Net effect of the Senate retirements: trading North Dakota for Connecticut (Updated X3)

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Jan 06, 2010 at 11:47


The net effect of Byron Dorgan's and Chris Dodd's retirements on the Senate picture is that Democrats will now lose North Dakota instead of Connecticut.

Losing North Dakota
In North Dakota, Senator Byron Dorgan's retirement is a real blow.  North Dakota is a pretty red state (Cook PVI R+10), the national environment is pretty favorable to Republicans right now, and Republican Governor Jim Hoeven--who is likely to run--is a very popular figure.

This is made worse given that Byron Dorgan is about the most progressive figure we could have hoped for in North Dakota.  While Ed Schultz is a clear exception, even he probably can't beat Hoeven this year.  Schultz is unlikely to run, anyway.

All of this makes it extremely difficult--almost impossible, really--to hold the seat this year.  A right-winger is now very likely to replace a pretty good Senator in Byron Dorgan.

Gaining Connecticut
Chris Dodd was all but toast in Connecticut.  He trailed well known Republican Bob Simmons by 10%, and also trailed little-known Linda McMahon.  It is not impossible that Dodd could have held the seat, especially if, as was seemingly likely, Linda McMahon won the primary.  However, his retirement improves Democratic odds to hold the seat dramatically.

Attorney General Richard Blumenthal is now the likely Democratic nominee in Connecticut.  Blumenthal will announce that he is running at 2:30 p.m., a couple hours after Dodd officially announces his retirement.  In the mid-November Quinnipiac poll of Connecticut, Blumenthal sported a gaudy 78%-13% approval disapproval rating.  Public Policy Polling, which just completed a Connecticut poll that included numbers on Blumenthal versus Simmons and McMahon, writes "Democrats will keep the Senate seat in Connecticut now."

In the same way that defeating Hoeven is virtually impossible in North Dakota, defeating Blumenthal is virtually impossible in Connecticut.

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For the Senate, the net result is that Democrats will now lose North Dakota instead of Connecticut.  It is not a disastrous trade, though not a great one, either.  A loss in Connecticut would have been easier to reverse in 2016 than a loss in North Dakota.  Further, as I already mentioned, Byron Dorgan is pretty progressive for a red state like North Dakota. Short of Ed Schultz becoming a Senator, it will be difficult to get a progressive in that seat anytime soon.

Perhaps worst of all, Blumenthal was a lock to defeat Joe Lieberman in 2012.  Back in Februrary, Blumethal led Holy Joe 58%-30% in a hypothetical 2012 matchup.  Now, Democrats are going to have to find someone else to dump Lieberman in 2012.  Whoever else they find will simply not have as good a chance as Blumenthal.

On net, the Senate forecast remains the same.  Democrats are expected to lose five seats in November, resulting in a 55-45 Senate.  The Governor's races will be looked at in another post.

Update--Blumenthal up 30%+: The PPP poll is out:

Blumenthal leads Rob Simmons 59-28, Linda McMahon 60-28, and Peter Schiff 63-23. It would take an epic collapse for him not to be Connecticut's next Senator.

Barring something truly shocking, Richard Blumenthal will be the next Senator from Connecticut.  Now, we just need someone to dump Lieberman in 2012.

Update--Schultz asked to run, but isn't eligible: Ed Schultz has been officially asked to run for Senate in North Dakota.  However, he is not eligible for the seat, since he moved two years ago:

As Schultz pointed out on his show last night, North Dakota requires that candidates maintain residency in the state for five years prior to running for the Senate, and he has lived in Minnesota for the past two years -- meaning he is not eligible for the position.

So, this really does appear to be a Connecticut for North Dakota swap.

Update 3--Schultz is eligible: It appears that states cannot actually set requirements about who runs for US Senate--only the Constitution can.  This means that Schultz is eligible to run for Senate.

On the off-chance that Hoeven does not run, and Schultz does, it would be pretty awesome for Dems and Progs alike.

Chris Bowers :: Net effect of the Senate retirements: trading North Dakota for Connecticut (Updated X3)

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And the sad part is this is probably an optimistic outlook. n/t (4.00 / 1)
Well (4.00 / 2)
As an election forecaster, I always like to think that my take is neither optimistic nor pessimistic.  That is the goal and the hope, anyway.

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It's all still just guesswork this far out... (4.00 / 1)
Everyone fixates too much on the forecast, which isn't a great one right now.   But all your forecast does is give an educated guess if the election happens today...  as you point out, you just give a realistic take on it.  

I hope it spurs people to take midterms seriously and work to elect some new progressives, but people (not you Chris) seem to forget that so much can happen between now and then.   This will all come down to Jobs IMHO.  The higher the unemployment rate, the worse we do.  The lower, the better.    

Plus, Its hard to gauge a Senate race until the primaries are over.      A lot can happen and even if guys like Reid are in trouble, never count out a multi-term senator once they have a target to campaign against.  The unfortunate part with Reid is the DSCC will spend a lot to protect, which sucks.    

If Reid loses, at least it looks like the next majority leader will be from a solid blue state... Either Durbin or Schumer.  Both should be safe.


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Joementum 2012 (4.00 / 3)
I've been hearing Chris Murphy as the guy.     Plus, Joe is gonna have some trouble in 2012 regardless.  

Here here (4.00 / 1)
Chris Murphy is definitely the guy with "it" compared to the rest of the CT congressional delegation.  I think the originally gameplan was Blumenthal in 2012 and Murphy is 2016 but I don't see the harm in moving up the timeline.  Lieberman is toast in CT.

"Never be afraid to stand with the minority when the minority is right, for the minority which is right will one day be the majority." -William Jennings Bryan

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I wonder if Lieberman will even run for reelection (4.00 / 1)
His poll numbers are so low that it may compel him to retire and, even if he doesn't, he'd probably lose to any Democrat who isn't a total incompetent.

If Ned Lamont loses his gubernatorial bid he could re-challenge Lieberman and he'd probably win.

In any case, I'd like to know more about Chris Murphy (what kind of Democrat is he?) before jumping on the bandwagon.  Particularly when we should all be increasingly concerned about the quality of our Democratic candidates. (For that matter, how good a liberal is Richard Blumenthal?)


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I would LOVE to see Schultz make the run (4.00 / 5)
He would be exactly the kind of candidate we need to have from purple states like ND.

And ND is not red in the sense that some of your Southern states are.  It also has a farmer-labor tradition (like Minnesota) that it would be great to see exercised this November.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


Cant run as updated above n/t (0.00 / 0)


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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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That may be true (4.00 / 1)
But I'm listening to the radio show right now, and he's just saying he doesn't want to, has more influence in the media, etc., not that he's not eligible.

Nonetheless, even the possibility of this type of candidacy illustrates the point I made earlier today that the left needs to be pushing such candidates in the purple states, instead of GOP-lite Blue Dogs.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


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The Dems who won in the west (0.00 / 0)
like Schweitzer and Tester did so AGAINST the pro-war, pro-patriot act conventional wisdom that people like Tom Daschle and Chuck Schumer swore by after 9/11.

The more Dems appeal to their base, the more popular their policies become.  The opposite is true with GOPers, but the DNC has bought into a the GOP's notion of the typical American voter as white collar, pro-corporate, anti-working class and suburbanite.  Big mistake.  


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I of course support the running of good candidates, and Ed would have been. (0.00 / 0)
But as he himself said, that states law requires five years continues residence to run for the US Senate.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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However, this probably does result in a more progressive (0.00 / 0)
overall dem caucus, no?  And if true, that's probably worth more than the seat in ND, provided that it really does lead to no overall seat loss.  

Eh, don't know if this makes things more progressive (0.00 / 0)
Instead of what would have been Dorgan and Simmons, we get Hoeven and Blumenthal.  In other words, instead of a semi-liberal and a moderate conservative we get a stronger conservative and a stronger liberal.  They probably average out about the same.

Dorgan isn't one of those Democrats whose purging will be good for our soul.  He's very good for ND and (aside from maybe Ed Schultz) his replacement will most likely be to his right regardless of what party they're in.


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One upside to stong dem majority in senate: (0.00 / 0)
Plus 60 Senators can be problematic, i.e., creeps like Lieberman end up with more power than they deserve.

They will anyway (0.00 / 0)
unless you have a 75 seat majority or not creeps like Lieberman.  

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I find this assessment dubious. (0.00 / 0)
You keep acting as though Dems haven't spent the last three years straight screwing over the public by way of enabling Republicans at every turn.  Dodd was toast, because of his ties to Wall Street and his shameful voting record in the Senate.  Dorgan is in no way progressive, if you look at his actual record (among his most recent offenses is his vote for the bailout of health insurance companies).  That's My Congress rates him at 39/100 on the progressive scale. meaning he is reliable just a little over one third of the time.  Dorgan is NOT the most progressive candidate we could have gotten from North Dakota, nor will he ever be.  Try running a progressive with a 90% rating or better before you make such dubious claims.

"Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time." -- Harry S. Truman

Actually... (0.00 / 0)
He said Dorgan is more progressive than the others we would get from ND

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How does he know? (0.00 / 0)
No one bothers to run really progressive candidates in so-called red states, so we have no way of really knowing whether or not they can win.

"Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time." -- Harry S. Truman

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Dorgan is a lot more liberal and pro-ordinary people than you think (4.00 / 1)
and is very likely the most liberal Senator we can get out of ND (aside from maybe Ed Schultz).  He's certainly to the left of Kent Conrad and Earl Pomeroy.

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Not with a 39/100 rating he's not. (0.00 / 0)
:-(

"Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time." -- Harry S. Truman

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What are Conrad's and Pomeroy's ratings? (0.00 / 0)


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At least people like you, Sirota, Green, etc. (0.00 / 0)
are now fairly regular guests on the infotainment shows that promulgate this idiocy.  

It should be easier than in the past to make this type of thinking appear as foolish as it is, and, over time, change the CW, even if only a little.    


What kind of Democrat is Richard Blumenthal? (0.00 / 0)
Cuz one corporate jackass from CT is already one too many...

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