Stuff that is actually going to happen over the next decade

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 15:00


On the Meet The Press yesterday, David Brooks reminded us all just how completely loaded with bullshit most cultural criticism actually is in America:

MR. BROOKS:  I always look at passionate outsiders.  Who are the passionate outsiders who are going to come into the mainstream?  Because the people with passion really can control the decade--the feminists in the 1970s, the evangelicals in the 1980s.  And so when I look around the world at who are the real passionate outsiders, one, the people that we've already talked about, which are the, the democracy protesters in Iran.  But two, and I have to say that I'm not a huge fan of them, but the tea party people.  They have real passion.  They're now at the outside.  If they can merge with responsible leadership and become a real movement--there's real disgust at government, there's real disgust about fiscal issues--they could become maybe a destructive force in the Republican Party, maybe a positive force.  But, to me, those are the people with real passion who may play a much larger role in the coming decade and so forth.

WTF does any of this actually mean?  Define "passionate."  Define "outsiders."  For that matter, define "mainstream."  And, while you are at it Mr. Brooks, please provide some justification for how any single group "controls" a decade, and what causality mechanism allows a qualitative group to do this.

Everything Brooks says here is purely bullshit masquerading as knowledge.  It reminds me of why I like to ground my writing in actual facts, rather than subjective, vague, qualitative terminology that doesn't actually mean anything.

To that end, here are some things that are actually going to happen over the next decade:

1. Continuing, gradual identity changes
The people of the United States are going to become:

2. Societal and economic changes
  • Lower crime rates (due to aging population)
  • Higher voter turnout rates (due to aging population)
  • Higher public spending as a % of GDP (partially due to older population, largely because that never really drops)
  • More tolerant (because, generally speaking, more tolerant people tend to be younger)
  • Equal, or greater, overall income inequality (because that has been happening for so long, and current policies will only slow the trend, not reverse it.) However, economic inequality between ethnic and gender groups will probably continue to decline.
3. International changes
  • The world, as a whole, will become more African and South Asian.
  • The European Union will continue to pull away from the United States as the #1 economic region in the world.  While China will not catch up to the USA, they will firmly establish themselves as a third world Superpower in this regard.  These three Superpowers will dominate the world for decades.
  • Even as China and the EU gain on the United States economically, and even as the rest of the world gains on all three of those regions in terms of population, the Anglophone world will become an increasingly larger percentage of the wealthy world.  This is because per capita income in China remains very low, and because Australia, Canada, the United States and the United Kingdom all sport population growth rates far exceeding Japan and Western Europe.
  • The world will get hotter.
That's all stuff that is actually going to happen.  After a month of maddeningly vague and meaningless predictions of the sort quoted above, I thought this would provide a useful counterweight.
Chris Bowers :: Stuff that is actually going to happen over the next decade

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Uh, "More tolerant"? (0.00 / 0)
"(because, generally speaking, more tolerant people tend to be younger)"
While at the same time the population is aging, as you write? Shouldn't then that point be 'less tolerant', or am I missing something?

missing assumption (0.00 / 0)
You are missing the assumption that young people don't become less tolerant as they age.

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No joke! (0.00 / 0)
Why would you say that it is? Do you think an 80 year old man now is likely to be less tolerant than he was when he was a 30 year old man in 1960? If anything, I think it's the opposite.

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Yes. I think that. (4.00 / 1)
And as far as I remember studies support that view. However, I googled for hard evidence, but only found a study of Australian youths showing that (hardly conclusive). If you have other informations, pls post them.

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Also, how about aging people becoming more conservative? (0.00 / 0)
I seem to remember that psycholigical and sociological studies show that, too. Not everything is changing in favor of liberals...

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I've never seen those studies (4.00 / 3)
I have never seen studies showing that people get more racist and homophobic when they get older. I doubt those studies exist.

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Well, an Aussie study shows that. (0.00 / 0)
However, this isn't exactly what I was looking for:
A University of Melbourne study has surprised researchers by revealing Australians become less racially tolerant as we get older.

The study is providing insight into alternative pathways to the development of tolerance and a better understanding of how to achieve a more harmonious society.

One of the more unusual findings, and of concern to the researchers, was a distinct decline in racial tolerance in boys when they reach the ages 14-16 years.

"The results went against the conventional theories that suggest tolerance should increase with age," says Dr Rivka Witenberg, a cognitive and developmental psychologist, who led the research at the University of Melbourne.


http://voice.unimelb.edu.au/vi...

Of course, I was looking for a study of people at much older age. But still, this shows it's dicey to simply assume tolerance increases with age.


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I'm Shocked! Shocked! (4.00 / 3)
This is precisely the age I'd expect insecure teenaged boys to become less tolerant.  Why anyone would expect anything different is utterly beyond me.

"Conventional theories" obviously never went to high school.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Well, I would have expected otherwise... (0.00 / 0)
..with tolerance slowly increasing (with rising eduvcation and knowledge) and reaching an extremum at higher age (and consequently decreasing during retirement years). But, of course, I lack your superior insight, Paul!
:D

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It's a myth. (4.00 / 2)
Based on the "liberals are basically naive" stereotype. It's completely unfounded.

Montani semper liberi

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Well, but the opposite view seems to be unfounded, too, Sadie. (0.00 / 0)
At least with google I couldn't find a long term study clarifying that point. But maybe I simply screwed up. Do you know one, Sadie?

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But that's not what he's arguing. (4.00 / 1)
He's not saying individuals get more tolerant as they age, he's saying as a society, collectively, we do. Intolerant old people die and are replaced by more tolerant young people.

Montani semper liberi

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But if intolerance increases with age, this could offset this process. (0.00 / 0)
And don't forget, the average age would increase (rising life expectation results in the conveyor belt beecoming longer). If society would get younger overall, the positive effect would be clear. But in this case?  

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Hmm, how about this? (0.00 / 0)
The focal point of this study was an application of the generalization that older people are more conservative than younger people with regard to opinions on controversial issues such as race, law enforcement and patriotism. Variables explored include age, size of childhood community, father's education and occupation, and respondent's education. Interviews were administered to over 100 subjects aged 23 to 66 years. Three general findings were noted. First, there was a significant positive correlation between age and conservative opinions even when social class, education, father's SES, and the size of the respondent's childhood community were controlled. Second, only education was more important than age as a correlate of conservatism among the variables studied. Third, a polarization of opinions on the basis of age did not exist. Of three suggested explanations for the relationship between age and conservative opinions, the social and cultural were seen as the most fruitful.

http://geronj.oxfordjournals.o...

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Doesn't appear to have been taken over several years (4.00 / 1)
As far as I can tell, the study is just saying that older people in 1972 tended to be less tolerant than younger people in 1972. Which is something we'd all accept.

What we need is something showing social attitudes and mapping any change against time.

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I recall the same thing (4.00 / 1)
The way I recall it was that as people become older, wealthier, more powerful, more famous, etc...they tend to become more conservative.  Every social group, that is, except sociologists.

This was, I believe, from a class I took by William J. Goode: Class, Status, and Social Structure; around 1985-86.  But it might also have been the Intro to Sociology class by Sandy Dornbusch.

However, as Chris points out there is a demographic change process going on too. You can become more conservative and still not care about social issues that your grandfather cared about.


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Then we're in good shape. (4.00 / 1)
Because nobody outside the already arch-conservative elite is going to be getting wealthier in the next ten years.

Montani semper liberi

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Unfortunately (4.00 / 1)
Unfortunately those status-increase variables (wealth, fame, age, etc) are independent of each other.

Say you start a left-leaning political blog and it becomes really really popular and you become famous and influential, even though you don't become wealthy. You are still more likely to become more conservative than you would have otherwise.

My interpretation of this statistical fact has always been that as you gain power in whatever form, you are more likely to act to preserve your power or try to build upon it. My other way of looking at it: people who tend to win (or even hold their own) at a game are unlikely to think the game needs its rules revised.


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and with fewer people 'winning' every day, with wages falling every day (0.00 / 0)
with employment falling every day...

The numbers who recognize the game is fixed is growing. This does not make you conservative

--

The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Agreed (0.00 / 0)
The important thing as that happens is to avoid learned helplessness.

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If things were that simple (0.00 / 0)
nothing would ever change. Yet things do change.

Yes successful strivers get co-opted, sometimes, but even when they do, there are a million more to take their place.

Montani semper liberi


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they're only statistical trends (4.00 / 2)
We still get people like Bill Gates' dad too.

And, as I think you're saying, the key to change is in the many, not the few.  The many, when aroused, scare the crap out of the few.


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Yes (4.00 / 4)
Think of it like a conveyor belt. Even though more people will be moving toward the "old" end of that conveyor belt, the people entering the conveyor belt will still be more tolerant than the people leaving the conveyor belt (on average).

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Nice example. (0.00 / 0)
Ok, this makes some sense to me. However, this still works under the premise that tolerance stays the same with rising age. And I'm not at all sure this is true.

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Society just moves without them (4.00 / 3)
Back in the 60's, someone who supported marriage between blacks and whites would be considered progressive, even if that person thought same sex marriage was ludicrous.  Today, that same person would be considered socially conservative.  So in that sense, sure, we get more conservative as we age relative to those around us.  But overall tolerance does not go down.

Just because you (or your children) will be against giving dolphins the right to vote in 60 years doesn't mean you got less tolerant.

The study you site is about child development, which has nothing to do with how people age as adults.  It should be no surprise that the youngest don't show any racial intolerance, as it takes a while to learn that skin color matters in a way that hair color does not.  Somehow, we aren't born with that "knowledge".


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Being more than halfway between 60 and 70, (4.00 / 5)
I'm not so sure I like the conveyor belt metaphor ;-) If it ends in the recycle bin, fine. If it ends in a toxic waste dump, not so fine.

Metaphor treachery! What'll you young whippersnappers think of next?


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Soylent green? (0.00 / 0)
I guess you know the movie. Yup, not exactly a comforting example...

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Evangelicals Controlled The 80s??? (4.00 / 5)
Which is why Pat Robertson beat George Bush in the 1988 GOP primaries, and the Supreme Court overturned Roe in Webster the next year.

Again, I am amazed, not so much that Brooks is allowed on TV, but that he's allowed out of his institution.  The upper classes used to be much more discrete about such things.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


My guess at what Brooks is confused about (4.00 / 2)
I think he's conflating 'controlling the decade' with 'being characteristic of the decade in some fundamental way.' That's pretty sloppy of him, but it's about the most generous explanation for this quote I can come up with.

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Yes, Yes (4.00 / 4)
The whole family has habituated themselves to explaining what Uncle really meant to say.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Another thing that will happen this decade (4.00 / 1)
Global oil production will peak, according to the chief economist of the International Energy Agency and an increasingly broad range of independent observers.

if you get my drift (0.00 / 0)
Of course, if you go back in history the Nazis and the Commies were once passionate outsiders too.

And some of the most passionaite outpouring of disgust at government these days is coming from folks like Jane Hamsher at FDL. Progressive passion as it were.

After all, we can be passionaite about anything, right?

Brooks is an intellectual. He lives in a world of words by and large. And words can be shaped and twisted to define and defend other words easily enough.

And Brooks never, ever talks about the very rich and the very powerful folks who really call the shots behind the curtains. The Bilderbergers for example. Of course, you won't find a whole lot of passion displayed when these folks get together to divide up the world. Will you? And outsiders? Hell, you don't get further inside America's ruling class than these Big Buckmeisters. Do you?

Of course folks often read my own opinions about the Bilderbergers and insist it is also bullshit masquerading as knowledge. Or they claim that any critique of Bilderberg is synonymous with, say, the second half-hour of Jesse Ventura's "exposure" of Bilderberg on "Conspiracy Theory". But what about the first half hour?

Still, how can I convince them it is not when they refuse to delve deeper into the what facts we do have about the Bilderberger agenda?

I suspect though that unlike his colleague Tom Friedman, Brooks will never become an actual member of Bilderberg. He is just too intellectual. If you get my drift.  


Good post, Chris. (0.00 / 0)
I agree about Brooks.  There really is little to no content there, which is how the tradmed likes their pundits.  

Damn Brooks is good (4.00 / 3)
You tear apart Brooks' statements beautifully.  But take a step back and recognize how good Brooks is.

1) he makes a reasonably sounding statement; deep even
2) backs up statement with a liberal and conservative example
3) declares the conservatives the new version of this example
4) points out that he, personally, doesn't like these people much
5) says they will be a force for good, anyway.

Isn't it amazing how Brooks always comes across as the reasonable observer, never taking sides, but always ends up promoting the conservative agenda.  This guy is good.


Woudn't it be nice (0.00 / 0)
If someone did the opposite, coming across as the reasonable observer, never taking sides, but ending up promoting the progressive agenda?  Forget Olberman and Maddow, that's what I want to see injected into the national media.

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It will get hotter, and therefore ... (0.00 / 0)
One problem with projecting continued population growth in the West and Southeast US is that these are the regions where it's going to get hotter, faster. The next decade may admittedly not see the peak of this established trend, so you might be right, but it might also happen faster than we fear (all the IPCC's 'out there', worst-case scenarios are playing out, so it isn't impossible) and make water shortages in those regions more extreme. With less water and lower rainfall, you get more fires and more water-use restrictions on residents, and there's likely a tipping point past which that discourages growth.

As you pointed out today when talking about how economic recessions could overturn trends, resource scarcity and climate disruption could begin having the same effect on the entire south of the country, east to west. When Steven Chu was talking about the possibility of California's major cities becoming uninhabitable in 50 years in a business as usual climate

The Northwest might be all right, or at least come out better, but most people living Out West don't think of the Pacific Northwest and the Southwest as synonymous. Just as, I'm sure, people living Back East can't understand when native West coasters lump Florida and New York all together in a jumble.

(Otoh, the weather in the Northeast is just godawful. How bad was the weather in N. Europe that this seemed like a good place to move to instead? California, for example, may have a totally dysfunctional state government and lousy transit infrastructure, but people get to live in California, so there's compensation.)

/regional essentialism moment


Finishing that sentence (4.00 / 1)
Gaaa.

When Steven Chu was talking about the possibility of California's major cities becoming uninhabitable in 50 years in a business as usual climate ...

I don't expect that's going to happen all at once, towards the end of the projected time frame. It might not be a front-loaded disaster, but it'll probably also be a gradual process. Then too, it might be like what Michigan faces, where there's a period of rapid talent/wealth drain as the people who can leave, leave when the going gets rough, but those who want to go and can't get out early will then leave more slowly because the resources necessary to finance a move have been gutted in the downturn.


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Phoenix won't be nice come 2050 (4.00 / 1)
Arizona's rapidly increasing population is going to be a real headache in terms of water issues, and I doubt Las Vegas will have it much better. I could see California going the desalinification route in two or three decades, always assuming they've fixed their budget enough to spend anything by that time.

As for the north-east? Well, in Ireland it rains all the damn time and the soil is mostly bog; northern England has a slightly milder climate but is otherwise not much better; Scottish winters can be pretty extreme even now (it got to -16C the other day in the Highlands) and must have been much worse with a combination of the Little Ice Age and houses with essentially no insulation; Norway's population would be dead in ten minutes if the Gulf Stream ever fizzled out and Poland and northern Germany can get winds coming straight out of the Urals and temperatures of 35 below.

Sure, the north-east may have terrible weather, but you'd be surprised a shoddy a climate and lifestyle can be and still be miles more entertaining than leaving in East Anglia.

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Indeed. Without the gulf stream, big parts of Europe will be Siberia. (0.00 / 0)
That's really the biggest danger of global warming from the European view (more dire than rising water levels). If the currents in the Atlantic change, Europe will be left without its heater, even though the rest of the world becomes warmer (on average). A horrible outlook. This would start the biggest migration drive in the history of mankind, I guess.

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Fooled them (0.00 / 0)
Early settlers were fooled by assuming that places in North America would have the same climate as places at the same latitude in western Europe.  Thus the Pilgrims expected that weather in Plymouth would be similar to weather in Venice.

They learned quickly that it does not work. Western Europe is atypical because of the Gulf Stream.  Vladivostok and Boston are both south of Monaco.

Later generations marketed sections of North America to  Europeans with similar climates.  It was railroad advertising that lured Scandanavians to Minnesota and the Dakotas (railroads were land companies marketing the free land they got for building the railroads).


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Huh? (0.00 / 0)
So we are going to get older, and more tolerant because young people tend to be more tolerant?

I get what you mean ... 1. Young people are becoming more tolerant on the whole. ... 2. Younger people, more tolerant, are beginning to enter the "old" category. ... But you need to make this point clearer.

Studies showing that mid-teens become less tolerant have no relevance to adults. Mid-teens define themselves by "not," and can be intolerant of even petty differences. The biggest prejudcec among mid-teens is against poor people and "trailer park trash" (approved by liberal comedians).


Brooks is kinda right (0.00 / 0)
Be fair. David Brooks has a point, within his frame of reference. He's referring to the media: the media latch on to a new group/trend and make a mega-story out of it because they want to be up on trends, influence trends, and magnify trends. Passion gives us melodrama, the food of the media. It's all hokey but went over really well when old media had a monopoly on public talk.

David is making the point that the media will be paying great attention to the Tea Partiers. Fox News will seep into all the channels and all the press. I think he's right. Fox factoid stories are already penetrating all the media.


Yellowstone will be the big story of 21st century (0.00 / 0)
Yellowstone the volcano could erupt within the next 9o years. This will be the very worst disaster in human history and the US may not recover (especially since it will still be conducting perpetual warfare). The rich can leave for another country after they have drained the US economy dry. The rich are welcome everywhere.

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