People don't like hostage-takers: Ben Nelson, Joe Lieberman now most unpopular Senators of all

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 13:00


It is both small comfort, and an important lesson, for public option advocates that Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson have become the most unpopular and electorally imperiled members of the entire Senate.  This has happened largely because of their hostage-taking actions on the healthcare bill.

Joe Lieberman:

Joe Lieberman's actions on the health care bill antagonized constituents both for and against it, and in the wake of that he finds his approval rating at just 25% with 67% of voters in the state disapproving of him.(...)

It's clear that his actions on the Senate health care bill have made a large contribution to his falling popularity. 68% of voters say they disagree with how he handled the issue to just 19% giving him support. Among people who support the health care bill 84% say they disapprove of Lieberman's actions but even among those opposed to the initiative 52% say they disagree with how Lieberman handled himself.

This isn't the first poll showing that Lieberman took a big hit over his backstab on the public option.  Two weeks ago, CNN polling showed the exact same results, much to the mystification of D.C. political writers.

Lieberman's actions appealed to no one.  Now, he is toast, even among Republicans.  A warm body will defeat him in 2012.

Ben Nelson:

If Governor Dave Heineman challenges Nelson for the Senate job, a new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey shows the Republican would get 61% of the vote while Nelson would get just 30%. Nelson was reelected to a second Senate term in 2006 with 64% of the vote.

Nelson's health care vote is clearly dragging his numbers down. Just 17% of Nebraska voters approve of the deal their senator made on Medicaid in exchange for his vote in support of the plan.

Nelson, like Lieberman, did not make himself more popular among those who oppose the health care bill, or the public option, with his actions. Both supporters and opponents of both the health care bill and the public option were largely disgusted with what they viewed as personal power aggrandizement.

Their actions earned both Nelson and Lieberman featured appearances on Sunday D.C. talk shows, but it also made voters of all sorts loathe them.  It would appear that people don't like members of Congress who take enormous pieces of legislation hostage for personal reasons.  Nelson and Lieberman are now the most unpopular Senators in their home states in the entire country, far more unpopular than even Harry Reid, Chris Dodd or Blanche Lincoln.

All of this makes it quite amusing that ongoing hostage-taker, Bart Stupak, is strongly considering a run for Governor of Michigan.  What a fool.  It seems that he really believes that the only people who hate his hostage-taking actions are from New York City.  The Nelson and Lieberman polling quoted above shows that very few people, whether in your home state or nationally, and whether among people who agree with your positions or not, like it when members of Congress take hostages in this manner.

Man, I hope Stupak does run for Governor.  It would be an easy way to get him out of elected office altogether.  It would also be nice to see another health care hostage-taker go down in flames, mystified about why people don't like him anymore.

Finally, I think this is a lesson for public option advocates, and our high-profile hostage-taking strategy called The Progressive Block.  It seems clear to me now that a strategy like that only works if you build up public support for it (which we most definitely did not do among the Democratic primary electorate), or if the fight is far more low-profile (such as IMF funding in the Afghanistan supplemental).  High-profile hostage taking just doesn't work from the left (or, as polling shows, from the right or the center, either)  Voters of all sorts, including those on the left, just don't like it, and they will punish you given the opportunity.  It is indeed small comfort that the mendacious hostage-takers who stopped us are now wildly unpopular both at home and around the country, but it is also a warning that we would have been in the same position if we had become the hostage takers ourselves.

Chris Bowers :: People don't like hostage-takers: Ben Nelson, Joe Lieberman now most unpopular Senators of all

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Stupak for Gov. ;) (0.00 / 0)
Haha.

If he did run for gov, it would certainly turn his seat to the GOP.  Maybe that would be for the best.  I don't know.  But I recall that Stupak isn't so bad as a typical right wing GOP (which would certainly be the result as that is the only kind of GOPers Michigan has left).  Just take his leadership positions away and shift him to the ag committee or something.

Michigan has a decent bench, but not a very strong one in the U.P.

Personally, I'm for Virg Bernero at the moment for Gov.


Too bad... (4.00 / 1)
Too bad Nelson and Joementum don't realize just how much that pissed people off and decide to let the PO or at least the medicare back in the bill...

3 more years until no joe day...


Well.. (4.00 / 1)
"Finally, I think this is a lesson for public option advocates, and our high-profile hostage-taking strategy called The Progressive Block."

Actually, this did kind of work because it did have public support in a sense... The fact that the Public Option continually polled well gave the Block something to point to, and it doesn't seem like this "Block" hurt anyone in it.  The other reason for this is probably just the fact that it was a group of reps, rather than just 1 or 2 hostage-takers for their own pet issue (or in Lieberman's case, his own personal vindictiveness).


Joe's Positioning Himself For A Switch To The Republicans! (4.00 / 1)
After the 2010 election, he can switch to caucusing with Republicans and have 2 years to ingratiate himself with CT Republicans and Republican-voting Independents.

He can do this by:

1. Spend the next 2 years attacking the Obama administration at every turn for "treason" and "fiscal irresponsibility."

2. Advocate massive cuts in social spending and a huge tax-cut for the rich to "stimulate the economy."

Right now everybody hates him but remember Arlen Specter. Two years ago EVERYBODY hated him, now he's the odds on favorite to win the Democratic primary!

What happened? Arlen switched and became a reliable Democratic vote. You didn't hear a peep out of him on the health care debate, he voted for the public option and will support any bill Obama proposes this year.

Lieberman can do the same thing with Republicans.

He's slippery and mendacious enough to pull it off.

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE SNAKE! He can crawl through holes no mammal could manage.

Then in 2010 he runs as an independent again, just like in 2006 and he'll have the same insider support, and corporate sponsors. (Remember his buddy Ken Salazar campaigning for Lieberman AFTER he lost the primary)?!

Lieberman will have TONS of coverage on Fox news where he can spend 2 years talking about how the "Democratic party has abandoned bi-partisanship" and win the love from independents and endless nights with the TV babbling heads.

Lieberman may be many things, but he's a member of the CLUB! And we can't have the unwashed masses harassing the members! That wouldn't do at all!  


Disagree (4.00 / 1)
It wasn't the hostage-taking; it was damaging reform (Democrats and progressives hate you) and then voting for anything called Obama's Health Care Bill (Republicans and tea baggers hate you)

It's the crossfire on "centrists."  Progressive block reps would have been Alan Grayson-esque heroes.


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Dead on… (0.00 / 0)
...especially on the "Grayson-esque heroes" bit. Chris's post seems to be sidestepping one important point about Lieberman and Nelson: Their wanking killed a truly substantive and popular piece of legislation. Any speculation about the response to a strong Progressive Block is just that...speculation. I mean, are we really to believe that the electorate would turn on Congressmen who actually stood firm on principles that adhered to the people's wishes? That doesn't track for me, and the aftermath of Lieberman and Nelson offer me no reason to think otherwise.

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Two or three token scapegoats? (4.00 / 2)
It took a lot more than that to submarine meaningful health care reform and substitute this industry monster in it's place.

But who's accountable?  I've heard Nancy Pelosi repeatedly claim that she's been in favor of single payer for thirty years, yet single payer couldn't get scored in time for "serious" consideration.

In countless other specifics Democrats have positioned themselves to avoid responsibility for the end result.  And because the consistent response has been to capitulate rather than fight, no votes are taken, no record is made, and only a token few are held accountable.

They hope.


Chris predicted this weeks ago (4.00 / 3)
Nelson says he wants Medicaid deal for all states

Sen. Ben Nelson said Thursday he's asked Democratic leadership to extend to all states the extra Medicaid funding promised to Nebraska in the health care reform bill.

But the Democrat wouldn't say who he's spoken to regarding the so-called "Cornhusker Kickback" but he'd see to it that Nebraska doesn't get a special deal.

"At the end of the day, whatever Nebraska gets will be available to all states," Nelson said during a conference call with reporters.

Chris saw Nelson's gambit as an opportunity to get full federal funding of Medicaid to all states and Nelson has messed his bed but good for us. Well played, Senator. Hopefully someone on the Hill will grab this opening and make it happen.

An outcome that's good for progressives while hurting Nelson. That's a win-win.

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Chris, I don't understand (0.00 / 0)
Looking at those poll results, Nebraskans were upset at Ben Nelson from the right. The plurality thought he should've opposed Obama's agenda more, not less. The majority thinks that health care reform is a bad thing, not a good thing.

Ben Nelson is unpopular now, and Ben Nelson acted like a dick, but you've shown me no evidence of correlation actually being causation.

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I'm surprised there are people who oppose the health care bill AND Lieberman's weakening of it (0.00 / 0)
and I'm not sure I'm happy that's the case, since that shows a continued fixation on unimportant process matters.

While I'm very unhappy about what Lieberman did, it's not because he "took the bill hostage" but because he did so to push it to the right instead of the left. (Also, because he lied.) Like every Senator, Lieberman is well within his right to withhold his support if he's not satisfied.  If Lieberman had threatened a filibuster if there was NO Medicare buy-in/PO, I suppose I'd probably be cheering him.

In this case the process isn't what's evil, it's the outcome.  Just as a gun can be used to slaughter an innocent child or stop a rampaging murderer without casting any value judgments on the gun itself, the "hostage-taking" process can be used for both good and evil.

There are some processes that should never be used regardless of the outcome but I'm not convinced "hostage-taking" (if we can even really think of it as such) is one of them.


Thought on the filibuster (0.00 / 0)
I would like to think this through a little more but I think you could game out how this shows a potential weakness declaring that voting for cloture is the exact same as voting for the final bill.
In the past these guys could have voted for cloture and then done their sanctimonious crap and declared they just couldn't support the bill and let it get passed without them with 50 + 1. Then depending on the audience they can take credit or wash their hands. They would have still gotten their MTP time but they wouldn't have looked like such craven hostage takers as you put it. They painted themselves into a corner by declaring so early that 60 is the new 50.

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