Meeting religious objections to marriage equality head-on

by: Adam Bink

Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 13:30


There's an interesting approach being taken to further the cause of repealing Prop 8 in California. This week, openly gay State Senator Mark Leno- who previously sponsored the legislation legalizing marriage equality which was twice vetoed by Gov. Schwarzenegger- has introduced legislation to protect the right of religious institutions to refuse to solemnize same-sex weddings.

Leno, who is gay, is introducing legislation that says no religious leader would be forced to perform a marriage that goes against their own beliefs or that of their faith. The bill would also re-emphasize the tax-exempt status of churches, and states that they would not lose this status by refusing to perform same-sex marriages.

Leno, a Democrat, contends the bill would not actually change the law because the First Amendment already offers these protections.

Instead, Leno said, it is a clarification aimed right at the ongoing debate over Proposition 8, the 2008 initiative that ended California's brief experiment with same sex marriage. The measure won by five points after a campaign in which proponents sought to mislead voters, Leno contends.

"If you heard any number of the arguments of the proponents of Prop. 8, you would have thought there were no First Amendment right to freedom of religion," Leno said. He added at the bill would be an attempt "to put to an end some of the nonsensical statements made in support of Prop. 8."

Protecting the rights of religious institutions is one of the leading objections to same-sex marriage, both at the voter level and in terms of opposition from institutions. While you'd normally see this kind of legislation introduced by the religious conservatives of the world- for instance, as an amendment to legislation legalizing same-sex marriage- here you have Leno and Equality California, along with the California Council of Churches, backing it as an element to nullify certain objections. This won't necessarily keep institutions like the Catholic Diocese on the sidelines during a repeal effort if it becomes law, but it will certainly make a positive impact in many respects.

And it certainly would put the religious conservative opponents of marriage equality in an interesting bind. I'll be interested to see if they support it.

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I think all legal weddings should civil unions (4.00 / 1)
If you want to have a religious wedding that should be a private matter between you and your favorite deity(ies), but it should have no legal status. You should still have to have a civil ceremony in order for the union to any special status in the eyes of the law.

If marriage is a legal entity then religion has no proper place in it. If it's a religious institution then government has no business getting involved.  


That's how it is in Germany. (0.00 / 0)
Not the least because of the seperation between state and religion. Churches can't perform legal services, of course. So everybody who want s to legally marry has to have a civil marriage, in order to receive any benefits or a different legal status. If those folks then also marry at a chuch is totally up to them and not the admnistration's business.

But I guess it would be difficult to establish this procedure in the US now.


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France too. (4.00 / 1)
It's common sense, really.  We Americans even have the benefit of separation of church and state being specifically written into our Constitution, yet we've STILL managed to screw it up.

It would be politically difficult to change it, but substantively it should be hardly noticeable.


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They already are. (4.00 / 1)
Religious weddings have no legal standing in their own right, it is only because a clergy person is authorized to act as an agent of the state that they are legal weddings. Remember that line "and now by the authority vested in my by the State of fill-in-the-blank?"

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Also keeps things simpler, that way. (0.00 / 0)
One ceremony of whatever type the couple wants.  Done deal.

I think the main thing to recognize here is that, because the clergy are acting on behalf of the state, they are required to follow the same anti-discrimination laws.  If clergy don't like that, they can drop their state authorization off at the nearest County Clerk's office (or wherever).  The new law being suggested, as I understand it, would essentially allow them, as state agents, to decide who can and cannot get married.  That's still discrimination, and I don't think it's a good idea, but I also don't live in California, so my opinion doesn't count for much, there.

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they'll move on to local officials... (4.00 / 1)
...who don't want to marry same sex couples due to "religious objections." I agree though that it's good to make the protections explicit.

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shouldn't be necessary, though (0.00 / 0)
A Catholic priest doesn't have to officiate at a remarriage of divorced people, even though they have the right to a civil marriage.

It's widely accepted that religious institutions don't have to recognize everyone's civil marriage.

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great quote from SE Iowa pastor (4.00 / 2)
Link:

The Rev. Jane Willan of the United Church of Christ said her church is divided over whether to officiate same-sex marriages, but she chooses to perform the service.

"Straight weddings are often like that: a photo op," Willan said. "Weddings for gay couples are very, very different, and I didn't know that until I stepped into my first one."

Willan said the same-sex couples she has wed have been less concerned about their attire and the catering and more interested in making their vows.

"If that's not faith in the gospel, I don't know what is," Willan said.



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It won't matter (4.00 / 1)
The law in Maine EXPRESSLY said that churches and pastors could do whatever they wanted, and there would be no right of action against them if they decided not to solemnize same-sex marriages on behalf of the state.  So did the California Supremes' decision before Prop 8. The Cal Supremes actually wrote that into the decision -- one doesn't have to infer anything.

The anti-justice lobby will just lie, like they did in Prop 8, like they did in Maine, like they do in EVERY campaign.


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Whoops, meant that as a body-comment n/t (0.00 / 0)


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This is good. (0.00 / 0)
What the h8ters don't know, or claim not to know, is that the law does not require any clergy to marry anyone, anywhere.

There are churches that won't marry mixed race couples, or mixed religion, or divorcees. And that's fine, it's their business.

But normal churches, who WANT to be able to marry gay couples, should be allowed to do so.

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Disastrous idea (0.00 / 0)
I can't see how this puts "conservatives in a bind".  That seems to me just silly.  If they cared about logical and consistent arguments, this issue wouldn't be one.

What I see is an advocacy group going out of their way to validate the propaganda of their opponents and to, in effect, do their work for them.

I would rather see them arguing on behalf of gay and lesbian people's religious freedom--and the freedom of those churches that wish to marry same-sex couples to do so.  This move just reinforces the idea that religious freedom is only for bigots--and that equal rights for everyone is somehow in conflict with it.


poor anti-same-gender-marriage types (0.00 / 0)
they simply can't figure out that the law cares not a whit whether they "marry" same-gender couples or not.  It's irrelevant.

But I agree.  If this silly, redundant item makes them look even more bigoted, all the better.  They won't be able to understand it anyway!


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