Why the right denies anthropogenic climate change

by: Daniel De Groot

Tue Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30


Digby, Amanda Marcotte and Krugman traded thoughts recently on what exactly it is about climate science that so sets off the right in opposition.

It's an important question.  The right, while opposed to environmentalism in most regards, could in past at least see what side of the bread is buttered.  The Montreal Protocol to protect the ozone layer, after all, was negotiated and ratified in the era of Reagan, Thatcher and even in Canada, Mulroney.  Thatcher herself was an early believer in the need for concerted action to address Climate Change.  Why (aside from her education in chemistry) is she basically alone on this?  I like Krugman's answer the best of the three, but even so I think he comes up short, particularly on the anti-intellectualism angle.

What's really happening is that anthropogenic climate change is a fundamental assault on right wing ideology and the solution requires a worldwide implementation of liberal policies that will undercut right wing ideas at every level well into the future.  Right wingers maybe do not grasp this fear consciously, but intuitively everything about this issue stinks for them.  Denial is the only way to save their worldview.

Daniel De Groot :: Why the right denies anthropogenic climate change
Some of them do grasp it intellectually as this comment to Krugman's post by "libertarian" shows:


Climate change gives people a reason to implement left-wing policies. Leftists have always wanted to fight against corporations, capitalism and consumerism. Leftists have always wanted to take stuff away from the rich. Now they have an objective, scientific reason to do so, not merely an ideological one. Of course pro-market people like me are angry. I'm pretty sure that this is how politically correct liberals feel like when people talk about IQ studies.

But we just have to ignore our feelings and accept the cold, hard facts. Climate change is happening, it is anthropogenic and it will have serious consequences if we do nothing about it. Yes, left-wing, anti-market, anti-rich policies would be bad and immoral IF there was no climate change. But the fact is that climate change IS happening, so the usual moral and economic pro-market arguments don't apply anymore. I believe that many other environmental problems can be solved by free markets, but not this one.

One might hope that libertarians, as the "rational" right wingers would be more like this person but from what I find, this just is not the case.  The libertarian and Objectivist right is steeped in denial too.   So it isn't just conservatives; Thatcher and "libertarian" are lonely voices on the right.  This is why we can't just pin this on conservativism here.  It's all the unrestrained capitalists.

Nature's Normandy on the Beaches of Free-Capitalism

The very existence of a limit to the amount of CO2 and other greenhouse gases we can pump into the atmosphere is nature itself upending a core tenet of capitalism, which implicitly assumes limitless natural resources are available.  

Human behaviour causing climate change makes this a no longer valid assumption in economics.  Nature does run out of stuff, and does run out of room to put junk like emissions.  Liberals have spent decades warning that we would run out of oil, or room for trash, or copper, or fissile uranium and conservatives have constantly denied all this, content to assume that "technology" would find new sources of all the inputs that unrestrained voracious capitalism needs.  

Now, we are finally hitting a very hard wall and no simple technical fix has magically appeared.  It's still just so much cheaper to burn all the free energy the Carboniferous era left lying around, even with a massive ball of stable free fusion burning continuously 150 million kilometres away.  The economics clearly favours burning fossil fuels...unless you price in the carbon externalities.  But you only do that if you accept the existence of those externalities on a global scale, and that's a big leap for capitalism.

 We're actually in a closed system running an economic model designed for an open one.  That requires a different kind of economics.

Capitalism Can't Solve It

The solution to the climate crisis requires increased world governance (though not a "world government" proper).  Voluntary action by individuals is not nearly enough, and even individual nations taking internally collective action will fail.  Taxes on carbon, or a government imposed "cap", or regulation on industry is needed.  Lots of major international coordination to curtail freeloading and even wealth transfers from rich to poor so that poor countries can curtail emissions too.  Sure, cap and trade takes advantage of markets, but overall, the solutions are by and large liberal ones, that would leave the world a fundamentally unconservative place.  There will be spillover into other topics, trade, labour standards, economic justice.  Once governments around the world agree to coordinate regulation of carbon, they will find it easier to coordinate regulation of other things.  The infrastructure will be there.  It's easier to add a few staff and enlarge the mandate of a particular bureaucracy than to build it from scratch.  

One way or another, climate change is the demise of the right wing economic worldview.  The only question is whether liberalism "wins" (by solving the problem) or gets dragged into calamity by the deniers blocking needed action.

That's why they fight this so hard.  It proves everything they believe is wrong.


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Exxon and more (4.00 / 2)
The single biggest force behind the denial of global warming is the wealth of the oil companies.  Exxon Mobil made $45 billion in 2008 and $40 billion in 2007.  Shutting down the party or even modifying it in a significant way really can put a crimp on Wall Street and some of the super rich.

Second, in a time when the economy is much worse than the Establishment admits, many people want things as cheap as possible.  Cheap gas.  Cheap old gas guzzling clunkers.  Cheap home heating.  Paying more when people are on the edge does not seem like a reasonable option to the denialists.

Third, the US has increasingly been living and acting like there is no tomorrow.  We want government services and wars and pretend that in some way we don't have to pay for them.  Maybe the Laffer Curve will magically produce the revenue.  Maybe the future will be better.  Maybe cheap Chinese made products will get us through.

Fourth, there is a religious dimension to this.  If God made a world without enough cheap oil, maybe it is imperfect.  What does that say about God?  Maybe there is just enough cheap stuff to last until the Rapture?  Then the "sinners" will have to pay during the tribulation while the Republicans rise up to heaven. Perfect creation, perfect God, perfect little Republicans.

Fifth, people love fairy tales.  There is unlimited oil in Alaska.  There's not.  The corporations are hiding magic cars that get 150 miles to the gallon.  Blame the Arabs.  Or the Jews.  Or some secret conspiracy.  A magic wand is all we need.


This is exactly what I've been saying for years! (4.00 / 1)
From the libertarian, corporatist right-wing position, global warming is a total NIGHTMARE! It requires "big-government" internationalist solutions, including taxes on business, international regulation, and government intervention in the economy.

THey view it as a "socialist-internationalist's wet-dream" and thus can't help being "suspicious" that at bottom it's all a conspiracy by "left-wing intellectual scientists" to undermine their entire world view.

Conversely, if we approach this right, then all their fears WILL come true! We'll have an opportunity to create a sustainable and economically sound, as well as ecologically sustainable world economy -- one that focuses on the long-term well being of the planet instead of rapacious grabbing by those with the wealth and power to grab more and more!


You're Too Logical (4.00 / 1)
All the above would be true if conservatives really understood it, but they do not.  Most importantly, the "instinctively feel" version, which you present, doesn't really improve the argument.  It only creates our own "just so" story.  (Or a "rational reconstruction" of irrational attitudes, if you will.)

I think the answer is much simpler: conservatives deny global warming because (a) liberals talk about it and (b) conservative blowhards have been demonizing liberals for talking about it for about 20 years now.  In short, global warming denial has become an integral part of conservative identity politics.  As I described in the part of series of diaries at MyDD in early 2006:

Here's my thesis: Conservatism is a form (indeed the original form) of identity politics.  It is expressed through multiple forms of political ideology based on justifying elite rule and the division of the human race into dualized classes (ideal and counter-ideal) in terms of some "natural" moral order.  

Conservatism appears in various forms as the rationalizations and dualized classes shift over time, and in three distinct states of realization, reflecting different levels of development of the self.  The overt rationalizations commonly mistaken for conservative ideology are, in fact, derivative phenomena--tertiary at best.  The primary phenomena is the creation of a conservative identity, the subject of conservative political narratives.  The secondary phenomena is the supporting ideology of superior and inferior groups, casting conservative identity as something to be preserved, promoted, and defended against the forces of evil, embodied in its demonized others.  The primary and secondary phenomena are relatively constant over time, while the tertiary phenomena vary considerably.

Global warming is simply seen as something that gives the demonized others--and their champions, the bleeding-heart liberals--a leg up, and that's all that really matters to them.  That alone makes global warming denialism a necessary component of conservative identity.  Of course, the same was once true of blatant racism, so I think that despite the complex of forces you point to, conservatism could well rearticulate itself to drop global warming denialism.  They will then claim that it was liberals who caused all the delay in doing anything about it.  As always, they will make up for in revisionist history what they lack in science.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Ah, but... (0.00 / 0)
Conservatives were willing to address the Ozone hole.  Why was that different?  

I agree with you that the rank and file don't get all this, but at the leadership level, they do.  They could deal with CFCs because they were a marginal issue in the grand scheme of capitalism, AGW cuts to the heart though.  They can't compromise on this one.  I think their backs are to the wall.

If we do manage to pull off a working global solution to this, conservativism will of course limp on in whatever form, but they'll be permanently wounded, bereft of all their magical capitalism arguments.  Maybe someday they'll find new ones, I'm not predicting an "end of history" here, but a good long pause.


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True, Perhaps (0.00 / 0)
American conservatism is hardly the only sort, though.  Historically, most conservatism is pro-government rather than anti-government.  So reinventing it might not be as difficult as you imagine.

As for the conservative leadership, I think it was enough that the energy establishment was against it.  They may have grasped all the implications you sketch out, but even so it was probably very little more sophisticated than "liberals want to steal our stuff!"  They really don't think systemically as a general rule.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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"They really don't think systemically as a general rule." (4.00 / 1)
Which is really the heart of the matter. Rejecting systemic conceptions of problems goes along with the basic belief in the primacy of the individual, because problems are not solvable by the individual alone, and the worship of authoritarianism, because systemic problems can only be solved interdependently. The reason that conservatives like Reagan and Thatcher were able to deal with the ozone hole, but are incapable of dealing with AGW, is because the ozone hole could be addressed more unilaterally by the great white club of wealthy nations. They really didn't have to deal with Asia and Africa. Addressing AGW requires wealthy nations to work systemically with a broader and more diverse group of nations. Which threatens individualist-, authoritarian-centric thinking with what anthropologists call "the shock of the other."

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capitalism can easily deal (0.00 / 0)
there are some capitalists who stand to lose out and want to hang on to their current position.

but a worldwide set of monopoly licenses for carbon output? gosh, how will anybody make any money off that. i can't imagine.

when the people writing the regulations are by and large the same people being regulated, i have no doubt that they will be able to work things out quite comfortably for everyone involved. at some point the declining fortunes and personal fears of the groups dependent on unlimited fossil burning will sink below the increasing fortunes and personal fears (for their coastal residences) of the groups that can do without unlimited fossil burning.

i think the open question is, how extensive and long-lasting will the damage be that gets caused by the delay? will we luck out, with "only" many many dead humans and species? or will there be a really serious oops, like ocean food chain death? it certainly won't be by design, whatever happens. planning for the future, not a strong suit.

not everything worth doing is profitable. not everything profitable is worth doing.


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I Find Liberals And Conservatives Both Ignoring Climate Change In Their Own Ways (0.00 / 0)
It kind of amazes me that my progressive, climate-change conscious friends aren't letting global warming stop them from having the standard two child family. Climate change only seems to be real to a lot of liberals insofar as it's an interesting conversation topic. Don't get me wrong, I'm not sure I want people to stop having children because the future appears so bleak. A world that loses hope for its children, is a world I'd rather turn away from. Nevertheless, reality is reality and it doesn't appear that most of us, conservative or progressive, want to really face up to the enormity of the task we're facing. I think the main reason people ignore what is happening to earth is because it's largely hidden from us. Watch chapter 9 from 28:00 and on at the following link.

http://fora.tv/2009/08/18/A_RE...    


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I have to protest (4.00 / 2)
This sort of false equivalence.  Liberals have 2 children is the same as conservative climate change denial?

No, these aren't remotely the same thing.  

I'm really leery of going the direction of even telling people they should voluntarily have less children.  And no one is really talking about making China's 1-child policy global, so considering no one is really asking anyone to have fewer kids, I can't really fault liberals who have 2.  

2 kids per couple is actually below the replacement rate anyway, when you factor in kids who don't survive to adulthood, or don't themselves have children etc.  


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I Never Claimed An Equivalence (0.00 / 0)
I find the notion that liberals are somehow immune from denial a bit absurd. As far as replacement rates are concerned, I only brought up children because I think the likely future for a child being born today or five years from today is not exactly a bright and happy one. Maybe I'm just taking it all too seriously and should think positively, though.

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ok (4.00 / 1)
But what you brought up is not "denial."  Nor did I say liberals were immune.  I'm sure some minority of liberals do deny AGW but they're hardly significant nor particularly vocal.

As with so many things, I would rather focus on the conservative bonfire than the liberal candle.

Below, Paul gets at the traps liberals are more apt to fall into:  despair and confusion.  


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Don't Forget The Aristocrats (0.00 / 0)
As with so many things, I would rather focus on the conservative bonfire than the liberal candle.

Good point. I think it's also important to consider the issue from the standpoint of class. Global warming allows us to get a glimpse of just how competent and reality-based our economic elite are. The richest 2%, the people with the most direct control of our political system, don't appear to take the prospect of global warming seriously. I can't figure out what principles motivate the typical aristocrat's actions. I've been blessed not to have been born into a life of unimaginable privilege, but cursed with a lack of understanding for the people who have. Anyway, if the global warming consensus of the world's aristocrats were the same as the global warming consensus of the world's scientists, then global warming would have seriously been dealt with back in the 80's.    


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The Aristocratic consensus on global warming (0.00 / 0)
is also one of the reasons why so many people deny AGW. If corporations and the captains of industry are ignoring climate change, then there must not be anything to it. Therefore, it's all just a left-wing hoax to take away my SUV.  

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Yes (4.00 / 2)
That is a problem.  I think the 2% just think they can grab enough loot that they'll just ride out the maelstrom from their gated communities.    

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The question is . . . (0.00 / 0)
Is it worth it to try and focus on the 2%ers and convince them to that it's in their interest to save the planet? Perhaps we can flatter with blue ribbons, put their names on buildings, create holidays for them, and give lifetime achievement awards to get them to cooperate because at this point I don't know if our focus should be on the conservative political base as much as it should be on the ruling elite.  

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This Is Actually A Form of Anti-Global Warming Propaganda (4.00 / 1)
Whether you realize it or not.  But the people behind this propaganda are fairly sophisticated.  Just as their first line of defense was denial that aimed at generating factual uncertainty and confusion--and thus creating policy paralysis--a secondary line of defense is that everyone is responsible--as opposed to specific actors being vastly disproportionately responsible--an argument aimed at generating moral uncertainty and confusion and thus creating psychic paralysis.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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If It Is Propaganda, It Wasn't Intentional (0.00 / 0)
I just find it a bit narcissistic to dump all the blame on the wingnuts.  

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Well, That's What They're Counting On (4.00 / 1)
They've spent countless millions on this sort of propaganda over the years & they can afford to pay for the very best.  This sort of meme is designed to play on liberal's sense of fair play.  The ultimate in cynicism.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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re: climate change (4.00 / 1)
I'm a bit confused with your post

in the beginning you say 'I find it amazing that progressives aren't letting global warming stop them from having two child families'

then you say 'I'm not sure I want them to stop'

then you say 'but reality is reality and we gotta face up the task'

can you explain what do you think, what do you want, and what do you propose?


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Clarification (0.00 / 0)
Sorry for the confusion. I didn't really make my point directly and kind of implied it. I'm going to try again.

I take it as a given that it is highly probable that our children will have to live with the reality of at least a 2 degree C temperature rise by the end of the century. That highly probable chance of a life in a +2 degree C world is enough of a nightmare, as far as I understand it, for me personally to forgo having children. I'd simply worry about my children and their future too much. So I'm puzzled why other people ignore the probability of a nightmarish future for their children and decide to have families anyway. Common sense tells me that bringing kids into the world probably isn't a good idea. However, when I think about what present day life would be like if most people suddenly decided not to have children, I find that kind of existence kind of unsettling, too. If people stop hoping that their children will have meaningful, promising lives in the future, then what kind of present would we be living in.

I admit these thoughts are gloomy, but I'm trying to approach the prospect of the extinction of human beings with open eyes. What happens if our extinction in the near future becomes certain? What will be meaningful if our or our children's extinction becomes certain? Should we ignore that fact and pretend it isn't relevant? Should we stop having children? Should we spend rather than save? I don't know, but I think it's worth considering.    


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re: Clarification (4.00 / 1)
thanks for that, now I get what you say: you're intrigued that progressives continue to have kids while saying climate change is a problem

I guess they think the problem shouldn't be solved, or can't be solved, by stop having children but by doing what daniel referenced in his post:

The solution to the climate crisis requires increased world governance (though not a "world government" proper).  Voluntary action by individuals is not nearly enough, and even individual nations taking internally collective action will fail.  Taxes on carbon, or a government imposed "cap", or regulation on industry is needed.  Lots of major international coordination to curtail freeloading and even wealth transfers from rich to poor so that poor countries can curtail emissions too.


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The greatest danger of AGW and its discontents (0.00 / 0)
is that the right wing will, in fact, appropriate it as the rationale--saving the WORLD!-- for a recrudescence of global, fascist authoritarianism...

I wish I could disagree (0.00 / 0)


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     ...but its right."


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Uh, No.. (0.00 / 0)
Denial is the only way to save their worldview.

First things first.. for something to be 'denied' it has to be established as fact first. AGW hasn't been. It's opinion. You know, like the very real scientific consensus (once) that the world was flat.. that kind of opinion. The right's worldview isn't the least bit challenged by AGW hysteria. I'd argue, in fact, that it's strengthened by it because it provides such a perfect illustration of how truly dangerous the lust of the environmental left can be and how consequently necessary it is to check it, and check it hard. Thus the devastation (as seen in the shadow puppetry that was Copenhagen) that was delivered via the hacked East Anglia communications.. Thus the consistently falling polling on how many Americans are actually buying the AGW story any more.. And thus the rapidly diminishing prospects of any carbon tax schemes seeing the light of day any time soon in D.C. Rationality wins (or is starting to win, anyway). Economic calamity is (likely) averted. That's why they fight this so hard.

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If I and my "environmental left" peers are right about AGW, what would your sentiments here be but denial?  

Your point might be valid, if you were right about the science, but that's a rather big "if" considering the dearth of peer reviewed science supporting your viewpoint, or a plausible theory for why the world is observably warming if humans aren't causing it.  All the denialist pet theories about the sun, and cosmic rays, volcanoes, have all been investigated and are dead ends.  So now many have turned to simply denying that the earth is warming.  Will you spin me a story about 1998 next, and abuse statistics by confusing local maxima with trends?

You seem to prefer to believe that the Environmental Movement, who are generally unable to stop old growth logging projects or prevent fish species being fished to extinction are suddenly able to orchestrate a worldwide scientific fraud of epic proportions and use that as an excuse to remake the economy.  Do you really think so highly of tree hugging, dope smoking, sandal wearing hippies?  


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Supporting One Lie With Another (4.00 / 5)
First things first.. for something to be 'denied' it has to be established as fact first. AGW hasn't been. It's opinion. You know, like the very real scientific consensus (once) that the world was flat..

Utter bullshit.  First off, the current nature of "scientific consensus" is far more rigorous than in past, before the process of peer review had been developed.  This sort of false equivalence is endemic in the arguments of global warming deniers.

More importantly, though, the scientific community has known that the world is roughly spherical since around the time of Aristotle. Eratosthenes (276-195 BCE) was the best-known example among the Greeks who calculated the Earth's circumference fairly accurately.  Similar approaches were used by pre-modern Islamic and Indian scientists as well. Wikipedia has more.

Thus, rather than showing how foolish scientists can be, MinnRick has only succeded in showing how foolish he can be.  And not only foolish, but ignorant as sin.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Please demonstrate, with links to appropriate peer-reviewed literature sources (0.00 / 0)
where the evidence against global climate change has been published?

The East Anglia e-mails paint those scientists in a very bad light - no excuse for that - however, that case involves only a fraction of the information that has been put forward to support global climate change. Even if one were to disregard that particular information, it would not alter the scientific consensus.

Phil Jones has resigned from his leadership position, and I hope his research program is seriously reviewed. His attitudes about restricting access to the data his lab has collected is completely inconsistent with the scientific process. He must be held accountable for his actions. That said, the fact remains that Jones is but one player in the overall case for global climate change. In no way do his self-serving actions equate to a complete renounciation of the totality of evidence on the issue.

So, please, if you want to try and disprove the concept of global climate change, feel free to cite some research articles on the subject and then we can have a rational discussion. If your interest in the literature only extends as far as Phil Jones and his bunch, you are missing most of the story.

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     ...but its right."


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This is as bad as Jones gets (0.00 / 0)
We have 25 or so years invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it.

Does he even understand how the scientific process works? It is the job of his colleagues to see if they can "find something wrong" with his data and/or interpretation. Moreover, he was funded from public sources, so the data is not his to control - it belongs to those that funded his research.

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