Krugman: If not Bernanke, who?

by: Daniel De Groot

Sat Jan 23, 2010 at 20:00


Krugman:


That said, however, what is the alternative? Calculated Risk says we can do better. But can we, really?

It's not that hard to think of people who have the intellectual chops for the job of Fed chair but aren't fully part of the Borg. But it's very hard to think of people with those qualities who have any chance of actually being confirmed, or of carrying the FOMC with them even if named as chairman (which is one reason why this suggestion is crazy). Does it make sense to deny Bernanke reappointment simply in order to appoint someone who would follow the same policies?

I'm new to the obscure world of the Fed, but I don't think things are as hopeless as Paul assumes.  "FOMC" is the Federal Open Markets Committee, of which the Fed Chair is just 1 vote.  It is made up of the Federal Reserve Board, the President of the NY Fed and four other rotating regional Fed Bank Presidents.  I'm guessing that in the Greenspan and Bernanke eras, the FOMC (and Fed Board itself) would back the Chair without fail.  What if that changed?

Daniel De Groot :: Krugman: If not Bernanke, who?
Paul's concern is worth consideration, if Obama picks someone outside the mold of the usual "GOP Daddies" the banking world is used to, could s/he be regularly at loggerheads with the FOMC?  What would be the implications of a Fed Chair unable to effectively lead the institution?  

For one thing, Paul is missing that Obama isn't limited to just replacing Bernanke as Fed Chair with some DFH, leaving him or her to face this group alone:

Probably why Krugman doesn't want the job

It turns out that there are two vacancies* on the Federal Reserve Board.  A new Chair would not have to be without allies.

Next, the Federal Reserve Board gets to elect 3 out of the 9 members of the boards of each regional Fed Bank, the "Class C" directors.  The Class C directors are not bankers, they're there to represent the People, and they also serve as the Chair and Vice-Chairs of the regional boards.  If any one of the 4 incumbent members of the Federal Reserve Board is persuadable (only one has a term that ends during Obama's first term, though this guy was an Obama pick, on his first day in office), the new Chair could start to turn around the management of the regional banks, many of which are due to replace their Presidents in 2011.  The point here being that those Presidents also serve on the FOMC, and if some of them can be replaced with people less inured to the Greenspan financial system consensus, again a better Fed Chair than Bernanke could improve policy at the Fed.

Clearly the Federal Reserve System was designed to make it difficult for a first term President to make a huge policy impact, but it certainly seems like now is the time to start this fight.  Rather than giving up on the premise that it would be better to have a GOP Daddy who can at least "get things done", maybe Americans should see Obama's Fed Chair pick fighting with the entrenched players.  Paul acknowledges that Bernanke has been ignoring the "full employment" part of his mandate while fixating on inflation.  Perhaps the institutional culture of the Fed agrees with this, but that's all the more reason to start turning this ship around now, rather than later.

Obama is evidently looking for ways to "be on the right side of the debate" (h/t illissius):


In talks with his financial team, Mr. Obama started letting his frustration show, asking why he was on the wrong side of the "too big to fail" debate.
[...]
In December, Mr. Obama decided he wanted to be on what he saw as "the right side" of the debate, according to an administration official.

This is a good one.

* - No doubt I will be informed that some silly Senate convention means that the two vacancies get picked by Mitch McConnell, and if Obama doesn't obey this convention, the Republicans will be extra mean to him and oppose his legislative agenda while giving Joe Biden noogies on the Senate floor.


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John Tepper Marlin (0.00 / 0)
this guy is as progressive as they come.

John Tepper Marlin has been working in Washington, DC starting in April 2009. He has also, through May 11, 2009, been teaching CSR to MBA and MPA students as Adjunct Professor at NYU's Stern School of Business. Until March 2009 he consulted under the name CityEconomist, most recently on a study with Professor Jurgen Brauer on the GDP lost from conflict. In 2006 he retired as Chief Economist in the Office of the New York City Comptroller, a position he held under the current Comptroller and two prior Comptrollers, whom he served for 13 years.

A graduate of Harvard (A.B. cum laude), Oxford (BA, MA) and George Washington (Ph.D. in economics) Universities, his first full-time job was as a financial economist in Washington, D.C. with the Federal Reserve Board, the Small Business Administration and Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. For 20 years he served as President and CEO of the Council on Municipal Performance and JTM Reports.


"this guy is as progressive as they come. " And that's the problem. (0.00 / 0)
As some others here say, too, we have to look for candidates that have a chance to become confirmed. A known progressive would be indefinetely blocked by a rethuglican fool like DeMint. What we need is doesn't look like a radical, but who will move the Fed towards job creating policies. That would be a real impovement.

However, Marlin's resume looks great, a mainstream climb to the top, no extremes. Did he ever do something that would be "unacceptable" to the damn right wing hypocrites, like stomping for the unions, or something?


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What about Volker? (4.00 / 2)
Hell, he had the job under Reagan.


Yeah, I suggested this in a quick hit comment. (4.00 / 2)
Multiple people didn't like the idea.

Truth be told, I don't really know that much about him, and maybe those people are right. He seems like he has a lot of competence and integrity, not beholden to the big banks in the least, and he solved inflation very effectively last time he had the job -- but the big question is, would he fight unemployment just as effectively this time around? Or would he continue to fight inflation?

At any rate, he at least seems like someone with a good chance of actually having the Senate confirm him, so worth looking into, at the least.


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Last time (4.00 / 3)
he was entirely beholden to the bond market, which is worse than being beholden to the banks.  And his effective solution to the inflation problem was predicated on the misery of millions of working class Americans.  He has just as much blame for what happened to unions and working people in this country during the 80s as Reagan did.

I haven't followed his post-Fed career.  I know he headed that oil for food corruption panel for the UN.  Maybe he has changed his mind on some things.  Maybe he cares a bit more about whether the working class in this country and across the world suffer, and maybe he cares less about long term bond yields.

Maybe.  But last time I trusted someone to be better than his record suggested he was I got burned big time.


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I agree (0.00 / 0)
with everything you say about Volker; he's hardly a progressive dream candidate. But he's better than Bernanke and could be confirmed.  

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Thanks for the post (4.00 / 1)
I was surprised by Krugman's take...he has complained about Bernanke, along with all of us...and yet now when we're just on the verge of removing this guy, Paul gets the cold sweats and freezes up. Where's the killer instinct?

Bernanke's in trouble; let's put the dagger in, and finish him off.


It's called (4.00 / 1)
looking before you leap.

It's a healthy instinct to have.


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Maybe it's because ... (0.00 / 0)
Bernanke used to be his boss at Princeton .. so K-Thug doesn't want to completely shit all over his former boss .. though he knows his ex-boss might have to move on .. I guess the PC term would be .. Krugman doesn't want to burn his bridges .. or piss off old friends

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Shitty ad hominem attack, Calvin. (0.00 / 0)
Really, lousy point. Krugman even discloses this info, and acknoledges that this influences him!

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It's not an ad hominem attack, Gray (0.00 / 0)
All it does is repeat admissions made by Krugman himself in the Krugman's post on this. The one he ended with a blunt admission that he's "agonizing." The subject of that Krugman post was that he's all verklempt about it.

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Calling Kugman "K-Thug" isn't ad hominem? (0.00 / 0)
Uh huh.

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I thought of it as a compliment to Krugman (0.00 / 0)
At best, Krugman is damning Bernanke with faint praise. In that sense, K-Thug is a compliment.

Anyway, however nicely it alliterates, it's hard to take calling Krugman K-Thug so seriously as to tag it ad hominem.

Small stuff.


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My choice is someone we have never heard of before (4.00 / 2)
That is really my only condition.  Someone without a political power base of their own.  Someone who will not have the pre-existing standing to make Senators go all googly eyed when they spout off the jargon.  Someone who the Republicans don't already have a talking points dossier on.  Someone who is wholly dependent on Obama politically.

Someone in short who will not be able to effectively make use of the Fed's semi-autonomous nature to block necessary economic action.  At this point what is good for Obama's election prospects is good for the country.  He need more employment and higher real wages.  Their pollsters must have by now convinced them that Wall Street gains and corporate profits aren't doing the job.  I am counting on desperation to move Obama towards moderately sensible ideas.


Several Good Candidates - A Bit Of A Re-post (4.00 / 3)
There are many highly qualified candidates who can replace Ben Bernanke.  All of them send a slightly different message to us and the markets as to Obama's intent to reform:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

The obvious easiest to confirm pick would be to nominate someone from within the Fed itself,  Two of those candidates could be on the above link, Janet Yellen or Thomas Hoenig, or a previous Fed chairman, Paul Volcker (he's pretty old).  

The harder to confirm picks are people who would be new to the Fed, but have the background such as Joseph Stiglitz, Simon Johnson or William Black.

Lacking confirmation, the Fed would be run by the Vice Chairman.

Honestly, if Obama is looking to get on the "right side" of the TBTF banks, there is very little downside to having Bernanke blocked.  Bernanke is part of the problem - his only saving grace best described as he told the American taxpayer how to stamp out the burning bag of dogshit on our doorstep, but only after he, and his Greespanian associates lite the bag, and watched it burn a long, long time.  Removing him sends the message that there is no more business as usual and no more rewarding failure (including the banks).

Now there is one caveat to the "no downside".  If Obama picks Larry Summers or some other Rubinite crony, the Obama has double down on the "wrong side" of the TBTF banks.

Two things will happen:

The Republicans will be forced to defend the big banks - MAKE THEM DO IT - it should send the teabaggers into a tizzy.

The markets will tank - a perfect time for Obama to have a national speech to the people about how Wall St is determine to wreck the world if they don't get their way.  But the DJIA is not "America".  America is people working at good jobs making good wages and the world's best products.  Wall St has been lying, cheating and stealing from the people long enough. That what Wall St really fears is fair and level regulation to protect the America people.  That the person he picked is not progressive or conservative, they are FAIR and EVENHANDED and will protect everybody from the blatent lying, cheating, stealing that got us into this mess.



did krugman really make that argument? (4.00 / 3)
i hate it when he acts out as a conservative.  'no one else has a chance of not challenging the status quo' is a really stupid argument for something like appointing the head of the federal reserve bank.  unless someone can work out for me what the disastrous consequences would be of having an appointment stalled.  

 


Yeah (4.00 / 3)
It doesn't ring strongly for me either "Only Bernanke can be confirmed" - what good is that if he sucks and is doing the wrong things?  If Bernanke was at least willing to improve the Fed in a progressive/liberal way, I could see an argument for fighting for him.  The fact that he's the only one who can be confirmed and the only one who can run the FOMC says that things are really screwed up and this is a fight that needs fighting.

I'd rather an ineffective Fed Chair who regularly gets outvoted by the entrenched interests to highlight the battle lines and perhaps provide an impetus for congressional reform.  The Fed's powers are all just laws that can be amended.  


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See my reply above ... (0.00 / 0)
everyone here does realize that Bernanke used to be(at one time) Krugman's boss .. right?

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Krugman discloses this point in his story. (0.00 / 0)
So that is no real secret. Everybody who read his stuff should know by now.

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But some people seem to forget ... (0.00 / 0)
but it would be good if everyone knew that .. after all .. how many people remember that Obama's mother once worked for Geithner?

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Come on, Calvin, what else could Kugman have done? (0.00 / 0)
He disclosed his connection in his story, where people really can't miss and forget it! That's exemplary.

Seriously, why are you picking on the K-man recently? Because he's stomping to get healthcare passed? I don't like his promoting of THE CRAP either, but we shouldn't form a circle for a firing squad whenever some pogressives dare to disagree on a single issue!  


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I'm not ... (0.00 / 0)
I actually defending Krugman when people were bashing him during the primary .. cause they thought he wanted Hillary over Barack ... but not everyone knows history .. that's my point .. history explains a lot in D.C.(though it doesn't explain an ass like Evan Bayh obviously ... and why he's a traitor to his dad's ideals)

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Look back at it: Doesn't Hillary look better every single day? (0.00 / 0)
People were against Hillary because they thought she is too centrist, and too much in bed with big money. They thought Obama was more progressive, and really determined to change the poloitical landscape. And now look at this mess!

Really, in hindsight, Hillary conducted the much more honest campaign. No grandstanding, no huge false promises. But the voters elected the liar and pretender instead.


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Uh, a weak Chair is likely to listen to the wrong advises. (0.00 / 0)
Don't forget all the deficit hawks in the Village who want to end the era of cheap money by the Fed! If a Fed chair would listn to those, it wuld have disastous consequences for the economy and job ceation.

So, really, no, Daniel, it matters who is piloting the Fed! It matters a lot, and it could easily become worse. Just remember Greenspan!


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I wasn't using "ineffective" (4.00 / 3)
To be synonymous with "weak" - just that if the Fed Chair was too out of sync with the rest of the Fed mucky mucks, he or she would regularly be outvoted.  That's not ideal, but maybe Americans need to see a not-united Fed that actually debates shit, and understand things don't have to be the way the bankers always say.

Krugman seems to be saying you need to pick someone the bankers trust to do things their way so they'll all get along in the big SPECTRE war room pictured above.  I don't see any value in that if the decisions coming out of the fed don't change.  Better to have the Fed Chair fighting, even if s/he loses most often.


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'no one else has a chance of not challenging the status quo'? Huh? (0.00 / 0)
Sry, doc, but I'm unsure I understand what you want to say with this. And I don't think that's what Krugman says in his story. Could you pls be a bit more specific about your point?

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no one else has a chance at being confirmed (0.00 / 0)
is essentially the equivalent of 'no one else has a chance of challenging the status quo' - more or less.

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Imho it's not the same. (0.00 / 0)
"no one else has a chance at being confirmed"
That's a point about the damn filibuster having an impact on the chances of a candidate.

'no one else has a chance of challenging the status quo'
Even if this is narrowed down to the context of the Fed nomination (which isn't explicitly said), this is untrue. A candidate has the chance to challenge the status quo in the hearings (but then, he prolly won't get 60 votes), and other people can challenge the status quo, too, through protest (prolly to no avail, sadly). "Challenge" is simply the wrong wording. Maybe 'change' would have been a better choice.

However, even then, imho the comparison is rather farfetched...


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Is our nation so bankrupt (0.00 / 0)
as we only have one Fed Chairman at the ready?

The whole business smacks of ancient priesthoods and numerology.

As usual, Krugman lags.


O/T but if you wanted a reason to really stress over (4.00 / 2)
who gets to be Fed Chair, I recommend taking a look at Froomkin at HuffPo and follow the links to Nieman Watchdog.

Bad Moon Rising, folks.


I should add (0.00 / 0)
That in this fight, the Establishment will circle the wagons around Bernanke simply because of where the opposition is coming from.

Progressives and teabaggers.

And we can see the language mutate:

Progressives are "leftbaggers"

Conservatives like Obama are now Progressives.


The Message (0.00 / 0)
is coming from Massachusetts.

Maybe Obama can ignore it, but 2010 is looming large for the Dems in Congress.


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For me, the weirdest part of Krugman's post (4.00 / 2)
is the line right after what you quoted:

And yet, the Fed really needs to be shaken out of its complacency.

Wouldn't a mobilization against Bernanke, whether it succeeds or not, have the potential to shake the Fed out of it's complacency?  

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


Sure. To some degree. And Krugman acknoledges he's agonizing over this. (0.00 / 0)
However, shaking up the Fed thisway will only have short term consequences. A replacement for Helicopter Bernie will have long term consequences. And, right now, it looks as if the only other candidates who have a chance to be confirmed are those on the right of Bernanke (look at how DeMoint shot down Southers!). That's the big problem.

So, no suprise the good Prof is town about what todo. Under the current rules, improvements are impossible. "The only winning move is not to play", remember? Imho Dems have to change the rules first, before becoming able to score any victories.


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The way I read it, Krugman is agonizing (0.00 / 0)
because he thinks Bernanke deserves to be fired, yet he thinks he's brilliant, and because he thinks that even if Bernanke is replaced, even by someone good, it won't matter because of the other individuals that staff the Fed. Typically for an economist, he focuses too much, in my opinion, on individuals and not enough on institutions and political context. By shake up, he seems to be mean change a chunk of the people who staff the Fed. I don't agree - I think a political mobilization will shake things up.

If we were able to stop Bernanke and then all went home, acting like everything was fixed, then you are right, the impact would be short term.  If we mobilize against him, and realize that whether it succeeds or not, the fight isn't over, then the impact can be long term. Right now, the most important rule for the Fed is that it can act without consequences from the public. That is something that can change.

That said, I don't agree that the only other candidates who could be confirmed are to the right of Bernanke. Krugman doesn't either - he just doesn't think we can get someone better. I think we have power over the political context and not over who the individual chosen is. We should focus our energies where we have control.

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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Kerry Backing Ben- Can He Be defeated? (0.00 / 0)
it looked like bernanke was in great trouble, but it seems he si getting mroe support- reid and now kerry announced backing says wsj. we need another dem to announce opposition. no?

There are vacancies everyhwere! That's just another symptom... (0.00 / 0)
...of the obstructionism by the rethuglicans. But as long as those idiotiuc Senate rules are in place, and fools like DeMint can shoot down prfectly qualifid candidates like Southers, what can be accomplished? We need SYSTEMIC CHANGE first to get things done!

As I see it, regardless at what issue we're looking, it always shows that there are two main factors hindering improvements: The horrible lack of leadership, and the blockade in Senate, based on undemocratic rules like the filibuster. And I think progessives should concentrate on fighting the reasons for the desease. Trying to patch the symptoms is just a waste of time and efforts, imho.


Thank god (0.00 / 0)
that Bernie Sanders is starting to get some traction on the effort to get rid of Ben Bernanke. What would we do without him?

Audit the Fed. Now. (4.00 / 1)
It's a game-changer, and that's why Dodd is trying to hold it up. If the WH backed it, it would...uh...sorry, didn't mean to slip into Bizarro World. "...if the WH backed it..." hehehehehehehe

Excellent point (0.00 / 0)
The opposition to Bernanke has to be part of a larger movement, that should also include auditing the Fed, and calling for the head of Geithner.  As a longer term reform, I'd include reducing the role of private banks in the Fed, and increasing the role of people who can look out for the rest of us.  

This is how you can prevent opposition to Bernanke being like electing Obama - where we win some interim victory but then most people go home like there is nothing left to do.

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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