Light bulb time: 'The NRA is a money laundering operation for arms dealers'

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 10:30


A couple of weeks ago, Sadie Baker made the following comment in a diary by Chris:

The NRA is a money laundering operation for arms dealers. They pay Congress to keep gun laws loose so they can sell guns to criminals, and then sell guns to people who are afraid of criminals. It is a bottomless pit of money. Our side has never had, and never will have, a similar source of revenue.

"Not a new thought, but a far too-uncommon one--and SO well expressed," I wrote to her, and asked her to elaborate about how came to see this so clearly.  In response, she wrote:

The way I figured this out is because of the gunshow loophole. And I became aware of the gunshow loophole when I had a friend going through a divorce. Her soon-to-be-ex-husband was a convicted felon who always had as many guns as he wanted, and it was a scary time. From my friend I learned that her husband bought guns at gunshows, and from individuals (one of them a marshal!) and sometimes from ads in the paper or on ebay. I realized that rhetoric to the contrary, there are no gun laws worth speaking of in this country.

Everything else comes from stuff I read, and of course now I can't lay my hands on exactly what I read when or where. But to summarize:

Gun manufacturers do market research the same as every other manufacturer in the world. They know that the legitimate market for their product in the US is x, yet they consistently produce something like 3x, why?

The store that sold the DC sniper his guns had been under investigation for years because the owner kept "losing" guns and having them "stolen," consistently, yet the ATF was helpless to shut him down because the laws required him to be given second chance after second chance.

If you talk to any gun afficiando anywhere, they always claim their arsenals are for protection. They need them because criminals have guns! Also they oppose any sort of sensible gun laws because they "know" criminals will get guns anyway, and only honest people like themselves will be disarmed.

They even oppose things like fingerprinting guns, on the argument that "criminals will file the borings away," nevermind the fact that most burglars don't wear gloves and most rapists don't use condoms. In other words, although most criminals can protect themselves from basic forensics they still don't. And we don't [use] that as an argument to take away other kinds of forensics. So who does the lack of fingerprinting protect, anyway? Not honest people since they aren't the ones commiting crimes. The only ones it protects are the dirty dealers who knowingly and deliberately sell to criminals.

Then I ran across someone somewhere who called the NRA "the gun manufacturers lobby" and it clicked.

This is a great example of plain old common sense thinking that virtually impossible because of rightwing hegemony--hegemony defined as "ideology in drag as common sense."  To put it more exactly, it's an example of how hegemony displaces and replaces common sense, and it does so by creating a fantasy world, which has its own common sense.

Paul Rosenberg :: Light bulb time: 'The NRA is a money laundering operation for arms dealers'
The fantasy is a powerful one, because it's all tangled up in male sexual insecurity, which goes right to the core of male identity.  And, of course, you can't talk about that, because the insecurity is extreme that it can't tolerate the least little chance of being looked at.  But you can talk about the material mechanism by which the fears are stoked that feed on that insecurity to make it a major, debilitating aspect of our nation's political economy.  And that's just what Sadie did.

I've often encountered people who say that liberals need to get over it, and that gun-owners often agree with us on everything except guns.

But that's like saying that Lieberman is with us on everything but the war.  For one thing, liberals as a whole have never really been about taking away people's guns in the way the NRA propaganda would have it.  The "R" in NRA stands for "rifle", as in hunting rifle, a part of rural culture.  But a classic gun control group is Handgun Control--focused on an urban crime problem.  Two completely different matters.

Of course, they aren't different for the NRA, because "The NRA is a money laundering operation for arms dealers."  But the gunowners who support the NRA are its dupes--and are such because it knows so well how to play on their insecurities, and those ontological insecurities are far more important to them than any of the other issues that they may agree with us on.

The most important thing about anyone's politics is not their position on any one issue. The most important thing about anyone's politics is what fantasy they are living in--and why.


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"The "R" in NRA stands for "rifle"" and sadly, this includes... (0.00 / 0)
...automatic rifles, too! Hell, I guess we have to be happy that they don't extend this to refer to recoilless rifles and naval rifles as well. Or else the gun nuts would also have bazookas and 6" guns in their garage!

Some of them do (4.00 / 3)
Once upon a time I had the occasion to visit a retired airline captain -- a friend-of-a-friend occasion, and not a happy one, as it turned out.

Anyway, after a dinner prepared by his Thai wife, who didn't eat with us, and a couple of slugs of an obscenely expensive single-malt Scotch, he proudly showed us pictures of him standing next to his personal F-86, the Ferrari Daytona under a canvas cover in his garage, and finally, his gun safe. The safe in question was about eight feet tall, six feet wide, and three feet deep, finished in shiny black enamel with gold flowers and vines and a huge stainless steel dial and handle on its double doors. In it, there was, among other treasures, a 1920s Thompson submachine gun, a fifty-caliber single shot sniper rifle, an M72 LAW, and a 20 mm. aircraft cannon, mercifully without the magazine, ammunition feed mechanism, or any ammunition.

A proud NRA member? You betcha.


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I wonder though... (4.00 / 3)
Sadie Baker's comment was in response to the suggestion that the NRA could be coopted by progressives, thereby depriving the right wing of a huge part of its funding. I basically agree with the point that the NRA really represents the arms dealers, rather than the gun owners, and therefore isn't susceptible to takeover from within.

I wonder, though, whether something like the JStreet strategy couldn't at least put a dent in the NRAs political power. The NRA has a similar political niche to AIPAC - basically monopolizing political organization for a constituency that includes many individuals who disagree with the primary lobbying aims of the organization that claims them by default. With the resurgence of progrssives in western states, you'd think someone could pull off creating a JStreet type alternative to the NRA.  


That's A Distinct Possibility (4.00 / 1)
But it has to be smart about what the NRA really is and how it works in order to have a chance.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I think that was me (4.00 / 1)
Sadie Baker's comment was in response to the suggestion that the NRA could be coopted by progressives, thereby depriving the right wing of a huge part of its funding.

I apologize up front for not being very clear when initiating that exchange. I condensed  a lot of thoughts and initiative into an allegedly pithy comment.

I had no notion that folks like me could reduce the contributions of gun manufacturers and runners to the NRA. Its about the facade of populism that the NRA is able to paint over its corporate face that I was speaking.

Strip the facade; reveal the rot.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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The concept of a left wing populist movement (0.00 / 0)
that could co-opt the "gun nuts" may sound strange, and should probably not be on the front burner, but any means to split our gun-owning citizens from the right wing seems a worthwhile endeavor. At least at the personal level.

If we want to disarm our neighbors without resorting to the ATF, we'll need to provide some viable means of social justice and disarm the central government. Remember, the second amendment was not intended to protect you from the petty crimes of your fellow citizens, rather it is there to protect you (us) from an overreaching government imposing its will through force. Issues of personal safety should be addressed from the perspective of community building, rather than the legislative/policing/prison/industrial complex.

If this perspective induces Sadie to label me a "libertarian", so be it. I prefer "constitutional anarchist", if you insist on labels.



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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This Is Provably FALSE (4.00 / 1)
Remember, the second amendment was not intended to protect you from the petty crimes of your fellow citizens, rather it is there to protect you (us) from an overreaching government imposing its will through force

The Second Amendment was part of a carefully crafted set of Constitutional provisions intended to preserve separation of powers in a most important area of governance--the power to make war.  The concentration of that power in one set of hands--the King's in the case of Britain--was seen as the most dangerous threat of tyranny.  And so the power to command was given to the President, the power to declare war was given to the Congress, and the power to pay for it was vested first in the House, where all revenue bills were to originate.

The intention of all the above was also to severely limit the size of the standing army so that it could never threaten the people's liberty.  But at the same time, there needed to be a large enough reserve to protect the nation in time of war--as well as providing protections against lesser threats at the state level.  This was assumed would be the role of state militias.  But after the Constitution was drafted, there was some dispute about whether this was clearly enough spelled out, and from that concern the Second Amendment was born.  That's why the amendment is worded the way it is--wording that makes absolutely no sense if it had the intention that you ascribe to it.

It was only about 50 or 60 years ago that the right began constructing their false history to justify their paranoid fantasy as descended from the Founding Fathers.  The real reason for the Second Amendment had a whole lot more to do with putting down slave rebellions (one of the militias' ancillary purposes) than it did with protecting anyone from the state.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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So what? (0.00 / 0)
How does any of that change the way you address the gun owners in the US of today?

The same "paranoid fantasy" that drives their belief that arming themselves to the teeth will protect them from the massively armed central government is the same reason others worry about organizations that use retroactive immunity to cover their asses after they co-opt communication corporations to surveil the populace.

The Constitution is a living, breathing, evolving document. What the founders were thinking, and as influenced by the political culture of their time is only one aspect of interpretation of the document. Today, I feel as though I need protection from particular aspects of the central government. While I, personally, do not choose to seek such in armaments, I won't demean my fellow citizens that choose otherwise.



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Why Are You Being So Dishonest, SpitBall??? (0.00 / 0)
Remember, the second amendment was not intended to protect you from the petty crimes of your fellow citizens, rather it is there to protect you (us) from an overreaching government imposing its will through force.

"was not intended"  That's a false claim about original intent.

The Constitution is a living, breathing, evolving document. What the founders were thinking, and as influenced by the political culture of their time is only one aspect of interpretation of the document.

And that's an argument about a living constitution.

Of course, the folks who changed the meaning of the constitution did so on the basis of lying about original intent.

Details, details.

And now you're lying, too.  It seems to go with the pro-gun territory, I guess.

If you're holding a gun on someone, then whatever you say is true, right?


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Uh, Paul, pls be aware that you set the example for the users here. (0.00 / 0)
And accusing commenters of being "dishonest", especially a long term member like Spitball, who isn't known at all for spreading spin, isn't really helpful for keeping the discussion reasonable. Less exaggerations, pls.

Hey, remember the point about the difference between lying and bearing false witness? If something is false, say so. But pls don't pretned to be a mind reader when it comes to the commenters "original intent"!

(Yeah, I know, I should listen to my own good advice. But I'm sure you would point it out, too, if I make inflaming remarks)


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You caught me (0.00 / 0)
I'm a shill for the NRA. You be surprised how little they pay me to antagonize you.



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Who Said Anything About Being Paid? (0.00 / 0)
You've been punked.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Not sure I understand your use of the vernacular (0.00 / 0)
You've described to me a situation in which I have practically no means to influence the lobbying efforts of the NRA. I can't even boycott their journal or the products of their corporate string-pullers and money providers because I don't participate in the gun business. I can't even really confront them because , as you have suggested, no such mechanism exist, or will ever exist on the left. I'm distinctly disempowered in your perspective. But, that's probably OK with you because I'm either lying, in the thrall of the NRA, or operating at a lower level of cognition, so I'm basically irrelevant in your version of movement building. Oh well. I been called worse by folks I respect more.

The only pathway by which I can apply any pressure to create change in this scenario is the personal level. I exploited that single remaining, almost microscopic, lever of political power to the best of my limited abilities as detailed in the original thread.  The positive effects I've seen in my own experience were not made by lecturing the "gun nuts" about why, or why not, they are allowed constitutional protection for their arsenals. My goal was not to disarm them, but to sever the influence of the NRA over their vote. I could not have done this without the help of GWB and Dick Cheney, I have to be honest. Now, if you want to help me keep these folks out of the NRA web, or better yet actively opposing it, start talking about a progressive gun rights movement so that they have an alternative when Obama and the Dems let them down and they start looking backwards.  

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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You are the only one Hyperventilating about guns.... (0.00 / 0)


the funk can move and the funk can remove- dig?

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How is that Unique to the NRA? (0.00 / 0)
The NRA is a money laundering operation for arms dealers. They pay Congress to keep gun laws loose so they can sell guns to criminals, and then sell guns to people who are afraid of criminals. It is a bottomless pit of money. Our side has never had, and never will have, a similar source of revenue.

How is this different from the vast majority of lobbying organizations? Isn't this the insurance lobby, the pharma lobby etc?


the funk can move and the funk can remove- dig?


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