The biggest cause of anger

by: Mike Lux

Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 11:45


Political prognisticators inside the Beltway like to talk about all the reasons Obama's approval ratings are dropping, and what the results of the Massachusetts Senate race and other recent campaigns might mean. Is Obama communicating well enough about the key issues? Did Martha Coakley run a good campaign? Is Obama For America failing? Will David Plouffe's coming back shake things up? Was health care reform sold properly? Will Obama's budget freeze help him politically (even though it's truly terrible policy)?

You know, they are all interesting questions, and those of us who write and talk about politics for a living love to talk about them. But at the end of the day, nothing drives voters' opinion about politicians like jobs and the economy. As long as we are stuck with high unemployment and wages stuck in neutral or worse, voters are going to be angry at incumbent politicians. And the truth is that this economy has been far harder on working people than most of the inside the Beltway pundits even realize, so that anger is far bigger than the DC establishment realizes.

My friend Leo Hindery, a businessman in NYC, has taken it upon himself to look closely at the unemployment numbers, and has done some important analysis as to the actual level of misery in the jobs sector. Leo has started looking at the unemployment reports each time they come out, and factoring in things like people too discouraged to look for work, people working part time when they want and need full time jobs, and people in the shortest term jobs with no security or attachment to their place of work. The way Leo figures it, if you look at all the available data to come up with the real rate of unemployment and underemployment, it's currently 19.1% instead of 10.0%. Given that at the height of the Great Depression in 1933, unemployment was 25.3%, that 19.1 number is pretty damn scary. And that's with a "stronger than expected recovery", as one newspaper article said yesterday.

As important as health care reform is, as interesting to us political junkies as the latest communications tactics or staff shake-ups are by the White House, it is this crushing level of unemployment that is driving the President's approval numbers and the entire Democratic Party's political fortunes down. This level of misery is unprecedented in the years since the Great Depression, and until we begin to make serious progress, all else we do politically won't matter much.

That's why this latest move by the President, this freeze on domestic discretionary spending, is a fool's errand. The White House is saying they will exempt jobs programs and health care spending, which I am relieved to hear, but getting a short term political boost for sounding tough on the deficit in the State of the Union doesn't do much for your long term political fortunes while almost 20% of Americans are looking for work. Policy-wise, it is still a terrible idea even if you exempt jobs and health care because it is domestic discretionary spending in all kinds of areas that would help create more new jobs. The thing that is so frustrating about this proposal is that there are plenty of things that could be done to both cut the deficit and produce new jobs, and this proposal goes the wrong direction in both regards. To cut the deficit, there are literally scores of corporate tax loopholes that you could close, scores of specific cuts in wasteful defense spending, big cuts in agribusiness subsidies benefiting only the richest corporate farms, and programs to recover money from wealthy tax cheats that could all raise more than the budget savings you are going to get from this freeze in it's first year. The other way to lower the budget deficit over the next ten years is to actually create new jobs, so that instead of being on welfare and unemployment benefits, those people are working and paying taxes. And you can create jobs in a variety of ways, not just by new spending. For example, America could enact the same kinds of buying-in-country programs that every other industrialized nation in the world has, and you can award big new contracts to American firms rather than foreign ones.

Let me go on a slight detour here, and talk about one related jobs issue that I should do full disclosure on. This policy debate has even driven a progressive like me into the arms of a big business, Boeing. Over the last few months, I began reading about the controversy over whether the Department of Defense should award a new contract to build tankers to a European company, Airbus, or to Boeing, which would design and manufacture everything here in the US (Airbus says they would create some jobs in Alabama if they get the contract, but most of the work would be done in Europe). I got so mad about the idea that our government might award Airbus this contract that I actually got in touch with old friends who work at Boeing, and now I've taken a consulting contract with them, the first time in 14 years I have taken on a corporate client. I probably disagree with Boeing on much of what they lobby the government for, but they have 45,000 members of my old union (the Machinists), and personally, I'd like them to have more. To have Airbus get this contract when 19.1% of Americans are looking for work would be an outrage, so on this one, I'm actually working with a big business (and yes, it's an odd feeling.) But here's the bottom line, and it couldn't be more basic: the simplest way to create more jobs in America is for the American government to award contracts to American firms.

The jobs issue trumps everything for our party and our country over the next few years. If we don't start producing jobs ASAP, any chances of cutting the deficit will go up in smoke, along with any chance of Democrats winning elections in 2010 and 2012. Instead of doing phony and counterproductive things like this freeze on domestic spending, Obama ought to be focused like a laser beam on actually creating American jobs.

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Good intentions, bad move, Mike. (0.00 / 0)
Becoming a pawn of corporatism? Working for the crooks who did this:
Top officials in the Bush administration-including the president himself-are implicated in the expanding scandal surrounding airplane manufacturer and defense contractor Boeing. The case provides a revealing glimpse into the extent to which US military policy is subordinated to brazen profiteering by defense contractors and the government officials who enjoy their patronage.

The scandal involves a contract that Boeing has been negotiating with the US Air Force to lease to the government 100 aerial refueling tankers. The deal had an initial price tag of $17 billion, though some estimates place the potential final windfall to Boeing at $100 billion. The contract was nearly finalized last month, despite studies by both the Pentagon and Congress concluding that the deal was unnecessary and overpriced.


http://www.wsws.org/articles/2...

Read all of it. It's a horrorstory of corruption and defrauding the taxpayer. Did you forget about this? You don't mention this scandal anywhere in the story.

And then, "the simplest way to create more jobs in America is for the American government to award contracts to American firms"? Well, simply ways are often dumb. This simple way can only lead to retaliation by us Europeans. We have been already robbed once from a contract that Airbus won fair and square, and if the US government now comes up with "buy american" to kick the Europeans out of the competition, this will create quite an outrage. Don't forget, much more military goods are purchased by us from the US than the other way round (almost none go the other way). We can retaliate for this, and it will hurt you. That damn "buy american" favor for the  Boeing crooks will cost other companies, and their workers, much more. Think twice before stomping for that.


Airbus is not squeaky clean, are they? (0.00 / 0)
They just haven't had the chance to rip off the US taxpayers, yet.  

Given that the issue seems to be that Airbus low-balled the deal to get the contract, then revealed the much higher costs, one must wonder if touting AirBus over Boeing really makes much sense, Gray.

An example of AirBus' way of doing business

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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For all we know, Airbus is "squeaky clean"! (0.00 / 0)
They are under a lot of supervision, and wouldn't dare such bribery as Boeing. Because we have laws in place that make such fraud a criminal action, EVEN when dealing with other countries. Sone time ago, Siemens managers were sent to jail for such stuff. Hey, did anybody from Boeing land in prison? Hmm?

So, don't spread totally unbased rumours here. Put up or shut up!


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The Airbus Affair (0.00 / 0)
Nothing to see here. Move on.

AirBus bribes people too.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Yup, nothing to see, only "allegations" (0.00 / 0)
"Mulroney denied the allegations, and launched a $50 million defamation suit against the Canadian government, alleging that the newly elected Liberal government of Jean Chrétien was engaging in a smear campaign against its predecessor. The government settled out of court in early 1997, and agreed to publicly apologize to Mulroney, as well as paying the former prime minister's $2.1 million legal fees."

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I put up and you still want me to shut up (4.00 / 1)
Apparently its really just your desire that I "shut up". Well, too f'ing bad, dude.

From the same article you culled your quote:

Although there is no evidence that Mulroney accepted kickbacks while prime minister, it was acknowledged in 2003 that shortly after stepping down in 1993, Mulroney accepted $225,000 over 18 months from Schreiber, in three cash payments of $75,000 each. The characterization of these cash payments as not a bribe would be the way out. Mulroney was still a member of the Canadian House of Commons when one of the payments was made. Mulroney claims that this money was paid to him for consulting services he rendered to help promote a fresh pasta business, and to develop international contacts for Schreiber. Mulroney had not previously admitted accepting any commissions from Schreiber, especially during his lawsuit process against the Canadian government. The trouble so far is that Mulroney has not yet provided another living person other than himself that could substantiate any actual work Mulroney performed for that money. Schreiber described their dealings in pasta-macaroni as nothing more than being sent a single flyer.

Do you really believe that Mulroney was consulting about macaroni? or that one single flyer about pasta was worth $225,000? If so, I have a bridge for sale.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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I don't know what Mulroney was up to. And neither do you. (0.00 / 0)
But this clearly shows that he received money AFTER stepping down. So, regardless what this was about, it's not a bribe. Prolly a dumb attempt by the guy to start a lobby business, like countless other politicians do after they leave office.  Again, who knows. The important point is, this wasn't illegal.

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Why do you believe this? (0.00 / 0)
They are under a lot of supervision, and wouldn't dare such bribery as Boeing.

When the company has been caught doing just that? (See the article you won't read - just below)


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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THEY haven't been CAUGHT! (0.00 / 0)
I read that article, that's not what it says. All unbased allegations, and the Government of Canada had to apologize, fo heaven's sake!

And that was in 1988, btw.


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Boeing spent two years on probation for their bribery scandal (0.00 / 0)
that time is over and the case it closed.

So what's your point? That AirBus is better at covering their tracks?



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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You know the difference between bribery and lobbyism, don't you? (0.00 / 0)
So, don't confuse this stuff.  

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Where's the alleged bribery or lawballing in your example? (0.00 / 0)
South Africa got out of the contract of the 400M because the project vastly overshot the advertised costs. That's their right, nothing unusual in this.

Where the eff is the alleged lowballing in this?
If at all, this is a highball, you damn #%&"$!


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Bottom line Gray (4.00 / 2)
Americans have a right to see that our tax dollars are creating jobs for us.  We love you man, we even bailed European ass out of two world wars at the cost of many American lives.  But, we need to be strong so we can do it again next time.

Sorry, but we're getting tired of this New World Order.  So I guess what I'm saying is that we hear you man, but we don't have enough to share right at this moment.  You're on your own buddy.

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
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Yeah, sadly, everybody on his own. (4.00 / 1)
From an economical point of view, this is total nonsense , of course. International trade under fair conditions, where no partner has an unfair advantage, increases the welfare of every nation involved. Specialization on certain goods on an international scale is more efficient than single nations trying to produce eeveything on their own. Ask any economist about this. Krugman even won his nobel price for work on this!

But I guess you're ight, and "simple solutions" will prevail. They almost always do. Like David Sirota showed in his recent story, the majority seems to prefer basic ideas that don't demand exhaustive thinking. Damn.

But thx for your kind words, WCD! And, no, I don't want to replay that big discussion about "buy american" again. Prolly useless.


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Another article you won't read (0.00 / 0)
Right here

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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your words (4.00 / 1)
"Not much of a "scheme". You can rate great comments with a "4", and trollish, abusive, or personally insulting comments with a "0"."

"Again,pls note, "0" (or TR, Troll Rating) is not a rating showing discontent, and should only be used for comments that are really over the top, like obscenities directed at another commenter, hatespeech, or spammers posting commercial links."

Extraordinary progressive star in the making


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Right, JDS. (0.00 / 0)
Well, that's why I wrote "#%&"$". Not a personal insult, imho. Ok, some people may think that's borderline, but if you think about it, I can't control what people substitute for "#%&"$", ok?

And, yeah, I know, I should have stayed calm. Sry.


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free trade uber alles (4.00 / 2)
You sound just like Bob Rubin selling NAFTA. The pro-corporate version of free trade at all costs just doesn't work for the American economy. Every other country has buy-in-country laws for their government spending for a reason.
As to Boeing's 7 year old scandal with a fired executive, yeah, I was aware of it. Airbus has had plenty of crooks in their company, too, and has had plenty of favoritism from European countries, too. I still would favor American workers getting the jobs.

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Using false asociations as an argument, Mike? (0.00 / 0)
I dunno what that lobbyist for big money Robert Rubin said for selling NAFTA to th public. But if he said "International trade under fair conditions, where no partner has an unfair advantage, increases the welfare of every nation involved.", that can't really be criticized. That's simply established fact in economics. And it certainly is not my fault if Rubin misused such stuff to stomp for that fraudulent trade bill. I have no association whatever to that guy, I don't support his politics, so you whole point is totally baseless.

"I still would favor American workers getting the jobs."
Again, the point is, if the EU favors European workers getting the jobs from airline and military contracts, the US will lose more jobs than it gains. Provoking such a response from the EU simply is not a good idea.

And, btw, what do you want, that Boeing has a de facto monopoly on mid- and big size commercial airplanes? Creating Airbus industries was necessary because European companies couldn't compete with the giant, as you prolly damn well know. And afaik (and I pay attention to this stuff) there is no "buy national" clause in a European nation. The EU even last year forced France to correct their "cash for clunkers" program when they tried such stuff. So, Boeing can compete for any contracts in Europe, and it does. But if the US wants to change the rules, we should do that, too. Tit for tat.


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"7 year old scandal"? It's still the SAME issue! Tankers for the Airforce. (0.00 / 0)
Really, you can't say this has suddenly become irrelevant. It's still the same old same old unsolvd issue, the contract for building new tankers for the Airforce. Boeing won that once by brining the responsible official, then Airbus won the competition fair and square, because Boeing's stuff was, frankly, old iron. But the Boeing lobby didn't allow Airbus to get the contract, and pressed all kinds of politiicans into opposing the deal. And that's where we stand now. And now you argue that Boeing should still get that bailout, because it would sustain jobs in Seattle, without even a comparison of the products? Despite this possibly creating a backlash by the EU, that could cost US jobs?

Comeon, Mike, don't you have additional, and better arguments? This issue simply isn't so easy as you present it here.


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HR (4.00 / 3)
You hit this one out of the park, Mike.  No jobs = lost elections.

It doesn't matter if you are a gifted politician or not.  Ronald Reagan created a major recession to "break inflation."  The Republicans took their lumps in 1982 losing 27 House seats.  10% for 10 months did that to "The Great Communicator."

Eisenhower was a major war hero and a popular politician.  In 1958, Americans faced a sharp recession and Ike and the Republicans were burned losing 13 existing Senate seats and eventually 3 of the 4 new seats in Alaska and Hawaii.

George H.W. Bush was hardly a natural politician but jobs sent him to the unemployment line in 1992 just a very short time after winning the Gulf War.  "It's the economy, stupid."

FDR was a hugely gifted politician.  When he created jobs, happy days were here again.  When the real unemployment briefly rose back to 19% in an attempt to lower the deficit and balance the budget to please conservative Southern Democrats, Republicans came back from the dead in the 1938 elections.

Grover Cleveland did nothing to stem the Panic of 1893 (real unemployment = 17%) and Democrats lost a stunning 125 House seats.

I can say similar things to one degree or another about Gerald Ford, Martin Van Buren, James Buchanan, and Ulysses S. Grant (there is a reason the election of 1876 had to be stolen and Grant's third term bid was denied).  Then there is Herbert Hoover who got hammered in 1930 and hammered worse in 1932 when things got really bad.  A good economy may not win elections but bad economies generally lose them.


Can anyone tell me why Obama early last year gave (0.00 / 0)
more rosy predictions about jobs and unemployment than most economists were giving? It seems like shooting yourself in the foot. He wanted to keep up peoples' spirits to help the economy but it was a huge risk and it back-fired--though it did help the stock market. (Of course the gop keeps using his 8% figure against him.) If only he'd said it would probably go double digits, maybe it would have tied it more strongly to Bush/gop.

So, a stupid mistake?


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Where to Begin? (4.00 / 2)
Hindery's approach to the unemployment data is interesting and deserves wider exposure in the media. Rather than simply repeat government numbers, it would be far more useful to the debate to know what those numbers mean.

What you describe, I think, is an industrial policy for the US. I agree. But I wonder if that'll fly without the President and other key politicians explaining what an industrial policy is and how it benefits the US. Part of this involves explaining how free markets fail, not least because they can easily be gamed if there is weak or no regulation, and how the government can help to ensure sustained job creation in good times and bad. I don't see that kind of national education happening. Not a peep.

I'd feel better about Obama if, instead of gimmicks like spending freezes, he proposed a real industrial policy, for example, perhaps using the corporate tax code to cause US businesses to return manufacturing to this country (high taxes if companies choose to outsource, low or zero taxes for US manufacturing). That's in addition to a second stimulus with serious money to help states balance budgets (which is where most people feel the pain: locally).

I've also come to believe that in addition we need a multi-decade effort, at $100 billion a year, to replace aging infrastructure that make our cities viable. There was an excellent documentary around the holidays called Crumbling America that had some harrowing examples. This sort of ongoing rebuilding program would ensure US jobs to do the work as well as manufacturing, it would provide living wages (since most jobs would be union), and it would touch every little hamlet in this country.

However, I only see gimmicks so far. Nothing comprehensive.


I would agree with almost everything you say (4.00 / 1)
But in order to do this I think we would have to free up a good portion of the Military-Industrial budget.  Do you think this President will do that?  Looks like he's willing to increase it rather than shrink it.  I don't think this President is "The One."   I hope we have time to find another who fits your definition.

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
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We *do* have an industrial policy. (4.00 / 2)
A real industrial policy.  And, it is comprehensive.  We just don't acknowledge that we have one, or where the incredibly consistent priorities lie within it.

One of my longstanding pet peeves is that everyone in the US pretends we don't have an "industrial policy" because that implies naughty state intervention in certain sectors. But of course we have lots of naughty state intervention in certain sectors, we just don't do it even notionally for any good reason. We prop up the single family homebuilding industry and the automobile industry (even before the bailouts). We prop up certain agricultural sectors. We favor big business over small. Now we're massively propping up one skimmer industry - the financial industry - and are about to prop up another skimmer industry - health insurance.

So, yes, by design or accident we have industry policy. We should recognize that and then decide what we should be doing instead of pretending we don't have any. Atrios

Personally, I don't like the industrial policy we have.  And, I'd like it to be very different than it is.  But, first, we have to recognize that we have one.  Then, we can talk about making it different than it is.


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Excellent Point (0.00 / 0)
And revealing our current industrial policy would be a key part of educating people about a better industrial policy. Sorry I forgot this point but you're absolutely correct. There's a ton of useless corporate welfare in the federal budget that gets very little long term results good for most Americans.

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Comparisons (0.00 / 0)
19.1% was exceeded by four years in the heart of the Depression (1932 at 23.6%, 1933 at 24.9%, 1934 at 21.7% and 1935 at 20.1%).  It was basically matched in 1938 at 19.0% for the balanced budget/Dixiecrat fiasco.  The only other year that was close is 1894 at 18.4%.

In those other years there was a sense of real urgency.  In fact, both 1938 and 1894 were monumental political disasters for Democrats while 1932 and 1934 were banner years.  

Take away the self-imposed shackles and there are plenty of things that can and should be done.  Alternative energy, bridge repairs, dredging rivers and flood control, improved education, and yes, improved health care without taking away from the 85% of the population that already has health care.  Basic research.  

"Free market" Reaganesque,  Friedmanesque baloney is blindfolding us.  There is n o one so blind as those that refuse to see.  Unfortunately some of them are making our policy.


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"Free market" Krugmanesque, DeLongesque? (4.00 / 1)
"free market" per se is nothing to be afaid of. Economics shows that international trad increases the welfare of the nations involved. There are only problems when crooked players eexploit the "free markets" with unfair means.

So, folks, would you pls differentiate between fair and unfair trade? European companies and workers don't have any unfair advantage over the US! As all data shows, the main problem and the real offender is China, who uses unfair methods to trump up their exports, and whose industy enjoys huge advantages (much less regulation on environment, work safety, worker's rights etc) over the western competition.

So, why swing blindly, hitting fair trade partners, too, when the enemy is China?


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No free market (0.00 / 0)
China, as you note, has no free market.  Japan at its height had a very limited free market.  Even the European Union puts up substantial non-tariff barriers and generously subsidizes some producers.  I'm not sure about now but the French government subsidized Airbus for decades.

I am far more concerned with how "free market" forces play out within the United States, itself.  This includes local governments competing to provide the biggest tax breaks for industry to relocate within the US.  Far from paying their fair share, these pariahs dump on their workers and the local taxpayers (including small businesses) who have to pay the expenses of the giants.  

Businesses under this climate are encouraged to be bad actors.  Treat the workers poorly.  Pollute.  Treat customers badly all to maximize this year's profits.  This has been a real cancer on our society for at least the last 30 years.  Of course, these same "malefactors of great wealth" use their money to buy preferential treatment and sweetheart contracts from governments.  That's how health "deform" came about.

From their view, this is the best investment a big business could make.  But hey, you objected to Boeing bribery and this is the same thing on a much grander scale.


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"the European Union puts up substantial non-tariff barriers" (0.00 / 0)
Indeed, and rightly so! For instance, ee strongly limit the access of the Chinese to our markets. Tit for tat. And the US should do so, too!

"the European Union ... generously subsidizes some producers"
That's sadly true, too. But, apart from regional (national, state, local) tax incentives for new factories (big problem, same as in the US, I agree!) the overwhelming majority of subsidies goes into the agricultural sector. I don't want to defend that, it's an atrocity, and I wish our lawmakers would find the strength to seriously cut back these billions, which only result in distorting the international food markets. Again, it's the same in the US.

However, the EU has strong laws in place regulating subsidies, and only allows them under closely defined rules. Remember the outcry when Germany prevented Opel from going bankrupt! We did nothing wrong at all (Merkel went to great lengths to not bind those moneys to any favors for Germany), but all kinds of unbased allegations of "national interest" manipulations were floated. So, it simply isn't true that the non-agricultural sector is pampered with "generous" subsidies. The constant attention by other EU nations prevents that.

"But hey, you objected to Boeing bribery" Of course I did! Every good pogessive should protest such criminal actions. Why am I almost the only one here concerned about this crap?


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Btw, totally agree with you about Japan. (0.00 / 0)
Imho, that access for imports is so limited, we can't really call that a free market. The only reason why I didn't mention Japan is that it has become a minor problem. China's manipulation of international trade is much more problematic. Just look at the numbers!

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Since you're an insider, could you explain the reasoning? (4.00 / 2)
I've read Jared Bernstein's piece explaining his reasoning. And, it sounds like he's saying that the freeze isn't a freeze in the McCain sense of the word. Not an across the board freeze, but there's going to be winners and losers.

But I hear what you're saying, too. Why go there at all?  Isn't the reality that we need to increase the deficit by another trillion so that we can get people back to work?

So, I'm curious if you've heard anything from Obama's economic team of why they came up with the notion of a freeze.


I'm no insider, but I would guess (4.00 / 2)
that it's because they think they're smart enough to successfully steal the GOP's clothes.

Needless to say, that's delusional.


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My guess? (4.00 / 3)
I haven't heard from folks in the WH about this, probably because they were too embarassed by it, but my guess is that it wasn't the econ team that came up with this but the political team.

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Try to get Congress to agree (4.00 / 4)
I doubt that Congress will be cutting subsidies to agribusinesses or any other of their corporate bosses any time soon.

It's getting to the point where we've become a sort of failed state. We know what to do, but our politicians are too corrupt to do it.  


It seems by your headline that you are focusing on anger (4.00 / 1)
But most of the responses want to discuss political philosophy.  Doesn't seem like you are advocating anything other just some simple common sense.  Basically, use the government to create American jobs.  Since this contract is already proposed, we don't have to expand the deficit.  Well, we will, but we won't.  If we keep it here, then Americans will be less angry at Washington.  Will Europe be disappointed?  Probably.  But if this contract is handed to an out of country business, I think the Democrats will regret it for decades.  I'm sure Boeing will subcontract much of the work to other countries, but we can work to decrease that as well.  

Good luck with your job.  Most Americans don't want to destroy U.S. corporations.  We would just like them to become better citizens since they now are considered people.

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
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Damn fine piece, Mike (4.00 / 1)
I agree with your observations on jobs, the economy and even the healthcare part.  Folks are just tired and angry of slipping under while trying to just stay afloat.

And having lived in Everett, WA during the initial disclosure of the Boeing scandal and the subsequent awarding of the contract to Airbus I understand both the situation and its impact.  The Herald newspaper did an outstanding job diagnosing the situation, how it unfolded and the reamifications of the contract going to Airbus.  Basically, Boeing screwed up, assumed they were an easy choice, played a little inside politics (too inside) and were caught out.  In the re-opened bidding process Airbus offered a better product at a better price.  DoD applied free market practices and Boeing's employees will recieve the shaft/pink-slip (I wonder how many of the execs in charge will be/are unemployed?).

But I also agree: these are not typical economic times.  Suspend free market practices for the good of the nation's workers and economy.  Airbus might have a better product, but make Boeing take the contract at a reasonable price for their inferior product just to keep the jobs and money here.  Afterall, even Boeing's inferior product is better than what other countries (except European ones) are flying.


All of you insiders wish! (4.00 / 1)
Jobs are a big deal, and we all know the root of the problem.   We have to renegotiate our trade deals and build an industrial policy that creates and keeps high wage jobs in this country.  We need to redo our tax codes so they don't reward offshoring.  All of this smoke and mirrors on stimulus and green jobs is smoke and mirrors.  We also know that the reason this doesn't happen is because Washington is bought and owned.  The corruption is out of sight.  Add in their blatant disrespect for people, and we have huge income disparities and no universal health care.  We can see exactly how freely they spend money on making themselves rich, and they resent the freaking few dollars people get on Social Security and welfare.

Insiders wish they could just off this on the recession.  The real problem is that they are crooks and liars and now everybody knows it.  Obama ran on change and took a dive in the first round.  How's that for a screw you America!


the dilemma (4.00 / 1)
i think the problem is that Krugman is right:

There was a lot of delusion among progressives who convinced themselves, in the face of clear evidence to the contrary, that Obama was a strong champion of their values. He wasn't and isn't.

That doesn't mean that there's no difference between the parties, that everything would have been the same if McCain had won. But progressives are in the process of losing a big chance to change the narrative, and that's largely because they have a leader who never had any inclination to do so.

and Lux is right:

1. Understand that whether we like it or not, the progressive movement's fate, at least for the next few years and probably longer, is inextricably tied to Obama's. As mad as many of us progressives get at Obama over certain policy or strategic failures, we have to understand that him failing as President hurts the entire progressive cause. In case you didn't notice, LBJ's and Jimmy Carter's failed Presidencies did not usher in eras of progressive reform, they moved the country inexorably to the right. As President from the more left party, most Americans saw them as liberals even though LBJ was decidedly un-liberal on Vietnam, and Carter was the most conservative Democratic President on economics since Grover Cleveland in the 1800s. But progressives were struck with their failures anyway and paid the price. People who think Obama failing because he's following a more moderate path, and that eventually helps us move in a more progressive direction, are fooling themselves.

Obama's "focus", coherent or full-spectrum, is not going to do the job. some of his appointees will do some good things, and probably he wouldn't veto decent legislation if any should ever end up on his desk. that's about it.

the only even vaguely leftish part of government is the House. i don't see how we have any real chance of averting a resurgence of the batshit loons except by working with them. which means pushing for rule changes in the Senate, supporting our allies, primarying our opponents, and recognizing that "vaguely" means that sometimes they will do things we think are dumb and wrong and not freaking out about it. whatever long-term work there might be to do - and there's a lot, i freely grant - there are also some things that need to get done soon.

the White House can punch all the hippie voodoo dolls it wants to, i don't care. we need to succeed.  

not everything worth doing is profitable. not everything profitable is worth doing.


"Focus like a laser beam" on jobs is just what they're now saying (0.00 / 0)
Obama will be doing in this speech. So, mission accomplished? heh.

I've been wondering why Congress is not doing the things you mention here. Apparently they recently voted against going after the money tax cheats owe and I can't for the life of me see how that can be advantageous to anyone running for office. Is it because they assume voters will not be aware of that vote?

To cut the deficit, there are literally scores of corporate tax loopholes that you could close, scores of specific cuts in wasteful defense spending, big cuts in agribusiness subsidies benefiting only the richest corporate farms, and programs to recover money from wealthy tax cheats that could all raise more than the budget savings you are going to get from this freeze in it's first year.

Good luck in your consulting because getting those jobs would be a huge help!  


Forgot to mention this: our support among working class: (0.00 / 0)

**Democratic support among working-class voters fell 41 points in one year.**

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...


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Where's John Emerson (0.00 / 0)
when we need him?

Thanks for the link.  That is really bad news.


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$$ (0.00 / 0)
Is it because they assume voters will not be aware of that vote?

I suspect it's because they don't want to lose campaign contributions from those same sources.  They do have the lobbyists whispering in their ears...probably all the time.  Nice little war chest you got there.  Be a shame if anything happened to it.


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Not sure about the target (4.00 / 1)
1. We definitely need fair trade.
2. Most of the problem is competition from the developing world -- low wages, labor and environmental standards, etc.
3. Unfair competition from other developed countries is a small piece of the problem.
4. When unfair competition from other rich countries exists, we should fight fire with fire.  If they favor their firms in contracts, so should we.
5. But we shouldn't start trade wars with them.  That's crazy.  We should try to enter free trade deals with them.  I would cancel NAFTA and have the U.S. and Canada form a free trade zone with the European Union, Japan, possibly South Korea and Taiwan and a few others if their standards are high enough.
6. The developing world needs to develop too.  I'm not saying to tell them to go to hell.  We should and must trade with them too, but need to negotiate standards that start to bring them up to our level, not us down to theirs.  The latter doesn't help anyone.

Full disclosure -- I'm an American living in Canada.  But I thought exactly the same 4 years ago when I lived in New Jersey.  In a globalized world, ordinary working people need to stick together against global capitalism.  Buy American, or Canadian is wrong and hurts everyone.  Buy Union (or buy stuff produced by workers treated halfway decently) makes sense.


"working people need to stick together against global capitalism" YES! (4.00 / 2)
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.

http://www.uv.es/pla/red.net/i...

Looks like Mike forgot about this "internationale" part...

But it's still true: United we stand, divided we fall! And in the fight against giant multinational corporations and "big money" floating all around the world, workers will lose if they let shortsighted "national interests" divide them apart. Imho that's progressivism 101.


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"Buy from two bidders and create thousands more jobs."! (0.00 / 0)
With the nation's economy still sagging, grass-roots advocates for the new Air Force aerial refueling tankers are bucking the Pentagon with a renewed pitch: Buy from two bidders and create thousands more jobs.

The team of Northrop Grumman and the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co. has threatened to pull out of the bidding for the tanker contract worth $35 billion, arguing that new draft specifications favor the other bidder, Boeing. So, with only about a month remaining before the Pentagon will release its final specs in the latest round of the tanker competition, officials from the states that would make the Northrop tankers are trying to keep their team in the game.

Northrop and EADS plan to assemble their tankers in Mobile, Ala. And officials from Alabama and surrounding states have resurrected the Pentagon-rejected idea of buying two types of tankers - some from Northrop and some from Boeing.


http://www.politico.com/news/s...

"grass-roots advocates", huh? Just like you, Mike? Hmm...


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