IL-SEN: If This Becomes the Face of the Democratic Party, Say Goodbye to the Democratic Party

by: David Sirota

Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 12:58


Illinois' U.S. Senate Democratic primary is coming up in less than a week, and it poses a potentially enormous problem for the Democratic Party, in Illinois and therefore nationally. That "therefore" is important: Because President Obama is from Illinois, and because Republicans have invested so much time and resources trying to nationalize the concept of the corrupt "Chicago politician," whoever ends up the Democratic nominee for Obama's old seat will likely be made by the GOP into a face of the Democratic Party as a whole.

That's why the candidacy of Illinois Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias is so problematic. Holding a slight lead in the polls against other Democratic challengers, he has become a poster child for everything that is wrong with the American economy - everything that the Republican Party's right-wing populism desperately needs to find traction. Here's what I mean:

Broadway Bank, the troubled Chicago lender owned by the family of Illinois Treasurer and U.S. Senate candidate Alexi Giannoulias, has entered into a consent order with banking regulators requiring it to raise tens of millions in capital, stop paying dividends to the family without regulatory approval, and hire an outside party to evaluate the bank's senior management.

The Jan. 26 consent order with the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. and the Illinois Division of Banking comes less than a week before Mr. Giannoulias - Broadway's chief lender and then vice-president from 2002 to 2006 - must face voters in the Democratic primary for the Senate seat previously held by President Barack Obama.

He's faced criticism, principally from former city Inspector General David Hoffman, who's running against him, for his past role at the bank and the $70 million in dividends the family took out of the bank in 2007 and 2008 as the real estate crisis was becoming apparent.

Bloomberg News shows just how mortally dangerous to the Democratic Party Giannoulias would be if he wins the nomination:

Banking Past Haunts Obama Friend Who Wants His Old Senate Seat

"Bankers don't need another vote in the United States Senate -- they've got plenty," Obama said Jan. 17 in Boston, signaling a broader strategy to tie Republicans to Wall Street greed.

In the (Illinois) race to fill Obama's old Senate seat, the banker in question is a Democrat, Alexi Giannoulias, a presidential friend whose family's bank once held deposits for an Obama campaign committee...

Giannoulias, 33, a former senior loan officer and bank vice president, now serves as treasurer of Illinois...Giannoulias said he now owns 3.6 percent of the bank...

The $1.2 billion community bank, founded in 1979, has been part of Giannoulias's public profile since he won election in 2006 because it made loans to a bookmaker as well as convicted Illinois influence peddler Antoin "Tony" Rezko.

According to the latest poll by Public Policy Polling, 32 percent of likely Democratic primary voters say they will support  Giannoulias as compared with 20 percent who say they plan to support former Chicago Inspector General David  Hoffman and 18 percent who say they plan to support former Chicago Urban League president Cheryle Jackson. So it's still a very close and fluid race, with many undecideds.

As these stories make clear, if Giannoulias is the winner, we can expect to hear for the next year about how the Democratic Party is so corrupt it is now promoting a scandal-plagued banker to fill Obama's old Senate seat. While Giannoulias leads likely Republican nominee Mark Kirk in one early poll, you better believe those polls will change in a general-election battle that focuses in on this banking theme.

Thus, if Giannoulias, it would be a clear disaster. He is literally the walking personification of all that the public clearly despises right now - an Establishment politician closely connected to the industry that has destroyed the economy.

With him as the nominee, Democrats could lose yet another senate seat, and more broadly, they could lose any national high ground they need to reclaim. At a time when the Democratic Party desperately needs to reclaim the populist economic mantle and prevent Republicans from being able to mount their own right-wing populist campaign, Giannoulias would become the face of a Democratic Party that has already become increasingly synonymous in voters minds with the most hated aspects of the financial industry.

I'm not endorsing any of the other candidates, and I have absolutely no personal stake in the outcome of this primary election, other than hoping it doesn't destroy the Democratic Party I've worked with and for over the last decade. Maybe that party I once worked with and for is already totally destroyed - I have a sneaking suspicion that it is. But maybe not. That's precisely why I write this: To point out that if this particular candidate becomes the new face of the Democratic Party, the "maybe not part" could easily disappear.

David Sirota :: IL-SEN: If This Becomes the Face of the Democratic Party, Say Goodbye to the Democratic Party

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Good information (4.00 / 1)
but it really doesn't answer any of the questions Sirota raised.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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And Aravosis has ties to ex-Senator Stevens of Alaska! (0.00 / 0)
Really, he's absolutely the last one who should do fingerpointing because of alleged flaws in the resume! What a chuzpe...

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Pls note this comment at the A-Blog, too (0.00 / 0)
MisterMary  [Moderator]  12 seconds ago in reply to Gray62
From what I understand, Rehnquist was famous for choosing SCOTUS clerks that were ideologically opposed to him.


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re: Rehnquist (0.00 / 0)
U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice William Rehnquist, who would preside over a Senate trial of President Clinton, has written three books - including one on impeachment.

Those who know him say Rehnquist, who was nominated to the high court in 1971 by President Nixon, is well-suited to preside over the trial.

"He is the smartest man I know. I think he would be a very fair judge," said assistant U.S. Attorney David Hoffman, a University of Chicago law school graduate who clerked for Rehnquist in 1996 and 1997. Rehnquist, 74, is no stranger to partisan politics and controversy. He encountered them at his original confirmation hearing and again in 1986 when President Reagan nominated him ...

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P...

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Also, this: "Rehnquist went on to overrule Bowers"! Oh, wait... (0.00 / 0)
...different Bowers, obviously:
Bowers v. Hardwick, 478 U.S. 186 (1986), was a United States Supreme Court decision that upheld the constitutionality of a Georgia sodomy law that criminalized oral and anal sex in private between consenting adults[1] when applied to homosexuals.[2] Seventeen years later the Supreme Court directly overruled Bowers in Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003), and held that such laws are unconstitutional. In overruling Bowers v. Hardwick, the 2003 Court stated that "Bowers was not correct when it was decided, and it is not correct today."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...

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And another Rehnquist clerk here (0.00 / 0)
Jeffrey Laurence "Jeff" Bleich[1] is an American lawyer from California who is the United States Ambassador to Australia. Formerly a partner at the firm of Munger, Tolles & Olson, Bleich is a longtime friend of President Barack Obama. He joined the White House staff in March 2009, holding the title of Special Counsel to the President, and on September 11, 2009 was nominated by Obama to become United States Ambassador to Australia.[2] Bleich's home is at Piedmont.[1] The United States Senate confirmed Bleich on November 10, 2009.
...
Bleich served as a law clerk to Judge Abner J. Mikva of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit from 1989 to 1990 and to Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist of the Supreme Court of the United States from 1990 to 1991.
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During the Clinton administration, Bleich served as director of the White House Council on Youth Violence, formed during the aftermath of the Columbine High School massacre.[2]

Bleich met Barack Obama almost 20 years before Bleich was nominated to become U.S. Ambassador to Australia, when Bleich tried to recruit Obama to become a law clerk to Abner Mikva. The two later became friends. Bleich was in attendance during Obama's keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention and shared breakfast with him two days later.[2]

During Obama's 2008 presidential campaign, Bleich was a founding member and co-chair of Obama's national finance committee, co-chair of Obama's higher education advisory board, and California co-chair. He donated to Hillary Rodham Clinton and raised funds for her to retire her campaign's debt after the Democratic primary.[2]

Bleich joined the White House team in March 2009. Among his tasks was to address confirmation and personnel issues and to advise on other sensitive matters. He moderated a discussion on human rights in the new administration at the 2009 American Bar Association's Section of International Law Spring Meeting in April 2009.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J...

Another extremist righT winger, obviously.
:D


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re: hcr (0.00 / 0)
In talking about health care, not many Democrats endorse removing the anti-trust exemption for insurance companies and allowing them to compete across state lines to ultimately reduce costs. Hoffman does. Not many Democrats or trial attorneys favor tort reform as it pertains to the practice of medicine. Hoffman does. He gives Democrats a "D" on transparency in their conduct of the health care debate, doubts some of their cost-control claims, and says he'd demand better.

Many a Democrat falls back on that tired "free but fair trade" line, but while Hoffman aspires to that as well, he describes himself as a "pro-growth, fiscally moderate Democrat" who wouldn't turn back the clock on previous trade agreements, working instead to tighten up enforcement and start to work on new, better ones. He also talks of appealing to the "economic patriotism" of U.S. corporations.

http://www.pjstar.com/opinions...

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And? What's not to like? (0.00 / 0)
- endorses removing the anti-trust exemption for insurance companies
- gives Democrats a "D" on transparency in their conduct of the health care debate, doubts some of their cost-control claims, and says he'd demand better
- "pro-growth, fiscally moderate Democrat" who wouldn't turn back the clock on previous trade agreements, working instead to tighten up enforcement and start to work on new, better ones.

Sounds ok to me. Obviously, an independent thinker with good ideas, not a stupid "follow the leader" bot.  


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what's not to like? (0.00 / 0)
- tort reform BS
I don't agree that people shouldn't be able to sue health insurance companies and hurt their earnings, that health insurance companies are the example of honesty and won't try to screw you up

- different states to reduce costs BS

no, we need a national plan

we don't need them to shop for the state that offers the lesser regulation


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especially the across state lines (0.00 / 0)
It depends on how it's worded, but several of the proposals batted around would essentially hamstring state regulators.  Imagine the state with the least consumer-friendly laws available and they'll all rush to have their plans based out of there.

It will keep premiums under control for a while, but healthcare-related bankruptcies (and deaths due to not getting sufficient healthcare) will soar.

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Then there's this PPP (0.00 / 0)
In a reminder that contested primaries can be a good thing Alexi Giannoulias has jumped out to a 42-34 lead over Mark Kirk in the race to be Illinois' next Senator. When PPP last looked at such a match up in April the two were tied at 35.

From Here

Progressives aren't happy with the winnable choices. One advantage Giannoulias has over Coakley is the results of Coakley's race.

Jeff Wegerson


Well, I don't think he can hold that advantage... (4.00 / 3)
..once more voters get to know him and his background. In the current climate, no banker has real good chances to get elected, imho. Only guessing, of course.

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true (4.00 / 1)
especially one that has ties to bookmakers and Tony Rezko.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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"bookmakers", huh? So that's what happened to the 70 millions? (0.00 / 0)
Or at least to his share of the dough?
Got at link, too, spitty?

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Right there in the article from Bloomberg: (4.00 / 1)
The $1.2 billion community bank, founded in 1979, has been part of Giannoulias's public profile since he won election in 2006 because it made loans to a bookmaker as well as convicted Illinois influence peddler Antoin "Tony" Rezko.

Bold emphasis added.

I may have overstated it when I said "ties". Not sure that loaning money to someone means you are "tied" to them.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Loans to a bookmaker IS weird behaviour for a bank. (0.00 / 0)
Now, ok, in Chicago, that may be business as usual, but I still don't think voters will like that.

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We don't know that the bank KNEW he was a bookie (4.00 / 1)
when they made the loan. Or, even if Mr. Giannoulias knows every single person to whom his bank loans money. But, of course the M$M is unlikely to make such distinctions.

The guy is like a perfect storm of controversy. You've got Obama, Rezko, and a banker with questionable business practices in the mix. The negative campaign spots almost write themselves.



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Uh, a bank which doesn't know how a customer earns his money? (0.00 / 0)
Dunno, but I'm under the impression banks DO some serious background checks before they lend serious money to anyone...

But, regardless, this is a campaign accident waiting to happen, totally agree.


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Yeah sure (0.00 / 0)
but when my wife and I got a mortgage from a local bank, do you really expect the owner of the bank to know who we are and what we do for a living? I don't. The loan officer? That's a different story.

Even your suggestion that this involved "serious" money has no real basis - we don't know that this was "serious" money, or not. In fact, we know practically nothing about it, other than it doesn't look good.



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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"we know practically nothing" - M;aybe we should google, then? (4.00 / 1)
During a sometimes-contentious news conference Tuesday, Alexi Giannoulias, a Broadway Bank vice president running for state treasurer, cited banking privacy laws when he declined to answer questions about certain loans.

Broadway Bank had lent millions of dollars to Chicago crime figure Michael Giorango, who has been convicted twice of federal bookmaking charges and also of promoting a nationwide prostitution operation.


http://www.alexitheunelectable...

Dunno, but imho this IS some seious money...

And, oh lord, that seems to be only part of the ugly picture. If at least some stuff at this site is true...
http://www.alexitheunelectable...
Unelectable, indeed.


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"we know practically nothing" - M;aybe we should google, then? (0.00 / 0)
During a sometimes-contentious news conference Tuesday, Alexi Giannoulias, a Broadway Bank vice president running for state treasurer, cited banking privacy laws when he declined to answer questions about certain loans.

Broadway Bank had lent millions of dollars to Chicago crime figure Michael Giorango, who has been convicted twice of federal bookmaking charges and also of promoting a nationwide prostitution operation.


http://www.alexitheunelectable...

Dunno, but imho this IS some seious money...

And, oh lord, that seems to be only part of the ugly picture. If at least some stuff at this site is true...
http://www.alexitheunelectable...
Unelectable, indeed.


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this isn't new news (0.00 / 0)
this has been covered in Illinois news outlets for well over a year now.

So, i'm not so sure that the prognosis is as bad as Sirota makes it out to be.


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Not on a high burner, afaics. Did the public notice? (0.00 / 0)
As the anti-Giannoulias websitee shows, many of those issues have only been covered passingly, and then the interest of the media dried up. And much of that was reported before Giannoullias startd his campaign. So, that's something different than a rethuglican PR effort mericilessly hammering the talking points into public awareness. Instead of a trickle of sideline news, it will be a thunderstorm of sensationalized headlines! And this will have an impact, especially on the previously uninformed voters, no reasonable doubt about that.

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I don't care for (4.00 / 3)
some of Hoffman's more conservative leanings, but he is our best shot from a shear electability standpoint -- and unlike Alexi did at least express some doubts about our involvement in Afghanistan.  Cheryl Jackson is arguably the most progressive of the bunch but she was Rod Blagojevich's spokesperson for three years and there is undoubtedly miles of footage of her talking about what a great guy Rod is. If you think the banker meme is bad wait until they start pounding the Rod connections into the ground.

And BTW I live in Illinois and know Alexi as an acquaintance and he is really one of the most down-to-earth, compassionate, dedicated individuals you will ever meet, but I think David's analysis of what is victory will mean is correct.

As a bonus the likely Republican nominee, Congressman Mark Kirk, authored the authorization for war in Iraq. Nice.



Just to clarify (4.00 / 2)
I don't agree that it will be the end of the Democratic party ... :-) I do think that Alexi's win will bring up some very tough themes that will be used nationally against us.

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I agree it will not be the end (0.00 / 0)
Alexi could conceivably pull some kind of Rove rabbit out of the hat and accuse of Kirk of being in bed with the BIG banks against little ole family banks like his family's bank.

And since we're throwing out implausible scenarios here (Sirota started it), Alexi might even help Quinn and Preckwinkle because many clueless voters like to appear to themselves as non-partisan and split their tickets. They then vote Kirk and feel their duty done and then vote Quinn and PReckwinkle. :-)

Jeff Wegerson


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Are there any significant policy differences between the candidates? (0.00 / 0)
Also, I don't see how Jackson's "praise" of Rod, as it is, would be a really bad thing, especially since I assume all of it takes place before his scandal happened.  I mean, I'm assuming every Illinois politician (even Barack Obama!) has praised Blagojevich at some point and the voters did elect him twice, so... it'd be a massive case of the pots calling the kettle black (no pun intended here).

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I'm not sold on anyone in this race yet... (0.00 / 0)
Frankly, I don't like any of the candidates that much, and you make a good point, but I'm just not sure yet.  I'm still evaluating the race... really wish Lisa Madigan had run...

re: race (4.00 / 2)
really wish Lisa Madigan had run...

I really really really wish jan schakowsky had run

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Would've been good too... (0.00 / 0)


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Who is the DSCC likely to support? (0.00 / 0)
Last May it was thought they would support Madigan.  And Obama was encouraging her to run.  
While she's chosen not to run for Governor, maybe with a lot of encouragement..??

http://voices.washingtonpost.c...

Nationalism is not the same thing as terrorism, and an adversary is not the same thing as an enemy.


Primary is next week (0.00 / 0)
So... not sure when she would run for something else at this point.

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This would have been great to hear months ago... (4.00 / 3)
You know, when we could have made a bigger impact on the race....

Check out Blue Arkansas:
http://bluearkansas.blogspot.com/


I don't see any big surprise here (4.00 / 2)
The Chicago democratic machine has been crooked since at least the 60's. (Anyone besides me remember the 68 convention?)  Progressives need to realize that we can't rely on party labels any longer.  Nor should we back a candidate because, "at least they are better than a Republican."  The Dem party is not worthy of blanket support with or without Giannoulias.  In the 1980's the Dems made a decision to compete at the corporate water trough.  

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
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Electability (0.00 / 0)
So far, the polling shows Giannoulias doing better than Jackson or Hoffman against Kirk, though Jackson and Hoffman still keep it close.

Of course, this is probably all name recognition at this point, but Giannoulias's bank woes have been well publicized and they don't seem to have hurt him just yet.

I agree that Hoffman appears to be the "safer" choice, but in 2004 we all thought Kerry would be a "safer" choice than Dean and look what happened.  I say we just choose the better candidate (and which one that is, I don't know yet).


Well, I don't know how Chicago folks tick... (0.00 / 0)
..but I can't understand how anybody would vote for this guy.
I mean, the informations gathered at this side make a strong case against him:
http://www.alexitheunelectable...
Btw, this site turn up in the banner ad here regularly...

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Sirota's wrong. (0.00 / 0)

Hoffman would be another Lieberman, and he's made no secret of that even in the primary here in Illinois. But never mind that.

Giannoulias is increasing his lead over Kirk after millions of negative ads against him, and keeps winning elections, because what David says isn't the whole story. Sure the bank, which he's had no connection to except his stock since he became treasurer 3 years ago, is in financial trouble - like many banks in America. Everything I've seen so far is explainable.
1. The 70 million dividend was taken out to pay the Estate taxes after Giannoulias' father died. the bank is 100% family owned.
2. You think Chase or Bank of America have never given a loan to a bookmaker? Note it doesn't say a 'loan' that was never paid back or that there was anything special about it - just that they loaned money to a guy who turned out to be a bookmaker.
3. Rezko was one of the biggest developers in town - why wouldn't they give him a loan. Once again, nothing special about the loan.

This stuff is hitting Giannoulias now and hit him 3 years ago. The reason it rolls off is he is running as a progressive populist. Anything the big banks are for, he's against. Check out his platform.

Never mind the fact that Broadway is a relatively small community bank known for being one of the few banks around active in the minority community, or that Obama cut a commercial for Alexi last time because of the bank's work in the community (and his help raising BO money)...

The Illinois treasurer's office has been one of the most aggressive governmental agencies in the country in going after banks. Giannoulias has let it be known that any banks engaging in bad behavior in Illinois will no longer do business with the state. Other Democrats have talked. He's taken action.

When Wells Fargo was going to pull the line of credit from Hartmarx, the president's suitmaker, Giannoulias threatened to ban them from doing business with the state or benefiting from any treasurer's office programs. They relented and hundreds of jobs were saved.

Those Hartmarx commercials, on the air now, are why he's increasing his lead against Kirk while negative ads about the bank are running against him.  


No (0.00 / 0)
He's taken the most progressive positions in debates.  He is for gay marriage, wants to cut the military budget, etc.  Furthermore, you just can't do Lieberman in Illinois.  You're dead if you try.

The only traction Republicans ever get in Illinois is from the corruption of the Daley machine.  So even if wanted to be conservative, he couldn't.


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You should feel comfortable endorsing Hoffman (0.00 / 0)
It occurs to me that you are embarrassed about endorsing Geoghegan , but he just wasn't a major candidate.  The winner of that race was Mike Quigley, who was primarily known for being a crusader against corruption.  In Quigley's case, he was know for standing up to Cook County commissioner Todd Stroger.

Frankly, banker ain't the half of it with Giannoulias.  He's very much a corrupt Chicago machine figure tied to Tony Rezko.  And while I can't prove it, his family's bank launders money for the mob.  In Chicago, it's machine politicans, the mob, and real estate developers together running everything.  Conservative bloggers are already talking about Giannoulias's involvement in organized crime, and we don't have an honest defense for him.

Geoghegan was always a little fringe, but the mainstream progressive organizations, along with the Tribune and Sun-times are endorsing Hoffman.

Here is a debate, so everyone can see Giannoulias is smarmy car salesman with no substance, while Hoffman is both more charismatic and more substantive.  

Kirk is a very strong opponent.  He really plays up the whole moderate Republican angle well.  As a lifelong Chicagoan, I am pretty confident that Hoffman would defeat Kirk, but Giannoulias would lose.  Furthermore, I just hate Daley and all the corruption and I would refuse to support Giannoulias on those grounds.


re: il-sen (4.00 / 1)
It occurs to me that you are embarrassed about endorsing Geoghegan

I don't think that's the case at all

this is openleft.com

America would be in a much better shape if dc was more geoghehean

He's very much a corrupt ... And while I can't prove it

...nothing stops me from saying it

Conservative bloggers are already talking about Giannoulias's involvement in organized crime

conservative bloggers will talk about it even if we nominate jesus christ

Geoghegan was always a little fringe, but the mainstream progressive organizations, along with the Tribune and Sun-times are endorsing Hoffman.

I view an endorsement by the tribune as a negative

we don't need another liberman or nelson

Hoffman is both more charismatic and more substantive.  

tort reform and shop for health insurance across state lines are not substantive

I am pretty confident that Hoffman would defeat Kirk, but Giannoulias would lose.

I don't think there is any way hoffman defeats kirk  


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Blah (0.00 / 0)
He might regret endorsing Geoghegan seeing as how he felt the need to write an article explaining himself.  I'm not saying it should be held against him.  I'm just saying.

I already acknowledged that I don't have proof.  Are you trying to spin that into evidence that I'm deceptive?  Allegations of mob association are very wide spread.  They come from people of all political persuasions.  

An endorsement from the Tribune isn't inherently good or bad they endorsed Obama and Bush.  It shows a candidate is mainstream though.

Hoffman is for the public option.  He said so on Chicago Tonight.  Do you have proof he is for the tort reform health insurance across state lines?

Hoffman is the Democrat in an Illinois race.  In generic Democrat versus Republican, Democrat wins by a lot.  Giannoulias would lose for the numerous problems that have been mentioned.  As an anti-Daley Democrat, Hoffman has a cake walk in the general election.


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re: tribune (0.00 / 0)
He might regret endorsing Geoghegan seeing as how he felt the need to write an article explaining himself.

I think that's very unlikely but he can speak for himself

I already acknowledged that I don't have proof.  Are you trying to spin that into evidence that I'm deceptive?  Allegations of mob association are very wide spread.  They come from people of all political persuasions.  

I was just making fun of you saying he has mob ties but I can't prove that

An endorsement from the Tribune isn't inherently good or bad they endorsed Obama and Bush.  It shows a candidate is mainstream though.

mainstream? no, the tribune is conservative

Hoffman is for the public option.  He said so on Chicago Tonight.  Do you have proof he is for the tort reform health insurance across state lines?

I don't doubt that he is for the public option

pro-tort reform and pro-deregulation:

http://www.pjstar.com/opinions...

Hoffman is the Democrat in an Illinois race.  

I don't like hoffman's progressive credentials
he seems like liberman and nelson to me

In generic Democrat versus Republican, Democrat wins by a lot.  Giannoulias would lose for the numerous problems that have been mentioned.  As an anti-Daley Democrat, Hoffman has a cake walk in the general election.

my opinion is hoffman doesn't have any chance at all against kirk


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Giannoulias comes from the anti-machine Progressive wing of the party (0.00 / 0)

He was backed by the progressives when he ran and defeated a machine candidate in the primary last time. He's always been anti-machine. Speaker Madigan despises him to this day. He's the only candidate Barack Obama has endorsed in a primary in Illinois. He's close to Jesse Jackson Jr & Sr

**While I can't prove it, David Hoffman was installed as inspector general to protect the Daley administration from corruption investigations, not to protect citizens from corruption. How do you think a nobody got so much money so fast**

There, two can play that game


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OK then give me some links... (0.00 / 0)
Huffingtonpost suggests Obama was his mentor -- and Obama ain't no progressive?  So how can he be anti-machine?


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No he doesn't, that's why he's front runner (0.00 / 0)
I'm sorry but being Obama associated doesn't make you anti-machine.  Keep in mind Obama made Rahm Emmanuel his chief of staff.

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Sirota: "... party I once worked with and for is already totally destroyed.." (0.00 / 0)
So you are picking up on those subtle signs too? Well, today in Huffingtonpost* we have this [read carefully]:

Illinois Campaigns Could Be Bigger Headache For Obama Than Massachusetts
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/29/illinois-campaigns-obama_n_441604.html

Oh really! We are expected to believe that the Dem establishment [nb -- 'based' in Chicago] has by mistake, put up a young corrupt political neophyte against a Rahm 'centrist/moderate' republican Mike Kirk [R] whose profile just happens to fit perfectly with their idea of a Specter II [R] pickup.  A guy that the Israel Lobby owns, corps love, and Dem FP neocon elite would fall over for.

Mike Kirk [R]
http://www.opensecrets.org/pol...

Mike Kirk: "To misquote Shakespeare, something is rotten in Gaza and now it's time to take out the trash," Kirk said.

http://jta.org/news/article/20...

In other words Mike Kirk just loves the ethnic cleansing going on in Gaza.

If Giannoulias loses you think they'll use the Coakley excuse again -- bad candidate, incompetent campaign planning?  Hmmm...  I'm beyond disgust.

----------------------

* BTW only just found out Axlerod's has a job with them.  Wonder if he's going up through the ranks yet?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...


meant to say "Alexerod's SON has a job with Huffingtonpost" (0.00 / 0)
Oh and might as well add this aswell:

"...In 1984, Emanuel and David Axelrod (Obama's senior campaign strategist in 2008) worked alongside AIPAC on a campaign to unseat Illinois Senator Charles Percy who was then chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. That electoral success followed a victorious AIPAC-directed campaign in 1982 when Springfield attorney Richard Durbin was recruited to oppose Paul Findley, an 11-term Congressman. Findley learned too late the political costs visited on U.S. policy-makers who challenge the Israeli-fication of U.S. foreign policy..."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...


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