There is nothing we can do to turn out the base

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 12:00


Earlier today, I noted that "drop off" voters (that is, people who voted in 2008 but are currently considered unlikely to voter in 2010), are actually much happier about the direction of the country, and of the Democratic Party, than are likely voters.  This makes it very difficult to argue that drop-off voters are dropping out primarily due to increasing cynicism rooted in the current direction of Democratic governance.

Surely, there are some drop-off voters whose primary motivation is the Democratic failure to deliver on sweeping change.  As with any large group of people (in this case, tens of millions), more than one motivation is in play.  But what is the primary motivation behind drop-off voters, and what can be done to get Democratic drop-off voters to the polls in 2010?

I have a theory: nothing.  There is nothing that can be done to bring the drop-off voters to the polls.  The lack of participation among drop-off voters is consistent with long-term civic trends in the United States, and not specific to the current political situation.  The problem is particularly pronounced for Democrats in 2010 because the Democratic coalition has become increasingly dependent upon young voters who, despite what anyone has tried since 18-year olds were first given suffrage almost 40 years ago, have always seen their participation plummet in midterm elections relative to older voters.  As such, Democratic and progressive efforts to win elections in 2010 must be focused primarily, if not entirely, on voter persuasion rather than voter mobilization.

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: There is nothing we can do to turn out the base
The 2006 midterm elections were great for Democrats, as they netted 30 House seats, 6 Senate seats, 6 Governorships, and a slew of state legislative bodies.  This happened despite many of the demographic groups that lean Democratic declining as a percentage of the overall electorate:

Percentage of electorate, various demographics, 2004-2006
Demographic 2004 % of electorate 2006 % of electorate Drop
African-American 11% 10% -1%
Liberal 21% 20% -1%
LGBT 4% 3% -1%
Non-Christian 20% 19% -1%
18-29 17% 12% -5%
30-44 29% 24% -5%
Under $50,000 45% 40% -5%
The drop among young voters from 2004 to 2006 was particularly pronounced.  It also accounts for the Democratic drop among the other demographics.  Young voters are more LGBT, less Christian, less white, and poorer than older voters.

The drop-off among young voters from 2004 to 2006 also fits with historical trends.  Young voters always turnout at lower rates than older voters, and that gap is particularly pronounced during midterm elections:

Long-term data from the census bureau indicates that the turnout gap between Americans above and below the age of 45 widens significantly in mid-term elections.  For example, over the last nine Presidential elections, Americans aged 45-64 turned out, on average, at a rate 12.7% higher than Americans aged 25-44.  However, in mid-term elections, the average gap over the last nine cycles has been 17.1%.

In 2008, Democrats did better among young voters than in any other election in since 1964.  President Obama won voters under 45 by a 57%-41% margin.  This means that the "natural" lower turnout among young voters in midterm elections will hurt Democrats more than in any midterm since 1964.

Any coalition based so heavily on younger voters, as is Barack Obama's, will almost inevitably suffer a major setback in midterm elections.  Shifting 10% of the electorate (which happened from 2004 to 2006) from the under-45 age group (which Obama won by 16%) to the over-45 age group (which Obama lost by 2%), results in a national popular vote shift of 2% of the popular vote to Republicans.  Given that lower turnout is currently costing Democrats about a 3% in the popular vote, almost all of the damage Democrats are taking from lower turnout is consistent with historical trends rather than being specific to the current political environment.  The remaining 1% could even be due to rounding, or statistical noise.

Winning in 2010, whether as any type of Democrat or as a Progressive Democrat, is going to require successful voter persuasion much more than it will require successful voter mobilization.  Although I lack specific data to back this up right now, the most attractive option for voter persuasion is anti-Wall Street populism, combined with an attack on members (and potential members) of Congress who collude with Wall Street.  Without improved economic conditions, Democratic candidates are going to need a villain other than themselves for the current economic woes.  Elections in Massachusetts, New Jersey, and Virginia show that just blaming past Republican administrations is not enough.  Voters can, and will, turn back to Republicans unless you convince them you are willing to fight what people almost universally recognize as the real villain of our times.

But that is just a theory.  I'd like to do more research to test it.


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So what was the winning formula for Dems in 2006? (4.00 / 2)
Because that was an ugly election for the GOP.

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Independents and dissolutioned moderate Republicans (0.00 / 0)


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Aw, I dunno. Change ain't possible? Really? (0.00 / 0)
Wouldn't a professional advertising action, designed to show younger voters that participating in democracy is cool, have some positive impact? Really, I don't think giving up so easily is the right way to approach this problem...

Haven't we tried this though? (0.00 / 0)


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Years of work among younger, unlikely, voters here (4.00 / 4)
My experience says you've hit it. A lot of folks are simply disengaged. Maybe you can get 'em  out for a Presidential vote, but they don't want to heed politics and won't let politics intrude on life except grudgingly.

Note: they don't believe who is elected has much impact on their lives -- and too often they are right. Life continues to burble along, or it sucks. But this doesn't translate into political opinions; it just leads to non-participation.

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I believe the real massachusetts results and not (4.00 / 3)
theoretical drop off voters.  Those voters didn't show up because they were deeply unhappy with the democrats.

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I simply don't accept the dlc narratives and I think they often generate false polling data to support their move to the center bs.

They weren't young people either.  They were working class.

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absolutely agree. (4.00 / 2)
Continues to decouple polls from voter data.

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IN other words, no contextualization at all (4.00 / 1)


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Indeed. It's the dissatisfaction, stupid! They want their effing change. (4.00 / 1)
Just one example, from 2008 voters who stayed at home:

QUESTION: Generally speaking do you think Barack Obama and Democrats in Washington, DC are delivering enough on the change Obama promised to bring to America during the campaign?
   YES NO NOT SURE
   ALL 37% 49% 14%
   MEN 35% 52% 13%
   WOMEN 39% 46% 15%
   DEMOCRATS 39% 47% 14%

I mean, sure, those votes would have made a difference! Doesn't look like they're totally ignorant, they were simply disenfranchised by the horrible screw ups, on healthcare, the bailout, bank regulation, job programs, everything. And the best way to motivate them is, obviously, better Dem bills, passing good laws that appeal to them. Giving up on those good folks would be WRONG!
Come on, Dems: Try harder!

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Note how that question (4.00 / 2)
First, note how 51% of the drop off voters don't think that Democrats have failed to deliever on the change in their campaign.

More importantly, note how the poll never asked people why they stayed home.  They found people who stayed home, and asked them if they think Obama delivered on change.  However, that is not the same thing as asking people if they stayed home because of the failure to deliver on change.

Further, the poll also did not compare these results to the people who actually voted.

The poll presents a finding, and implies a causal connection without making one. If you want to know why people stayed home, maybe you should actually ask them why they stayed home.


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You are right...I had occasion today to speak to (0.00 / 0)
a politically active Black resident of Massachusetts.

He said, "You know who elected Brown? The arrogant Democrats in Massachusetts."

I said, "Would that be White Democrats." He said yes.

As a general response to your diary, I'd like to see you (or somebody) take the historic nature of the 2008 presidential election into account.

In this case, I'm not talking about the racial barrier, I'm talking about the role of technology. Netroots turned out the vote of young people. It was an unprecedented election.

For this reason, I don't agree with your analysis based on "long term trends."

Change is here, will we make the most of it? Use the Netroots to turn them out in the midterms.  


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That "politically active Black resident" elected Brown, too. (4.00 / 1)
I respect his stance, but he shouldn't ignore the below average turnout of African American voters. If they wanted to prevent Brown, why did they stay at home? Sry, but that activist failed, too.

Uh, and "Use the Netroots to turn them out in the midterms."? Didn't the netroots try that?    


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Is it possible that those drop-out voters were voting against George W. Bush? (4.00 / 1)
And that they are drop-outs because George W. Bush is no longer around?

It is amazing that the Democrats have allowed him to escape into abscurity. For all we know, present thinking is that Obama created this economic mess, and that he now owns it from beginning to end. It's Obama's own fault and the fault of those who are recommending hyper-bipartisanship, ergo, forget the causes of our misery for the sake of a party unity that doesn't exist.


We can't run against GWB forever (4.00 / 1)
Sooner or later we have to take responsibility and offer our own way forward.  Yes, we can and should remind voters that Republican candidates would bring back the policies that got us into the mess in the first place, but bringing up GWB is pointless when he's not on the ballot.

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Democrats ran against Herbert Hoover (4.00 / 1)
for many years.

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I have an answer: (4.00 / 4)
massive, massive registration drives.  One reason young voters vote at such a lower rate is that they are disproportionately not registered to vote, because you register once, and then you are registered for life.  They are also more likely to have recently moved, or to require an absentee ballot due to being a student.  And absentee ballots get lost in the mail.

The way to get these people out is to alleviate these barriers to voting--send people out with registration cards.  Help get them to the polls, remind them of early voting.   Etc.

This is one of the things that the Obama campaign actually did quite well--I saw more active voter registration activity last time than I have in a long time. This is also why Repubicans hate a small organization like ACORN so much.  They know that low registration rates = they win.  


If the base is disaffected (4.00 / 2)
Who are you going to send out?  We are at a point to which a lot of us simply aren't going to help the Democratic Party as long as it continues down the path it is presently going.  That was the lesson of Mass.

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You could even pay hired guns like the R's do (0.00 / 0)
It would still be a better use of money than a poorly targeted tv spot.

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Chris's point (0.00 / 0)
is that the base isn't disaffected, in fact, they're very happy...they're just no voting.  

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Wait A Sec! Democracy Corps "Drop-Off-Voter" Pool Is Highly Suspect (4.00 / 3)
Democracy Corps is generally one of the best out there, but these polls leave a lot to be desired, just based on a quick look at the basics.  

According to a footnote:

1 Likely voters are defined as those 2008 voters who voted or were not eligible in 2006 AND are almost
certain to vote, probable to vote, or don't know if they will vote in 2010.
2 Drop-off voters are defined as those 2008 voters who are not likely voters.

But this doesn't seem to square with the data presented. For example, in November, those who voted in 2006 included 32% of drop-off voters, 48% didn't vote, 15% couldn't remember and 6% were ineligible.  What makes those 32% drop-off voters?  Usually, folks who vote in one off-year election will vote in the next one. There could be a reason, of course, but the pollsters don't explain.

What's more, when asked about 2010, 28% of them said they were "almost certain" to vote (compared to 83% of "likely voters"), while 15% said they would "probably" vote--compared to 16% of "likely voters".  This leads me to believe that the "likely voter" group is fairly well identified, but the "drop-off" group is not.

In January, the same pattern persists.  Just looking at 2010 intentions, 20% of the drop-off voters said they were "almost certain" to vote in 2010, while 23% said they would "probably" vote.

In short, I'd say we really don't know enough from these polls to base anything on them, other than overall caution about making predictions.  It would be a whole lot better if they just gave us info based on how likely people said they were to vote in 2010.  That's the intuitive "best fit" with the notion of "drop-off voters" that most of us have in our heads, and unless they can public present and defend a better description/explanation, I'm not inclined to use this data to argue much of anything.

Time to get them on the phone, Chris, and ask them what's going on.

Like I said, they usually do some of the best work around.  So they may have a good answer.  But we haven't seen it, and should not be taking it on faith.

We also really should have the cross-tabs based simply on people's reported likelihood to vote in 2010.

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Far more people say they vote (0.00 / 0)
Than actually vote. Asking people if they will vote is not the only measure of how likely they are to vote.  In many likely voter samples, people are asked if they know where their polling place is, when the election takes place, how closely they have been following the election, past voting behavior, and more.

And, even with that aside, I don't necessarily accept your objection.  Are you saying that, if the 32% of drop-off voters were removed from the sample, that suddenly the numbers would reverse themselves?

That doesn't make any sense, because people who are more likely to vote have a less optimistic view.  If anything, removing those votes from the sample would actually make the drop off voters more optimistic and pro-Democratic.


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I disagree (4.00 / 4)
I am a party activist and have seen scores of precinct chair resignations in the past few months, a couple of months before our caucus.  Our appointed Democratic Senator and our elected Democratic Senator just voted for the Senior Cat Food Commission and will vote to reconfirm Bernanke.  I think the party activists, the ones who do registration drives, GOTV phone calls and all the other stuff, who worked for Gore and Kerry and Obama have given up.  

I don't think this follows at all (4.00 / 2)
As such, Democratic and progressive efforts to win elections in 2010 must be focused primarily, if not entirely, on voter persuasion rather than voter mobilization.

It's certain that Democratic turnout will drop substantially relative to 2008, but it's not at all certain how much.  Even marginal changes in turnout can make a big difference in the outcome in terms of seats.  Chris, do you even mean this literally?  Democrats will of course make large GOTV efforts in 2010, just as they always do, and quite successfully recently. It might make sense not to make any new, special efforts, but I'm not sure of even that, given that 2008 was an especially good year for bringing new voters into the process, and getting them to turn out this year could turn some into habitual voters.  There's no contradiction here with the normal trends.  


In terms of grand message or strategy (4.00 / 4)
to re-engage drop-off voters you are correct. But I disagree that there is nothing that can be done.


I have a theory: nothing.  There is nothing that can be done to bring the drop-off voters to the polls.

This is where organization comes into play. A solid ground game gets voters to the polls. If Obama sprinkled pixie dust and magical things appeared out of Congress and got passed into law an peoples lives got better over night then there would be your grand theme for getting voters to the polls.

But lacking pixie dust to change reality what you are left with is organizing ward by ward, precinct by precinct, identifying your drop-off voters and knocking on their doors specifically in an effort to turn them out to vote.

Those of us that work at the local level are well aware that there is a significant percentage of voters that only vote in federal and state election cycles and another percentage that only votes in presidential years. Turn-out for off-year elections for local offices are always dramatically lower. But a concerted effort to engage those people in the local issues, familiarize them with the local candidates and impress upon them the importance of their participation in their local elections can and does change that dynamic.

The difference between a Presidential year and a non-presidential federal election is essentially the same and the effort and organization required is essentially the same.

So... if you aren't involved with your local party committee and are concerned about the effects of drop-off voters in your area... get involved!

It works.

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That is why every single California Democrat should be excited about having marijuana taxation on the ballot.

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Long-term Civic Trends (4.00 / 1)
I note that the drop-out voters are less likely to belong to a union, less likely to be married, and less likely to identify with a major religion.  Some of that can be explained by this group being younger than the general voter pool, but perhaps there is an overall trend away from engaging in formal associations.  Perhaps these are people who are disinterested in being involved in partisan politics. While they may like Obama and his stated policies and dislike Republicans, they're not interested in voting for politicians who they don't view as being as special as Obama.

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With regard to... (4.00 / 1)
... the "base," drop off voters, or new recruits, the obstacle I see is exactly the same.  Get them to turn out for what, precisely?  They need a reason to turn out.  What is it the Democrats are selling?  Where does the motivation for these voters come from?  Any number of voters - old, uncertain, unreliable, or new - could be rallied to get rid of the Republicans; Bush/Cheney in particular.  But, it's hard for me to see how there is much more than an appeal to their civic mindedness to entice voters to the polls for the midterms.  Vote because you should?  Vote because the Democrats need you to?  Vote because it matters?  Well, so far, I feel okay asking people to vote for the Iranians' sake - and, I feel like it's a legitimate reason to GOTV - but, are there any benefits closer to home that folks can get enthused about?  

Winning in 2010, whether as any type of Democrat or as a Progressive Democrat, is going to require successful voter persuasion much more than it will require successful voter mobilization.

Persuade on what basis?  What's the premise?  Persuade how?  How do we answer the question, What's in it for me?


"Persuade on what basis?" (4.00 / 1)
That the Democrats are, um, not quite as bad as the Republicans?

"The other guy is even worse" (while inarguably true) doesn't seem all that inspirational to me.


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It's not about persuading you... (4.00 / 1)
...or people like you who are politically engaged. You're outside the focus group that matters here. Yes, for many casual voters it really does boil down to which side they 'like more' or 'like less.' Facts and issues and specific policy -- the things that motivate you -- don't matter to these people. Narrative and storyline matter. A consistent, at least semi-believable narrative will trump issues (see public approval for HCR components vs. approval for "Obamacare").

The last two election cycles notwithstanding, the GOP traditionally ran on narrative and the Dems ran on issues. And the Dems were always on the 'popular side' of the issues. How was that working for us? The last two cycles the GOP effectively created their own negative narrative about themselves and we benefited.

If helping people remember why they hated the GOP will win elections for us, then by all means necessary let's help them remember.

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I think engaged emotional voters are more motivated by (0.00 / 0)
lesser evil than more casual voters, who might not vote at all.

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Scare them (4.00 / 1)
They need to be motivated out of their complacency. Offering and/or delivering goodies is not enough, since that only makes them more complacent.

Off the top of my head, the specter of reactionary immigration policy would be motivational. Using financial reform to re-couple the GOP to Wall Street and developing a 'we either go forward or go backward' narrative opens the door to reminding these voters what motivated them in the previous election. Reclaim populism and force the GOP to be the "Bank Party."

Past performance was gut motivation -- they HATED the GOP. Remind them why. Here's a scary narrative: "GOP back in charge! Boo!" Paint that picture. Starkly.

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Our party has to stand for something, not nothing (4.00 / 2)
It can't be "vote for us or you get THAT SCARY GUY!"  I know for sure that won't work on me.  You have to give people something to fight for, not against.

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Elections are decided on narrative, not policy or issues (4.00 / 1)
You can have a positive agenda and didn't imply or say we shouldn't. But let's be clear -- elections are decided on narrative, not policy items. Democrats have been on the "right side" of the issues for years while getting their clock cleaned by a GOP that creates better narratives.

The GOP's been successfully painting 'horrid caricatures' of Democrats -- Carter weakness, liberal 'taxandspend' strawmen etc. -- that are decades in the making. Now, we're supposed to just let go, give them a pass and let them shed the 'horrid caricature' they made of themselves in the last decade? Never. I want to jam that down their throats for generations.

Finally, I don't care what will motivate you and other politically engaged people. I looking to motivate apathetic sheep -- people, who when they act at all, act on emotion, not reason or issues. You have to fill in the paint-by-numbers for these people to see the picture. And they'll buy the picture even if the colors don't match the numbers. E.g. They like all the individual components of HCR but have been convinced to dislike "Obamacare." This is a perfect example of GOP narrative trumping good policy.

Don Hewitt said the reason 60 Minutes was successful is it had a very basic premise -- "tell me a story." The same goes for successful political campaigns. Develop a simple, understandable, compelling narrative/story and stick with it. Being "right on policy" won't reach these people.

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These voters don't stand for anything (0.00 / 0)
that's the problem, they're not interested in fighting for anything, just against something.  

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I don't think your theory can stand up to the research (4.00 / 2)
I have a theory: nothing.  There is nothing that can be done to bring the drop-off voters to the polls.  The lack of participation among drop-off voters is consistent with long-term civic trends in the United States, and not specific to the current political situation.  

I agree with you that much of this pattern is fairly typical (I wouldn't say natural.) But the idea that nothing can be done does not follow from the idea that this pattern is typical.

The problem is particularly pronounced for Democrats in 2010 because the Democratic coalition has become increasingly dependent upon young voters who, despite what anyone has tried since 18-year olds were first given suffrage almost 40 years ago, have always seen their participation plummet in midterm elections relative to older voters.
 

Again, while you are correct that "despite what anyone has tried" these trends have remained the same, it doesn't follow that there aren't other things that have not yet been tried (on a national scale) that couldn't change this.

The most obvious is this: face to face contact has been shown, through multiple methods, to be very effective at getting people to the polls. (See here, here, and here.) This has not been tried on a national scale, although it has had success in different local settings or particular races.

Given that, I'd suggest that the historical record tells us little about what is possible.  

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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