Three big lies wrapped up in the Citizens United decision

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Jan 31, 2010 at 13:30


There's nothing original about them.  They've all been with us a good long while.  But there are three big lies wrapped up in the Citizens United decision.  Take them away, and there's nothing left.  They are:

(1) Money is speech.
(2) Corporations are people.
(3) Lies (1) and (2) are not the inventions of conservative judicial activism.

I wrote an earlier diary that was critical of Glenn Greenwald's take on the decision, but the basic thing wrong with Greenwald's approach was that it flat out ignored the fundamental mendacity involved-not to mention what was going on behind the mendacity, what virtually everyone knows this decision is really about: brute power, not speech. Indeed, brute power that has the inherent ability to stiffle speech.

On Friday, it didn't take more than a minute or so for guest, Monica Youn--who directs the money in politics project at New York University's Brennan Center for Justice--to set the record straight:

BILL MOYERS: Now, comedians can be funny and journalists can be facetious, but in very plain language, who won the Supreme Court decision?

MONICA YOUN: Well, corporations clearly won this decision. I mean, essentially, what the court does is it awards monopoly power over the First Amendment to corporations. You can think about the last couple of elections as, you know, the slow rise of the grassroots. And as a result, the political parties, for the first time, had an incentive to start reaching out to small donors, to start cultivating grassroots organizing networks. And you saw what happened in the last election. Now, what the Supreme Court has done here is really a power play. It takes power away from the grassroots, and it puts it squarely back in the hands of corporate special interests.

It threatens to make these grassroots networks irrelevant. To say, you know, it's no longer going to be worthwhile for, you know, parties to look for fundraising opportunities, $20, $100, even $2,400 at a time, if they can just have multimillion dollar support directly from corporate treasuries.

The problem with Greenwald's type of analysis is that it takes the First Amendment argument seriously, it accepts the first two big lies identified above, rather than realizing that this decision is a reductio ad  absurdum refutation of them.  In contrast, Youn simply looks at what's happening right in front of us.  It's a classic case of "Who are going to believe?  Me, or your lying eyes?"  

Paul Rosenberg :: Three big lies wrapped up in the Citizens United decision
The classic response that the solution to bad speech is more speech utterly misses the central point here:  One direct effect of this decision will be the prevention of speech.  Because money is not speech, and the taking of money from wealthy corporations will inevitably mean that other voices will be drowned out.  As Youn points out here, not just voters' voices, but even small donors, just starting to be heard, will be increasingly ignored.  Why bother with them?  They don't have anything the parties or the politicians really need or want.

There is nothing ideological about this.  It is simply a realist view of what the Citizens United decision is all about.  Saying, "The solution to bad speech is more speech" in the face of this reality-now, that's ideological.  I have nothing against ideology per se.  In fact, I generally think it's a good thing.  For the most part, it's impossible to make much sense of the world without ideology in some form or other.  But when ideology blinds you to what's right in front of your eyes, when ideology becomes, in essence, nothing more than an elaborated lie, then ideology becomes the enemy of truth.  And that's what so-called "First Amendment absolutism" becomes when it accepts the two big lies that "money is speech" and "corporations are people".

A bit later on, Youn gave a very clear description of what the Citizens United decision actually meant:

MONICA YOUN: But the problem with that is when you are talking about money being equivalent to speech. And corporations being equivalent to people. It's as if you're saying, "Okay, I'm going to put an ordinary person in a boxing ring against a Sherman tank and that's a fair fight. May the best fighter win." You're talking about artificial constructs that were built to accumulate money. That's the purpose of a corporation. There's nothing wrong with that. As long as that economic inequality does not directly translate into political equality. There's a reason our Constitution was set up the way it was. And there's a reason that you can't buy an election. Because we didn't intend for those who have the most money just to be able to get everything in the system the way they want it, every time.

Beyond the fact that corporate money will tend to crush the importance of small donors on the front end, there are at least two other easy-to-see ways that limitless corporate spending will diminish speech.  The first is intimidation, the second is the monopolistic buying up of limited opportunities for commercial speech.  Youn discussed intimidation in a passage that occurred between the two  quote above, along with the other guest, Zephyr Teachout:

BILL MOYERS: But if I understand the decision, it doesn't enable the chairman of Exxon Mobil, or the chairman of GE to write a check to Zephyr Teachout, who's running for Congress from Vermont. It says she can spend as much money as they want to, in the, right up to the election. Right? Advocating that you be elected or defeated?

ZEPHYR TEACHOUT: Yeah. Or, what happens more likely is candidates getting threatened and encouraged. It's a much subtler form of corruption. Where your mind shifts to say, "Well, do I really want to take on that financial transaction tax if I know that Goldman Sachs is going to do an ad campaign?"

MONICA YOUN: And I think that the threat is going to be even more of an important weapon than direct, you know, "Vote for so and so who we like."

BILL MOYERS: How do you mean?

MONICA YOUN: I think there's going to be a threat of corporate funded attack ads against elected officials who dare to stand up to corporate interests. Corporations have basically been handed a weapon. And when you walk into a negotiation, and you know that one person is armed and is able to use a weapon against you, they don't have to take out that weapon. They don't have to even brandish it. You know that they have it. And every elected official who goes up against an agenda on regulatory reform, on climate change, on health care, will know that the corporation who, you know, he or she is opposing, can fund a, you know, a $100 million ad campaign to take him or her out.

The underlying point here is simple: Offering a bribe is a free speech.  Making a threat is free speech.  So is blackmailing someone. But none of them is protected free speech, because they involve criminal activity-activity that itself serves to stifle free speech.   Treating unlimited corporate funding as simply free speech and nothing more not only buys the underlying lie that money is speech, it ignores the fact that even just the potential of unlimited corporate funding is a de facto blurring of the lines, it is inherently an offering of a bribe and a making of a threat.  It could even be blackmail.  These are not mere possibilities that might occur.  They are inherent in the very nature of the vastly unequal power being given to corporations.

And, of course, that gets back to the "corporations are people" lie, which has been hovering in the background throughout most of this post.  The two lies are intimately connected, of course, since for-profit corporations exist for only one purpose: to make money.  That's why they have so much money in the first place.  It's the very essence of their existence.  Citizenship--the defining essence of the person as political actor--is entirely foreign to the essence of the corporation.

By way of contrast, non-profit corporations have be formed to serve a public beneficial purpose--such as furthering childhood education, running an museum, promoting medical research into a specific kind of disease, etc.  This doesn't really constitute citizenship, either, but at least it takes a step in that direction, and by doing so, it makes all the more obvious what for-profit corporations lack in the way of genuine personhood as political actors.

We now turn to the other easy-to-see way that limitless corporate spending will diminish speech: the monopolistic buying up of limited opportunities for commercial speech.  This was addressed by John Amato at Crooks and Liars, in a piece coyly titled, "What happens when corporations buy the last three months of ad space for an election cycle?"

What happens?  Homer Simpson says, "D'oh!"  That's what happens.  John is a little less blunt, a little more articulate:

I've had some experience with trying to buy ad space during elections, and as the days creep closer to one, the ad space becomes more expensive, for the most part. At least in my experience.

My question is what happens when Big Corp decides to buy up the last month, or two or three, of available ad space on all major media outlets for a particular election? That would have an incredible impact on either an election or like we have in California, a proposition. We saw what happened when the Mormons bought up a ton of air time in California to oppose Prop. 8

We need regulations in politics, just like we need them for Wall Street and just like we need them when you buy a car. Hopefully, Congress will act and pass much needed legislation to help preserve our Democratic process. It already is deeply flawed, but this ruling only makes it worse.


Although the lineup of personnel is a little bit different this time out, what we're faced with here is very much like the invasion of Iraq.  The rationale is compelling-if all you listen to is one side.  If you hear both sides, there are gaping holes. But there are a certain group of liberals (without the air quotes this time) who think that despite the flawed motivations involved, it still advances something they believe in, and so they're good to go.

It's time we just sat back and trusted our lying eyes.


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The solution in this case isn't reducing the right of wealth to speak (4.00 / 1)
the solution is withering taxes combined with a massive middle-class jobs program.

In other words, the status quo ante neoconservatism.


I'm Not Sure How Much Impact This Is Going to Have (0.00 / 0)
Corporations ALREADY have been doing everything Paul is talking about:

Or, what happens more likely is candidates getting threatened and encouraged. It's a much subtler form of corruption. Where your mind shifts to say, "Well, do I really want to take on that financial transaction tax if I know that Goldman Sachs is going to do an ad campaign?"

Example: Last year when the HCR bill was up for a vote in the House CO-04 freshman Democrat Betsey Markey voted "No." She did this largely as a result of a truly MASSIVE TV ad blitz by the insurance lobby in her rural conservative eastern Colorado district: "tell Betsey Markey to oppose the big government takeover of health care."

These ads were absolutely SATURATING the local Denver media. They were literally running on 2 or 3 channels simultaneously during the days leading up to the vote.

It obviously had an effect on her vote and served as a warning shot to back down or they'd spend even MORE money to defeat her in the next election. They probably will anyway and she's very likely to be replaced with a conservative Republican who will vote the straight corporate line on everything.

And corporations can do all this already -- simply by organizing PACs to funnel corporate money into an indirect ad campaign. That was probably MORE effective than directly investing in the campaign because it doesn't matter whether the incumbent is a Democrat or Republican if they live in fear of a corporate advertising campaign utilizing millions of $ in their district if they dare oppose corporate interests.

THIS IS ALREADY STATUS QUO IN AMERICA BEFORE THIS DECISION!

Perhaps there will be more and more direct corporate advertising now, but I'd be very surprised if corporations weren't already able to spend all the money they wanted to on any issue using the existing structure.

At most it would seem that it would FACILITATE the corrupting process --- admittedly not a good thing -- by greasing the wheels.

But, the current system does NOT prohibit all forms of corporate speeech already.


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The inequality issue is the big one for me (4.00 / 4)
I can not take Greenwald seriously when he discussed constitutional law that does not balance the various aspects of the Constitution.

Indeed, one of the most important element of Con Law is to balance the tension inherit in the various aspects of the Constitution.

A non-related example here is the tension between the first amendment and the provisions that create copyright law. As a result of that, we have the fair use doctrine. We create these balances to address that tension.

Yet, here the court ignores the fact that there is any tension between equal access to the political process and money. If you are saying money is speech, you are also saying that inequality in speech is not only acceptable but something we should protect at all cost by making such an absolute statement without qualification.

This is the danger of Greenwald's position for me.  


True (4.00 / 1)
Balancing tests have no place in the worldview of absolutists.

And I don't really think it's a bad thing to have a few absolutists floating around. They help keep the rest of us honest.  But I'm definitely one of "the rest of us", and would never want a majority of absolutists on the Court.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Well, this is more about Greenwald's absolutism (4.00 / 1)
than the courts.

The court is basically conservative corporate ideologues. They come up with the answer first, and justification for the answer afterward.

I think Greenwald mistakes his absolutism for the Court's reasoning because he does not want to see the Court as political, which clearly the court is political. Especially since the conservatives spent the last 30 years ensuring that the justices are a) true blue conservatives and b) not clockable as such.

To me, Greenwald as a lawyer is being absurd. I can understand his point from his own ideological belief, but to argue that the court here is truly doing this for the reasons he states is naive. He does not strike me as the naive type, and, thus that he wants to believe given his own social libertarian predispoistion.

Remember, this is a court with Scalia on it who found a way to find Kelo unconstitutional. Now, I didn't like the Con law previous to Kelo, but it was what it was, and as a conservative justice he should have upheld the taking clause. That's true on other fronts as well like the Civil Rights case and other issues coming up recently with the court. They are telegraphing they are willing to change Con Law to fit ideology with regard to concepts that Greenwald believes in. They are just using those ideas for the moment rather than really believe in it as a long term belief.  


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Clarification (4.00 / 1)
I don't believe that Greenwald thinks the Court is doing this for the right reasons, necessarily.  He just doesn't seem to be terribly concerned.

Nor is he necessarily defending them.  But he is criticizing critics in ways that implicitly presume a certainly legitimacy--and that's what I find troubling.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Good point (4.00 / 4)
and I'll raise you one. The greenwald absolutism argument in this case ignores a fundamental truism - the entire purpose of the constitution was to help ensure good governance. It's a built-in assumption that was obvious enough to the founders - but perhaps gets obscured over time, as the constitution gets elevated to biblical proportions. Therefore, the key argument Glennwald uses (that in other contexts I might even agree with) is that outcomes should not be allowed to dictate SC decisions. Which is the same as saying that reality matters less than principle. His take on this issue came as a shock - and a disappointment - to many in the progressive world. perhaps that should teach us all a lesson in the downside of keeping anyone on a pedestal for too long. Sooner or later, the lonliness of the pedestal will get to them. Like the lonliness of the long distance runner.

paul - so glad to see you took this issue head on (and phil moyer's program provided a great angle). Was beginning to wonder how this is going to play out at openleft and couldn't help but notice the strange almost-silence among the front pagers. happy to see it breaking - and in the right direction. next, perhaps some analysis of just what got into the aclu would be in order.  


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Well he comes from the social libertarian world (0.00 / 0)
I was not surprised by this. Libertarianism as a general rule tends to be about absolutism on issues like this. His posiiton is not a problem for me other than he ignores other constitutional issues and he assumes his reasoning is that of the court rather than because hte court is political. The later being dangerous to assume the court is not political.

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Excellent Point (4.00 / 2)
There were a lot of background assumptions in the drafting of the Constitution, and for all the talk about "original intent" it seems like these only get noted when its convenient for predetermined purposes that are almost always conservative, one way or another.

As for the ACLU, they've been wrong on this for a long, long time.  Here in SoCal, interestingly enough, our local chapter has a long history of "tension" with the national.  I assume this goes all the way back to the chapter's founding, with its roots with socialist Upton Sinclair, arrested at Liberty Hill in San Pedro on May 15, 1923, for trying to read the First Amendment to a crowd of longshore workers.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Not exactly (0.00 / 0)
The constitution doesn't just lay out a system for good governance. It also seeks to protect the peoples' liberties and rights, and to provide for their welfare, to be achieved by as well as protected from said governance (as well as from each other's encroachement). The inherent tension between these two sets of desired outcomes, and the question of the specifics of what said governance should be like, have been two of the core issues that generations of legislators, presidents and justices have grappled with.

And the CU ruling deals with merely one aspect of these issues, namely protecting the rights of people, acting either individually or collectively, to free speech. It does not address--because it was not able or meant to address--the issue of how do we protect potential abuses, whether intentional or not, of such untrammelled free speech rights by certain disproportionately rich individuals and organizations.

That is, it did not address the issue of how do you prevent some people or organizations, in exercizing their rights, from abusing the rights of other people or organizations. I'm not sure that this ruling could have addressed that, although the dissents did sound such an alarm. But congress and Obama certainly can, and hopefully will.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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MIssing The Point Kovie (4.00 / 1)
which you don't do all that often.

First off, Dana may have been speaking a bit broadly, but the Founders simply assumed that protection of individual rights was an integral part of good governance (Locke's Social Contract and all that), so I wouldn't take that statement in the necessarily oppositional way (one goal vs. another) that you do.  Rather, this is precisely why there are necessary tensions in the Constitution.  And that, in turn, is why courts generally don't go around burning down 100 years of precedent in a single blow, when they could have simply engaged in a little harmless statutory construction.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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That's correct (4.00 / 1)
The different provisions are assumed to be in conflict for a reason, and that's because the founders wrote them that way. The ideas , as I said, that are involved in copyright protection as set forth in the Constitution are in direct conflict with the First Amendment. There is no way around it. Yet, the foundrs did not set up a way to address. Instead, the courts fashioned something called "fair use" that as I remember is not found in any other countries approach to copyright issues. Where the court erred here is to ignore all other countervailing constitutional considerations in favor of one consideration - that is the first amendment. You are also right that the other issue is the broadness of their decision making. They are clearly an activist conservative court choosing to go for broad policy over narrowly defined case law. This is not what a court should be doing. OT: This is one of my concerns with the Prop 8 case. That case could in theory be decided even if it reaches the present make up of the S.Ct. on narrow grounds even if those grounds are unfavorable, but, it is not clear to me that this court does not have a conservative agenda outside of what any prior con law has said on a given subject or the courts mandate to narrowly interpret the law according to what is necessary for a case rather than broad policy goals they want to force into the system.  

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Well (0.00 / 0)
The purpose of the sort of liberal government that the founders--and especially and more accurately the framers--envisioned and set up was to both provide for the country's practical needs, like roads and security, as well as to protect the free exercize of their rights, from encroachment not only each other, but from itself.

But the latter was really only implied in the core constitution itself (and, as far as the anti-Federalists were concerned, not nearly strongly enough), and explicitely articulated only when the Bill of Rights was added to it later, because the core document was seen as insufficiently protecting these rights from potential government encroachment.

So I'd argue that the initial and stronger emphasis of the framers was on the "roads and security" aspect of good governance, and only later did they properly address--and see the need to properly address--the issue of protecting the peoples' rights from potential encroachment by government as it went about promoting that former aspect.

Ironically, the conservative activists who made this atrocious ruling focused on (or, I should really say, willfully abused) this latter aspect of governance, at the exclusion of the former aspect. So not only was it a dangerous decision, it was also a poor one.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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Paul's take is right (4.00 / 1)
kovie. The hidden (in plain sight) assumption underscoring the constitution was that good governance is best exercised in the context of democracy, which means that individual rights are to be considered as part and parcel of whatever other decisions/considerations are engaged in. This never meant that those rights are to be automatically elevated above the rights of say, the public at large, or more narrowly, a community. Which is exactly what libertarians refuse to accept, and civil libertartians - like the national chapter of the aclu (thanks paul for the Socal correction) sometimes go overboard advocating.

One way of expressing my extreme discomfort with the CU decision (on top of all the other good points made by many) is that it flies in the face of Common Sense. Sure, people can disagree about what common sense means in any given situation, but the idea that corporations - left to their own devises - will somehow end up doing little harm (no one believes they'll do good) is preposterous on the merits and in view of history, if not logic itself.

This is also the place where the "fair use" doctrine that bruhrabbit mentions below comes into play. To me it always seems that it's something that was devised to reign in violations of common sense, without having to say so outright. Every generation has to reframe boundaries, putting some breaks on individual - and collective - rights in the interest of maintaining governance in good working order while minimizing limits to individual freedom. This is the kind of valuable judicially grounded insight the current SC majority chose, in it's limited wisdom, to ignore.  


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A Lawyer's Take (4.00 / 4)
Paul, let me just begin by saying that I completely agree with you, and not Greenwald on the substance of this issue.
However, I would just say that as a matter of legal precedent (i.e., not as a matter of reality) "money is speech" and "corporations are people."  This is just a LEGAL fact.  

I find your above analysis above completely convincing, right, and "true" in every sense of the word, except the legal sense. So I don't really think I have anything to add to what you said. I would just also say that I think it is useful, in arguing with people like Greenwald, who like me, are deeply embedded within legal culture and its institutions, texts, and customs, to also make legal arguments for why Citizens United was wrongly decided, all the while keeping in mind that outside of legal precedent, it is completely absurd and abhorrent on its face.

As a legal matter then, money is speech (since Buckley v. Valeo or before) and corporations are people.  The previous legal justification for limiting spending on campaigns and donations was that the government had a compelling interest in preventing corruption and the appearance thereof.  Another "compelling government justification" related to corporations and unions in particular (that does not apply to political organizations like the NRA or the ACLU) was that their stockholders and dues payers did not join for the purpose of political involvement and speech, but to earn dividends or receive employment benefits/increase bargaining power.  So in that sense, it is the union bosses and corporate management who are using other peoples' money for speech without their permission, consent, intent, etc.

Another problem I see, although this has been found less in the doctrine itself, is that the "classic liberal" theory of speech, especially free speech absolutists like Greenwald, is often based on Mill's marketplace of ideas theory, that allowing unregulated speech will allow the best, most compelling ideas to rise to the top over time.  Whether one completely buys this theory or not, it seems pretty obvious that allowing unlimited corporate speech will/already has created a huge monopoly or oligopoly in the "market of ideas" that leads that power to dominate and drown out competition. I have seen this sometimes in the doctrine, for instance Guido Calbresi's amazing 2d Circuit opinion in the Vermont  campaign finance case. But it doesn't show up in the Supreme Court doctrine for the most part.  

Citizens United overturned all THIS precedent, and the real bogus LEGAL argument that Greenwald is making is that speech has somehow always and everywhere been protected, not matter who the speaker or what the context. The legal test literally calls for a consequentialist calculus of the government's interests.  So for Greenwald to agree with Citizens United, he cannot just rely on saying "its speech, therefore its protected."  He is the one who is ignoring the gritty detail of the legal doctrine and not explaining what about the majority in Citizen's opinion was so persuasive that it should overturn all this precedent under the compelling govt. interest test. Instead, he resorts to tautological platitudes about "speech must be protected everywhere, not just in some situations."  He knows full well however that the law is not that blunt of an instrument, and that there are many principeled legal justifications for drawing lines at various places.

Again, I completely agree with you, but I think its worth noting that Greenwald (and the majority in CU) is wrong not only on the policy substance, but also from a purely legal standpoint, at least as I read it.  In any event, Greenwald's "legal" justification is actually even more pathetic than the majority's, who at least attempt to give a legal justification rather than resorting to simplistic, vague, and meaningless platitudes about "the rule of law" and "freedom of speech" as if just reciting those phrases obviously settle the issue in his favor.


Legal Facts, Sure. But Lies, Nonetheless (4.00 / 2)
Look at #3.

Heck, Santa Clara wasn't even an actual decision.  It was a clerk writing for the Court!

There are others who've made the legal arguments already--which you've done a very good job of presenting concisely--and while that is certainly very important, I also believe it is very important to challenge the entire hegemonic framework.

Thanks for taking the time to lay this out.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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By all means, challenge the hegemonic framework (4.00 / 1)
I completely agree it is very important to challenge the framework.  In fact, I think that's probably more practical in terms of changing political opinion and getting the public and congress to act.  But to the extent you are trying to convince or raise doubts in Greenwald's mind, and other "liberal" pro-corporate speech attorneys like Kathleen Sullivan, the legal arguments are useful to keep him from making you out to be a "non-lawyer who just doesn't get how the legal system works" strawman, as he does here:http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/01/23/citizens_united/index.html

I'm not saying that is a justifiable or honest argument he's making there.  It is just an argument Greenwald is almost inevitably going to make, because he doesn't have much more to rest his hat on.


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I've Thought Ever Since Buckley v. Valeo We'd Wind Up Here! (0.00 / 0)
Once you accept the lie that money = speech everything else is just eventually going to lead you around to the conclusion that all forms of corporate bribery are really protected "speech."

The next case they decide will outlaw ALL restrictions on direct corporate spending on campaigns in the name of "free speech." I would anticipate the S.Ct. will get around to that sometime in the next two years -- perhaps sooner since Conservative activists will certainly seize their chance to eliminate all restrictions on a direct corporate takeover of politics.

This may well provoke a reaction though because it's so blatant. Obama certainly UNDERPLAYED his hand -- I would have ripped those justices a new one for their outrageous decision.

But, in a sense they are like Justices who refused to review Plessy v. Ferguson (separate but equal). As long as you refuse to flat overturn Plessy, then you're stuck with INEQUALITY because there's simply no way to get around the logic of states determining what to spend on each "separate" institution. That's why the Warren Court had to simply start from scratch and overturn Plessy rather than tinker within the existing structure.

We need to take an AXE to the root and just organize a campaign around the current public hostility to big corporations that exist in America by saying boldly: "Corporations are NOT people and they have NO Constitutional rights that a legislature must respect!"


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Perhaps I misread Greenwald's analysis (0.00 / 0)
But wasn't he basically saying that while the ruling itself might be correct--i.e. constitutional--in a purely academic, logical sense, the manner in which it was reached was completely contemptuous of years of legal and constitutional precedence, e.g. rejecting stare decicis for no compelling reason (i.e. one that protects the peoples' clear interests in a manner that is constitutionally sound, as was the case in Brown v. Board), and about as clear-cut a case of outcome-oriented judicial activism as he'd ever seen (at least, since Bush v. Gore)?

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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Buckley v. Valeo (4.00 / 1)
It is worth noting that although Buckley v. Valeo declared that money is speech it also specifically upheld the right of the federal government to limit campaign contributions.  There's that pesky balancing act.  Citizens United effectively overturned Buckley v. Valeo.

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How about congress passes an excise tax on political expenditures (0.00 / 0)
Say, every dollar spent by a given person or organization beyond a certain reasonable threshold (say, the mean donation amount over the previous few years) gets progressively taxed, with the proceeds being partly (or wholly) directed towards public election funding.

Oh, and make it cover lobbying as well. If we do this, we should be consistent about it!

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


Agreed (0.00 / 0)
I've long considered this a very logical thing to do.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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If they look at the first amendment right to speech (0.00 / 0)
equalling money as an absolute, and are willing to overturn any case law for that goal, what is to prevent them from considering this a violation as well? The right of Congress to tax and spend is without question, but that's only true if the S.Ct. is willing to engage this balance. However, we have already seen they are willing to ignore balancing.  

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In That Case (0.00 / 0)
what is to prevent them from ruling that all taxation is a violation of the First Amendment?

After all, if money is speech, then taxation is restricting free speech!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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There is no balancing in such an argument (4.00 / 1)
Clearly congress has the right to tax if there is no other competing con law principle. In your scenario, this would reduce the concept to being meaningless.

My point is that there is a balancing of two known and real conflicting principles of con law here even with the taxation approach.  What's the difference here  between regulation and taxation? Is the point for revenue or for chilling speech?

I can see the arguments.

As I have said, these balancing acts are not new.  Copyright versus Free speech.

What is interesting here is that the court ignored any attempt to balance.

By the way, Scalia, as I remember,  is well known for trying to use the balancing  with regards to states rights issue.  


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Shhhhhhhhh (4.00 / 1)
Don't give them any ideas.

Seriously, though, I now believe that they're capable of, and quite possibly interested in, reaching such a dangerous and radical outcome. Perhaps Kennedy isn't QUITE that far along, but the other four seem absolutely determined to roll us back to 1788--except for the national security/moral police state part. The Federalists would seem like far-left fringe loony DFH types compared to them. They want a restoration of the plantation model, at the national level.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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1898 maybe (0.00 / 0)
Rove said that he wanted to roll things back to the McKinley era.  I've seen nothing that contradicts that goal.

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Cheney (4.00 / 1)
Contradicts that.

His target date is 1214. Strictly pre-Magna Charta.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
Or 799 (4.00 / 1)
Imperator Augustus Cheneymagne or bust!

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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Also (4.00 / 1)
1214 covers the reign of Genghis Khan.  Given Cheney's need for empire and Asian conquest that might be a fit.  Rove was more modest preferring domestic hegemony.

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We seem to be rapidly approaching (0.00 / 0)
a situation in which Obama & Dems (assuming they're still in power) might have to pull an Andrew Jackson v. John Marshall. I mean, if SCOTUS is willing to make up the constitution and the precedents that have governed its interpretation over the years, then what other choice would they have but to defy them at some point?

I look into John Roberts cold and mean eyes, and I see a ferociously ambitious and dangerous man set upon remaking the country upon purely patrician lines. As much as I come down on Obama for worshipping power, he's got nothing on Roberts, who is its high priest.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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John Roberts (0.00 / 0)
John Roberts reminds me of Jerry Falwell with his self-satisfied smirk.

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I shudder to think (4.00 / 1)
what these deeply defective human beings are trying to compensate for or recapture. The conservative soul is a fallacy.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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Absolute-ly (0.00 / 0)
Greenwald is saying the decision doesn't violate the First Amendment, regardless of the Court's motive or outcomes generated from the decision that we don't like.  That's all.  Nothing wrong with that.

(Edit note) (0.00 / 0)
Paul, as of this writing there's duplication in the third blockquote of the diary.

As for the post content - outstanding. It's little breaths of sanity like this that keep me from falling into despair and able to maintain the will to fight back.


FIxed. (0.00 / 0)
Thanks.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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"more speech" (4.00 / 1)
I think the underlying fallacy in the majority opinion is that "more speech" is desirable to less. It's a form of "switch-referencing," I think, where the literal meaning of "more speech"-additional speech-is, by equivocation, used to imply "more diverse viewpoints by different speakers."

One can easily imagine a situation where one party uses blaring loudspeakers or incessant announcements that have the effect of drowning out any opposing viewpoints, or, alternatively, buys up all the available billboard space in town for a particular message. There might be "more speech" but the purposes of the First Amendment aren't served. Those are more literal situations (than the case at hand) where "more speech" equals less diversity but they're closer to portraying the probable dangers inherent in majority decision than any supposed benefit implied by such facile assertions as Justice Kennedy's "more speech, not less, is the governing rule" or Justice Scalia's "there is no such thing as too much speech" [in dissent in the earlier Austin case].

(Clearly, there are other problems as well-viewing corporations as persons for the purposes of speech or over broadly equating money with speech-which reflect the current state of the law.)


In Fact (4.00 / 1)
In the past, the Court has ruled that loudspeakers could even be banned--Kovacs v. Cooper, 336 U.S. 77 (1949).

This was not an anomaly.  There's a long line of cases dealing with free speech restrictions under what's known as "time, place and manner" regulations, that clearly don't support the notion that more speech is always better.  And this principle, too, has also been abused. The Bush Administration routinely had protesters kept away from protesting Bush's appearacnces.  Would the Roberts Court have found that unconstitutional?  Somehow I doubt it.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Your (1) and (2) are distractions from the real issues. (4.00 / 1)
Greenwald is right that your (1) and (2) are red herrings.  No court has ever said "money is speech."  What courts have held is that restrictions on the money that can be spent on speech are in effect restrictions on speech itself.  It's extraordinarily disingenuous to deny this.  And the issue is not whether corporations are "persons."  The First Amendment does not use the word "persons."  It talks about restrictions on speech.  Do you really want to deny that the movie "Hillary" is political speech?  That would be even more disingenuous.  The "person" issue is moot because all speech is ultimately the speech of some person or persons of the flesh-and-blood sort.

So we should cut the crap and admit that yes, campaign finance laws restrict speech.  That said, there is a single "lie" at the root of the Citizens United decision, namely,

(*) It is never lawful to restrict speech for any reason.

That is so obviously false, and so contrary to the history of First Amendment law that it isn't funny.  As Stevens pointed out in his dissent, the law recognizes all kinds of restrictions on the speech of children, prisoners, members of the military, and the list goes on.  Most of these restrictions are aimed at achieving the balancing that bruhrabbit discussed in a previous post.  In particular, it is surely legitimate to restrict one kind or form of speech in the interest of the overall quantity or quality of speech.  Thus, we should argue that it is necessary to restrict corporate speech so it does not drown out the speech of ordinary citizens.

Let's keep our eye on the real issues here, and avoid the sexy-sounding pseudo-issues.


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