Quantifying conservative victimology--my new project kicks off w/ a first look at voter suppression

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Jan 30, 2010 at 15:30


As I explained in my earlier diary, "Quantifying conservative victimology--my new project needs your help & advice", I'm starting a new project (beginning as a series of diaries, but hopefully turning into a book at some point) devoted to quantifying conservative victimology.  The idea of doing a series occurred to me almost simultaneously with the identification of several examples, one of which was was a topic that I've been writing about for quite some time--the conservative fear of virtually non-existent voter fraud, as an excuse for voter suppression.

According to Barnard polisci professor Lorraine C. Minnite, in "The Politics of Voter Fraud":

Voter fraud is extremely rare. At the federal level, records show that only 24 people were convicted of or pleaded guilty to illegal voting between 2002 and 2005, an average of eight people a year. The available state-level evidence of voter fraud, culled from interviews, reviews of newspaper coverage and court proceedings, while not definitive, is also negligible

Even that level of fraud, however, is an exaggeration of what conservatives fear, since none of it has been due to organized efforts by groups like ACORN.  Properly speaking, therefore, the victimology ratio for voter suppression compared to voter fraud is infinite (or, technically, undefined).  But let's give conservatives the benefit of the doubt, and treat this handful of cases as if it were the sort of thing that they fear. With an average of one election cycle per year (a primary and general election every other year), that's an national fraud rate of 8 cases per election cycle.  Our next challenge is to come up with figures for voter suppression.

This is not an easy task, since we first need to define what we mean by "voter suppression," and there are several different credible sorts of definitions that produce vastly different sorts of figures. Then, having decided on a definition, we need to gather the relevant data--which may well be very fragmentary. Because of these two factors, and because I've written about voter suppression a number of the times over the years, I take this issue very seriously and really want to do it right.  So this diary is just a preliminary sketch of what sort of results a serious inguiry would produce.

If we return to our underlying concern, conservative victimology, that will help guide us in clarifying how we might define voter suppression.  The conservatives fear expressed in their panic over alleged "voter fraud" is that they will be politically overwhelmed by the wrong sorts of people, people who shouldn't be voting, people voting illegally.  While the primary focus is on the threat of outright illegal voting--because who can argue that that would be wrong?--the actual fear is simply that they will lose political control, a fact that's quite clear from the historical record.

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Voter Suppression as an Historical Phenomena

This fear was most openly expressed and acted on when the South rolled back the advances of Reconstruction, and disenfranchised millions of black voters in the late 19th Century. But this action was actually part of a much broader and long-lasting tendency, as described by historian Alex Keyssar in the introduction the first (2001) edition of his book, The Right to Vote: The Contested History of Democracy in the United State:

There were, in fact, four distinctive periods, or "long swings," in the history of the right to vote in the United States. The first was a pre- and early industrial era during which the right to vote expanded: this period lasted from the signifing of the Constitution until roughly 1850, when the transformation of the class structure wrought by the Industrial Revolution was well under way. The second period, stretching from the 1850s until roughly World War I, was characterized both by a narrowing of voting rights and by a mushrooming upper and middle-class antagonism to universal suffrage.  The third era, lasting until the 1960s, was countoured differently in the South than in the North, but throughout the nation was marked by relatively little change in the formal breadth of the franchise; in the North this period also was distinguished by state-sponsored efforts to mitigate the significance and power of an unavoidably growing electorate.  The fourth and last period, inaugurated by teh success of the civil rights movement in the South, witnessed the abolition almost all remained restrictions on the right to vote.  During each of these periods, the right to vote was contested; at times, the breadth of suffrage was a major political issue; at stake always was the integration (or lack of integration) of the poor and working people into the polity.

It was not conservatives alone who drove the contraction of the right to vote in the second period.  They had plenty of help from predominantly middle-class progressives who embraced a "good government" ideology that generally held the right to "good government" trumped the right to vote. But this also can be seen as evidence of the dominance of conservative views, influencing others across the political spectrum, that defined this era. I spoke with Keyssar on Wednesday about the problems involved in defining and measuring voter suppression, and he mentioned a couple of historic examples from this era:

"[T]here are some remarkable numbers out there.  I think [author/historian] Morgan Kousser has them. Where, like in Louisiana the numbers went form like 1.2 million to six thousand.

And there's even this one anecdotal thing that's in the original version of the book about registration rules, where I gave this example from Pittsburgh, where I had the minutes of the Pittsburgh voter, new voter registration commission... where they celebrate the fact that with the new registration law that had been passed there were 50,000 fewer votes.

Thus, it's very clear that there was a widespread intentional effort to suppress voting that was particularly intense and racial in the South, but was clearly much broader than that.  Once in place, however, these practices were perpetuated institutionally, for the most part.  It's not necessary to find individual villains at work, election after election, from the late 19th century down to today, to simply look at the historical patterns put in place back then, see how much those patterns have been changed by subsequent struggles, see how much they remain intact, and draw conclusions about the object effect of voter suppression tactics, strategies and institutional arrangements over time.

It's also worth noting that a great deal of the northern activity during this period involved suppressing the votes of the urban poor and working class, more for purposes of state politics than national. Although Keyssar doesn't deal with this, another practice reinforcing the same political goals of containing urban voting power was that of drawing--or refusing to re-draw--legislative districts, so that rural interests and suburban elites were significantly over-represented compared to urban voters. This situation only worsened over time, until the Warren Court finally intervened with landmark cases such as Wesberry v. Sanders, Reynolds v. Sims and Baker v. Carr.  While these didn't deal with voter suppression in terms of suppressing voters from participating at the polls, they most certainly dealt with suppressing voters' political power--they very purpose for which people vote in the first place.

Internalized Voter Suppression

Another important--but often overlooked--aspect of institutionalized voter suppression, in the broadest sense, is internalized political discouragement.  A number of studies over the years have shown considerable difference between voters and non-voters in terms of political views as well as demographics.  One example, which I've cited & quoted several times here at Open Left (most notable, "It's The Democracy, Stupid!") is the 2006 survey and report by the Public Policy Institute of California, "California's Exclusive Electorate".  From PPIC's press release:

California's electorate is significantly whiter, older, wealthier, and more educated than the population at large. "As its population has become more diverse, its voters have become less representative of that population," the report, notes. "And the difference between voters and nonvoters is especially stark in attitudes toward government's role; elected officials; and many social issues, policies, and programs."

For example:

*  Governor Schwarzenegger's reelection chances would plummet. In May 2006, non-voters disapproved far more sharply (61-21 percent) than likely voters (48-42 percent).

*  The $3 billion affordable housing bond (Prop 1C) could easily pass: 80 percent of nonvoters support it, versus 49 percent of likely voters in a May poll.

*  California could have bigger government and higher taxes: Nonvoters prefer higher taxes/more services to lower taxes/fewer services by a 66-26 percent margin, compared to 49-44 percent among voters.

In "It's the Democracy, Stupid!" I also quoted from Project Vote's report on the 2006 elections. "Representational Bias in the 2006 Electorate" by Douglas R. Hess.  A couple of its findings:

  • If all eligible minorities had voted at the rate of non-Hispanic Whites, more than 7.5 million additional Americans would have participated in the 2006 elections.

  • Americans with household income in the top 20 percent of the population (over $100,000/ year) were 1.75 times more likely to vote than those with income in the lowest 20 percent (under $25,000/year) in 2006.

It's not surprising that there's a self-reinforcing tendency: those excluded from power tend to feel powerless, and this feeling of powerlessness tends to suppress their votes.  This is reflected in data gathered for more than half a century by the American National Election Study:

Voter Suppression--Historical Data

While intentional voter suppression consciously engaged in is particularly morally repugnant, and deserves specialized attention and analysis, in the end it does not matter so much why large sub-populations of the American electorate are suppressed from voting as much as it matters that they are suppressed, and that our democracy is disfigured and rendered dysfunctional as a result.

To get a big-picture view of how much voting participation has declined over time, here's a chart of presidential voting, using data from Wikipedia.  From 1856 to 1896, the percentage of eligible voters voting in presidential elections ranged from about 71% to 81%.  It was near the high in 1896, when it began a decline that it has never recovered from:

While this decline is not what people immediately think of (if they think of anything) when they hear the words "voter suppression", it is a decline that's not reflected in the history of most other countries--a decline that's primarily race- and class-based, that sets the US apart from all other advanced industrial democracies, and that undoubtedly has electoral and policy outcomes.  We can, in short, consider it an enduring historical feature of American democracy, a built-in level of voter suppression that permanently (at least thus far) skews our electorate significantly to the right, as well as toward over-representation of more affluent white voters.  How many suppressed voters does this amount to?  Taking 1896 as the base, the decline in voting percentage in 2008 amounts to roughly 38 million voters (an 18.3% decline times an eligible electorate of just over 208.3 million voters).

Comparing this to 8 fraud cases per election, we come up with a ratio of 4.75 miilion to 1. That's roughly 160 times the conservative victimology ratio of 29,000 to 1 that I got for Christian martyrdom and for MoveOn.org's financial dominance of corporate America.

Voter Suppression--Cross-State Evidence

Another large-scale approach to analyzing mass voter suppression from all sources, including institutional, trans-generational effects, is to compare voter participation levels between states.  Mid-term elections typically have much lower levels of voter turnout.  The last one, 2006, has been analyzed by Project Vote in the report I quoted from above, "Representational Bias in the 2006 Electorate".  For our purposes here, I looked at the broadest level of analysis, presented in "Table 1a: Registration and Voting by State, 2006 CPS and used three different voting-level benchmarks to measure gaps in voting participation.  First, I tabulated and totaled the gaps between each state's level of voting, and that of Minnesota, the state with the highest turnout level.  That was the highest benchmark I used.  The lowest benchmark I used was the average level of voting in the country as a whole.  For each state that fell below the average, I totaled how many voters it fell short of the national average--roughly the level of voting for the media, 25th state.  In between, I used a benchmark midway between these two--that of the 13th state (actually, a 3-way tie for 11th).  It's notable that the total figure for the highest benchmark is roughly 35.4 million missing votes--very near to the 38 million figure gained by comparing the 2010 election to 1896 levels.  It's as if voting levels in Minnesota today are relatively close to their historical levels, while those in other states have declined by a widely varying range.  How true this might be would take a good deal of looking into, but the big picture results are compatible with that impression.  More importantly, it means that if all states today did as well as Minnesota, we would now be voting in numbers roughly equal to 1896. Even at the lowest benchmark, the figure for missing voters is over 5 million voters, while the mid-level benchmark shows 15.45 million missing:

With 8 fraud cases per election cycle, that gives us conservative victimology ratios of 4.42 million to 1, 1.93 million to 1, and 633 thousand to 1. All considerably higher than the 29,000 to 1 ratios I got in my first two examples.

Project Vote did a similar analysis of the 2008 election, which came out just last month.  Because Obama's candidacy drove a noticeable surge in black participation, I've chosen to use the 2006 figures above for purposes of this diary.  

Suppressing Voter Registration: Non-Compliance and Under-Compliacnce With the National Voter Registration Act

The so-called "motor-voter" bill, actually called the National Voter Registration Act, was intended to increase registration not just by providing registration forms and asking people if they wanted to register in motor vehicle agencies.  It also included registration in social service agencies serving low-income individuals.  There was fierce resistance to this in many quarters, but there was even broader lack of compliance and effort, as reported in the 2005 report, "Ten Years Later: A Promise Unfulfilled: The National Voter Registration Act in Public Assistance Agencies, 1995-2005"-a joint report from ACORN, Demos and Project Vote.

While the initial implementation left much to be desired, and is hardly an ideal benchmark, the fall-off in registration rates at public assistance offices is so dramatic that it can serve as an admittedly understated measure of voter suppression by deliberate state action.  The following is based on a chart from the report, eliminating states for which there were significant amounts of missing date.  Since there were, however, similar patterns of decreased registrations at public assistance agencies, we can be confident that restricting the list of states to those with the most complete date significantly understates the amount of voter suppression:

The first registration gap is obtained by using the overall growth rate for registrations from all sources.  The second is obtained by using the growth rate for Tennessee, which had the highest growth rate for registrations from public assistance offices.  Since they cover 2-year cycles, deriving conservative victimology ratios requires us to use a two-year figure for voter fraud as well--16 cases.  The results are 89,360 to 1 and 98,909 to 1, respectively--roughly 3 times the 29,000 range for the first two conservative victimology ratios I derived.

Felony Disenfranchisement

Another form of state action that suppresses the vote is the disenfranchisement of felons, which falls disproportionately on blacks and low-income individuals of all races.  It should be noted that Japan, which has a dramatically lower crime rate than the US, or even most European countries, has a very pro-active approach to reintegrating criminals back into society.  The idea of keeping them apart from civic life in any way is regarded as frankly counter-productive.  Encouraging ex-felons to vote is seen as an important aspect of getting them to identify with society as a whole, rather than continuing to identify in opposition to it.  Needless to say, this view is virtually never discussed in mainstream American political discourse.  Instead, we have massive disenfranchisement of felons--even after they have otherwise completely repaid their debt to society.

A 1998 report from the Sentencing Project and Human Rights Watch, "LOSING THE VOTE: The Impact of Felony Disenfranchisement Laws in the United States" gave a state-by-state breakdown of felony disenfranchisement by state and by race within state. These ranged from 0% in states without such laws--Utah, plus the New England states of Maine, Vermont, and Massachusettes--up to Alabams's total disenfranchisement rate of 7.5%, and 31.5% for black men.

As can be seen above, the national totals were 3,892,400 total disenfranchised, a 2.0% rate, while the number of black men disenfranchised was 1,367,100, a 13.1% rate.  Had the rate been race neutral at the state level, an additional 1,158,382 black men would have been allowed to vote.  Had the rate been race neutral at the aggregate level for the entire US, the number would have been slightly lower--an additional 1,113,529. For any one election cycle, this translates into a conservative victimology ratio of 144,797 to 1 and 139,191 to 1, respectively.  These are between four and five times the 29,000 to 1 ratio in the first two examples I examined in earlier diaries.

What's more, while 36 states--more than 2/3rds--do not disenfranchise ex-felons who have completed their sentence, including probation or parole, the remaining states are so intensely punitive that the total number of ex-felons who were disenfranchised at the time--1,391,000--was more the number of disenfranchised prisoners (1,032,300), probationers (1.016,000) or parolees (452,600):

Furthermore, looking just at the states that disenfranchise ex-felons, they constitute a 55.7% majority of those deprived of the right to vote.

Can these numbers make a difference in elections?  You bet they can.  In Florida, ex-felons comprised 67.52% of all those disenfranchised--436,900, far more than the 537-vote margin that "elected" George Bush in 2000. But that proportion of ex-felons isn't the highest in the land. Wyoming (73.76%), New Mexico (77.71%), Alabama (80.26%), Virginia (80.28%), and Mississippi (85.85%) were all higher.

If we just consider ex-felons--those who have legally repaid their debt to society according to every other standard--the ratio of votes suppressed to cases of voter fraud is 173,875 to 1--a conservative victimology ratio roughly six times the earlier figure of 29,000 to 1.

Specific, Intentional Voter Suppression

The most morally repugnant form of voter suppression is that which is undertaken specifically to win a particular election. Going forward, I intend to take a much closer look at this.  But its necessarily a good deal harder to quantify, since it manifests unevenly, episodically, and in forms that are often hard to quantify.  Part of the reason for this is that the forms of voter suppression I've already discussed above do such a good job of voter suppression as a background condition of American democracy that there's usually little or no need to engage in specific "retail level" voter suppression tactics.  This doesn't mean they are rare, however.  After all, my whole point is that the underlying dynamic is based on exaggerated, irrational fear.  Indeed, the GOP has engaged in voter suppression efforts aimed at minorities since at least the 1950s, as described in "Caging Democracy: A 50-Year History of Partisan Challenges to Minority Voters", a 2007 Project Vote report by by Teresa James, J.D.

Just to provide a rough example of the scales involved, I'll briefly discuss one notorious example, the intentionally flawed voter purge felon list used by the State of Florida in 2000, which included an incredibly high number of non-felons.  For those not familiar with it, a concise summary can be found at the Sourcewatch.org Election Protection Wiki entry on the Florida voter roll purge.  Database Technologies (DBT) was the company responsible, however, they were micro-managed in how to create the list by Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris.  Sourcewatch notes:

DBT subsequently tried to defend their lists by claiming they were 85% accurate. [8] But that would still mean that well over 10,000 mostly minority, poor, and Democratic Floridians were illegally disenfranchised - more than twenty times Bush's margin of victory in the state.

Because we're just talking about the State of Florida(2000 pop: 15,982,378) not the entire US (2000 pop: 281,421,906), the annual voter fraud rate is just over .45, rather than 8.  Using the conservative figure of 10,000 votes suppressed, this gives us a conservative victimology ratio of 22,010 to 1.  This is roughly 24% lower than the 29,000 to 1 ratio I found in my first two examples.

Summary

The subject of voter suppression is a great deal more complex than the first two subjects I examined to look at conservative victimology ratios, and this diary only begins to scratch the surface of the subject.  Nonetheless, it provides a wide range of evidence that is broadly consistent with the initial evidence on conservative victimology ratios.  The lowest ratio reported in this diary was the same order of magnitude as the earlier ratios, although it was 24% lower. Summarizing all the findings I've described above, we have:

For historical declines in voting participation in presidential elections:

    A conservative victimology ratio of 4.75 million to 1.

For contemporary cross-state ratios of voter participation rates, depending on the benchmarks used:

    Conservative victimology ratios of 4.42 million to 1; 1.93 million to 1; and 633 thousand to 1.

For resistance to implementing the National Voter Registration Act, depending on the benchmark used:

    Conservative victimology ratios of 89,360 to 1 and 98,909 to 1.

For black felony disenfranchisement, depending on the calculation method (state level vs. aggregate US):

    Conservative victimology ratios of 144,797 to 1 and 139,191 to 1.

For ex-felon disenfranchisement:

    A conservative victimology ratio of 173,875 to 1.

For the faulty Florida felon purge list:

    A conservative victimology ratio of 22,010 to 1, resulting in the fraudulent election of George W. Bush as President.

This is the initial statistical background against which conservative victomology claims about voter fraud should be judged by any objective observer.


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I suggest (0.00 / 0)
Altemeyer's The Authoritarians and Foucault's work on cuts. You have incredible erudition on everything you write about and that is what is required when you move to Foucault's method of genealogy for historical analysis.

Rather than take an interpretive approach which is irresistible, step back and look at 2 or 300 years of this. I am sure there are intersections of power/knowledge crossing the cuts. I am just talking off the top of my head but I think there are possibilities for you in MF's method.


Well, Of Course (0.00 / 0)
It's Altemeyer's discovery that RWAs think everything is "our most important problem" that was one of the contributing factors a long ways back that made so sensitive to the role of rightwing paranoia and victimology in the first place.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Of the vast amount of people who don't vote (0.00 / 0)
a big reason is the first past the post system.

And that is the way the Establishment likes it.


That Certainly Is Part of It (0.00 / 0)
Though not as much as I once thought.  It's definitely important, but not as overwhelmingly so as might first appear.

In fact, when you look at things like registration rules, it's surprising how much difference the "little stuff" makes as well.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Further back (0.00 / 0)
The first systematic attempt to limit voting for political advantage dates back to 1798 and is popularly called the Alien and Sedition Acts.  It is a series of four bills.  The first, passed in June 1798 increased the period of time for naturalization (hence the ability to vote) from 7 years to 14 years.  New citizens overwhelmingly favored Jefferson over Adams.  Adams won power in an extremely tight election in 1796 and he wanted no more voters added to the mix.  He also added power to deport US citizens and to arrest editors and others opposed to his views or those of his political party.

Of course, reconstruction's end with the corrupt bargain of 1876 meant the slow disenfranchisement of blacks.  Louisiana was the last state to allow black voters and ended that in 1896 (the start of your curve).

At one point in time I made a little study of southern voting during the 1930s.  The record was hideous.  In an era when 60-75,000 votes were cast in non-southern congressional districts only West Virginia managed normal voting.  South Carolina was voting at around 12% of the normal rate.  Other southern states were close.  Not only were blacks not voting but poor whites were not either through much of the south.

Hand in hand with this, we had basically a one party system based on a second bargain.  Blacks could not vote and poor whites joined with the few rich whites.  This shattered the populist movement of the time based on class and replaced class based politics with race based politics.  During the 1930s, only four (of 117) southern districts elected a Republican, two of them once.  Two districts in eastern Tennessee remained Republican from the Civil War.  No more than 10 of the remaining 113 House districts were competitive.  As many as 90 seats went unopposed .  This may be off slightly as it is based on memory but the results are amazing.

I could take this data and argue convincingly that Republican efforts to gerrymander districts is an effective form of voter suppression.  Look at the vote totals from extreme districts and it confirms the point.

Much of the Republican claim comes from complaints by Richard Nixon after the 1960 election and for a long time afterward.  Nixon paid for recounts in a lot of states (I think 8) and they got nowhere.  This is never acknowledged or even fought back.  The two stolen elections in US history (1876 and 2000) benefited Republicans.  Right off hand, the minority win of 1888 also benefited the Republican.  

This further plays into the 2000 Florida tallies.  The few Democratic counties used old machines that routinely invalidated many more voters than the new machines in Republican counties.  Half of the 200,000 uncounted votes in Florida came from black voters.  In Duval, it was active suppression in other counties just (malign) neglect.  In that context, those 38,000 Republican voters who failed to meet qualifications bit who were filled out by local government employees should have been disqualified in a heart beat.  The idea that no "remedy" was available was a flat out lie.  We won that election (according to Florida State political science researchers employed by the Miami Herald and St. Petersburg Times by as much as 50,000 votes.


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The Alien & Sedition Acts certainly had an impact on voters--but it was generally the opposite of what was intended, as it spelled the end of the Federalists as a credible national party.  They continued to hold regional power after that, but were permanently in the minority nationally forever after.

Unfortunately, we don't really have good data from that period, or would certainly be good to study.  But the Federalists were swimming against the tide of the times.  Evil as the Alien & Sedition Acts certainly were, they did not have broad social momentum behind them, as Keyssar's history of the right to vote makes clear.  Thank goodness!

I was one of the few who looked at Duval County at the time who didn't live there.  Why Gore didn't challenge it remains a mystery to this day.  The main screw-up was the use of ballots that seemed to require people to vote for a candidate on every page of the presidential ballot segment. But even if nothing could be done about those--a premise I think is mistaken (see Jews for Buchanan, which cites a federal court precedent for redoing elections in limited jurisdictions in such cases)--the fact that there was such a massive screwup meant that they should have focused on getting hand recounts there as intently as anywhere else.  The potential for finding improperly disqualified votes was high, and adding another large county to the list of challenges would have further damaged the presumption that Bush had won.  It was just strategically stupid to ignore, even it didn't end up yielding a significant amount of votes.

As for the GOP ballots that were counted, I have to disagree with you. Florida law puts the intention of the voter above all else, which is why technical disqualifications--particularly due to the actions of people other than the voters themselves--properly are ignored under Florida law.  Of course the US Supreme Court decision utterly ignored this fact, but the Florida courts--from top to bottom, with only a few exceptions--did a very good job of staying true to their election law.  Absent outside meddling, Gore would have won, but the Florida legislature was getting ready to engineer an end run, and if that had happened the House Republicans would have had to elect Bush by certified what the Florida legislators did.  This is what the Supreme Court decision was really all about--not stealing the election for Bush, but stealing it in a way that "wouldn't look political."

Right.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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A conservative wouldn't accept (0.00 / 0)
Actual prosecuted cases of voter fraud as a good measure of how much fraud occurs.  After all, would you accept prosecuted cases of illegal torture as a good measure of how much torture occurs?

From their point of view, a place like Chicago is a notorious haven for voter fraud, the Chicago Daley machine is typical of urban political organizations, and such organizations are Democrats, therefore Democrats are a bunch of election cheats, especially with a president from Illinois.  They look at historical claims that JFK benefited from vote fraud in Texas and Chicago, while ignoring the possibility that Republicans cheated in downstate Illinois.  The numbers don't matter because its taken as a given that Chicago politics are inherently scuzzy.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both


Yes, I Know, Consevatives NEVER Accept Reality. (0.00 / 0)
But the figures cited are those of the BUSH DOJ.  So trying to argue that there's vastly more voter fraud out there than anyone has found means accusing the Bush DOJ of being part of the problem.

Some conservatives won't have any problem doing that, of course.  They should be encouraged to focus their attacks on Dick Cheney, IMHO.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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