Is Obama just a (way) smarter version of Harold Ford?

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Jan 16, 2010 at 08:00


Harold Ford is a joke.  His pandering, flip-flopping and sizzle-to-steak ratio are all legendary.  But in the end, his politics are unremarkably neo-liberal, with nothing special to distinguish them.  Take away his black skin, and he'd be a dime a dozen.  Which reminds me of a certain President I know, who has either reappointed or replicated George W. Bush's team on national security, economic policy, and education, and Bill Clinton's team--at best--on most other top issues.

With Obama's resume, there's no doubt that he's a very smart individual.  But with the great financial meltdown there's no doubt that tons of smart people can get together to do very stupid things.  So the question is, "What purpose is Obama's intelligence devoted to?  And is the end result going to be smart or stupid?"

The answer I propose is simple, perhaps too simple, but I think it serves as a good-enough first approximation:  His intelligence is devoted to being a smarter version of Harold Ford. Okay, a lot smarter version of Harold Ford.  But still, Harold Ford.

If you want a less-simple answer, then I'd say he's trying to be Booker T. Washington for 21st Century America.  Booker T. Washington is not a prominent historical figure today, but when I was in high scholld back in the 1960s, he was one of just two black figures to appear in my American history textbook.  The other was George Washington Carver.  And yes, it seemed as weird to me then as it does writing it today. Even though the were presented in a way that made them seem even more alike than their names and the timing of their lives suggested, I recognized a significant difference.  Carver was a remarkable scientist/inventor whose work helped save Southern agriculture in the wake of widespread soil depletion from cotton monocrop agriculture.

Booker T. Washington, OTOH, was an accomodationist educator and author who preached economic development within the framework of segregation.  He was very popular with northern philanthropists. Significantly less so with Northern blacks, who soon grew quite frustrated with having their tune set by the "sensible" limits of what was politically possible in Dixie.  This is not to say that Washington did no good.  He did a lot to improve the conditions of blacks in the South--but he did it under the delusion that it was leading to eventual political equality, once blacks had "proved themselves" to the racist white power structure of the South, something that was never going to happen.  What's more, he emerged as a national figure (with his 1895 "Atlanta Compromise" Speech) at precisely the moment when segregation was being politically consolidated--at precisely the historical moment when black acquiescence was most valuable to the Southern power structure.

So, too, today, when Republican rule has culminated in every conceivable form of disaster, Obama comes along to preach the virtues of accomodation with the purveyors of sweeping and systemic failure, and all of their failed philosophies and schemes: the failed deregulatory philosophy, the failed trickle-down economics, the failed war on terrror philosophy, the failed standardized testing and school privatization philosophy, etc., etc., etc.

And so I have to ask, in all seriousness: Is Obama just a (lot) smarter version of Harold Ford?  Or is he something more?  Because if he is something more, I'll be damned if can see it.

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Good comparison. (4.00 / 7)
I'd say Obama is smarter and sneakier.  As I listened to the unions on their conversation with Obama, they keep saying he "didn't realize" the impact on the middle class.  WTF!   Unions got suckered by Clinton. One would think they have smartened up some.  

He's the best we're allowed to have. (4.00 / 1)
Anyone better than Obama would be crushed by the establishment. Dean was clearly "electable" on his own terms. But the military-industrial-media complex has veto power in this country and he was unacceptable to them so they took him out. We only get as much progressivism as our rulers allow, and even then it's only to come in and clean up after the conservatives.

miasmo.com

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I had also made this observation (4.00 / 7)
in a comment yesterday
http://www.openleft.com/showCo...
The very fact that we are even discussing this issue shows how profoundly dishonest the Obama campaign was. Whatever the fine print was, there was never an inkling that Obama's administration would be so bad that we were discussing whether Obama and Ford may be related.

I believe Obama is genuine and that he believed (0.00 / 0)
what he campaigned on.

He is ill served by staff he has hired.  But that is his choice and he gets the consequences of it.


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which part of what he campaigned on has he not tried to deliver (4.00 / 5)
his staff was appointed by him and are to a large extent carrying out his agenda within the context of what he's operating him.  the 'blame the staff' approach only works in the context of critiquing staff hirings.  and as noted before, the buck stops with him.

anyway, my main point is that he's more conservative than i had hoped in many respects, slightly less in others, and aboveall a disappointment.  can't blame it on his staff - they're part of his administration.


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"which part of what he campaigned on..." (4.00 / 1)
Just off the top of my head.:

Transparency. Shutting out lobbyists. Public option. No mandates. No excise tax on "cadillac" plans.

miasmo.com


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aren't you holding him to an absurdly high standard in the context of american politics? (0.00 / 0)
in contrast to, say, bush or reagan promising fiscal responsibility or clinton promising any kind of decency towards working classes, i think in the specifics obama ran more or less on what he has said, barring the lies told from specific exigencies (e.g. the NAFTA thing).

on the other hand, your absurdly high standard - which Obama and his campaign created - is imo the correct one to apply - i just don't want to pretend that his staff is to blame and really if we only had Sam Walton, if we only had the 'real Obama' who was not trapped by his staff - that we would be fine.  This is the real Obama and to a remarkable degree consistent in his policies if not his message.

My main point is - name a politician that does't campaign against lobbyists and special interests in the u.s. and then turn around and get in bed with them?  Could he have done it less so or even actually stood on his word?  Sure.  But I think the sell out to the finance sector is a much bigger deal than feelings of betrayal because people expected the head of the american state to start acting idealistically.


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or to put it more succinctly (0.00 / 0)
i hope you didn't vote for him and/or support him because you thoguht he was going to change things dramatically - i hope you did so because the prospect of four more years of republican rule and a possible palin presidency would have plunged the world (not just the u.s.) into a state of disrepair for the history books.

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"If only the tsar knew...." (4.00 / 12)
....what his ministers are doing in his name....

Please.

My most charitable interpretation is that he has been unnerved by the scale of the challenges he is facing, and wants to absolve himself of responsibility for economic policy in particular by letting Wall Street run the show.  If so, he may be getting some inkling of how incompetent and destructive the Wall Street crowd are now.  Or maybe not.

My least charitable interpretation is that he is a wholly unscrupulous Chicago pol and a phony, who is interested in one thing only, acquiring power and holding onto it.  And since Wall Street is the biggest player in determining who has power, they call the shots.

Funny thing is, it doesn't matter which interpretation is closer to the truth.  For the peons among us, the result, and the level of frustration, is the same.


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"it doesn't matter which interpretation is closer to the truth. " (0.00 / 0)
That is the "actionable" nugget of truth right there. It doesn't really matter so far as strategery for the progressive community is concerned. Our task is to oppose policies that suck and bring as much heat from the left as possible and persuade more of the public and work the refs in the media, etc. etc. etc.

It would be nice to be able to look into Obama's soul (as Bush did with Putin.) But it's kind of beside the point.

miasmo.com


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One no-brainer (0.00 / 0)
is to give not one dime through any official Party organization (DNC, DCCC, DSCC, etc.) Use act blue, etc. We need that money to support real progressives, not "centrists."

miasmo.com

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Another way to look at it (4.00 / 2)
Perhaps another way to understand this dichotomy is think in Orwellian terms: war is peace, right is wrong and, dare I say it, black is white? Duplicity is the most heinous of guises because you seem never to know with whom you are speaking? The Obama-Ford phenomonon is a a giant game of "Gotcha!".  

Isn't Obama more like an Edsel Ford? (4.00 / 6)
Starting with great fanfare and a lot of marketing hype, but then being plagued by problems, making more and more consumers wary of the product, and finally becoming a laughingstock, after only a few years? The similarity even shows in his administration, where "every day something else leaks" (EDSEL)!

Or more like the Pinto. (0.00 / 0)
It was just like the Edsel only it also burst into flames.  Another thought that came to my mind is that Obama is just a way, way smarter version of George W. Bush.  

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A smarter Bush? (4.00 / 2)
Nah.  A bizzarro world Bush, IQ 145, would not have run for president in the first place, since all his businesses would not have failed and he'd be too busy making money.  Also, no Daddy inferiority complexes to overcome, and not so dimwitted as to fall for the ego stroking by the party money men looking for a sellable figurehead to let them loot the treasury.

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You Have A Point, But... (4.00 / 1)
To the extent that Bush is more sociopathic than dumb a higher IQ wouldn't have done him much good.  Sociopaths generally aren't very successful in life, due to lack of interest in anything long-term.  Winning in the moment is the only thing that truly interests them, and most of them easily get bored, even with that.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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That's a pretty good description of politicians "Winning in the moment" (0.00 / 0)
David Korten in his book "The Great Turning" differentiates between poor sociopaths and better off ones.  Poor sociopaths end up in jail.  Better off ones end up in Washington.
We have a lot of "winning in the moment" types in D.C.  Garret Keizer wrote a great Harper's piece called "Crapshoot; Everybody Loses When Politics is a Game."  It has a similar theme of the "player" who cannot rest and does not know the natural rhythms of work and rest. The player has no affinity with the worker.

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Huh (0.00 / 0)
Sociopaths generally aren't very successful in life

Wall Street. Sociopathy is not terribly complicated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Psychopathy_vs._sociopathy), but Bush could have multiple issues and whatnot to go along with it.

To the extent that Bush is more sociopathic than dumb a higher IQ wouldn't have done him much good.

Bush seems much more of a narcissist. (And Cheney is much more of a paranoid.)

If he's a sociopath, he's a standard-issue DC sociopath, since most of them seem to be like that. And he isn't stupid, as opposed to intellectually-disengaged/incurious, he just doesn't care about about anything but baseball and elections. He's got the narcisssism thing down. There's a real issue around Obama being 'well-spoken' and Bush being not 'well-spoken', but if you look at the track record, Bush seems to be better at politics than Obama. (That is, he succeeded far more at implementing policies than Obama seems to be doing - but Obama's track record is incomplete.)

At any rate, the observation about Obama being a higher-rent version of Ford occurred to me as soon as they started talking about Ford's track record. He really doesn't seem to have any core beliefs, or if he does, they appear to be the kind you pick up at Harvard Law.

Unfortunately, the political flexibility that would come from being Ford-like is serious hemmed in by his choice in advisors, which means they've gotten themselves into a self-reinforcing loop. Obama picks Wall Street types to run the show because he thinks that's pretty much OK, and then they come back and tell him he's doing fine and everything is OK, and Oh, he can't do anything liberal.

Very bubbleland, and given the various political utterances I've heard of late, I am coming to think that they don't really have a clue what's going on outside of the cable TV news loop.

max
['And why would they?']



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how are we talking about sociopaths without mentioning clinton? (0.00 / 0)
i sort of saw bush as a dupe.  i would have preferred if he hadn't been, but then, he wouldn't have been in the position he was in if he hadn't been (see: Chomsky).  Clinton, Cheney, Rove - these folks on the other hand - well...

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how are we talking about sociopaths without mentioning clinton? (0.00 / 0)
i sort of saw bush as a dupe.  i would have preferred if he hadn't been, but then, he wouldn't have been in the position he was in if he hadn't been (see: Chomsky).  Clinton, Cheney, Rove - these folks on the other hand - well...

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Yah but, (0.00 / 0)
We are still in two wars and escalting one of them.  We still can't afford entitlements but we can afford WS bailouts.  We are still protecting torturers, and chanting 911 and terror.  We still haven't raised taxes on the rich, and we are shifting the burden of health care to the middleclass.  And last but not least, we are cutting Medicare and planning to "reform" Social Security.  When we hear "reform" and "while it isn't perfect", we still need to grab our wallets and run.   They really do have much in common.  

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Obama is the opposite of Bush (4.00 / 1)
Intelligent, when Bush is a moron.  Cautious, when Bush rushes into things.  Contemplative, when Bush goes with what he believes in his gut to be right.

Amusingly, people want Obama to be more openly antagonistic and defiant like Bush.

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Differences In Termperament Only Get You So Far (4.00 / 8)
Besides, it's simply not true that Bush is a moron.  He shows definite signs of sociopathy, which can easily be misinterpreted that way, since sociopaths lack normal patterns of engagement.

I don't think people really feel a need for Obama to be "openly antagonist".  Just side with the American people instead of the banksters and corporate cartels.   It's not his manner, it's his allegiances that are the primary problem.

Ditto re siding with criminals rather than the rule of law.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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But it's also simply not true that Bush is a genius. (0.00 / 0)
Nothing, really nothing in his biography gives any evidence of high intelligence. He's like a sly used car salesman (and I apologize to this profession, no unfair generalization intended): Above average intelligence on the social sector is coupled with very weak intellectual curiosity, limited verbal skills, insufficient competence for abstract reasoning, and a dire inability to overcome his deeply rooted ideological blinders.

So, of course not a moron, but not really high above that level, either. Kind of like a one trick pony, and the trick is being likeable to many different people. His success is based on much smarter people who played him like puppeteers, and that may lead some observers astray. Imho no reason to defend his intelligence, really.


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Results talk, all else is conversation (4.00 / 2)
And what has his intelligence, caution and contemplation yielded us, or is likely to? Skinny Buddha better get off that mountain of his and get his hands dirty real soon and actually do some of the things he was elected to do!

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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Can you fix the "Atlanta Compromise" speech link? (4.00 / 1)


Fixed (4.00 / 1)


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Cue BooMan(or others) .. (4.00 / 2)
lumping you in with FDL in ...  3 ... 2 .. 1 .

Music by America, Inc. Lyrics by Barack Obama. (4.00 / 6)
When duplicity is almost universally thought to be a valuable, even indispensable tool of political persuasion, we inevitably wind up wasting a lot of time and energy puzzling over the psychology of lying and liars when we might otherwise be discussing actual policy.

No one likes to be in the position of reading tea leaves, of parsing political reality on the basis of information which is third-hand at best, and might very well be tainted by the very process of gathering it. For one thing, we give the impression that we're simply being impolite -- psychoanalyzing our opponents rather than arguing with them -- and for another, it makes us look like idiots on those occasions when our speculations, however much we hedge them, are later proven to be wildly off the mark.

This suits politicians perfectly, of course. Or confusion allows them a freedom of action which they otherwise wouldn't have, and our ignorance gives them all sorts of levers which they can use to move public scrutiny away from areas where it might cause them embarrassment.

This is frustrating, and frankly, it pisses me off. I know as well as anyone how the world works, or whatever other smug euphemism is currently in vogue, but I also know that it needn't work this way. How the world works is precisely what anyone with any sense wants to change. The rest is a sideshow -- necessary, but not sufficient to put an end to the sad circus which currently passes for American politics.


Agreed, But (4.00 / 2)
When duplicity is almost universally thought to be a valuable, even indispensable tool of political persuasion, we inevitably wind up wasting a lot of time and energy puzzling over the psychology of lying and liars when we might otherwise be discussing actual policy.

It seems to be an Elizabeth Kubler-Ross kind of thing.  Folks just have to go through the stages.

In the meantime, I'll continue trying to serve up a mix of diaries dealing with both. (See my more recent diary on city budget deficits.)

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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If only.... (4.00 / 2)
I wasn't thinking of your post, Paul, I was thinking of the how do you know the President is lying? He might just be biding his time apologetics that inevitably follow impertinent observations like yours -- or mine -- about the dear leader's accomplishments to date.

We have to argue honestly about real things (as your post above on the budget shortfall in cities does in admirable, and pretty much irrefutable detail,) and we also have to call 'em the way we see 'em about the gap between perceived reality and official rhetoric. What response to Pravda is there, after all, but Krokodil? Still, the accusations of lèse majesté which seem to follow any reference to the President's psychology have always given me the creeps. I figured that this time I'd try to get the jump on them.


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Kubler-Ross indeed (4.00 / 8)
and to be honest, I am heartened that the process is moving as fast as it is. I thought it would take 3-4 years to get to where we are today after only one year. People are smart and they do learn.

Montani semper liberi

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proof by demonstration (0.00 / 0)
When duplicity is almost universally thought to be a valuable, even indispensable tool of political persuasion, we inevitably wind up wasting a lot of time and energy puzzling over the psychology of lying and liars when we might otherwise be discussing actual policy.

Or you could be Stephen Colbert :)  Or Jon Stewart for that matter.  When the problem is that the discourse is constructed to yield pravda/american-mainstream-media style results, then you have to engage at a discursive level while you talk about policy.  unfortunately.

but that's where we're at.  it woudl be wishful thinking to pretend that we can talk about policy (it's in fact quite weird to believe that - i'm in the uk and it came as something of a shock to me :)


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I wouldn't compare Obama to Booker T. Washington… (4.00 / 4)
Obama doesn't seem to believe that up-by-your-bootstraps nonsense. He's not telling the middle-class, say, that they'll be on the road to easy street once rich people decide they're hardworking and deserving. Even if we don't like Obama's stewardship of the economic recovery (so far) and healthcare reform, his rhetoric indicates that he understands that there are very real things wrong with the structure of American society. I haven't quite given up on him yet, if for no other reason than that the struggles emerging over these base issues/initiatives are allowing the public more than a glimpse of how compromised and dysfunctional Washington is. I think that's gonna push debate/policy/whatever further than it would have under any of the country's other electoral choices in 2008.


"This ain't for the underground. This here is for the sun." -Saul Williams

Don't Sell Booker T. Short (4.00 / 4)
He, too, realized that there "very real things wrong with the structure of American society."  In fact, he privately helped fund civil rights litigation.  He just thought that a publicly non-confrontational approach was the best way to change things over the long-term, oblivious to the fact that this just made things vastly simpler for the forces of the status quo.

Two peas.  One pod.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Understood, but if we're talking about rhetoric… (4.00 / 1)
...I'm not sure Obama's gonna leave us with anything quite as counterproductive as "up by your bootstraps." We'll see...

"This ain't for the underground. This here is for the sun." -Saul Williams

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I guess it all comes down to how the midterms shape out (0.00 / 0)
Perhaps if 2010 becomes a bloodbath, but still a trifecta, you will see an Obama on the ropes actually looking to change things.  The thing that politicians value most, after all, is survival--and if Obama sees disaster ahead, there is a chance that his self-preservation instincts will kick in.  

Particularly if Reid loses, and we move on with Majority Leader Durbin.  


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Beliefs vs Actions (4.00 / 1)
Obama is understood best if you first understand that he is a very cautious man. His sincerity and passion comes through in his rhetoric. Unfortunately his actions are tempered by his caution and fear of failure.  

Harold Ford Jr. is (0.00 / 0)
Ben Nelson in Barack Obama's body.

Very strange (4.00 / 1)
George Washington Carver was a fraud and his "scientific achievements" were pretty well undocumented bragging with almost no scientific significance - especially the idea that he recreated the South with his inventions.

http://1heckofaguy.com/2008/02...


Hmmm (0.00 / 0)
Well, I have to admit that I've never followed up on Carver since I was in high school, so I appreciate the link.  But my in-the-moment impressions still stand: the accomplishments he was touted for when I was in high school actually made sense to me, while those attributed to Washington did not.

Side note: Carter's faith in a solution for every problem may have been rooted in religious faith, but that sort of technological faith seems to have a quasi-religious independent dynamic of its own as well.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Wasn't that form of optimistic outward-looking faith (4.00 / 3)
quite popular during the first progressive era, from the late 19th century up to the eve of WWI, when lots of smart and accomplished people believed that science, engineering and a "can do" attitude could literally solve every problem facing mankind, like war, poverty, disease, inequality, etc., making Carver's having such faith non-exceptional among his peers?

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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Yes, It Was Fairly Widespread (0.00 / 0)
And not just limited to progressives.  One could say it was equally true of Marxism as it was perceived by many adherents who embraced it in quasi-religious ways.  It was very much part of the overall Zeitgeist, crossing over various different ideological lines.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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IIRC it also extended to corporatists, conservatives and imperialists (0.00 / 0)
Who believed that capitalism, be it regulated or not, along with science, could solve all of mankind's problems. E.g. the belief that economically thriving countries/empires couldn't possibly go to war with each other because it would be bad for the bottom line.

And then the guns of August changed all that

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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Just to be clear (0.00 / 0)
I was more focused on two earlier pieces, not so much the religiosity:

http://1heckofaguy.com/2008/02...

http://1heckofaguy.com/2008/02...

I think it's something huge to consider, how people get their status in our society, our shared suspension of disbelief, whether it's of Obama or Sarah Palin or George W Bush. As the author notes, anyone who does the bare minimum research on George Washington Carver will find he was an empty suit, or at least a hugely unsuccessful one in his field. But in terms of fame and unbridled self-promotion he was a huge success. And if we're laughing at others for their ability to see the Emperor's New Clothes, we have to think of ourselves when we paint our own overhyped heroes in furious rose-colored tints.

If you were in the place of any of these 4 frauds, would you announce you were a fraud or keep cashing the paychecks? If someone walks into a used car lot saying he just heard there's a great car someone recommended called "The Lemon", is it the car salesman's fault?


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I wouldn't compare Obama (and Washington) to Ford (0.00 / 0)
In the sense that I think Barack Obama and Booker T. Washington have/had legitimate concern for the well-being of people and I have strong doubts about Harold Ford feeling the same way.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both

One Can Argue Intentions All You LIke (4.00 / 3)
But at some point results have to come into the picture.

Obama's economic policies have been really bad for average Americans, but they've been far worse for minorities.  So I'm not really clear what difference his supposed intentions make in all this.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I'm not sure if minorities would agree with you (0.00 / 0)
A recent Pew poll (taken in Oct/Nov 2009) has 39% of blacks saying that they are better off than they were five years ago, compared with 20% in 2007.  32% of blacks say their personal finances are good/excellent, compared to 27% in 2006.

I suppose you can argue that African-Americans have drank the Obama Kool-Aid and don't understand the numbers or economics or the big picture like you do.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both


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A terrible comparison (0.00 / 0)
I see nothing comparable in these two, including the incredible difference in their verbal and mental abilities.

I know it's going around that Obama is a failure and a capitalist tool. But I did appreciate Rachel Maddow's listing of the accomplishments in the first year of the Obama administration beside which virtually all other presidents pale, excepting, as I recall FDR who also inherited similar circumstances.

I think you are missing Obama's ability to stick it to republicans in a way that is often subtle (he is a master 'needler' never outright, but pretty tough nonetheless). In one short year he has managed to show the Republicans as repellent, backwards, obstructionists without ever having to yell simply by acting as if he were trying to accommodate them, knowing they would never go along.

The real accommodationist was Harry Reid, fooled by his friendships with Lieberman and Snowe.


Obama's Accomplishments Are WAY Overblown (4.00 / 2)
More on this in another diary later today.  Suffice it to say that Bill Clinton did almost as well in 1993/94 by the Congressional Quarterly metric Rachel wrapped her story around.  So whole tablespoons of salt are required for proper dosing.

I think you are missing Obama's ability to stick it to republicans in a way that is often subtle (he is a master 'needler' never outright, but pretty tough nonetheless). In one short year he has managed to show the Republicans as repellent, backwards, obstructionists without ever having to yell simply by acting as if he were trying to accommodate them, knowing they would never go along.

All of which has accomplished what exactly?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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His "big" accomplishments (4.00 / 3)
Came during his first few months and basically consisted of signing bills that the Dem leadership in congress could have passed and in some cases did pass under Bush, but which his threatened and actual vetoes made impossible to enact into law. E.g. Ledbetter, SCHIP. TARP happened under Bush, the drawdown in Iraq probably would have happened no matter who won, as would have some sort of stimulus bill. Not that there haven't been other accomplishments, but they're all small bore and hardly proportionate to either his campaign rhetoric or the needs of the times--or to the political reality that he inherited (and promised to change via Kumbapolitics, but only fools really bought that).

But hey, he's committed to transparency, civility and closing Gitmo, so it's all good!

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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"he has managed to show the Republicans as..." (4.00 / 2)
They manage that quite well on their own. They ruled for eight years and fucked up everything. The public figured that out by Nov 2008. Are you going to give Obama credit for gravity too?

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Did they show it while they held the power? (0.00 / 0)
Just curious to what extent you think Americans saw Republicans as obtuse obstructionists during Bush's reign, when they were doing just what they do now, but under cover of "Americans agree with us."

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His roomates and social circle at harvard (0.00 / 0)
became powerful neoliberals.  He was a professor at the University of Chicago.  The neoliberals and the shock doctrinists are just his crowd.  The political establishment uses minorities to make itself look more fair than it is.  Barney Frank is another minority to often covers for the wall street establishment.

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Bayh and Biden were the VP finalists (4.00 / 6)
If Obama was white Harold Ford might've made the short list...

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Bingo! n/t (4.00 / 1)


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I voted for Hillary (4.00 / 3)
but that was always my fear -- that she would put Ford on the ticket. Shudder.

Montani semper liberi

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Yeah (0.00 / 0)
And Bayh is about the worst piece of of conservadem DLC "centrist" crap to come down the pike in a long time. Especially since Lieberman is no longer a Democrat (except in Obama's mind) and Ben Nelson is hardly even a Dem.  

I think Obama probably wanted Bayh, but realized that selecting him would have made the shit sandwich he was about to force down the liberals throats just too hard to swallow.


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A classic case of form over function (4.00 / 5)
No one could seriously deny that he LOOKS and SOUNDS good at what he's doing. It's just WHAT he's doing that sucks, for the most part. And I think that that's the result of his placing form over function, at least in terms of advancing progressive policy. I.e. he'll pass whatever progressive policies that he can, so long as he doesn't have to break a sweat or look like he's struggling with the establishment to do it. I'm not saying that he hasn't cut major deals with the establishment to get into power. It's just that he also appears to be strongly motivated by the need to look good ALWAYS. Which is Harold Ford to a tee.

Smart, weak, unprincipled and vain. Lovely.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


this misunderstands both Obama and Washington... (0.00 / 0)
The comparison of Obama and Booker T. Washington is right, but I think this is a severe misunderstanding of both Obama's and Washington's aims and methods.  In fact, this blog post attempts to recreate some of the disagreements between W.E.B. DuBois and Booker T. Washington, when I'm not sure there were any disagreements, at least not from Washington's side.

I don't think that Booker T. Washington was an accomodationist.  As you mention, he secretly funded civil rights litigation.  How can anyone who funds civil rights litigation be called a accomodationist?  Washington strongly disagreed with civil rights policies of the day.  The evidence strongly suggests that Washington believed that his role was to work within a severely flawed system to create real change for southern blacks (which were almost all blacks at the time - few blacks came north until World War I).  In contrast, W.E.B. DuBois's role was to fight the racist system from the outside.  

Your mistake in this essay is to see the roles of Booker T. Washington and W.E.B. DuBois as substitutes, with DuBois's role as superior.  I believe that Booker T. Washington's and W.E.B. DuBois's roles complemented each other in the (continuing) struggle for African-American progress.  As you say yourself, Washington did a lot of good.  There was a need for an African-American leader to build bridges with and raise money from the white power structure, and Washington performed that role.  There was also a need for someone to lead a fight against the racist power structure, and DuBois (and the NAACP) performed that role.  Those roles are complementary and both are necessary for social progress.

Obama is similar - as the president his role is to change the system from the inside.  By that, he has to accept the flawed assumptions of the system until he can change them one by one.  I think Obama is doing a good job in that role, but the American system of government is so broken that his job is difficult.  He needs (and we need) an army of W.E.B. DuBoises to change the flawed system from the outside.

Right now the left is failing in its mission to create the atmosphere needed for dramatic social change.  Obama supports us, but he can't help us if we aren't willing or able to help ourselves.  We should criticize Obama from the left, but our criticisms should not be criticisms of bad faith (as I see in both this article and many of the comments to it).  Instead, our criticisms should be designed to move the Overton Window to the left and create the space for reforms to the American system.  We should advocate and organize for left-leaning policies, by any non-violent means necessary.  

Some activists understand this.  Al Giordano (The Field) really understands what this means, if you read his writings.  Drug reform advocates are starting to get it, as they press for state-based marijuana legalization.  Notice that Obama has allowed this, even where it conflicts with federal law.  We can create change in other areas as well, but we need to do it with our votes and our efforts.  Cynicism isn't going to accomplish anything.


I.e. 11D Chess + "Leave Obama Alone!" (4.00 / 3)
Plus a large helping of equating calling it like we see it (because that's how it actually IS) with lazy knee-jerk cynicism, negativism and defeatism.

And I suppose that cutting fat deals with AHIP and PhRMA and kissing the asses of Nelson, Lieberman and Snowe was part of that whole "reform politics from the inside" thingee?

Yeah, we're the problem and Obama is the solution.

Nice.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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what is your plan to give people health insurance? (0.00 / 0)
Damn, did you even read what I wrote above?  I said that we SHOULD criticize the president from the left!  We have to both criticize and organize if we're going to get anything done.

So, what is your plan to give people health insurance?  Folks out there really need help and we need to find a way to give it to them.  The current plan will give 30 million people health insurance that wouldn't otherwise have it.  I don't really like the plan (I'd rather extend Medicare to everyone), but at least it's something that will pass and will help people.

Right now, our political system is broken.  The GOP has decided that they would rather shut down the legislature than let Obama pass anything.  So, we need to fight to end the filibuster and democratize our political system and our society.  I'm not seeing anything in either this article or your response that contributes to that.


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They will go back to reconciliation. (4.00 / 1)
Maybe then they'll be forced to do it right.  But they'll never do it that way unless we force them.  After all, think of all the corporate donations they'll lose if they actually do something for the people.

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
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we don't have the votes for that... (0.00 / 0)
We don't have the votes to go to get anything decent out of reconciliation.  We should - but we don't.  For one thing, we don't have the votes in the House to pass anything decent.  We barely passed health care reform in the House as it is.  Using budget reconciliation requires relatively simple bills that fit in the budget, and health care reform as it is currently written is anything but simple.

Ironically, Medicare for All would fit under reconciliation.  However, we don't have the votes for it in the House.  I'm pretty sure Obama would pass Medicare for All if it passed both houses.  But, we're nowhere close to even having majority support in the House for Medicare for All, let alone in the Senate.  It's a real shame.


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We didn't have 50 votes in the senate? (4.00 / 4)
We didn't have 218 votes in the house, provided that Pelosi & Co. wanted to pass something better and actually knew what they were doing? Nonsense. This was a failure of will, spine and skill at the leadership level, not of a lack of votes at the rank and file level.

Stupak outplayed Pelosi in the house, as did Nelson & Lieberman with Reid & Obama in the senate. And you know what? I wouldn't at all be surprised if this was by design, given Obama's obviously being in the pockets of PhRMA and AHIP. The whole "we didn't have the votes" line was a convenient and self-evident cover for "We're just doing what our biggest campaign donors told us to do".

Non-cynical = stupid in politics.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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You are being willfully dishonest here (4.00 / 3)
There have been COUNTLESS diaries and comments offering "plans" for how Obama & Dems could have passed a vastly better health care bill had they had the will, brains and spine to do so, and my not specifically citing them for the gazillionth time does not mean that they don't exist or that I haven't advocated for some of them. Your suggestion/implication that the bill that we're likely to get was the best POSSIBLE plan under current political conditions is sheer BS, and I sincerely hope that you don't actually believe this.

But, if you insist, threatening asshole scumbag piece of shit holdouts like Nelson and Lieberman with reconciliation or breaking the filibusterf--and being willing to actually going through with it if they were stupid enough to call such a bluff--could have accomplished that. It's called hardball politics, which is invariably the ONLY kind of politics that works (but you're welcome to cite non-existant examples to the contrary).

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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I think we agree more than we disagree here... (0.00 / 0)
Actually, I think that we agree more than we disagree here.  We should have threatened the special interests with passing Medicare for All and then went through with it if the GOP filibustered.  But, unfortunately, the organizing work for that hasn't been done.  There simply aren't the votes for that in either house, and a large part of that is because we haven't done the organizing work to make that happen.  That's not Obama's fault, though - he did more than enough organizing to become the first African-American president.  We need to push our representatives to do the right thing and give health care to everyone who lives in the United States.  This flawed health care bill nothwithstanding, we can still do that on both the state and federal level, getting legislators to support single payer.  Strong efforts for that are taking place in CA and PA, and we need to extend those efforts to other states as well.

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I don't deny that the left is still too poorly organized and unforceful (4.00 / 1)
and didn't push Obama & Dems enough. But that hardly excuses him and them from having failed to push for the maximally achieveable outcomes possible within the current political situation, which they did not. "You didn't push us hard enough to do better" is a child's defense of childish behavior.

I don't buy the excuse that they did the best that they reasonably could have within existing political realities. They didn't do the absolute worst, but they didn't come anywhere near the best. Instead, they shot for what they saw as a safe and easy middle ground which if anything leaned towards the worst end of the spectrum of political possibility and policy outcomes. Ironically, it wasn't at all easy, and hasn't even been safe, given their sinking political fortunes.

They screwed the pooch here, on policy and politics. But I do agree that the only way to prevent that in the future is for the left to be better organized and more effectively forceful.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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When (0.00 / 0)
are we getting married?

Extraordinary progressive star in the making

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It would seem to me (4.00 / 2)
That you just agreed with about everything Paul said and then tried to substitute your own opinion which is antithetical.   As kovie points out, it is pretty hard to use the facts to convince us we are wrong.  You are entitled to be an accomodationist, but don't hold faith or breath for too long that we'll be converted by this argument.  

The only debate I would have with Rosenberg is that there is no evidence that Obama is smarter than Harold Ford.  They are both Corporate Carpetbaggers.  Obama just hasn't been caught with a blonde hooker.  As far as I know.

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
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I agree with parts of what Paul said... (0.00 / 0)
You know, I agree with parts of what Paul said and disagree with other parts.  The world isn't black and white - you can agree and disagree with someone at the same time if the argument is complicated.  In that sense, what I wrote speaks for itself.

I wouldn't call myself an "accommodationist" - I've spent a good bit of my spare time over the last seven years organizing against government abuses - including volunteering for the Democratic Party, the ACLU, Amnesty International, and against the death penalty (I'm currently Vice-President of the Board for the Connecticut Network to Abolish the Death Penalty - www.cnadp.org)  I think our system of government - including our Constitution - sucks.  I'd be perfectly happy to rip down our system of government and start over.  But, that's not happening anytime soon.  So, we have to organize like hell to make our government more responsive to justice and the needs of the people.


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Well, Booker T. Washington Might Agree With You (4.00 / 3)
WEB DuBois, not so much.

Historically, of course, DuBois started out in agreement and support of Washington, based on this very analysis.  But DuBois was constantly revising his ideas in response to new developments, and he soon came to sharply disagree.  The results were first the Niagara Movement, then the NAACP.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Listen...I've criticized Obama many times but (0.00 / 0)
you're crazy if you think him and Harold Ford are anything close to being alike. Ford is waaay more conservative, he's currently running against the healthcare plan and is opposing the tax on the banks. Even as a political analyst, when you're most free to espouse your true beliefs, he's been critcial of Obama doing anything substantive and has basically been parrotting republican talking points. Like someone posted above, I genuinely don't think Ford cares for the poor or the middle class at all, let alone preaching policy prescriptions to help those people. Bottom line is Harold Ford is barely even a democrat, and calling him a neoliberal is an insult to neoliberals.  

I guess you're giving Ford credit (4.00 / 1)
For actually legislating for what he said he would.  Are you suggesting that Obama is better because he doesn't?

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
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No..i'm saying their rhetoric and records are far different (4.00 / 1)
Obama's rhetoric and public policy positions have always been to the left of Ford, and by a considerable margin. Obama's record in the Senate was also considerably to the left of Ford, although in Ford's defense he was in a relatively conservative district, although that should really not change behavior. Lastly, Ford has already publicly said he would not support healthcare reform, cap & trade, any strict financial regulation, and would only be for a jobs bill that relied solely on tax cuts. He's basically parroted a republican.

If we are to assume, as history would suggest, that one becomes more cautious and conservative as a President than they would be as a commentator, its scary to imagine what policies this guy would be pushing if he were president. Ford as a commentator is far to the right of Obama as President, it isn't even close.  


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I think (4.00 / 1)
we find ourself on swampy terrain and invite misunderstanding when non-African Americans take strong positions about the dynamics of race in the African American community.

I'm a white male and when it comes to issues regarding, say,  what should African Americans find racist or racially insensitive, or how is Obama perceived with regard to his race or ethnicity, I think it's wise to defer to the people who've actually experienced those situations first hand.

So, from that limited perspective, trying to connect possible dots between such far flung figures as Harold Ford, Barack Obama and Booker T Washington is certainly an eyebrow raiser, if that's what you're going for, Paul. But it also seems unnecessarily provocative and stretching a point in order to make it.

Obama is pretty much in his own category, as far as I can tell. He's a man whose father (who he never knew) was a highly educated black Kenyan, whose mother was a white woman with what might be described as a romantic outlook on life, and he was raised to a significant degree by white middle-class grandparents from Kansas. In Hawaii!

Obama's campaign touting abstract notions of "Hope" and Change" and his oratorial style simultaneously evoked both home spun Mid West reserve and the fiery dignity of a Martin Luther King, with a tad of Malcolm X and "Imagine" era John Lennon thrown in for good measure.

All told, this is a great deal more complex and "postmodern" than a hack like Harold Ford could ever dream of, and certainly has little to do with the situation BT Washington found himself in.  

Obama's an amazing figure, and to this point an amazingly disappointing one, for sure.  


You've Got To Make Up Your Mind (0.00 / 0)
Either this is a black thing that a white boy can't understand, or else Obama is a unique figure in his own category.  You can't have it both ways.

I think both arguments are hopeless flawed.  But I'll be damned if I do your work for you.  First you chose which flawed argument you want to go with, then I'll respond.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I think Obama wants to help people (*as much as he thinks is possible within the political limits that he perceives*) (0.00 / 0)
whereas I think Harold Ford doesn't give two shits about anyone but himself.  I think their motivations for being in politics are different.

But as far as their complete acceptance of the limitations on political power in this country are concerned, yes, they're the same.  Obama's sense of who does and will control our politics is pretty much the same as Harold Ford's.  They might disagree on who should, but as long as Obama is convinced that the ruling class shall control our politics that is moot.


On Race (0.00 / 0)
While I don't think this post is racist, I am always a little put off when black politicians are always compared to other black politicians (or black athletes are always compared to other black athletes - you'd probably never find a black college basketball touted as the "next Christian Laettner" or the next "Tom Gugiliotta" even if their games were similar).

You've Got A Point (0.00 / 0)
with respect to casual comparisons.

But this isn't a casual comparison.

It's specifically about seeing beyond comparing Obama to the usual suspects, since Booker T. Washington no longer is one of the usual suspects.  Rather, he's a reminder of the actual history of how blacks in the pre-Civil Rights era used to adapt to harsh political conditions--the very opposite of how Obama's presidency is generally interpreted.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Where's DuBois? (0.00 / 0)
That's not just a comment about your post :)

All Over The Place (0.00 / 0)
He changed repeatedly, always trying something different.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of a simple mind (0.00 / 0)
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