Health care state of play, post-Massachusetts edition

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 14:39


The fate of health care reform is very much in flux after Scott Brown's victory in the Massachusetts special election last night.   For example, the House leadership has cancelled a scheduled caucus meeting on health care today, opting instead for meeting with individual members.  As such, take all of these developments as very, very tentative.

  1. Chop up the bill into many different parts?  Some House members, such as John Yarmuth and Bill Delahunt, are suggesting the health care bill should be broken up into several parts, with separate votes on each.  The current line from the leadership is that idea isn't on the table:

    "That's off the table at this point," a Democratic leadership aide said of breaking up healthcare reform into smaller bills - such as a standalone ban on the denial of private health coverage for pre-existing conditions - and gradually chipping away at the myriad issues Democrats have identified as plaguing the healthcare system.

  2. Pass the Senate bill through the House, improve it in reconciliation?  What does seem to be on the table is pushing the Senate bill through the House, and then improving it through the budget reconciliation process.  Senate Budget committee chairman Kent Conrad appears open to the idea:

    The Senate Budget Committee Chairman said Wednesday he's willing to use special rules to force a final healthcare bill through with a simple majority vote.

    Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) made clear his openness to applying budget reconciliation to healthcare, a position he opposed prior to this week's special election in Massachusetts, is contingent on the content of the bill.(...)

    "If the House passed the Senate bill, could reconciliation, that process, be used to fix things that might be improved upon? Yes," Conrad said. "Would I support it? I can't know that without knowing what would be included in the package."

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  3. House vote counting. In November, the House passed the health care bill 220-215.  Since that time, Anthony Weiner Robert Wexler has resigned from the House.  Also, Barney Frank now says he will vote against the health care bill, as does Raul Grijalva.  Bart Stupak has also been lost, and with him as many as nine other members of the House.  It is also hard to imagine that Republican Joseph Cao would still be on board.  Some more conservative, non-Stupak Democrats might defect, too.

    To make up for these lost votes, the House leadership's best hope are the 16, mainly conservative, Democrats who voted against Stupak and against the bill:

    Alder (NJ-03); Baird (WA-03); Boucher (VA-03); Boyd (FL-02); Edwards (TX-17); Herseth Sandlin (SD-AL); Kissell (NC-08); Kosmas (FL-24); Kratovil (MD-01); Kucinich (OH-10); Markey (CO-04); Massa (NY-29); McMahon (NY-13); Minnick (ID-01); Murphy (NY-20); Nye (VA-02)

    The leadership's best hope is that the Senate bill appeals to most of these Democrats, that some members of Stupak's ten will accept Ben Nelson's opt-out compromise, that the Progressive flank is mollified by a promise to improve the bill in the budget reconciliation process.  It is a longshot, but not impossible.

This is shaping up to be a remarkably huge fiasco for Democrats.  This level of disaster would be worse than 1994, because the economic situation ismuch worse and because the health care bill was defeated in a dramatic fashion by one candidate.
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See my quick hit... (0.00 / 0)
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c...

Not looking good at all...  These guys are going to get pummeled in November.

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


Unless they declare open war on Wall Street (0.00 / 0)
that is going to happen anyway.

As I have said before; the best social program is a good job.

Creating more government agencies is not what the people want.

They want cash so that they can spend it is they see fit.

(Crazy, isn't it!?)


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How does on (4.00 / 1)
declare open war on Wall Street without government agencies to do it?


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We need government (agencies) to create jobs (4.00 / 1)


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Funny thing is... (4.00 / 2)
MA voters will probably be even more pissed off by the disaster that Health Care has become because of their voting.  Obama now seems to be backing off too and even with a 59-41 majority in the Senate wants to find something that we can "all" agree on... So we get more accommodation to the GOP and we'll probably have something which just gets rid of pre-existing conditions (but not really) and rescission (but also not really).

My question is, what exactly was Obama's plan for HCR before they had 60 votes in the Senate?


He thought he could negotiate (4.00 / 4)
with Republicans in good faith and get a bipartisan bill that everyone liked. Heh.

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No, he was gonna get everyone around a big table and broadcast it on CSPAN (0.00 / 0)
so people can see who were the good guys and who was eeeeevil.

How did that work out?  I'm sure Billy Tauzin is being burned in effigy right now.


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We already have that bill. (4.00 / 1)
 We already have a bill that gets rid of pre-existing conditions (but not really) and rescission (but also not really.

If they really want to accommodate the GOP, they'll yank the medicaid expansion, and just about everything else but the individual mandate.

Of course, the GOP will run against the mandate in 2010 anyway...


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the plan was Snowe (0.00 / 0)
but fat chance of that now.

It would be ironic if they could get Scott Brown's support somehow, but I would put the odds of that at about 0.5%.


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Whaaa? (4.00 / 3)
"Anthony Weiner has resigned from the House"

What??????

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Did I miss something? (0.00 / 0)
When did Anthony Weiner resign from the House?

I flipped out hen I read that (4.00 / 2)
than I realized he probaly means robert wexler

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Didn't Massa vote against as not Progressive enough? (0.00 / 0)
I thought he voted against HCR as not going far enough?

Could he really be convinced to vote for the Senate version?


Insane. (4.00 / 3)
Insane insane insane. The Democrats have an 18-seat majority in the Senate and the NY Times says on their front page that they just lost their "razor thin margin."


Uh, 8 seat majority, excluding Liarman (0.00 / 0)
Majority is 50 votes, not 40.

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You know what's even more insane? (0.00 / 0)
The fact that they believe that themselves! http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo...

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re: hc bill (4.00 / 2)
and because the health care bill was defeated in a dramatic fashion by one candidate.

don't forget baucus' endless bipartisan crap
remember how enzi could be persuaded to vote yes?
enzi!
what a load of crap

they would be done if baucus hadn't receive the green light to screw around...


#1 (0.00 / 0)
Chop it up. Make them filibuster each and every one. Make them filibuster so much common sense HCR legislation that they come across as heartless Lizard People.

Make them stand up and read the Bible and the phone book to try to prevent a Preexisting Conditions Bill from passing.

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They'll be HAPPY to do it (4.00 / 2)
Being the party-of-no has been a huge success for Republicans so far. They've torpedoed the entire Democratic domestic agenda and have profited at every turn. The last thing we need to give them is a dozen more opportunities to grandstand.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!

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They don't even have to do anything (0.00 / 0)
A modern filibuster prevents a vote from coming up as long as there aren't 60 votes for cloture.  It requires NO work on the part of the filibustering minority, aside from a refusal to vote.  They can literally sit on their asses.

God, I only wish we had a real filibuster where Senators actually had to speak, considering that just about every conservative besides Scott Brown is an aging white guy.


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If one lost seat could defeat HCR... (4.00 / 2)
why the fuck weren't the administration and the DSCC pulling out all the stops for a Coakley win?

If it was so damn important to them, why the hands-off approach? Didn't they want her to win?


Jujitsu - What does President McConnell propose? (4.00 / 1)
I think the play is to toss the health care ball to the GOP and force them govern; force them to reveal themselves to the American people. HCR is now the GOP's responsibility -- if it fails it's on them.

Specifically, Obama should demand the GOP produce a comprehensive health care plan that meets specific criteria and goals (e.g. eliminates pre-existing conditions, rescissions, guarantees affordable access, provides low income assistance, etc.). He's going to have a huge platform next week in the SOTU speech. He should publicly put it all on them to produce a plan with specifics by a date certain.

We must find a way to make the GOP remind Americans why they were hated and found unfit to govern. Health care, jobs, the economy -- it's all President McConnell's responsibility now.

Self-refuting Christine O'Donnell is proof monkeys are still evolving into humans


re: jujitsu (4.00 / 1)
I think the play is to toss the health care ball to the GOP and force them govern

they have zero interest in doing that

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Make them demonstrate that (0.00 / 0)
The GOP must be defined. We have to remind voters why they sent the GOP packing. Obama has the bully pulpit -- make them "put up."

Self-refuting Christine O'Donnell is proof monkeys are still evolving into humans

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What you're describing (0.00 / 0)
Is called "losing elections."

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What I'm describing... (4.00 / 1)
...is defining an opponent. Forcing the opponent to declare themselves. They have no saleable agenda and their brand is still disgraced. Why are we letting them skate on that?

Self-refuting Christine O'Donnell is proof monkeys are still evolving into humans

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Now that WH and Senate Dems kissing Oly Snowe's ass again, (0.00 / 0)
and since WH and Dem leadership will blame the progressives if the legislation doesn't pass, maybe it's time for progressives to start aggressively running against their President's non-progressive agenda...

typo alert: Adler (not Alder) voted against the bill (0.00 / 0)
This one seems to keep reappearing so it might be best to fix it.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

gbcw is close, oh so close (4.00 / 1)
i don't think i can handle the politics of health care reform any longer. once upon a time i made a promise to myself that if hillary won i would resign my membership in the democratic party. i can't believe that one year into my dream prez candidate's term i am at that point again but i am. i am as pissed off at the progressive base (and blogosphere) as i am at the dems on the hill and in the white house. you all f##ked up....if health care goes down i am not waiting for November. i am going to re-register as a ind.  i am done and not because of coakley....this hcr bill needs to pass...we need to move on...we have to turn the page...2010 must be about something other than health care. HCR must not die. tell barney frank he can f##k himself and so can jane Hamsher and rahm e. and lieberman...and ...and...and...sob

Yup .. worse than 1994 (4.00 / 1)
Thanks to the internet and other more intense media exposure, far more people will have taken in the utter futility of the Dem majority. And nothing discredits worse than futility, even mistakes.

Can it happen here?

if House passes the Senate bill BEFORE reconciliation (0.00 / 0)
how will we know that the Senate, Conrad etc,will honor the promise to make a progressive change through reconciliation? they could get progressive House Dems to vote for the current Senate bill with an empty promise of reconciliation and do nothing afterwards. We can only be sure of that if the Senate uses reconciliation to change the current Senate bill and then the House votes on the new Senate bill.  

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