Health care state of play, January 22nd

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Jan 22, 2010 at 15:00


Here is the state of play on health care:

  • The House could just pass the Senate health care bill, and President Obama could sign it into law.  Problem is, the House doesn't have 218 votes unless there is a promise to pass a cleanup fix to the Senate bill through the reconciliation process.

  • The Senate doesn't have the votes to pass the cleanup fix through reconciliation:

    Part of the negotiations center on whether Reid can provide an ironclad guarantee that the Senate will not leave the House in the lurch, aides said. If the House agrees to pass the Senate bill with a companion measure - or a "cleanup" bill - to make fixes, they want to know that the Senate will indeed pass it, too.

    There was some talk among Senate leadership on Thursday of putting together a letter signed by 51 Democratic senators pledging to pass a cleanup bill if the House would pass the Senate bill. But that effort fizzled when support for it didn't materialize, insiders said.

    "The Senate moderates' viewpoint is, 'We passed our bill. We're not going to spend three weeks on some other bill,'" said a Democratic lobbyist who represents clients pushing for reform.

  • Large numbers of House think this response is unacceptable.  They believe the Senate has acted on so few bills that the House has passed--jobs bill, climate bill, financial regulations, student loans, etc.  As such, they feel it is very wrong for the Senate to demand that the House pass one of the few bills they did act on verbatim.
So, that is the current impasse on health care.  The House might be able to pass the Senate bill with a promise of a reconciliation fix, but the Senate doesn't want to pass the reconciliation fix.

So, who are the Senators that oppose reconciliation at this point?  Figuring that out, and making them change their minds, might be the best path forward on health care at this point.

One Senator, Russ Feingold, who has opposed reconciliation for health care in the past, seems to have changed his mind.  From a well-placed reader over email:

I spoke to someone from Feingold's campaign about his position on reconciliation in light of the Massachusetts special election. She informed me that while Sen. Feingold is no fan of reconciliation, now that it's reconciliation or nothing (apparently), he would be willing to support reconciliation if that's what it took to get a good bill passed. It wasn't the slightest bit equivocal or hedgy; it was a straight "yes". So that's a bit of good news. Hopefully the House can get their act together.

If we achieve the reconciliation path, it would be possible to re-insert the Medicare buy-in during that process.  There are no parliamentary issues about inserting a Medicare buy-in through reconciliation, and at least 56 Democratic Senators were supportive of such a buy-in back in December (only Conrad, Lieberman and Ben Nelson expressed worries about it).

It is remarkable and ironic how the defeat in Massachusetts could actually spur Democrats to move in a good direction for progressives.  That defeat has revived the public option, made stopping Bernanke a real possibility, and opened up talks about reforming the filibuster.  It also has prompted the Senate to throw in the towel on a climate change bill, which is good as long as EPA authority to regulate greenhouse gasses isn't stripped.

Could the Massachusetts special election actually make things better for progressives?  That would be very surprising, but it isn't out of the question.

Chris Bowers :: Health care state of play, January 22nd

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What about 2010 (4.00 / 1)
Do you still wager that most 2010 losses will be Blue dog losses which will empower the progressive caucus?

IMO the Senate needs to agree (4.00 / 3)
to a immediate "cleanup" bill - to make fixes to the Senate bill. The Senate bill is a political loser for the Democrats not to mention a horrible piece of legislation.  Either fix it or move on to real job creation.    

Cleanup bill first. (4.00 / 5)
The House should not act on a promise. It should demand a cleanup bill first -- which preserves their leverage -- and then pass both when they're done.

Self-refuting Christine O'Donnell is proof monkeys are still evolving into humans

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I agree (4.00 / 3)
I see no reason why the Senate can't pass the fix first, before the House acts.  That is, if they can.

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Is this really that surprising? (0.00 / 0)
The first thing on a politician's mind is re-election.  If a Democrat can lose in Mass, they can lose anywhere.  That means it's time to start governing and convincing people that they deserve another term.  That's the only silver lining in losing that seat.

"Never be afraid to stand with the minority when the minority is right, for the minority which is right will one day be the majority." -William Jennings Bryan

Except... (0.00 / 0)
The lesson they learn is opposite, and they think they need to slow down and be more conservative basically... and that's what's going to happen to the HCR bill now even though there's a clear path forward otherwise.

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Well then they are through (4.00 / 1)
and progressives won't have any illusions that the democrats can accomplish anything for them anymore, and we can move on to more productive parties.

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Not remarkable at all. (4.00 / 8)
No pain, no gain.  If you can't hurt them, they won't listen.  Making them lose is the only club progressives have, and they need to stop being so afraid to use it.  Club for Growth has a fine model.  

Damn straight. (4.00 / 4)
Look how the Villagers like Marshall and Benen are completely losing their shit because their beloved (and politically toxic) Lieberman / Nelson crap bill is going nowhere. It's the first time in living memory that progressives have been able to inflict pain on these assholes and boy does it freak them out. More like this please, Progressive Caucus.

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Imagine that, the House doesn't trust the Senate? (4.00 / 4)
It's not hard to figure out why.  The Senate is so busy screwing America, why would they hesitate on the House?  The Senators need to get off their asses and pass something  acceptable to the people, or, as I assume they probably are, starting sending out those resumes to K Street.  

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
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Apology accepted (4.00 / 1)
Could the Massachusetts special election actually make things better for progressives?  That would be very surprising, but it isn't out of the question.


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Crossed Fingers (4.00 / 3)
This is the most optimistic thing I've read in quite a while.  While I'm fully in support of the House passing the Senate bill even without any guarantees, getting the reconciliation guarantees would be much, much better.

The key is for conventional wisdom to get back into believing Obama must pass a health care bill in order for Democrats to have a fighting chance in November.  Walking away now is political suicide.

I believe after a few days of panic, this is becoming the conventional wisdom, so the progressive caucus has leverage again.


This is where political suicide lies (4.00 / 3)
Unemployment rose in 43 states last month

http://my.earthlink.net/track?...

Passing the unpopular Senate bill will not save the Dems in November if they do not do something to help Main St. rather than Wall St.


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Like human suicide (0.00 / 0)
There is sadly more than one way to do yourself in.

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this should be doable but ... (0.00 / 0)
it ends up not being about the Senate votes - or at least, not just and only about them - but about Reid and the rest of the so-called "leadership" and what they're willing to do.

but all of the pressure, and all of the Moderate Reasonable Liberal vitriol, is focused on House liberals. the people who have gotten the very least out of every "deal" since forever. the Senators are off the hook. the coathanger brigade and the blue dogs are off the hook. because oh well that's just Political Reality you know. and Obama is like, who?

it's not a promising situation.

not everything worth doing is profitable. not everything profitable is worth doing.


Until President Waterloo leads... (4.00 / 1)
...or at least gives his blessing and support to a course of action, chaos will reign. And if he fails to lead them to success on health care he'll be President Waterloo forever.

Self-refuting Christine O'Donnell is proof monkeys are still evolving into humans

Hehehe! Yup, it's president Barack W. Obama. (0.00 / 0)
And W stands for Waterloo.

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Unlikely... (0.00 / 0)
"It is remarkable and ironic how the defeat in Massachusetts could actually spur Democrats to move in a good direction for progressives."

This seems exceptionally unlikely.... despite some noise from progressives now that "Hey, maybe we can get a PO or Medicare buy-in or something great now that we can do reconciliation", this just won't happen... the absolute best case scenario, I believe, is for the house and senate to finish their negotiations, the house passes the senate bill and the Senate passes the compromises through reconciliation.

The more likely scenarios, considering the absolute lack of leadership on this, is that they pass extremely minor regulations, maybe picking up Snowe, which does close to nothing and call it a day.


Finally, the truth comes out. (4.00 / 3)
The Dems don't even have 50 votes for meaningful health care reform.  No wonder reconciliation was off the table.

But who are these eight or more Democratic Senators?  It's a great question, Chris.  So far the Dems main objective appears to be responsibility avoidance.  And by Dems, I mean all Dems.  Even supposed progressives have been cultivating the 60 vote myth resulting in the common belief that Democrats are in favor of meaningful HCR, and it's all the fault of the mean Republicans, Joe lieberman, and a musical chair Democrat (Nelson, Bayh, etc.) which is switched regularly so that no one person has to take too much blame.

But the truth is: one sixth or more of Democratic Senators are against meaningful health care reform.

At least with a Republican vote you can be pretty sure what you're getting.

Wit a Democratic vote, you're odds are roughly the same as playing Russian roulette.


Finally, the truth comes out. (0.00 / 0)
The Dems don't even have 50 votes for meaningful health care reform.  No wonder reconciliation was off the table.

But who are these eight or more Democratic Senators?  It's a great question, Chris.  So far the Dems main objective appears to be responsibility avoidance.  And by Dems, I mean all Dems.  Even supposed progressives have been cultivating the 60 vote myth resulting in the common belief that Democrats are in favor of meaningful HCR, and it's all the fault of the mean Republicans, Joe lieberman, and a musical chair Democrat (Nelson, Bayh, etc.) which is switched regularly so that no one person has to take too much blame.

But the truth is: one sixth or more of Democratic Senators are against meaningful health care reform.

At least with a Republican vote you can be pretty sure what you're getting.

Wit a Democratic vote, you're odds are roughly the same as playing Russian roulette.


Sorry again for the double post. (0.00 / 0)
I don't know why this keeps happening.

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Sorry again for the double post. (0.00 / 0)
I don't know why this keeps happening.

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Because you press reload (0.00 / 0)
Because you press reload

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re: buy-in (4.00 / 2)
If we achieve the reconciliation path, it would be possible to re-insert the Medicare buy-in during that process.

that's why "senate moderates" don't want to do it


Am I the only one wondering (0.00 / 0)
how come Reid and Pelosi reportedly are limiting themselves to the minor changes already agreed on for this side-car reconciliation bill? They only need 51 votes! They could add back a public option or Medicare buy-in. I guess that would disturb the comity of the Senate...

Again, the order is wrong! Firstly, the midecare expansion thru reconciliation. (4.00 / 1)
And only AFTER that, let the House pass the Senate bill. That's the only way the damn Senators will be forced to comply. Don't let the traitors have the last word, or they'll scrw the party again!

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