What if Obama tried to split the right, instead of the left?

by: OpenLeft

Tue Dec 29, 2009 at 00:00


A Paul Rosenberg Golden Oldie
From Sun Jan 20, 2008.
Original HERE.


I had a wonderful post on this subject, what got et when the site went down yesterday.  It did go down, didn't it?  It wasn't just me? So you'll just have to make do with this vastly inferior version.

Regardless of his intentions, Obama has been doing a pretty good job of splitting the left for some time now.  Secular humanists, peace activists, Boomers, gays, all have had their turns feeling particularly spurned, while his version of triangulation has many even more nervous than the Clinton version made them.  Many think he's got the perscription exactly backwards-Democrats don't suffer from being too much like the always-combatative Republicans, but from being too wimpy, too reluctant to stand up and fight for what they belive. And many think that now's not the time to reach out with a hand of friendship, just when they're sinking like a stone.

In this diary, I'm not going to try to solve all the differences just mentioned.  Rather, I'm just going to look at one prominent example from the last week, and look at how it could have been handled differently, so that the divisions generated would have been among conservatives, not progressives.  It's a very logical strategy to pursue on two counts: First, as a progressive, Obama should naturally want to unify progressives.  Second, given that only some conservatives are genuinely interested in cooperation, while others are dedicated to oppostion, it makes perfect sense to reach out specifically to those who are reachable in a way that clarifies their differences from those who are not.

I am not suggesting a Machiavellian manoeuvre here.  Quite the opposite.  I am suggesting a clarifying manoeuvre to bring hidden differences out into the open, in order to preempt yet another round of Machiavellian maipulations to prevent the very sort of cooperation that Obama advocates for.  What I'm going to do is recall Obama's remarks about Ronald Reagan, which have once again divided progresssives, and then I'm going to suggest two possible alternatives that could have found broad acceptance among progressives, while causing legitimate, and clarifying consternation among conservatives.

The first alternative questions the efficacy of Reagan's conservativism, and pushes the case that Eisenhower is a better, more substantial model to follow. Eisenhower isn't generally thought of as a conservative, but that's beause movement conservatives are actually reactionaries, who have kidnapped the "conservative" label.  Eisenhower's model of gradual adaptation, not seeking to radically alter what has become part of the organic fabric of society (such as Social Security) is perfectly in line with the main thrust of Edmund Burke's thinking. Joseph de Maistre, not so much.

The second points out a number of liberal inconsistencies in Reagan's record, and casts doubt on whether he'd be accepted today as a true heir of himself.  The example of Mike Huckabee is instructive in this regard, too.

Let the games begin...

OpenLeft :: What if Obama tried to split the right, instead of the left?
What Obama Actually Said

Obama:

"I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing."

There's really no need to restate what's wrong with this.  The very fact that so many people have debated it is what's wrong with it.  Indeed, the less you think is wrong with it, the greater the problem is-all that heat and no light?  Very bad!


Particularly when Obama could have offered relatively respectful criticisms, grounded rock-solid in cold hard fact, that would have divided the other side, the wingnuts from those we can actually hope to dialogue with.


What Obama Could Have Said-Take 1: What About Ike?

Alternate Obama #1:

Many people think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. They think he put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. But as Reagan himself liked to say, "Facts are stubborn things," and the more you look at the sorts of things that people say, the clearer it becomes that things were a lot more complicated, and a lot more ambiguous.

For example, a lot of people think that people were responding to what they call "the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s," but the two oil shocks and the recessions that accompanied them, or the Iranian hostage crisis  had nothing to do with the 1960s, and everything to do with problems that are with us to this very day-including 9/11, soaring gas prices and the growing threat of global warming. What's more it was very much a fluke of timing.  If the election had been held in March of 1980, Carter would have been re-elected handily.  So, the major turbulence of the era had nothing to do with the 1960ds, and Reagan's election had nothing to do with ending it.  Indeed, economically, things got a lot worse before they got better, and even after they got better, the manufacturing jobs never really came back, and our middle class remains more fragile, less secure, and more divided than it was before Reagan took office.

Those problems are also with us still-as are another set of problems having to do with our budget.  During his two terms, Ronald Reagan managed to more than double the federal deficit-he added more to the deficit in 8 short years than all the Presidents that came before him, from Washington to Carter.  It's a very strange legacy for a man held up as a conservative icon.  He may have touted the free market, and "trickle down economics," but the economic recover he presided over-which was weaker than the 1960s-was based entirely on Keynsian economics, deficit spending far beyond the scope of anything FDR imagined during the Great Depression.

Ronald Reagan had a winning smile, and an optimistic attitude, and Americans have always been an optimitstic people, so he resonated in a way.  But if we want to look for a real model of Presidential leadership that Republicans can be proud of, General Dwight D. Eisenhower has a lot more substance, even if his style was more subdued.  He worked well with the Democrats who controlled Congress through most of his term, established the Interstate Highway System, and didn't panic in the face of Sputnik, and the Soviets sudden, unexpected show of technological superiority.  Instead he supported a broad-based response, with a good deal of civilian spending that laid the groundwork for a sustained response that not only put a man on the moon under JFK's inspiration, but produced a broad-based leadership in science that is with us to the present day.  Eisenhower was remarkable for being a true conservative, and not altering our trajectory, not panicking and abandoning our basic values and self-confidence as a people, not responding in a show of force or display of vain bravado, but simply, humbly, modestly and effectively laying the groundwork for a renewal of our excellence.  And that's the kind of true conservatism I can admire, respect, and even hope to emulate.

That's hardly the only way this could play out.  It's just one possibility among many.  But clearly there's a lot of room to play around here.  Reagan's "conservatism" is just riddled with contradictions.  Comparisons to Swiss cheese are inadequate and ill-advdised: unlike Swiss cheese, it has holes in its holes.

What Obama Could Have Said-Take 2: Are You SURE He's A Conservative?

Alternate Obama #2:

Many people think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. They think he put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it, and he's considered a conservative icon. But as Reagan himself liked to say, "Facts are stubborn things," and the more you look at the sorts of things that people say, the clearer it becomes that things were a lot more complicated, and a lot more ambiguous. For one thing, although Reagan certainly considered himself a conservative, he had a lot of liberal quirks, at least from today's perspective.  He raised taxes to balance the budget as California governor, and raised taxes as President as well-inluding a massive payroll tax increase to stabilize and save Social Security.  He opposed California's Briggs Initiative, which would have banned homosexuals from teaching in public schools, and coming from Hollywood, he had a number of gay friends.  He rarely went to church, sometimes confused the Old and New Testaments, and relied on an astrologer, via his wife, for some of the running of the White House.  And though he came into office with talk of fighting and winning a nuclear war, he came very close to an agreement with Michael Gorbachev to eliminate nuclear weapons entirely.  Movement conservative leaders at the time were convinced he was being duped, or even going senile.  For all these reasons and more, it's a pretty sure bet that if Reagan were to come back today, and try to run for higher office, he would be subject to attack ads lambasting him for betraying the legacy of Ronald Reagan.

What can I say?  This has been an exercise in restraint.  I'm about to burst under the pressure of holding myself back from snarking it up.  Oh, the sacrifices I'm willing to make on behalf of trying to build unity!


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obama/rahm made there choice - that is the bigger story here (0.00 / 0)
obama knew, he chose rahm - what they could have done splitting the right is interesting, but totally mute because they have sold their base out instead, which feeds into the right.

The repug brand is severely tarnished and the tea baggers are splitting the right.

This could have been an opportunity of historical proportions.  Instead, dem leaders and obama/rahm capitulated to the right.

Supporting these bozos that are now enabling the division of the dem party is a sure-path to putting repugs back in power.

But remember - IT WAS THERE CHOICE!


What he might have said, (4.00 / 2)
yes, but not what he could have said. It's not only that he's been infected with the hegemonic narrative of the right, as you've so often pointed out, but also that he -- or more likely Emanuel -- has a very finely-calibrated power dipstick. They don't show it to us, except obliquely, but they refer to it often enough to make their invisible measurements visible to anyone with the slightest bit of political discernment.

If we were starting from scratch, single-payer would be the way to go, but we aren't starting from scratch we can't screw over the people who are paying your our bills.

This isn't a direct quote, but it's close enough, and I think that it's typical of what's crucial to the Obama/Emanuel world-view. Building their own power base, particularly among self-identified progressives, would be risky, might not be possible in the couple of years left between now and the next campaign, and even in the best-case scenario, would very likely put off any genuine policy accomplishments until Obama's second term. Plus, given the craziness factor on the right, which includes the President is a negro, and the President is coddling the hippies, it would be a helluva fight, and it's not clear that the resources would there to fight it. (If you want corporate support, it's better to disdain Sarah Palin than to be seen arguing with her, and that goes double for the DFH fringe.)

To put it more succinctly, the President's interest is not in building a movement so much as it is in remaining in the Oval Office. If he can also accomplish something along the way, so much the better, but genuine accomplishments are not -- I repeat not -- essential to the plan.


I don't know what truly motivates and moves him (4.00 / 3)
But clearly, it's not achieving progressive goals. Rather, it appears to be attaining, holding onto and expanding power via the easiest and least risky means possible--as evidenced by his cozying up to the power and money elites and sticking it to what could and should have been his true core base, the left--in order to, well, who the hell knows, except, it seems, to stay in power. I.e. a classic case of a soulless quest for power for its own sake.

And I know that the stock response to this from the bots and disengenuous center-right corporatists who've benefitted from his policies and politics is that you can't have everything, that compromise is unavoidable in politics, and that within the limitations of the current political structure, he's managed to achieve more or less the maximum possible.

Which, of course, is sheer horseshit, as he's left an unbelievable amount of genuine opportunities for real progressive reform on the table, while at the same time aggressively pushed for regressive policies that he need not have pushed for. He has NOT done the best that he could, and only a liar or fool would claim otherwise.

All politicians have large egos. No getting around that. But the best ones learn to harness it to do good, and not let it trump the will to do good. Obama has not done that, nor does he appear interested in doing that. I'm not sure that he CAN do it. It may not be within his capability. He seems to like to THINK of himself as wanting and seeking to do good, but I don't see an actual WILL to do good, at least one that can compete favorably with his other motivating forces, and perhaps his fears, of failure, rejection, humilation, etc.

As of now, in terms of character, he shows no signs of having what it takes to be a great president. The intelligence, political skills, perhaps even some of the desire, are there. But the inner force of character necessary for greatness just doesn't seem to be there, and instead, he's apparently decided to settle for half a loaf (at best) simulations of greatness. Which makes one wonder why the hell he decided to run? Is he really this lacking in self-awareness?

Don't answer that.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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he is like an infant who sees a bright shiny thing (4.00 / 1)
and reflexively reaches out for it, not understanding what it is.

He is a child-king, who, dazzled by the glamor of the spectacle, desires no more than to sit on the gilded throne and wear the jeweled crown and the purple robes of state that are too big for him.

Having a child-king can seem fun at first. Being a child, he's playful, happy-go-lucky, and carefree, when he's in a good mood. Not like those adults, who are always so serious and stern.

But once the child-king gets upset--watch out. Because he's a child, he'll react blindly and precipitously, not having adult conceptions of restraint or responsibility. And because he's a king, he has the power to do horrible things--not just to you, but to millions and millions of people. Catastrophe ensues.

The grand myth of President Barack Obama, Bipartisan Healer of All Wounds, is about to be broken wide open, to reveal the (inevitably much shabbier) reality of Barack Obama, the man. And who the hell knows how he'll react then? Because at every point in his life his mojo has worked to propel him upward and onward. He's never really had a failure that's shaken him deeply and forced him to reevaluate himself.

Remember, this president is spying on us without restraint, claiming the unilateral power to imprison anyone he deems to be a terrorist, and even supporting "preventive detention" of people who might commit crimes. And that's what he's doing when he's popular and loved.

What will happen if he fails spectacularly and the people turn against him? He's surrounded by treacherous counselors, people like Rahm and Larry Summers, who will feed his delusions and whisper into his ear that he needs to crack down and show his power to the world. And he has proven that he has neither the will to resist the establishment nor the judgment to sort out who's giving him good advice and who bad.

Plus his ego won't let him admit failure. His claims that he didn't compromise on health care are almost pathological in their denial of reality. He MUST be right--and if reality says otherwise, well then reality must be wrong! (I seem to recall similar tendencies in our last president, who, when asked if he had any regrets about his presidency, could think of none).

I don't look forward to seeing what Obama's reaction will be once reality fully penetrates the bubble. No, it will not be malicious or sadistic (which sets him apart from McCain) but it will be rash, hasty, done in the midst of a temper tantrum of pique and wounded ego. And given the enormous power at his command, and the badly broken and divided state of the country, it could do huge damage.

 


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Look At The Date Of The Original (4.00 / 5)
This was the first month of the 2008 primary cycle.  Obama could have done almost anything he wanted to at that point in time.  Rahm wasn't part of the picture then.  All the things you're saying now about the present situation are path dependent on his choices since then--especially those made since winning the election.

Standing up to Wall Street on behalf of Main Street would have been the single most defining thing he could have done.  Everything else would have been much easier after that.  GOP senators would have been genuinely worried about his ability go over their heads to the voters on whom their re-elections depended. Instead, Obama continued BushCo policies with barely a tweak, and thus empowered the GOP opposition.  He actually made the very limitations he now faces to a considerable degree.

I pretty much agree with your last paragraph.  But what does that say about what his interest was in Jan 2008, when I wrote this piece--in the same time-frame that I was arguing against the notion of Obama leading a movement, BTW?

I often think of Obama as similar to LA Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who actually had a much stronger progressive history.  In both cases, I thought that ambition alone would lead them to do some pretty good things--the "low-hanging fruit", so to speak.  The fact that neither man did so was quite telling.  Their ambitions as well as their intellects seems to be severely limited, far more than I realized before either took office.

I'm still quite struck by how lacking in ambition both men are.  They seem to believe that spin is everything, and their ambition does not extend beyond the world of spin to actually impinge on the real world, except to the extent necessary for purposes of spinning.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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They not only lack ambition (i.e., vision). (4.00 / 2)
Rahm lacks morals.

Obama lacks courage. Heart.


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True dat, and yet.... (4.00 / 3)
My guess is that Obama the political animal made that determination long ago, in Chicago, when he saw the way the pieces of the power puzzle were put together. He wasn't just Kovie's demagogue of the disenfranchised, he was also the white liberal's darling guarantor of aesthetic improvements in the status quo which wouldn't in any way damage their interests in shopping mall developments.

In the extended New Yorker piece on him at the time, the most telling bit for me was a paragraph on his supposed political astuteness in realizing that in the modern age, people power was out, and money power was in; that ward-heelers weren't what you needed so much as money for television, and that this changed the nature forever of a politician's constituency -- if he wanted to be successful.

In other words, his choice of Emanuel wasn't an accident, it was an essential part of the plan. Rely on Amy Goodman's friends, you get shit. Rely on Rahm Emanuel's friends, you get Health Care Reform. The fact that it isn't actually health care and it isn't actually reform is beside the point.

Yes, of course he could have double-crossed his friends once he got in office, but when push came to shove, it was so much easier to double-cross the ones his demagoguery had brought him. After all, they would either deny what was happening to them, or believe that he still had their best interests at heart despite all the bad things he seemed to be doing to them.


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"Free At Last..." (4.00 / 3)
Not to contradict you, William, but rather to drill down deeper, here's James Farmer on LBJ:

I remember that when I was in the White House talking with him, I asked him how he got to be the way he was. He said, "What do you mean?" I said, "Well, here you are, calling senators, twisting their arms, threatening them, cajoling them, trying to line up votes for the Civil Rights Bill when your own record on civil rights was not a good one before you became Vice President. So what accounted for the change?"

Johnson thought for a moment and wrinkled his brow and then said, "Well, I'll answer that by quoting a good friend of yours and you will recognize the quote instantly. 'Free at last, free at last. Thank God Almighty, I'm free at last.'"

For all his flaws, Johnson was a giant who broke the strongest chains.  Obama?  A reaper who does not sow.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Well, it could be worse.... (4.00 / 1)
He could be Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales, Manuel Zelaya, or Luiz Lula da Silva, who've all struggled toward moderate successes in proving that people power is still possible, only to find that the U.S. has taken a prurient interest in their successes, and is determined to overturn them.

He doesn't have any enemies as formidable as that, but he also doesn't have as many friends among the people with the political instincts of citizens rather than those of consumers. (For the sake of argument, I'm asserting that we don't count, although I'm not so sure that it's true.)

As you know, I actually agree with you, not with President Obama and Emanuel. I would've taken the risk when the odds were, as you suggest, more with him than against him -- at least I think I would have. Playing devil's advocate, though, I'm also saying that their calculation of risk and reward was different from yours or mine. They had more at stake, for one thing, and their successes came from the status quo, not -- as with us -- from a lifetime of struggling against it.


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Once a demagogue... (4.00 / 2)
At his core, this is what he is, a demagogue, who figures out what people want to hear, or what pretty words would bend them to his will, and then says it, slickly and charmingly, and they're his. Of course, he says different things to different groups, many of which are deeply contradictory, and none of which are deeply convincing, and because of this not all members of each group bought it. But enough of each bought it to vault him to the presidency.

Except, as president, he's done such a terrible job of coming through for any of these groups (except for the power and money elite, for whom he's come through splendidly, and who were always his one and only true base), that he's lost enough of each of them that he should start being deeply worried about the next couple of election cycles. He's gotten himself into such a deep political hole that it's hard to see how he pleases enough of these groups--without displeasing others--to get out of it and salvage his presidency, at least with the public.

But, then, perhaps he doesn't give a damn about that. So long as he's got the rich and mighty on his side by doing their bidding, their money might be enough to win the next election, especially with the mess the GOP's in right now.

And yeah, as I commented a few days ago, today's conservatives are really reactionaries and authoritarians who merely call themselves conservatives. No different from DLC types calling themselves liberals, when there's clearly nothing liberal about what they advocate for.

Reagan was to fake conservatives what Obama's turning out to be for fake liberals.

Oh, and speaking of splitting the left, guess who's back at DKos?

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


You mean like a guy that supports indiscriminate use of land mines (0.00 / 0)
and escalates endless wars accepting the nobel peace prize?

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Could have simply said... (4.00 / 1)
I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it.

Then he could have said that the country was again ready, evidenced by the election of 2006, and that he was in favor of changing the fundamental path.  But, of course, he really was just spouting words without conviction.  Even Reagan had conviction.  Obama just wanted himself to be the change from Bush.

Obama's appointment of Emanuel and the economic wrongdoers, his making deals with Tauzin and the health care wrongdoers, evidence he really had no intention to put us on a fundamentally different path, even though the country was ready for it.  Instead, just more of the same, even regression, because it seems nothing much positive was learned from hindsight.    


Apparently (4.00 / 3)
The fundamentally different path he envisioned was an end to extreme partisan polarization.  It's the only thing he's really put energy into, aside from spinning.  But it's clearly been a miserable failure, ever since his prediction of getting 80 votes in the Senate for the stimulus ran up against reality.  Any reasonably competent politician would have realized there was no cheese down that tunnel, and would have shifted gears.  He didn't even have to change his rhetoric much.  He just had to shift from reaching out to GOP Senators to reaching out to GOP voters--not the hard core, of course.  The ~40% of GOP voters who had abandoned Bush by the end was a plenty big pond to go fishing in, had he ever cared to notice.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Yeah...where to begin with Obama? (4.00 / 1)
Some of us argued throughout that he was like a stalking horse for the entrenched interests he loved to rail against.  Sad to be shown we were right thus far.  The fact that he did not ever allow single payer into the mix, among other things, helps show where his real interests lie.

It would have been better if he did not pretend to be different than Clinton, for then we could have picked one or the other on different grounds.  Such is life.

One could argue that Obama squandered a true chance to implement change, but that would assume he really wanted more than what he has done so far.


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Your kidding, right? (0.00 / 0)
you say "end to extreme partisan polarization" even though that divide is shriller than ever and now he is racturing the base of supporters that made his ascendancy into the White House possible.

Bwah ha ha ha hahahaha Bwah ha ha ha hahahahahahahahaha

STOP - you're killin' me!


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Seems to me the simpler, more plausible explaination is kovie's (4.00 / 1)
he is, a demagogue, who figures out what people want to hear, or what pretty words would bend them to his will, and then says it, slickly and charmingly, and they're his.


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You REALLY Need To Learn How To Read (4.00 / 2)
I never said I believed Obama's fantasy.  I said it was the only thing he's put real energy into, aside from spinning.  And I defy you to provide an alternative explanation for his courting of folks like Snowe, Collins, Grassley, etc.

In fact, I was one of the first to point out how utterly foolish this notion was.  For example, over two years ago, on Dec 23, 2007, in "Obama-Yearning For Dixiecrats?" I wrote:

In yearning for a return of the civility of yesteryear, is Barack Obama actually yearning for the return of the Dixiecrats, who sought to keep blacks legally segregated in South in a condition of second-class citizenship?  In a word-yes.  Of course it's not a conscious intention on his part.  But the presence of a significant block of Southern Democrats in Congress was an important factor in producing a defacto three-party system that muted overall polarization to historic lows for a period of decades from the 1930s to the 1970s.

It was not the only factor, of course.  Nor is polarization synonymous with incivility.  There was a dramatic jump in incivility in the House when Newt Gingrich took over the Republican leadership, and Republicans simultaneously took over the House in 1994.  But the rising polarization is what set the stage for Newt's emergence, and the continuing polarization has only grown more intense.  All this was explained in a book published in 2006, Polarized America: The Dance of Ideology and Unequal Riches, by political scientists Nolan McCarty, Keith T. Poole, and Howard Rosenthal, which is based on the most complete record of Congressional voting in existence-a complete record of Congressional roll-call votes where the minority vote was at least 0.5% of the House or Senate. 

In the big picture, polarization in Congress correlates dramatically with levels of income inequality, which is also correlated with levels of foreign born residents.  But the Southern Democrats are part of the mix, and as they disappeared, and were replaced by Southern Republicans, the remaining Democrats were more liberal as a group while the new Republicans helped move their party significantly to the right.

What this strongly suggests is what I and many others have argued on various other grounds--that FDRs success--which correlated with a dramatic drop in polarization-shows that left-liberal policies that benefit society as a whole are the best way to bring the nation together, no matter how vehemently conservatives may oppose them.  Of course conservative opposition will be fierce at first, but as the policies take hold, and begin to work, support for extreme conservatives will wane, and that is how polarization will decline and civility will be restored.

The only thing that surprised me about Obama was that I thought he was both ambitious enough and sensible enough to move left, once he discovered how impossible his bipartisan fantasy turned out to be.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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You need to learn how to read... I never said you believed anything (0.00 / 0)
just that in one sentence Kovie probably more accurately summed this all up.  Legit point.

Why is it so common here to blatantly misrepresent other's posts with the bold "subject line"?  Is this how you have managed the appearance of a consensus?


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But thanks - I will make a point of skipping any excessive verbage (0.00 / 0)
you post now.

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maybe (4.00 / 5)
You could rethink your posting style, particularly whatever compels you to fairly drip scorn and disgust for everyone here in nearly every comment.

There's a way to be a person.


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Even More Basic Than Learning To Read Is Learning To See (0.00 / 0)
which comment a given comment is responding to.

I wasn't responding to this:

Seems to me the simpler, more plausible explaination is kovie's  

   he is, a demagogue, who figures out what people want to hear, or what pretty words would bend them to his will, and then says it, slickly and charmingly, and they're his.

I was responding to this:

Your kidding, right?

you say "end to extreme partisan polarization" even though that divide is shriller than ever and now he is racturing the base of supporters that made his ascendancy into the White House possible.

Bwah ha ha ha hahahaha Bwah ha ha ha hahahahahahahahaha

STOP - you're killin' me!

Which didn't outright say that I believed Obama, but that makes absolutely no sense without that assumption.

Hmmm.  You know, on second thought, you're right, after all.  It's just as plausible that can't write as it is that you can't read.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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funny enough (4.00 / 2)
As time has gone on, my view of Obama is becoming decreasingly nuanced and complex.  More and more, I just see him as a coward, who knows what really needs to be done, but allows himself to be talked into not doing it, by all the same always-wrong but very serious people he has chosen to surround himself with, so that he can give himself the excuses he needs to avoid doing the hard things.

It's not "if only the czar knew" so much as "the czar wants not to know."  It isn't to make him less culpable for his administration's failures and now war crimes, but only to magnify the tragedy.  I think he does know better.  He talks liberal too well for it to be just an act.  At some level he does believe in these things, but it all gets subsumed in what boils down, basically, to cowardice.

The stimulus, and the health bill, they're big, but they're foisted on him by events.  The risks of not doing the stimulus or health reform were bigger than the risks of doing them, so I don't give him any credit for courage in attempting them.  


This post shows far more prescience than most other folk in the "blogosphere" (0.00 / 0)
even now, I still hear the "I'm so miffed at Obama, I thought he was ______".

These are the people who also think that "We're all Georgians now," I'll wager.

But the writing was on the wall from his famous "Red + Blue = Purple" speech from the 2004 Convention.

Let's face it. People of a leftish tinge were blinded by the melanin visible in his epidermis, nothing more. (With friends like these...)

But there is another thesis that is sweeping the land, which is often scorned in hoity-toity circles, but like talk-radio-in-general, it commands vast legions of people in flyover country:

It is the Alex Jones thesis of "The Obama Deception"*.

Before you reflexively reject this at your own peril, consider, what has Obama done to undermine the thesis?

After

1) two surges in Afghanistan,

2) an expansion of the wars in Pakistan and Yemen (among others)

3) multiple bailouts of big business, including another of Fannie and Freddie just a few days ago

4) a health care reform bill that (so far) forces people to pay rent to the insurance barons and taxes middle class health insurance benis,

5) globetrotting to "rescue" Copenhagen and to receive a Peace Prize?!?

After all this, the thesis is stronger than ever!

Remember, these stoke the types of ideas that are sweeping the nation sub rosa. If the left refuses to engage the "teabaggers" (consider the fury directed at FireDogLake), know at least that the "teabaggers" are engaging the folks you prospect to be future allies.

These prospects are folks that would love a guy like Bernie Sanders, but are being lost to proponents of UFOs and lizard men.

Shame, where is thy blush?

* If you don't know what the thesis is, you cannot consider yourself intellectually engaged with the contemporary world. Consider it opposition research if it makes you fell better, but in reality you are looking at a new American mythology / religion, with all the evil that implies.


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