since people here don't know you,... (0.00 / 0)

...at least not really (I remember having seen your blog before), maybe you should have taken more care to make your point more clear? Just an idea...

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by: Gray @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 15:13:20 PM UTC

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I have no blog (0.00 / 0)

and don't understand why that should matter.Yes you're probably right I could have taken some more time to explain my spiritual and or political life. But you were really judgemental and unwelcoming of someone who was new here.

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by: LeeN @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 15:21:01 PM UTC

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I already explained my mistake, and the reason for my suspicion. (0.00 / 0)

Why not read that comment first, hmm?

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by: Gray @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 15:26:08 PM UTC

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Why should they? (0.00 / 0)

If your spiritual life is half as vapid and irritating as what you displayed with one comment, why should anyone be interested in it?

Montani semper liberi

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by: Sadie Baker @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 16:14:07 PM UTC

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I wouldn't assume that other progressives don't have a "spiritual life" as (4.00 / 2)

well, although it's probably not a term I would use myself. I certainly, certainly wouldn't draw a straight line between having a spiritual life and reading "The Purpose Driven Life."

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by: sb @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 13:56:15 PM UTC

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Uh, slow comment day today, nice to see some other folks are here... (0.00 / 0)

Oops, I have to write something on topic, sure. Ok, spiritual life...well, everyone ought to have one. And one of the very spiritual events every year is Christmas. Well, it looks like we may have whit Christmas this yeear in Germany, it's snowing right now. How is the weather at your place, sb?

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by: Gray @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 14:04:34 PM UTC

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Snowing here in NC, too! Surely that has a spiritual dimension. n/t (4.00 / 1)

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by: sb @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 17:43:20 PM UTC

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A minority among progressives (4.00 / 1)

because you have a spiritual life?

That's one of the most arrogant, and stupid, things I've read in a long time. And I've read a lot of arrogant stupid things.

Montani semper liberi

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by: Sadie Baker @ Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 16:08:42 PM UTC

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