Obama is no Reagan

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Jan 24, 2010 at 10:00


Obama is no Reagan



Political scientist James A. Stimson's aggregate measure of policy mood clearly shows that Kennedy/Johnson came to power in part as a result of a significant leftward shift in political attitudes--which they did not cause.  Likewise, Reagan came to power in part because political attitudes had been shifting to the right  for more than a decade.  Rather than moving America to the right, Reagan was a result of a rightward shift that sharply reversed itself throughout his tenure... and beyond.

Sometimes when things are going horribly wrong, it helps to take a look back and ask if there were early warning signs that should have been taken more seriously.  Played badly, this sort of exercise is nothing more than a game of "I-told-you-so."  But sometimes "I-told-you-so" is not such a bad place to start.  And sometimes, it can be more than that.  It can be a way of reviving mistakenly discarded lines of thought that can provide fresh ideas about how to get back on track.  It's in hopes of this last alternative that I write the following.

In mid-January 2008, Obama [in]famously said:

I don't want to present myself as some sort of singular figure.  I think part of what's different are the times.  I do think that for example the 1980 was different.  I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not.  He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it.  I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating.  I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing.

While Obama subsequently tried to backpaddle from that, he was never very convincing to some of us.  At the time, the Clinton & Edwards campaigns both pounced on him, and one could credibly argue that their attacks unfairly mischaracterized what he was trying to say.  This was the argument made by he St. Petersburg Times at it's Polifact.com website, in a piece titled "Obama not a Reagan Democrat" (more on this below).

But even if he wasn't actually enthusing over Reagan--a fair point, if one reads the full transcript--he was expressing himself in Reaganite language, in effect underscoring the point that he would not be a transformational leader, contrary to everything he was trying to convey to his adoring base.  

Paul Rosenberg :: Obama is no Reagan
What he was selling to his base as transformational leadership was, in fact, simply a shift in management strategy--nothing to be concerned about.  It would be just like Tony Blair's New Labor taking up the task of running Maggie Thatcher's neoliberal Britain more efficiently than the Tories had proved capable of.  That was his message to America's elites, sent via the proxy of Nevada voters, via the editorial board of the Reno Gazette-Journal.   Clinton and Edwards were quite right to pounce on this, even if they may have somewhat mischaracterized what he said. Their underlying point has proven to be quite accurate: Obama does not represent a political sea-change from Reagan's legacy, rather he is quite comfortable living within it, and--whether he realized it or not--normalizing it so that no genuine alternatives are even thinkable.

Simply put, Obama was talking about Reagan approvingly in a way, using the very same sort of language that Reagan himself might have used to describe "all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s".  It was as if he'd committed a Freudian slip, revealing a subconscious father-figure fixation on Reagan that no amount of conscious political disavowels could put to rest.  And once he came to power, that subconscious affinity proved itself to be much more significant than his conscious protestations to the contrary.  Put simply, Obama has conclusively proven himself incapable of thinking outside of Ronald Reagan's box--so much so that he's not even capable of comprehending what that box is, any more than a fish can understand water.  

What's more, Obama was adopting a pseudo-meta-political pose, pretending to a position of above-the-fray superior wisdom, as if to strike the pose of a senior statesman, deliberately belying his actual lack of political experience. But this pose was pure bunkum, recycled, standard-issue DLC/Versailles centrism, utterly impervious to the actual historical record.  Indeed, Clinton himself had tried to do precisely what Obama claimed he could do--reach out across the aisle by speaking differently than Democrats before him had--and he got his head handed to him for his troubles.  Furthermore, while Obama was pretending to say it was a matter of the times, he was clearly arguing the contrary.  "Shucks, I'm not a unique figure," he was saying,in essence, "I'm just the same as Kennedy or Reagan"--a  once-in-a-generation charismatic leader.

What made that convenient slight-of-hand so much more dangerous and consequential than it appeared to most people at the time was the profound misreading of history that it depended upon--a misreading of history that failed to grasp the longer cycles of American history, and placed far too much emphasis on the superficial play of colorful personalities such as Kennedy and Reagan.  It's not that such figures have no importance.  That's not the argument at all.  It's that their importance can only be understood in terms of the larger historical patterns in which they appear. There's no better way to ensure that you misunderstand them than to pluck them out of their contexts, like a kid putting together an all-time all-star baseball lineup, which is precisely the sort of thing that Obama was doing--the same sort of thing that the punditalkcrazy does all the time, and one of the countless little things he did to endear himself to them.

The chart at the beginning of this diary tells one important part of the story about Kennedy and Reagan--both were beneficiaries of political attitudinal shifts they played little part in creating.  What they could do was play a role in giving expression to the shifts that helped bring them to power.  But this wasn't something they could do by themselves. Kennedy was an inspiring figure who accomplished relatively little legislatively, but he paved the way for LBJ, a legislative powerhouse who build enormously on the still-strong political and institutional foundations of the New Deal era.  Johnson's Great Society represented the strongest late second wind of any party system in American history, even topping the Republican dominance of the 1920s.

Reagan, OTOH, was not in a position to build any comparable legislative legacy--even with the cross-over support of conservative Southern Democrats in Congress. Rather, he was a front man for building a conservative infrastructure that Nixon had already helped lay the foundations for, dating all the way back to his early red-baiting races for Congress and the Senate.  What changed with Reagan--not a result of him, but with him as a prime exemplar--was the right's systematic appropriation of left/progressive strategy and tactics for reactionary ends.  The right reinvented think tanks as long-term strategic policy messaging entities; it created an ideological media with a pretense of objectivity, while mercilessly attacking the relatively non-ideological, but establishment, media as ideologically biased; it created a permanent top-down counterpart to progressive social movements that ebbed and flowed dramatically over time, only rarely mobilizing for national political effect; and it used massive Keyensian deficits to generate economic growth which it then credited to anti-Keyensian conservative economic policies.  In short, it initiated  all-out hegemonic warfare adapting many cultural forms of the New Deal era for fundamentally contrary purposes.

Obama, like most Democratic politicians of the past 30 years, is far too shallow a thinker to grasp the enormity of what conservatives are up to.  The systematic nature of conservative hegemonic warfare is beyond him.  All he sees is the figurehead.  And because of that, he can only praise Reagan, he can never be him.

Obama On Reagan--A Closer Look

So let's take a look at how PoliFact exonerated Obama, and ask ourselves if there isn't a deeper problem that PoliFact's analysis overlooked-the problem of Obama's implicit acceptance of Reaganism's broad outlines, more than an explicit endorsement of its harsher specifics.  PoliFact began by describing the controversy as it had developed, which revolved around comments Obama had made in an editorial meeting with the Reno Gazette-Journal, not just the passage above about Reagan, but also words about the GOP being the "party of ideas". Then PoliFact said:

Instead of a long point-by-point comparison of the politics of Obama versus Reagan, let's just put this to bed by giving Obama's comments a fuller context.

During the 49-minute editorial board meeting, Obama was essentially asked how long his coattails might be for other candidates in House and Senate races. His response lasted a few minutes, but here's a bit of what he said:

"I think that we're shifting the political paradigm here. And if I'm the nominee, I think I can bring a lot of folks along on my coattails. You know, there's a reason why in 2006, I made the most appearances for members of Congress. I was the most requested surrogate to come in and campaign for people in districts that were swing districts, Republican districts where they wouldn't have any other Democrat.
"That was based on their read of the fact that, you know what, this is somebody who can reach out to independents and Republicans in a way that doesn't offend people. ... I don't want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what's different are the times.

"I do think that, for example, the 1980 election was different. I mean, I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that, you know, Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. They felt like, you know, with all the excesses of the '60s and the '70s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating and he tapped into what people were already feeling. Which is, people wanted clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing, all right? I think Kennedy, 20 years earlier, moved the country in a fundamentally different direction. So I think a lot of it just has to do with the times.

"I think we're in one of those times right now. Where people feel like things as they are going aren't working. We're bogged down in the same arguments that we've been having, and they're not useful."

While one can credibly argue that Obama wasn't so much endorsing Reagan as he was playing the history professor, one can argue that he was doing a miserable job of it, as I argued above.  Beyond that, Obama's historical account also overlooks the fact that Carter himself was more conservative than any Democratic President since Woodrow Wilson, and only beat off a primary challenge from Ted Kennedy because of the short-term "rally round the flag" effect that followed the hostage-taking at the Iranian embassy.  It also overlooks the fact that if the Reagan/Bush campaign hadn't interfered in negotiations with Iran, the early release of the hostages could have re-elected Carter, despite the troubled state of the economy.  In short, Obama was reciting conservative mythology while pretending to talk history. He was also making a ludicrous mistake--not fully appreciated at the time--to infer that because his transpartisan rhetoric (coming from a black man, no less) was so appealing he must, therefore, govern in a transpartisan manner, because that's what people wanted.  Ronald Reagan certainly did no such thing.  He used a phony transpartisan appeal, then governed as far to the right as he could get away with.

First off, there's simply no escaping the fact this is Reaganite rhetoric:

He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. They felt like, you know, with all the excesses of the '60s and the '70s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating and he tapped into what people were already feeling. Which is, people wanted clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing, all right?

But the so-called "excesses of the '60s and the 70's", as Matt Stoller wrote:

were feminism, the consumer rights movement, the civil rights movement, the environmental movement, and the antiwar movement.  The libertarian anti-government ideology of an unaccountable large liberal government was designed by ideological conservatives to take advantage of the backlash against these 'excesses'.

It is extremely disturbing to hear, not that Obama admires Reagan, but why he does so. Reagan was not a sunny optimist pushing dynamic entrepreneurship, but a savvy politician using a civil rights backlash to catapult conservatives to power. Lots of people don't agree with this, of course, since it doesn't fit a coherent narrative of GOP ascendancy. Masking Reagan's true political underpinning principles is a central goal of the conservative movement,

Matt's link above is to a Krugman op-ed, which is a useful reminder of just how basic racism is to the rise of today's Republican Party and the conservative movement that dominates it:

Republicans and Race
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Over the past few weeks there have been a number of commentaries about Ronald Reagan's legacy, specifically about whether he exploited the white backlash against the civil rights movement.

The controversy unfortunately obscures the larger point, which should be undeniable: the central role of this backlash in the rise of the modern conservative movement.

The centrality of race -- and, in particular, of the switch of Southern whites from overwhelming support of Democrats to overwhelming support of Republicans -- is obvious from voting data.

For example, everyone knows that white men have turned away from the Democrats over God, guns, national security and so on. But what everyone knows isn't true once you exclude the South from the picture. As the political scientist Larry Bartels points out, in the 1952 presidential election 40 percent of non-Southern white men voted Democratic; in 2004, that figure was virtually unchanged, at 39 percent.

More than 40 years have passed since the Voting Rights Act, which Reagan described in 1980 as "humiliating to the South." Yet Southern white voting behavior remains distinctive. Democrats decisively won the popular vote in last year's House elections, but Southern whites voted Republican by almost two to one.

The G.O.P.'s own leaders admit that the great Southern white shift was the result of a deliberate political strategy. "Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization." So declared Ken Mehlman, the former chairman of the Republican National Committee, speaking in 2005.

And Ronald Reagan was among the "some" who tried to benefit from racial polarization.

True, he never used explicit racial rhetoric. Neither did Richard Nixon. As Thomas and Mary Edsall put it in their classic 1991 book, "Chain Reaction: The impact of race, rights and taxes on American politics," "Reagan paralleled Nixon's success in constructing a politics and a strategy of governing that attacked policies targeted toward blacks and other minorities without reference to race -- a conservative politics that had the effect of polarizing the electorate along racial lines."

Thus, Reagan repeatedly told the bogus story of the Cadillac-driving welfare queen -- a gross exaggeration of a minor case of welfare fraud. He never mentioned the woman's race, but he didn't have to.

There are many other examples of Reagan's tacit race-baiting in the historical record. My colleague Bob Herbert described some of these examples in a recent column. Here's one he didn't mention: During the 1976 campaign Reagan often talked about how upset workers must be to see an able-bodied man using food stamps at the grocery store. In the South -- but not in the North -- the food-stamp user became a "strapping young buck" buying T-bone steaks.

The fact that a black man not named Alan Keyes could run for President in apparent utter ignorance of that history is jaw-dropping.  But that very much appears to be the case with Obama.  And if he isn't in utter ignorance, he's something much worse--he's in utter denial.  Either way, it's a good part of why Obama is apparently utterly incapable of talking about race, except when his back up against the wall.  Worse still, it's connected to why he can't even think about race, so that he never even seems to consider fighting for race-neutral policies--such foreclosure relief--that would none-the-less assist a disproportionate number of blacks.

Indeed, by his own anti-populist politics, he's doing everything imaginable to validate the rightwing pseudo-populist narrative, which has always sought to lump together "liberal elites" and minorities in opposition to salt-of-the-earth "real Americans."

Compared to such mammoth misreadings of American history and politics, it may seem almost petty to point out that the 1980 election could have turned out much differently than it did, not least because of one thing that appears nowhere in Obama's narrative--the Iranian hostage crisis.  What's more, without that crisis, it's quite possible that the 1980 election could have be noted as a turning point to the left, since Ted Kennedy pre-crisis was on track to defeat Carter in the primary, and certainly would have been a much more vigorous defender of Democratic core values against Reagan than Carter proved to be.

The first thing to note about that crisis is that it was first initiated because Democratic President Jimmy Carter foolishly took it upon himself to pick up after the Republican's mess.  It was Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower who authorized the CIA to overthrow the democratically elected government of Iran in 1953, and to install the dictatorship of the Shah.  His Democratic predecessor, Harry Truman, had refused to overthrow an elected government.  Then, 26 years later, when the inevitable finally happened and the Shah was overthrown, Carter let Harry Kissinger talk him into letting the Shah come to America--which naturally infuriated the Iranian people, and led to the capture of 53 people in the American embassy.  

For a crucial few months, this action had a similar effect to 9-11, it caused people to rally around the President, who had previously experienced very low approval numbers.  The short-term bump in Carter's approval numbers came in late 1979 and early 1980, the crucial period of time when small-state voters can have a disproportionate effect in the primaries, particularly for saving the bacon of an endangered incumbent:


Souce: Roper Center.

That rallying effect lasted long enough to help Carter stave off an unprecedented primary challenge from Ted Kennedy in early 1980, but it did not last long enough to get him through the general election--indeed, Kennedy surged in the last half of the primary season.  Wikipedia explains:

Kennedy refused to run in 1972, and again in 1976. Many suspected that Chappaquiddick had destroyed any ability he had to win on a national level. However, in the summer of 1979, he consulted with his family, and that fall, he let it leak out that because of Carter's failings, 1980 might indeed be the year. Gallup had him beating the president by over two to one.

Kennedy's official announcement was scheduled for early November. A television interview with Roger Mudd of CBS a few days before the announcement went badly, however. Kennedy gave an "incoherent and repetitive"[4] answer to the question of why he was running, and the polls, which showed him leading the President by 58-25 in August now had him ahead 49-39.[5] American hostages were taken in Tehran, Iran, and Carter's approval ratings jumped in the 60-percent range in some polls, due to a "rally 'round the flag" effect[6] and an appreciation of Carter's calm handling of the crisis. Kennedy was suddenly left far behind. Carter beat Kennedy decisively in Iowa and New Hampshire. Carter decisively defeated Kennedy everywhere except Massachusetts, until impatience began to build with the President's strategy on Iran. When the primaries in New York and Connecticut came around, it was Kennedy who won.

Carter was still able to maintain a substantial lead even after Kennedy swept the last batch of primaries in June.

Thus, by the time of the general election, Carter's failure to free the hostages had become a primary emblem of a feeling of national humiliation, which Reagan promised to put an end to. Those who were not politically conscious at the time simply have no idea how important a factor this was--in part because it has simply been left out of all the standard political narratives.

But consider this: Nightline was originally founded as a program devoted to following the hostatge crisis, and it provided a daily half-hour dose of reminder to the nation.  There has never been such a sustained focus on one political subject in American history by a national media outlet of such reach, aside from during time of war.  It was completely unprecedented.

Thus, at one level, it was nothing more than (a) Carter's deluded belief in bi-partisanship and (b) timing that caused the election to turn out as it did.  Without the hostage crisis--or without it coming when it did, Kennedy would probably have been the candidate, not Carter.  And Kennedy was a much more dynamic campaigner, unencumbered by Carter's record.

And then there's the whole matter of the Reagan/Bush campaign committing treason by doing a secret deal with Iran to prevent the hostages from being released before the election.  I've written about this on several occassions.  There's a good deal of circumstantial evidence for this conspiracy--not least the fact that arms shipments to Iran that were central to the Iran/Contra conspiracy began before that taking of the hostages that were the purported rationale for the Iranian arms deal side of the conspiracy.  But the most compelling evidence about this came from former Soviet intelligence, describing their knowledge of meetings held to negotiate the deal, which became available to congressional investigators just as Clinton was about to be sworn into office.  The report was deep-sixed by then-Congressman Lee Hamilton, as described by author and investigative reporter Robert Parry in his series "The October Surprise X-Files".

In short, rather than signaling a massive ideological of any sort, the 1980 election was highly contingent on foreign policy circumstances that could well have turned out very differently, and the almost certainly were treasonously manipulated by the Reagan/Bush campaign.  Obama's description of that election faithfully reflects the degree to which his own thinking has been shaped and limited by the hegemonic warfare of the right, which severely limits his ability to fight back on his own terms, since he can't even think on his own terms.

Finally, before moving on, let's take another look at how the passage PoliFact quoted ends, following the part where he's talking about Reagan:

I think Kennedy, 20 years earlier, moved the country in a fundamentally different direction. So I think a lot of it just has to do with the times.

"I think we're in one of those times right now. Where people feel like things as they are going aren't working. We're bogged down in the same arguments that we've been having, and they're not useful."

This last paragraph is particularly important, because what it describes is one of the characteristics of a transition from one party system to another.  One of the reasons that one party system gives way to another is that the old party system proves incapable of addressing new issues.  The transition from the Fifth Party System to the Sixth Party System was the exception that proves the rule.  In the end, the Democrats of the New Deal Party System were capable of addressing the issue of civil rights,  but doing so fractured their base, particularly costing them in the white South, thus allowing Nixon to win in 1968, ushering in the dealigned Sixth Party System.

Obama's superficial misreading of history would place the cut-points at 1960 and 1980, but none of the deeper indicators favors seeing either election as representing such a profound turning point.  Kennedy certainly offered a contrast in age, style and personal vigor compared to Eisenhower, but he was heavily into continuing the arguments that had predominated throughout the 1950s.  Indeed, civil rights would prove crucial in a below-the-radar kind of way, but it's precisely because it remained off the table as a partisan issue that it worked so well, as news of the Kennedy's intercession to get Martin Luther King out of jail spread through the black press and gained important black urban votes in the North without incurring any noticeable cost.

Similarly, in 1980, the treatment of race underscored continuity, not change.  By then, race had been placed squarely on the table by the transition from the 5th to the 6th party systems, and Reagan ran on it, hard, with a combination of symbolism and the new coded language that had emerged to replace the discredited overt racism of days gone by.  As Matt makes clear in the passage I quoted from, the very "excesses of the '60s and the 70's" that Obama uncritically narrates as simple historical facts was an example of such coded language.

Obama faces a two-fold problem here: First, he conflates charismatic candidates and critical, realigning elections, without an inkling of the vast differences between them.  The two are completely unrelated as a matter of logic, though they can coincide accidentally.  Second, because he doesn't understand the differences, he has no clue about how to deal with the fact that he is both a charismatic candidate, and one who has won what by all rights should be a critical election.  This is such an important point that I'm going to deal with it separately in another diary next weekend.

The "Party of Ideas" Canard

Next, PolitFact turns to the second troubling remark from this interview, where Obama parrots the conservative hegemonic narrative of the GOP being the "party of ideas":

And does this next part sound like a Republican sympathizer?

"And, you know, the Republican approach, I think, has played itself out. I think it's fair to say the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last 10, 15 years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom. Now, you've heard it all before. You look at the economic policies when they're being debated among the presidential candidates and it's all tax cuts. Well, you know, we've done that, we tried it. That's not really going to solve our energy problems, for example. So, some of it's the times. And some of it's, I think, there's maybe a generation element to this, partly ... I didn't come of age in the battles of the '60s. I'm not as invested in them.

"And so I think I talk differently about issues. And I think I talk differently about values. And that's why I think we've been resonating with the American people."

....  

Our take, Obama may want to think twice before invoking the R-word again any time soon. But in this case, it was little more than a sound bite taken out of context and twisted.

Actually, it was quite a bit more than a sound bite taken out of context.  Obama is basically endorsing the conservative meme that the GOP had become the "party of ideas".  Furthermore he does this so thoughtlessly that the example he proffers is actually evidence of hegemonic dominance--which is something rather distinct from being the "party of ideas", as I explained in my Dec 2008 diary, "The Party of Ideas As Weapons vs. The Party Of Ideas As, Well, IDEAS!".  

So, to answer PoliFact's question, "And does this next part sound like a Republican sympathizer?" The answer would be, "Yes, it does.  Absolutely.  And it's all the more problematic because of how deeply unconscious it all is."

Conclusion: Obama Is No Reagan

Republicans and conservatives have mythologized Reagan so heavily that it's difficult to focus on what was actually real about him.  Most of his purported virtues are either imaginary, exaggerated, or questionable.  But one thing is certain: he was a perfect figure for his base to rally around, and he knew it.  Contrary to the mythology, he did not change a lot of people's minds, as the chart that begins this diary indicates. But he did fire up his base, and make it much, much easier for the conservative movement as a whole to engage in vigorous institution building and mult-faceted hegemonic warfare.  In short, he empowered all those who were naturally behind him and he vigorously promoted the hegemonic language of conservatism.

Barack Obama is the exact opposite of this.  He was elected almost entirely because of conservatism's epic failure during the Bush years--which itself followed two decades of persistent earlier failures that were repeatedly explained away or ignored.  Far more than Kennedy or Reagan, his election was one that demanded a fundamental reorientation of everything that had become routinely accepted and assumed.  His individual characteristics and capacities may have had everything to do with winning the primary nomination, but they had virtually nothing to do with winning the general election.

In short, he won despite completely misunderstanding the basic historical/political context in which he won.  It's no surprise, really, that he has utterly failed to govern effectively as a result.  It's exactly the result one would expect from such a profound misunderstanding.


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Convolutions (4.00 / 10)
After reading this, my first thought was that I'm glad I'm not President Obama, although I suppose that if I were President Obama, Rahm Emanuel would make sure that I'd never hear of Paul Rosenberg.

This is flat-out brilliant political analysis, but I think that its focal point, candidate Obama's seemingly casual assessment of his own place in history, is just as illustrative of some of the psychological points that you were making in the reaction formation post.

What I hear in this supposedly pensive soliloquy is a more or less intentional cozying up on Obama's part to the mythology of the right, coupled with a quite stunning display of intellectual arrogance, in that he seems to believe that no one can see that he's pandering, or understand why he's doing it. This doesn't necessarily negate your view of his unconscious capture by the very mythology which he thinks that he's manipulating to his own benefit, but it does help explain a) his professorial demeanor, and b) his stubbornness in the face of repeated defeats.

It's a flaw that he shares with President Clinton, I think. He's used to being the smartest person in the room. When he isn't, he's the last person to realize it.


You're Onto Me! (4.00 / 1)
This is flat-out brilliant political analysis, but I think that its focal point, candidate Obama's seemingly casual assessment of his own place in history, is just as illustrative of some of the psychological points that you were making in the reaction formation post.

You're onto Clinton & Obama, too:

It's a flaw that he shares with President Clinton, I think. He's used to being the smartest person in the room. When he isn't, he's the last person to realize it.

One might also say, as my mother used to tell me, "You're too smart for your own good."

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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The question I'd like the answer to... (4.00 / 1)
...is one we can't know without more evidence, but one that is important in knowing what to think going forward, and how to proceed--even if only as an individual voter:

"And if he isn't in utter ignorance, he's something much worse--he's in utter denial. "

Which is it? And what's the difference between utter ignorance and utter denial?

It's hard for me to understand how a smart guy like Obama could be so ignorant, so it's equally hard for me to accept that his failures are the result of any kind of innocent denial. What's the motive behind Obama's denial? Is it unconscious? Or is it the malicious, Republican kind of denial, to deceive?


My Answer Is Denial (4.00 / 2)
Or, more precisely (as William noted), from my earlier diary, reaction-formation, which includes denial as part of the package.

However, I've never been one to argue for singular cause and effect.  If one starts out with the psychological, it quickly becomes embedded in a history of decisions, political alliances, institutional relationships, etc.

So now Obama is surrounded by an entire galaxy of advisors, consultants, aids and allies, as well as critics and kibitzers, all largely reinforcing the path he's been on unfolding outward from his complex psychological denial. And one of the principle functions of that entire apparatus is to reflexively reject progressive perspectives out of hand.

Hence, whenever anything goes wrong, further compromise, further denial appears to be the only conceivable option, even though this is objectively and historically absurd.

Obama is very much a creature embedded in his historical situation, but because he's so bright, and has a personal background oriented at least somewhat toward reflection, he suffers from the common middle-class and post-materialist illusion of being a transcendent objective observer.  This makes him all the more resistant to the reality of his own limited perspective.  The illusion of engagement with other viewpoints, with "enjoying" vigorous debate (with conservatives, at least, with progressive, not so much) only makes him all that much more closed off from confronting the actual reality of the situation before him, and the nature of the choices he has made, is making, and will make in the future.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Innocent, then. (4.00 / 2)
Poor guy. I guess we'll just have to wait and see and hope for the best.

(Though it's depressing, thanks for the explanation.)


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Can America Really Accept the "Angry Negro"? (4.00 / 3)
Obama doesn't want to come out and engage in direct, brutal assault. This may certainly be a mistake, but I doubt it's because of an "instinctive rejection of progressive perspectives."

He wants to finesse everything because that's how the system is rigged in Washington. He didn't get elected by being an "angry Negro" but by being the comforting "anti-Jesse Jackson" picture of reasonableness.

What would America's reaction REALLY be if Obama came out and said, like FDR:

We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace‹business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me‹and I welcome their hatred

The media would probably have a TOTAL MELTDOWN and proclaim Obama an "anti-American radical-Muslim." What would white reaction be? "OMG! We thought we were electing a nice safe negro, but we just elected Malcolm X"?

(Ironically, FDR did more to institutionalize those forces he claimed to hate than any President in our history: through his war policies favoring big-business.)

Obama seems a prisoner of the question: "as a black man would I really be accepted if I were to engage my enemies directly?"

America might not be REALLY as "transformed" as he likes to believe -- and he might very well suspect that it's NOT.

Ergo: shunning the direct assault demanded by liberals on conservative institutions frightens him.


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Obama Doesn't Need To Be Angry, Though (4.00 / 4)
He just needs to STAND for something other than battered spouse syndrome.

There's a lot to be said for the "more in sorrow than in anger" pose.

Meanwhile, leave it to others to beat the crap out of the GOP, prosecute their wrongdoings, and hold hearings out the wazoo as well, as he concentrates on speaking over the heads of all other politicians, directly to the people.

This was the aspect of Reagan's formula that worked.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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"the only conceivable option" So, when your only tool is a hammer... (0.00 / 0)
...every problem looks like a nail! Only that in this case, there are other tools available, but the (post-p)artisan has a tunnel vision which prevents him from seeing them.
8-(

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Agreed on the self-deluding quality (0.00 / 0)
He reminds me of all those "serious" politicians back in the 30's who claimed that despite his theatrics and seeming crazy talk, Hitler was probably a decent fellow who could be reasoned with. I'm not saying that today's Repubs are QUITE as bad as Der Fuhrer (although some of them clearly show such tendencies and would have fit right into the third reich), but these people are obviously malicious little shits who can only be dealt with by bashing in their brains (politically, of course) until they can be tamed or silenced. And yet Obama appears to view them as legitimate and reasonable political adversaries who just happen to hold different beliefs, and is thus dealing with them as such. Either that, or he really is a sellout. Or just plain nuts. And I'm increasinly leaning towards the latter view.

I know people like him. Smart pseudo-intellectual posers who've convinced themselves that they're brilliant beyond imagination, who surround themselves with worshippers so their deluded self-image never gets challenged, only reinforced.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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absolutely right on! (4.00 / 1)
But no magical thinking guided candidate Obama to see that he could only get elected by appealing for the left-most policy positions.

He is extraordinarily bright, but he fails to see that the clear path of governance must also lean more to his left, yet again.

Political messaging doesn't help when the public burden is so high. It's been time to put up or shut up, and we get Rahm Emanuel.


They only call it class war when we fight back.


I Don't Think You Understood Him (0.00 / 0)
What's really different about America in 2008-2010 than 1980? Because I think we can admit that no matter WHAT happened to the economy under Republican misrule (assume Ronald Reagan had defeated Jerry Ford and won election and then the economy tanked as badly as in 2008) -- America would STILL NEVER have elected a black man President in 1980. Period.

So, it wasn't just a decade of Republican misrule or the bad economy or lack of jobs. Those things made voters OPEN to new ideas, but what has really changed is that the times are different because a new generation has come around and most of the old ones have died off.

That's all I think Obama was saying when he says that the nation "was ready."

Scientists say that the only way to get science to accept  a significant paradigm shift is to publish your new theory and then wait for all the old scientists to did off. It's a cynical witticism with a grain of truth.

All I think Obama is saying in that piece is exactly what I've been saying for years and exactly what YOU say just below -- not that Republican ideas were right, but that they dominated a certain stretch of time. And you know WHY they dominated a period between 1980 and 2008:

More than 40 years have passed since the Voting Rights Act, which Reagan described in 1980 as "humiliating to the South." Yet Southern white voting behavior remains distinctive. Democrats decisively won the popular vote in last year's House elections, but Southern whites voted Republican by almost two to one.

THAT's why! Southern whites shifted to the GOP by 1980, but northern whites had not yet shifted to the Dems, and minorities were not yet a significant portion of the electorate (less than 10% in 1972). Now they're 27% and going up every year towards a minority-majority country around 2040 and Obama won 53% with essentially the "McGovern Coalition".

But Obama couldn't come out and say: "Republicans won because of 2 decades of white southern racism and now times are different." He'd be destroyed in the media.

Noam Chomsky calls Nixon the "last liberal President" because he still governed in an era with an essentially LIBERAL New Deal view of government action. He was trying to reign in "activist government."

The "Reagan Revolution" should really have happened in 1976. The country was "ready" by then -- primed by 8 years of "white backlash" against the civil rights movement, the womens' movement, the anti-war movement and the counter-culture, was complete. Watergate delayed it for 4 years, that's all. If Kennedy had won it might have been further delayed -- to 1984 for instance.

So, Obama was right. The TIMES were "right" for a transformative figure -- who paradoxically sold himself as a NON-Threatening NON-Transformative figure. ("There you go again.") Similarly a black man who comes off even 1% "angry negro" is NOT going to win white votes and he knows that.

That a black man now get elected President DESPITE the blatant racism of many whites (especially in the South) is what was different about America in 2008 and much of what he always described as "post-partisanship."

P.S. Your analysis of the 1980 race is therefore essentially beside the point. Had Carter won or had Kennedy won it would have been another Clinton Presidency -- under intense assault from an ascendant right wing.

If Obama misunderstands his moment it's that he didn't come out fighting from day one. And THAT I believe is because he's so worried about coming off as an "angry negro" and stirring up that latent white racism that he soft-pedals everything. That shying away from conflict -- being the "anti-Jesse Jackson" -- is why he may miss his moment.

But, once again -- even if he does that's NOT going to stop the essential change of our country -- any more than electing Jimmy Carter stopped the inevitable rise of the right wing -- which as you point out had virtually NOTHING to do with Reagan and LOTS to do with white-backlash.

America is STILL going to become a minority-majority country. A majority is STILL going to demand (and eventually receive) an activist federal government that taxes and spends on social programs -- because that makes sense, the rest of the world has it, and minorities have always supported government as the potential agent of protection against hostile PRIVATE forces.

It's really a question of how far the right-wing can drive us down into a ditch of financial ruin before they are overwhelmed.  


More Obama Apologetics...Yawn! (0.00 / 0)
What's really different about America in 2008-2010 than 1980? Because I think we can admit that no matter WHAT happened to the economy under Republican misrule (assume Ronald Reagan had defeated Jerry Ford and won election and then the economy tanked as badly as in 2008) -- America would STILL NEVER have elected a black man President in 1980. Period.

So, it wasn't just a decade of Republican misrule or the bad economy or lack of jobs. Those things made voters OPEN to new ideas, but what has really changed is that the times are different because a new generation has come around and most of the old ones have died off.

That's all I think Obama was saying when he says that the nation "was ready."

But that's not what he said.  He said:

"I think we're in one of those times right now. Where people feel like things as they are going aren't working. We're bogged down in the same arguments that we've been having, and they're not useful."

But why confuse things with the facts?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Your missing a very important point that Paul is making (4.00 / 1)
by recounting that exchange with the Reno Nevada newspaper editorial board.

Obama revealed his closet racism when he belittled the huge changes of the 60's and 70's, of Civil Rights, Johnson's War on Poverty and the Women's Movement, as mere "excesses." The link is to a Matt Stoller blog here on Open Left, which explains this.

Paul very insightfully points out that this is the "coded language" of racism in our Post Civil Rights world.

Nevertheless, I don't think it would have changed anything if the mainstream media correctly perceived the racism. Obama would have been elected anyway.

Ted Kennedy's endorsement of Obama, and the massive entourage of support and momentum that meant, came on Jan. 28, 2009, after the Nevada exchange. The endorsement clinched the nomination.

Similarly, the Polifact piece is dated prior to the endorsement as it was a response to Bill Clinton's remarks made on Jan. 18. Clinton tried to use Obama's slip to help Hillary's campaign. Probably the timing of the endorsement was coincidental, but it remains effective damage control.  


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In the US political system of the last century or so -- (4.00 / 1)
 -- designed to support the economic system, and its entrenched power centers, of course -- Obama and Reagan, or any Democratic or Republican President, fulfill their roles in maintaining that system.

I first watched a Dem Party convention on TV in 1952 as a five-year-old. My mother explained the 2-party system thus: "The Republicans are for big business, and the Democrts are for the little guy." That was good enough for me at the time...even as the DP leadership nominated Stevenson, the strongest pro-Wall St, pro-war, pro-police-state candidate.

Later, my service to the United States at the point of the spear of a great-liberal Democratic President's foreign policy (based on lies), in Vietnam  and Laos, while friends and colleagues suffered at home under his domestic police-state policies, drove me to totally reject conventional-wisdom propaganda my Mom labored under (along with most of the Dem base -- and Republican base, for that matter)...and start paying attention to what politicians DID rather than just what they said; to history rather than propaganda, to reality rather than spin.

I view alleged "pragmatism" and "realism" through a lens polished by C Wright Mills' concept of "crackpot realism."

Both Parties support neoliberal capitalist economic policy (deregulation and privatization, regressive taxation, taxing work not wealth, rewarding speculation instead of work, socialized losses with private gains on speculation, etc) and its requirements: imperial foreign policy, the unaccountable National Security State, restricted ballot access, privately-funded all-but-permanent election campaigns.

They need each other to maintain the illusion of "democracy," lest the people -- "the Beast" in Hamilton's view -- rise up against their "rightful" masters. After all, the people that OWN the country ought to run it...

Since I began voting in 1968, my answer to the PTB has been "fuck you." Political energy is too scarce and precious to waste on the "Democratic" or "Republican" Parties.  


Crackpot Realism, Indeed! (0.00 / 0)
An always-welcome reminder of a true voice of sanity and insight.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Isn't it odd (4.00 / 3)
that America's first black president would subscribe to the "great white males" school of historical thought. Are his heroes of the civil rights movement Abraham Lincoln and LBJ? Great diary Paul!

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Iran Hostage crisis, 9/11 and 2000 election theft (4.00 / 2)
I didn't vote for Jimmy Carter in 1976 because even then I knew he was too conservative and was validating right wing ideas..back then in particular I remember his susceptibility to anti regulatory measures ( I voted for a 3rd party left wing candidate)

But what does it mean that each time the Republicans narrowly take control it is either through some foreign policy crisis...a la Shock Doctrine.  Or it's literally by hook or by crook.

Bush stole the election in 2000 by using the power the right had created through the Supreme Court.  They were unafraid to use it.  They were unafraid to send in military ballots after the election was over.  They were unafraid to intimidate the Miami Beach board from continuing counting.  They have the fierceness of their vicious convictions.

Reagan and Bush's dad were unafraid to go negotiate with the Iranians to release the hostages after the elections.
They felt their cause was right and so there should be no impediments to achieving it.  

Democrats are fearful of even using the legitimate weapons they have at hand.  Reconicliation for instance.  Or interim appointments.  Or firing the parliamentarian for a better one.  Or getting a new Fed chairman.  Why do all Fed chairman have to start out as Republican appointees? In the special prosecutor era, only Republicans were appointed special prosecutors, even by Democrats.

It isn't just changing our ideas, or that some Democrat's  ideological mindset is in a vise, ( of our making I must say.  We need to change our stance from pride in our magnanimity and tolerance to a fierceness in doing what is needed to advance our cause.  

Hazlitt, early 19th century political philosopher.

While they are cutting your throat, or putting the gag in your mouth, you talk of nothing but liberality, freedom of inquiry, and douce humanité. Their object is to destroy you, your object is to spare them---to treat them according to your own fancied dignity. They have sense and spirit enough to take all advantages that will further their cause: you have pedantry and pusillanimity enough to undertake the defence of yours, in order to defeat it.

"They betray the cause by not defending it as it is attacked, tooth and nail, might and main, without exception and without remorse."

Too many of our leaders subscribe to this mindset and have for far too long...

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


Boy Howdy! (0.00 / 0)
But what does it mean that each time the Republicans narrowly take control it is either through some foreign policy crisis...a la Shock Doctrine.  Or it's literally by hook or by crook.

It means they're a criminal conspiracy.  But stating the obvious is enough to get you labeled as nuts.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Obama is a formulaic post-60's neoliberal with a pseudo-populist veneer (4.00 / 1)
who has so deeply internalized the neoliberal mindset that he literally isn't aware of how great a hold it has over him, or that it even has a hold on him, and that he's carrying out its precepts to a tee, almost if not actually robotically. His words and actions are so predictable at this point, it's almost comical (but actually tragic). Which is the exact opposite of the intellectual that he's still made out to be, because to be an intellectual you must, almost by definition, stand outside of any dogma that you might subscribe to, and be able and willing to re-asses it critically on a regular basis--and then re-asses THAT criticism. And Obama does not, and perhaps cannot, do that, which is what makes him a pseudo-intellectual who has merely mastered the forms, and not substance, of the intellectual process.

But even at the practical policy and politics level, he seems not only unwilling to engage in genuinely critical and imaginative thinking and action that might take neoliberal ideas and policies as a starting point but is willing if not eager to assess them critically, but actually incapable of doing this, or of even realizing that he NEEDS to be doing this, to be a good president. Instead, he appears to be acting out some predetermined script that he worked out over the years, that tells him how a Democratic president should act, and still doesn't even begin to grasp that this script frankly sucks and is not  really working, at the policy or political level. It's like he's living out his pre-presidential fantasy of what being president is like, instead of actually BEING president, as the times, and the progressive values that he continues refers to (but only partially and often not at all fulfills) demand.

He is like Reagan in that both "acted" the part of president. But he's unlike Reagan in that he's not doing anywhere near as good a job merely as an actor. And in any case, we don't need another Reagan, i.e. a charismatic and dishonest fake populist who basically serves as the establishment's front man, but a real president, of all the people, who does what real presidents--of all the people--do. Namely, solve real, serious and urgent problems, using the best ideas and principles of the times, which these days are indisputibly progressive ones, not neoliberal let alone conservative ones (and I dare anyone to prove me wrong). But he doesn't appear to get this, at all, which is quite scary. Smart as he is, he's not immune to profound self-deception, pseudo-intellectual groupthink, and vanity. And I fear that he simply does not have the intellectual or characterological ability to get that, and get beyond it.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


"he appears to be acting out some predetermined script" (4.00 / 3)
Your comment made me think: there's a whole cluster of behaviors aligned with President Obama's defenses (as detailed earlier by Paul here)-mediating, acting as "transcendent objective observer"-that seem cool, detached and cerebral. We'd be hard-pressed to say what, if anything, he's passionate about. (For all of FDR's opaqueness in his personal life, at least he seemed to be enjoying, almost relishing, his role as President-he fully occupied the role.)

Obama is sort of facilitating (badly, even disastrously, because of his limitations outlined by Paul in this post) but not leading. (And I'm not predisposed to directive leadership. I've always liked Laozi's "A leader is best whose people say 'We did it ourselves'" but Obama has hardly empowered those who supported or voted for him to do anything.)


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Some time ago (4.00 / 3)
I referred to Obama as a facilitator rather than a leader, and Paul rightly corrected me by saying that a real facilitator IS a leader, in the sense of facilitating positive action, just in a more collaborative than top-down manner, and that Obama failed this test as well. Which made me realize that what I'd really meant was that Obama was pretending to be a facilitator, in the stereotypical post-60's non-confrontational, workshop-based, touchy-feely way that shows like South Park regularly (and rightfully IMO) mock, but was not actually a facilitator in the true, original sense of the word. He was, basically, a faux progressive soft demagogue, sort of the Bob Roberts of the left.

He might still have it in him to change all this and actually lead. But it would likely go against character, and as they say, character is destiny.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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"political attitudes shifting to the right" (4.00 / 2)
I think your post perfectly exposes Obama's misreading of history, Paul and is quite brilliant.

I was curious about Prof. Stimson's chart showing attitudes shifting rightward at times and looked back at your earlier post that explained it.

At the risk of misstating your earlier thesis, I just wanted to note that, even within the shifting attitudes, the mood has always been predominantly liberal from the 1950s on, as you said in your earlier piece (and on many other occasions). There's a mismatch in the candidates people (conservative, really) vote for and the true values they have. The gap is based on images of identity, not on people's values and priorities. So Obama's misreading of history is not just one of timing (or cause-and-effect) but of what people really want. A true leader could actually help have people align their values with their voting (and cement a true progressive hegemony in this country); Obama, in fact, is confusing the situation even more so.


Spot On (4.00 / 2)
This is one of the key things that people always miss when trying to make the ridiculously strained argument that FDR was really just a centrist pol just like Obama.  First, I think it significantly under-appreciates Roosevelt's progressive track record, particularly as NY Governor.

But even more fundamentally, it overlooks Roosevelt's vaslty superior grasp of the nature of true leadership, as well as the nature of history and the challenges of the moment in light of history.  It was this grasp that allowed him to be a clarifying leader, while, as you put it, Obama "is confusing the situation even more so."

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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My reading of Obama vs. FDR (4.00 / 1)
is that FDR, whether due to upbringing, experience or some innate qualities--and likely all three--was a stronger, tougher, more realistic, combative and honest politician (and likely man) than Obama. I.e. for whatever reasons, he could see the world more honestly, as it actually was, than Obama can, and could take it on with more fight and skill than Obama appears capable of. What his apologists ascribe to Obama as his "pragmatism" is in reality his fear of conflict, and what they ascribe to him as his "vision" is in reality his self-delusion. Like all the other presidential comparisans made about Obama, this one falls way flat, too. He is no Lincoln, JFK, LBJ, or FDR. More like Carter + Clinton.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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Roosevelt Represented The Best Side of Aristocracy (0.00 / 0)
which was certainly assisted a great deal by his own personal suffering.

People from that social class (the Roosevelts have been upper class since the 1600s) really do have nothing to prove, and thus, if they chose, they can actually be among the best politicial leaders we are likely to get.

One reason the Kennedys were so good (and continue to be, albeit in lower-profile roles) is that they were consciously competing with the Boston Brahmin elite that was as old and established as the Roosevelts were.  (And yes, I rank JFK as the least impressive of the lot.)

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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That's my take on FDR too (0.00 / 0)
I.e. noblesse oblige in its most egalitarian and liberal (and in his case effective) form, along with how his infirmity made him a better and more empathic person. (As opposed to its inversion, in the form of degenerate Nth-generation misanthropes like Scaife and Forbes).

Of course, high-minded and effective leaders come in all forms and from all backgrounds--as do low-minded and ineffective ones. Ultimately, it comes down to character and soul. I.e. whether one has them or not, and whether they're up to the task of leading. And one doesn't have to be "evil" to do great harm (or fail to do much good when there's an opportunity and need to do so). It's sufficient for one to be weak and foolish and way out of one's league.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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I also had the impression that (0.00 / 0)
when FDR inveighed against "the old enemies of peace-business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering," he really knew the score. He knew the aristocracy because, of course, he was the aristocracy. Even as he represented "the best side of aristocracy," as Paul said, he had to be well aware of the worst side. (In contrast, when Obama says something like "Insurance executives don't do this [cherry-pick customers or rescind contracts] because they're bad people; they do it because it's profitable," he sounds utterly clueless and tonedeaf. It would be like FDR saying that "the 'enemies of peace' aren't bad people; they do what they do-monopolize, speculate, reckless banking and the rest-because it's profitable.") And the upper class, while denouncing FDR as a "traitor to his class," could hardly intimate that he was acting on the basis of class envy or somehow failed to grasp their beneficence. His "insider status" made him all the more potent and effective.

Interestingly, William E. Leuchtenberg has a slightly different take [emphasis added]:

In expanding the orbit of the State, Roosevelt demanded that business recognize the superior authority of the government in Washington. At the time, that was shocking doctrine. In the pre-New Deal period, government had often been the handmaiden of business, and many presidents had shared the values of businessmen. When FDR made clear that he did not hold the same values, he was denounced as a traitor to his class. But in one way Roosevelt was not of their class. He was a member of the landed gentry and the old mercantile stratum who could claim ancient lineage. Claes Martenzen van Rosenvelt, the first of the clan in the New World, had come to New Amsterdam in the seventeenth century. Both the Roosevelts and the Delanos were prosperous merchant families who had derived much of their fortunes from seafaring. As a landowner with a Hudson River estate, a man from a family that moved easily in the Edith Wharton universe of Knickerbocker society, Roosevelt approached economic problems with different preconceptions from those of the industrialist or the financier on the make.


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Your honor, I didn't mean to kill the guy--honest! (0.00 / 0)
He was just getting between me and the cash register!

Yeah, Obama sounds that moronic when he says something like that. Even he probably doesn't buy half the crap that comes out of his mouth, but he's said such disengenuous things for so long, he probably doesn't know how to speak differently at this point, so second nature is his knack for pander and bullshit, and his affinity for safe and easy shortcuts.

As for FDR, yeah, he was old money, at least as old as it gets in the US, the scion of the original Dutch settlers. No neuveau riche arriviste robber baron industrialist one or two generations removed from the dirty fingernail set was he, which gave him a certain leeway politically. But I've got to believe that much of this was the result of character and upbringing and not just a sense of patrician noblesse oblige.

But as I've said, there've been villians and heros and everything in between from all classes and backgrounds in US history, and ultimately, it comes down to character and soul, not background. You either have them or you don't, it seems. And if Obama has them, he'd better find them, soon, or else we're headed for political disaster, and it'll be because President Hope just didn't have the spine and sense and decency to take on the establishment.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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"at least as old as it gets" (0.00 / 0)
Yeah, when your ancestor arrives in New Amsterdam and your lineage on the continent goes back seven generations.

I tend to think of FDR almost as one of those Victorians who built for the ages (think "Brooklyn Bridge"), even though he was a generation or so after them. I can't think of anyone in US politics today with that kind of vision.

I'm not holding out much hope (ugh!) for Obama to change. (It just seems to get worse and stupider and worse. Idiots.)


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There are times when I wonder (0.00 / 0)
if this isn't just a matter of his being foolish, cowardly and even corrupt, but perhaps also of something deeper. That is, some weird psychological need to destroy liberalism forever. Was he spurned by some hot progressive woman at Columbia? Is this some sort of reverse Oedipal Complex? Did he go through a David Brock-like experience in college? Is he trying to score points with substitute father figures like Lieberman and Hatch? Is this some sort of manifestation of self-loathing--if only he can kill liberalism, he can win the respect of the kids who made fun of him in grade school? I know that this sounds crazy, but I just can't come up with any good reasons for why he'd do this, especially with the zeal that he's trying to do it. What is it about liberalism that he so despises, especially seeing as he ran as one?

Damn would I love to hear Jeremiah Wright's take on this. Perhaps his bizarre behavior during the primaries wasn't as self-destructive and crazy as it seemed at the time. Perhaps he knows something about Obama that the rest of us REALLY need to hear about. This is just surreally weird.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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For The Psychology (0.00 / 0)
Read my diary on reaction formation--and especially the discussion, where I finally understand what's confusing people, and offer an important clarification.

I'm not saying this is the whole story, but I do think it's a very good starting place.  A toehold, as it were.  A way to stop flailing around and start making progress.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Oh, just one more… (0.00 / 0)
Here's Ian today on more Obama stupidity.

Ian's final line "Schmuck.  He still thinks he's Reagan for the 21st century" says it all.

It's not even painful any more, it's pathetic.


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Could You Imagine Obama Saying (0.00 / 0)
"Gangsters don't do this [kill their competition] because they're bad people; they do it because it's profitable,"

Somehow, I just can't.

A lack of imagination on my part, I suppose.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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"he could see the world more honestly" prolly because he was depressed! (4.00 / 1)
Remember the recent studies that show that depressed people see the world in a more realistic light? FDR had good reasons to be depressed because of his sad state of health. And as far as I remember biographies like "No ordinary man" show that the disease had an impact on his character. No misunderstanding, he didn't let it overwhelm him, but the constant toll it had on his daily life must have eliminated the shallow optimism so typical for many politicians, that shows in his pre-1921 carreer. Imho, the young Roosevelt wasn't that much different from Obama, a populist Dem who didn't really feel the hardship of the poor and downtrodden. But when he made his comeback, he was a different, more complex person, able to connect with his voters in a deeper, more emphatical way. Imho it's not to farfetched to conclude that his sickness also shapened his view of the political and economical realities of his times.

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There's long been a weird disconnect (4.00 / 2)
between what most Americans preferred in terms of policies and goals, and what they preferred in terms of identity and "values". On the former, they've unmistakenly been left-leaning. But on the latter, they've tended to be right-leaning. E.g. preferring politicians who seem "strong" and "decisive" over those who advocate liberal policies (Ike vs. the egghead, Bush vs. John French Kerry, etc.). Repubs have been masters at exploiting this disconnect, while Dems have generally sucked at it, to the point where they don't even seem to see it or understand how important it is in American politics.

So while, on average, even with today's corporate-dominated Democratric party, Dems still better represent the true day to day bread and butter interests of most Americans more than do Repubs, it's the Repubs who are still seen by many as the peoples' party, and the Dems more as the party of soulless technocrats. The media pushes this meme aggressively on a daily basis, in a completely unself-critical way, as if it's completely self-evident and beyond question. Chris Matthews' entire show is based upon this premise that Dems are the party of effete elitists who have given up on everyday Americans, and that Repubs, as incompetent and corrupt as they might be, have taken up this role.

And Obama, stupidly, and I now believe unconsciously, buys into this false meme, and plays right along with it, as evidenced by his unending calls for moderation and bipartisanship, and his conflating the "far left" with the actual far right. He really does appear to believe that even though most Americans might prefer liberal policies, they want to be led by Reaganesque daddy figures, who, being Reaganesque daddy figures, are naturally going to promote anti-liberal policies. By refusing to advance and re-introduce the long since abandoned notion that liberals can also be tough fighters for the common man and woman, and instead reinforcing the meme that only Repubs (and Dems who act like Repubs) can do this, he drastically hurts any chance of advancing liberal policies. It's like trying to sell Coke while admitting that Pepsi is probably better. Huh?!? Have a spine, Barack, and stop being an apologetic shmuck!

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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There's more to overcoming the gap than just perceiving it (0.00 / 0)
One of the important points of this diary, IMHO, is the levels of infrastructure Conservatives created while Reagan was in office.

Paul writes:

What changed with Reagan--not a result of him, but with him as a prime exemplar--was the right's systematic appropriation of left/progressive strategy and tactics for reactionary ends. The right reinvented think tanks as long-term strategic policy messaging entities; it created an ideological media with a pretense of objectivity, while mercilessly attacking the relatively non-ideological, but establishment, media as ideologically biased; it created a permanent top-down counterpart to progressive social movements that ebbed and flowed dramatically over time, only rarely mobilizing for national political effect; ...

And this from the conclusion:

Contrary to the mythology, [Reagan] did not change a lot of people's minds, as the chart that begins this diary indicates. But he did fire up his base, and make it much, much easier for the conservative movement as a whole to engage in vigorous institution building and mult-faceted hegemonic warfare.  In short, he empowered all those who were naturally behind him and he vigorously promoted the hegemonic language of conservatism.

Then, there's the point that Obama is not bringing this leadership, and as you say, even confuses the situation.

That certainly seems true - his vague "principles" on healthcare, initial choice of Clinton/Rubinite economic advisors, escalating war, etc.

Still, rather than just concluding Obama is not a Reagan or an FDR type leader, can't we ask the question why not push Obama to be a transformative president?

Here's a link to an article in The Progressive magazine, from about a year ago. The author says don't wait for Obama to build the bandwagon - build it for him to jump on.
http://www.progressive.org/mag...
(It even makes reference to how Matt Stoller/Open Left and Jane Hamsher/Firedoglake "were undermined by a rally round the candidate mentality" during the FISA fight. It quotes Hamsher saying, "We can get the public engaged.)

While we're at it, we might as well not be in denial anymore about the Democratic Party. Obama can only be a transformative president, and thereby transform the party, if there is a Progressive push to make it so.  FDR needed that push and he got it.
For more on FDR see this diary, a part of John Emerson's series on populism:
http://openleft.com/diary/1547...


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Yeah, blame the victims! (0.00 / 0)
"Obama can only be a transformative president, and thereby transform the party, if there is a Progressive push to make it so."
D'oh. Just another way of excusing the president's failures! Yeah, if he doesn't move to the left, it must be the fault of pogressives not pushing hard enough. As if there isn't overwhelming evidence that Obama DOESN'T WANT to jump on the bandwaggon that's waiting for him in front of the WH. FISA, the stimulus bill, nomination of progessive officials, union card check reform, the public option, drug imports, etc etc etc - how many opportunities to jump on the waggon and drive west has Barack to miss before the followers like you will finally wake up and smell the rotten tomatoes? That guy doesn't want to go that way! Period.

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You may be right about the "guy doesn't want to go that way!" But (4.00 / 1)
I was not blaming the victim, ie, Progressives for Obama's failure.

My intention was to say that ok, Obama is not the president we thought he'd be. Accept this fact and move on. It will take a Progressive movement to make him/help him be the president we thought we were electing.  


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Also, my most optimistic reading of Obama (0.00 / 0)
is that deep down he does have predominantly progressive views (if more skewed towards the center than most progressives would like), and does mean well, meaning that he wants what's best for everyone, and not just entitled or fortunate elites (even if he goes about it in a way that does favor the latter), but that he ultimately lacks the character, experience, mindset, judgement and skills that are necessary to actually enact progressive policies, and do what's best for Americans, with respect to the specific political, economic and other constraints and realities of our time. I.e. a basically good, well-meaning and even smart man, who's nevertheless TOTALLY out of his element in the job that he went after and won.

I'm not saying that this IS who Obama really is. Perhaps he really is a deliberate and unconcerned sellout and always has been. But even if he has something of a liberal "soul", he's clearly not up to the task of actually liberalizing the country after decades of reactionary regression. Not because he's not a smart and well-meaning man, but because he's a weak, inexperienced, self-deluding, foolish and vain man, who simply does not have the qualities necessary to take on the big issues of our time--nor the self-insight to know it (which if he did, would have led him to not run in the first place).

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


Well My Reaction Formation Interpretation Says He IS Progressive Deep Down (4.00 / 1)
It just doesn't do us a whole lot of good.

So far, at least, that's the interpretation that makes the most sense to me.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I.e. "But he MEANS well!" (4.00 / 2)
Which, of course, along with $1.50 + tax buys you a tall drip coffee at Starbucks.

I've known this type of person long before I ever heard of Obama, and saw them for the posers and fools that they were, even if they really DID mean well. You can mean well all you want, but if you're not cognizant of what it takes to actually DO well (and the rules on that have been pretty much known for millenia, with various refinements over the centuries), or willing to do these things, then it all amounts to nothing, if not less than nothing, in the sense of wasting valuable time that could have been better spent actually doing good.

Which is why the 11D chess defense was always bunk, and only fellow traveller fools and posers thought or said otherwise.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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Why do we all keep giving him the adjective that he is 'smart'? (4.00 / 1)

Where does he show this characteristic?

When he discusses history?

No

When he persists in an activity - bipartisanship- which has achieved nothing that will impact Americans' lives in a transformative positive fashion?

I'm just not seeing it.

In choosing his staff and Cabinent?

No.

So why do we keep on saying it?



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I think that by "smart" (4.00 / 1)
we generally mean possessing a high natural intelligence, regardless of what he's chosen or been able to do with it. I.e. SAT or IQ test smart, not real-world (or even academic) smart, where an ability to impressively bullshit is finally put to the test. He is certainly intelligent. But I would agree that put to real-world tests, he's not all that smart.

I hope this helps clarify things.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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