Who is to blame for Democrats poor electoral situation?

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 15:11


So, yesterday Republicans took the lead in my national House ballot, giving them a better than 50% chance to retake the House.  Today, they are once again forecasted to pick up five seats in the Senate, with even more pickups quite possible.  So, things suck electorally for Democrats.  No news there.

Let's try a different question today--who is to blame for the sucky electoral situation Democrats face?  In the extended entry, I list my top four candidates.

Chris Bowers :: Who is to blame for Democrats poor electoral situation?
In no particular order, here are some people to blame for the looming Democratic electoral disaster:

  • Max Baucus, for delaying health care.  People in the blogosphere don't want to hear this, but the health care bill was going to be unpopular no matter what was included in the bill.  Right now, most Americans don't know what is in the health care bill.  Making it stronger or weaker would not have improved that level of knowledge, and thus changed its level of popularity.  If anything, late changes to the bill would have decreased the level of knowledge about the contents of the bill.

    Historically speaking, the health care bill is highly unpopular compared to other legislation at this point in the sausage-making process.  Given that changing the contents of the health care bill would likely make no difference on its level of popularity, the best solution was to get it out of the news cycle as quickly as possible.  This means either scrapping it (which would actually make Democrats look feckless and, according to PPP, reduce their standing in national polls), or just signing it into law ASAP.

    So, if the best path for health care was to pass it as quickly as possible, then whoever delayed it is at least partially to blame for the current Democratic electoral difficulties.  On that front, no one delayed the bill longer than Max Baucus.  During his absurd quest to find bipartisan support for the bill, Baucus delayed passing a bill out of the Finance Committee on July 31st (like all other Congressional committees), and instead passed a bill on October 13th.

    Baucus thus kept the bill in the headlines for 74 days longer than it needed to be.  As such, instead of President Obama signing the bill into law sometime in early of mid-December, it hasn't passed at all.  This kept an unpopular bill in the headlines for ten weeks longer than it needed to be, and now makes Dems look even worse for their inability to pass legislation.

  • The Gang of 18 Senators who cut $100 billion from the stimulus. A gang of eighteen Senators cut $100 billion, or over 12%, from the stimulus package in order to look "moderate."  And yet, outside of political circles, no one remembers the gang, who they are, or what they did.  Instead, hundreds of thousands of people remember themselves, their friends and their family members losing their jobs.  

    By cutting the stimulus, this gang made the current economic situation somewhat worse than it had to be.  As such, they are at least partially to blame for current Democratic electoral troubles.  Democratic members of this gang include: Bayh (IN), Bennett (CO), Conrad (ND), Landrieu (LA), Lieberman (CT), McCaskill (MO), Nelson (NE), Shaheen (NH), Specter (PA), Warner (VA), Webb (VA) and Udall (CO).

  • The 12 Democrats who helped defeat cramdown.  On April 30th, the Senate defeated a mortgage bankruptcy reform provision known as "cramdown."  This provision would have allowed hundreds of thousands of people facing foreclosure to get better mortgage terms in bankruptcy court, and thus stay in their homes.  Helping hundreds of thousands of Americans stay in their homes would have helped the economy in the abstract, and lots of real people in the specific.  Democrats would have reaped the electoral reward.

    Among the many legislative provisions that passed the House in 2009, but were defeated in the Senate, there were few, if any, measures that would have helped as many people as cramdown.  However, twelve Democrats voted against the measure anyway, thus helping to dig their party's electoral grave.  Those eleven Senators were Baucus (MT), Bennett (CO), Byrd (WV), Carper (DE), Dorgan (ND), Johnson (SD), Landrieu (LA), Lincoln (AR), Nelson (NE), Pryor (AR), Specter (PA), and Tester (MT).  Note how Max Baucus, Michael Bennett, Mary Landrieu, Ben Nelson, and Arlen Specter have already appeared twice on the "blame list."

  • The Obama administration, for not taking on banks early enough or hard enough.  My final "who is to blame" award goes to the Obama administration, for not taking on the banks who caused the economic crisis hard enough or fast enough.  Given both the unpopularity of the bailout and that Democrats would face electoral problems for a flagging economy under their watch, the Obama administration needs a villain for the nation's problems other than themselves.  On this count, the banks both were and are the obvious candidate.

    Sure, the Obama administration has lately proposed some good things when it comes to taking on the banks: small business lending with TARP money, limits on executive compensation for banks receiving TARP money (see here), new jobs bill with TARP money, tax to recoup TARP money, etc.  However, the Obama administration needed to take all of these measures early last year--plus a strong financial regulation bill--when the AIG banking scandal broke in March of 2009.

    Passing all of those measures would have been easier back then, both because Congress was on the defensive and President Obama's approval ratings were still skyhigh.  Instead, we were left with a lingering the sense of fecklessness brought on by messaging like "we can't govern out of anger." Much worse was the sense of collusion between the D.C. and the financial industry, which was brought on by the bank recovery taking place during the continued economic slide and Tim Geithner bowing to the financial industry's every whim.

    March was the moment to pivot to everything financial.  Had the Obama administration taken all of the steps then that it is taking now, it could have passed a lot of good legislation and it would have looked like a hero fighting against destructive banks.  With a year to develop, a narrative of the Obama administration vs. the banks could have formed, and boy oh boy would that narrative be useful right now.  Instead, now there is a widespread perception that there is collusion between the federal government and large financial institutions to screw everyone else. Democrats are paying the electoral price for that perception.

Getting health care out of the way fast, passing a larger stimulus, passing cramdown, and taking a harder, faster, populist line against the banking industry would have resulted in a superior electoral position for Democrats than the one they currently face.  How much better is difficult to determine, but it would have been better.  An improvement of 6% nationally would mean another 4 seats in the Senate (for a total of 58 after 2010), and still being in a position to retain control of the House.  That would be a entirely tolerable--and achievable--position.

What counterfactuals do you have for 2009 that could have improved the Democratic electoral position?  Try to keep your answers focused on events that took place in 2009 (rather than, say, not helping Republicans destroy the filibuster five years ago), and on moves that would have helped Democrats electorally (rather than on stuff that would have just been good policy, but had minimal electoral impact).


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Obama also deserves blame for letting Baucus diddle around so long. (4.00 / 8)
An effective President would have told Baucus to put up or shut up early in the summer and moved everything forward by at least two months.

For that matter (4.00 / 13)
Obama played huge roles in 1, 2, and 3. He didn't fight for cramdown and pushed too small a stimulus.


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The economy. (4.00 / 1)
Too many voters have the attention spans of goldfish.

Statistically, the party in power loses when the economy is in the gutter.  It doesn't matter who is at fault.  It doesn't matter who is trying to fix it, or who is trying to make it worse.  It doesn't matter if someone tried.  It doesn't matter if the situation is impossible.

When you attempt to find causes beyond that, you are making the fundamental error of pretending that voters are capable of evaluating policy and personality.

I watched Bush ascend the presidency twice.  I watched the voters of Mass elect Scott Brown.  

I don't care if Harry Reid strangled puppies or Nancy Pelosi snorted cocaine or Obama spent all his time clearing brush - there is no explanation for these results that does not come down the the simple reality that the raw material of governance is lacking - voters are idiots.  They vote their economic pain because they believe promises from people who have shafted them in the past.


Oy (4.00 / 1)
I don't see much proof that voters believe pols' promises; quite the contrary, it seems to me, voters rightfully mistrust both parties.

As for "voters are idiots," I'll refer you to a good Openleft piece by John Emerson:

http://www.tnr.com/article/pol...


[ Parent ]
is your link correct? (0.00 / 0)
are  John Judis and John Emerson the same? I know TNR and Open Left are distinct.

[ Parent ]
The link (4.00 / 1)
Looks like it's here:

http://www.openleft.com/user/J...

I don't even think he defends "low information" voters.  He just says that we need to play the hand we are dealt, and change the ambient noise.  But, FFS, I understand being a low information voter in 2000.  I do not understand being a low information voter while we have two wars and a historically deep recession.  It's a choice: one that is complete unjustifiable.  

My post didn't say stupid.  It said voters have the attention spans of goldfish.  I know conservatives from my family and work - a lot of them.  They aren't stupider than anyone else, but they are lazy and cowardly and surround themselves, voluntarily, in a cocoon of misinformtion.  

We live in a culture with millions of people who don't take anything seriously.  Millions of people don't take war or recession seriously.  


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I don't understand singling out voters for condemnation (4.00 / 3)
for failing to engage with politics despite "two wars and a historically deep recession" when the Democrats and the media seem intent on refusing to engage voters on these issues.

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They aren't children. (0.00 / 0)
Anyone, no matter where they place the ultimate blame for the Democrats' woes, will point to the bad jobs picture as a major part of the reason.

So, we all agree that the recession is a major factor in voter behavior.  Let's say that the voters need to be treated like children for a minute, and that they need to be somehow "engaged" on the very issue they appear to be voting on.  I think that's a little silly, but I will entertain it for a moment.

At what point will you say, enough has been done?  Does Obama need to give ten more speeches?  Does Bill Moyers need to do a couple network specials?

Because at some point, I will say: the information is available to anyone who takes modest care in voting, and being a low information voter is a choice only the voter is responsible for.  My sense is that you will never, never say that.


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What part of engaged suggests to you anything about (4.00 / 1)
children?  

Politicians, and journalists, doing their job is not paternalism.  Politics has always involved politicians reaching out to voters. Suggesting that they ought to is not silly. (What does the number of speeches have to do with anything?)



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Oh, Sorry (0.00 / 0)
Here's the right link. http://openleft.com/diary/1636...

And he followed up here:

http://openleft.com/diary/1656...

Ignorant, sure, but stupid? Well, compared to whom?

The brainpower of Americans is not the problem.



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Mistrust. (4.00 / 2)
Voters fall for the same line over and over and over:

"I'm an outsider.  I'm not part of the problems of Washington.  I can fix those problems."

That was Obama's fraudulent mantra - hope and change.  It was Reagan's fraud too.  Bush II, incredibly, ran as a Washington outsider.  Clinton did it.  I'd say the recent losers in Presidential races - Kerry, Gore, Hillary Clinton, and McCain - all fundamentally lost because they just couldn't figure out a way to pull this outsider routine.

If times are bad, you don't need to stand for anything, you just need to say you're against the status quo.  That's why the economy is a killer.      


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This is like blaming the rape victim for wearing a short skirt. (4.00 / 3)
I don't want to get into a peeing contest with you but I don't think you have any validity with this argument.  People vote to the best of their knowledge and predjudices, but it is the politicians who are expected tell the truth and be competent.  If you are suggesting  otherwise, perhaps you would be happier writing for Newsweek?

Obama not only went South on his campaign commitments but sat on top of the economy as it went South too.  He wanted the job, he got it, and now it's his.  Along with Congress.

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They aren't victims. (4.00 / 2)
Someone who voted for Bush or Brown isn't a victim.  Everyone has ample opportunity to take their civic responsibility seriously.  You can't tie this decision, demographically, to education.

People who voted against Bush are the victims, but they weren't the ones wearing the miniskirt.  

"People vote to the best of their knowledge and predjudices, but it is the politicians who are expected tell the truth and be competent."

Based on what?  I know conservatives who are WILLFULLY ignorant.  They have educations, and they simply insulate themselves from facts, because they find it, apparently, psychologically comfortable to do so.  They just don't find it pleasant to dwell on the plight of the poor, or the damage being done to the planet, or the disappearing middle class.  They would just rather believe some fairytale about America's greatness.  I don't always like facts, but I will always deal with them.  They choose to remain in an infantile state.  

There isn't any excuse for this sort of ignorance.  Anyone who has the time and inclination to watch Beck has the time to watch Olbermann - the intellectual level isn't that higher. Americans choose to be dumb, lazy, complacent, and then blame someone else.  This is what it means, for many people, to be an American.

I can understand being angry at Obama because he didn't fulfill his promise.  How in God's name can that possibly justify a vote for Scott Brown?  It can't, rationally.  People voted for Bush, over Kerry, by all appearances because they thought he was a "flip flopper," whatever that is.  Losing an illegal war?  No problem - just so he's resolute.  

You are making excuses for millions of people you don't know who obviously don't have the sense of a gnat. Why?
 


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They thought Coakley wasn another Obama (4.00 / 4)
and was going to be a corporate shill.  They wanted to kill the health care bill because it was mandates, and because it had no public option.  They also wanted to call the dems on their fillibuster bluff.  It is the two party system that is insane  .  The voters just work with the bad options they have been given.

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Not worth replying (0.00 / 0)
Except to say Mass. already has mandates, and they are quite popular. And that no poll supports what you argue here.

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You have very strong opinions (4.00 / 1)
And you are entitled to them.  That doesn't make you right.  The fact that other people see the world different than you doesn't mean they are ignorant, or childish, or wrong.  I know a great many conservatives and Republicans.  Their greatest difference with progressives is that they don't like contributing to a commons that is is controlled by the government.  Are they selfish?  Well I tend to think so, but it really depends on who gets to define selfish.  I think you need to be a little more charitable in your judgments.  The fact that you believe in something strongly is good, but it doesn't make everyone else wrong.  Many of these people are good family people who have been preyed upon by cynical politicians who have filled them with lies to exploit the people's fear.  The real problem is not conservative versus progressive.  It's elitist leadership, wealthy corporations, and growing authoritarian control of the people.  The working people needed to find alliances not division.

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When people behave in ways (0.00 / 0)
that are ignorant, childish, and wrong, that makes them ignorant, childish, and wrong.

And some people are ignorant, childish, and wrong.

I'm all for broadmindedness, but I'm not going to accept that torture and illegal wars and ignoring the grave environmental threat is just another set of opinions, just as good as any other.  

The corruption of the system doesn't excuse the corruption or willful ignorance of the voter.

If you try to find rational explanations for irrational behavior, you will get nowhere.  Most "independent" voter behavior is easily explained by a short attention span and distaste for anything that doesn't appeal to common prejudice or instant gratification.  The winners don't bother pretending that the voters need to be respected.  Their disdain for the voter is evident.  It's only the losers that seek out rational explanations, on the theory that people just must be good, deep down, if we could just find a way to break through the media filter.  I don't buy it.  


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Disagree - We are victims (4.00 / 1)
Voters are victimized by a lack of viable alternatives to the candidates the M$Ps generate.

The choice really IS Democrat or Republican. If you don't like one - what is your choice? The other.

True, one could choose to take on the activist role and create a new party, or realign one of the old ones, but that takes time, dedication, and skill sets that not every single person can marshall.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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FDR Didn't Lose Control of Congress In 1934 or 1936! (4.00 / 6)
By fighting for average Americans against the entrenched monied interests he actually GAINED support in the 1936 election.

He ruined his efforts and lost control because of the Court packing plan in 1937, but the New Deal still became wildly popular and enabled Democrats to dominate the political agenda for 40 years.

Obama had a similar chance to govern as a populist and instead spent all his time trying to be "bi-partisan" and please the bankers and Wall Street.

The American people noticed that there's been NO action and are in a rebellious mood. The ONLY thing that could have insulated Democrats from a purge in November would be to pass a bunch of stuff and impress the Independents who want to see action and strong leadership that you're getting things done!


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Yes, but (4.00 / 2)
he also made sure that people had jobs.

If people have jobs, they like you.  If they don't, you lose.  Not only would the Democrats have to pass stuff, it would have to work.  And, if by happenstance, the anemic stimulus does yield results in November, the Democrats will bounce back.  

Obama didn't have a chance to be FDR or even a populist, any more than I had a chance to be the captain of the Olympic swim team.  Neither the talent nor the inclination was ever there.  

What is this justifying a "rebellious mood?"  Is that an excuse to do irrational things, like elect Scott Brown?  Seriously, mood justifies a vote?


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The two party system is what is irrational (4.00 / 3)
The voters do the best they can. In a real democracy you should be able to punish bad politicians that have betrayed you without sacrificing your political philosophy.  Obama needed spanking.  He is corrupted, and the only way to do it is with a republican.

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Not following. (4.00 / 1)
Gosh, do you think maybe it's possible that some voters don't do the best they can, just as some people often fail at their basic responsibilities to their families, jobs, etc?

The two party system may or may not be irrational, but it's pretty easy to understand.  Imagine the mess we would have if voters had five or six parties to follow.  In fact, the two party system is exactly what makes the voters' choice so irrational.  We all know what party Bush led.  We all know which party ran a surplus in 1999.  We all know which party tried to do something about the economy, and which party obstructed.

The scorecard is very simple.

Then we have this "spanking" idea.  That's straight out of pundit ether.  I don't know anyone who would vote for a Republican or not vote, because they wanted to scold Obama.  The notion that large numbers of people think that the point of voting is to send a message to someone not running is pure fantasy.


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My life wasn't that great in 1999 (0.00 / 0)
so who gives a fuck about surpluses.

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All those whose life was better, of course! (0.00 / 0)
Really, D, you have to admit that the argument 'my life was bad in '99, so everybody should have felt the same' isn't really a strong one. We're progressives, and a such we shouldn't be so totally self centered! Hmm?

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I don't give a crap about balancing the budget (0.00 / 0)
so you are being a pain again.

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Again, you have a strong opinion (4.00 / 2)
But I feel just as strongly that the opposite is true.  The polling says that Obama voters (2008) voted for Brown.  Now you can interpret it any way you like, but a good number of us feel very strongly about politicians who lie or do the opposite of what they campaigned to do.  

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Did it ever occur to you (4.00 / 2)
that maybe one of the reasons Republicans win is that they don't believe that people are capable of governing themselves, and they treat voters like idiots, without giving it a second thought?

By all appearances, Republicans are right: voters are not "engaged" enough to make decisions in their own best interest.  Some are, but they don't sway the election.

Republicans say things like "Clear Skies Initiative" or "cutting taxes increases government revenues" again and again.  You know they don't believe them.  But the thing is, their BASE believes them, so the base doesn't give them grief for saying idiotic things to capture the votes of unengaged voters.

On the left, the base always assumes the voters are basically good and pure and just doing the best they can.  The base worries if someone lies, or if there is a philosophical inconsistency.  So the leaders are held back from blatant dishonesty and gross manipulation.  The result is, they lose, because they never seem to get a lock on those unengaged voters.  

Maybe democracy doesn't work and maybe the road to success is understanding that simple reality.


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well you think we are too stupid to choose (4.00 / 1)
among more than one party, so you agree with them basically.

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Republicans know the relation of knowledge/power (4.00 / 1)
and use it to create the reality they want to created. All the dems do is play defend and catch up. They just don't get how to frame the Dominating Discourse in politics.

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So, your strategy is to make it easier for politicians to lie to the voters? (4.00 / 1)
Why not just cut to the chase and figure out how to steal the elections and cut the ignorant voters out of the equation altogether?  


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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That's been done as well, successfully. (0.00 / 0)
Republican voter suppression techniques are extremely sophisticated, and when you have a close election, you can always find a partisan judge.

I don't think that we can make it "easier" to lie to voters, since it's incredibly easy already.

Voter suppression is one tool.  A more easily duplicated tool is assuming that voters have absolutely no attention span, and will lend some credence to a view, just because it's presented with certainty.  But, if elections are essentially an amoral process (and they appear to be), then manipulating turn out is one thing that should be on the table.

You can accept what is plain and in front of your face, or you can contort youself into all sorts of implausible explanations.  I notice, for example, whenever one side loses, the base says it is because the candidate didn't express core principles.  So, because a Democratic candidate isn't liberal enough, the conservative wins.  This pretty much accepts the notion that the important voters are completely irresponsible.  Imagine these voters were an individual in your life.  Would you trust someone that shallow and fickle to make any important decision?  The conclusion is uncomfortable, but it's fairly obvious.

If the approach being taken can't acheive modest policy objectives with a supermajority, and the electorate will make matters worse by choosing the greater evil out of inattention, pique, or other irrelevant considerations, it's time to rethink the game from the bottom up.  I think the Republican's premise that democracy just doesn't work has proved to be sound, again and again.  


[ Parent ]
What alternative do you propose? (0.00 / 0)
I think the Republican's premise that democracy just doesn't work has proved to be sound, again and again.  



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
To what? (0.00 / 0)
To democracy?  I don't have any experience living in one.  I'll leave that to the political scientists and revolutionaries.


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My history might be wrong, but (4.00 / 1)
my impression of the Court packing hullabaloo is that while it was unsuccessful, the mere threat of it moved the court to accept the constitutionality of subsequent New Deal programs.

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I would agree (4.00 / 1)
with points 1, 3, and 4.  I don't agree with point 2 and heres why:  To date, there is still approximately $500 billion of unused stimulus money.  money that could or should be injected into the economy.  not sure why its sitting around but if its been allocated for stimulus, then it should be used.  The $100 billion that was taken out has had no impact at this point.  This was more of a dog and pony show which had no effect.  

Not true (4.00 / 3)
Much of the money taken out was destined to bail out state governments. Ailing state governments have laid off thousands of state workers who, as a result, applied for unemployment compensation and cut their spending which then led to higher government deficit and a longer recession to say nothing of the personal pain it caused to all those laid off.

Maintaining jobs for those who still had them should have been the highest priority when Obama came into office. These efforts would have immediately addressed the recession and helped people. But Obama didn't fight for it and the Republicans and ConservaDems fought against it, so here we are.


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Obama and Nelson/Lieberman on HCR multiple times over! (4.00 / 8)
Obama failed to support HCR properly and left the public option hanging in the wind even after going on record for it, including making an empty promise to only accept a suitable alternative if it was dropped. Obama had multiple meetings with both the Senate and House caucuses and was unable to bring about suitable compromises, which would have moved the process along and to a successful conclusion before the end of 2009.

Worse than Obama, and my winners, are the grandstanding and backstabbing by Lieberman and Ben Nelson which left the Dems looking no better than Republicans, and in fact, looking much worse, as the world could see two Senators with minority positions in the caucus steamroll the rest of the group with  absolutely no consequences for their actions!  This leaves the Dems looking totally inept, clueless, and unable to govern!  

When will the Dems ever learn to exercise power??  There is no excuse for having majorities of this size, and no HCR bill signed into law one year later.    


"Cramdown" (4.00 / 4)
Dishonorable mention must be given to the complete marketing/messaging FAIL of the term "cramdown." A totally unsellable term that could not be more perfect frame for the opposing interests.

"The White House obviously has a loser mentality - but America rallies around winners."

Nelson, Lieberman, Lincoln and (4.00 / 1)
Landreau.

Even with all the other errors, these senators screwed up the health care bill.  The most popular part was the public option and they defeated it.

Obama's desire for bipartisanship was incredibly naive and reflected his inexperience.  But even with all of that and Baucus, and no bank reform, those four caused the most damage.    


The Democratic Problems (4.00 / 8)
are primarily a result of the economy.  

The reason unemployment is so high is largely a result of the Bush Administration - so I am tempted to blame Bush.

But the single most responsible person is Larry Summers.  It was Summers who blocked Roemer's suggestion that the stimulus package be $1.2 Trillion, and not $800 Billion.

More stimulus might have meant unemployment would have been around 8.5% and not the 9.5% this November a critical difference.

In any event though, the environment would have been tough.  


Re: the economy (4.00 / 1)
The two parties are an illusion.

They are allowed to war against each other on "social issues", but not the real stuff.


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Harry Reid. And it's intentiuonal. (4.00 / 1)
They are playing to lose - and they are doing it in as unseemly a way as President Obama did in MA.

1.) Having very publicly endorsed mandated insurance coverage - a mechanism that McCain endorsed and Obama ran rigidly against with a fear-mongering campaign throughout New England during HIS OWN CAMPAIGN -

...and 2.) Having failed to endorse a true public option - the one mechanism that he had rigidly campaigned on throughout the '08 campaign - and which was very popular in MA in particular....

3.) President Obama urgently ran to MA only at the last minute - as if to defy MA voters to vote for Coakley.

I think Obama's last-minute advocacy of Coakley was staged to rile up opposition to his - and her - center-right positions.

I think we witnessed voter manipulation EXPLICITLY TO LOSE on an extraordinary order of magnitude. It was not a mistake at all. And the President is not a stupid politician. But he is playing full-out to lose the extraordinary majority he has in Congress. It may be the only way that he can justify a strong pushback by Dems, but it is obvious that MA was plotted and gamed as a loss.  

They only call it class war when we fight back.


Completely Agree (0.00 / 0)
I would add that Rahm's dream is to have a Republican-controlled Congress in November, so Obama can move further to the right in the coming years.

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The stimulus was half as big as it should have been (4.00 / 3)
Pretty much all of the Democratic Party's problems can be traced back to the economy, as far as I'm concerned.

The best, simplest way to get the economy moving again is through Keynesian stimulus.  The best economists all argued that the needed stimulus was about twice as big as the one that was proposed (with ideally much less tax cuts).  Instead, we got a watered-down one to try to appeal to conservative Democrats and Republicans who, for whatever reason (idiocy or malice), cared more about the optics than about actually helping the country.

If the stimulus had been large enough (and had been spent more quickly), the economy would be doing better, and the Democrats would probably pick up seats in 2010.

So whose fault is it that we had too small of a stimulus?  Everyone's--the Obama administration for not demanding more; the Congress for not being able to pass more; the media for not doing their jobs and reporting accurately; the liberal interest groups for not raising a fuss...I could go on and on.

The situation we're in goes far beyond individual, or even institutional, problems IMO.  But that's a much larger topic, one on which I'm planning on writing a diary (my first ever!) soon.


Three Addenda (4.00 / 11)
Two on the stimulus:

(1) Obama deserves blame for: (a) Not making it big enough in the first place.  Krugman called this right.  He was one of a whole gang of economists across the spectrum who said we needed a larger stimulus, but Krugman also stressed the political downside, and extreme difficulty of getting a second bite. And for: (B) Not fighting for it properly, not rallying the end beneficiaries and those close to them--teachers, students, parents, school boards and principals especially as the school budget shortfalls have been devastating, and organizing to prevent them was a prototypical political no-brainer.

(2) The gang of 18 deserves an extra round of demerits, since a good chunk of what they cut was aid to the states, which then caused trickle-down damage to lower levels of government, all the way down to the schoolboard level.  When government is struggling and failing at every level, this creates a blanket effect that just can't be good for Democrats at any level.

And (3) a huge heap of blame for Obama's failure to hold the Bush Administration accountable for anything. Clinton & the Congressional Dems tried that whole "looking forward, not back" thing in 1993/94, and everyone knows how that turned out.  This was 10 times worse.  The GOP needed to be blamed for the entire galaxy of failures they've brought us.

But, of course, Obama couldn't do that, because he actually thinks that most of them were good ideas, but the wrong people were trying to get them done!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


#3 was huge (4.00 / 4)
obama and the dems should've torn bush and the gop a new one for the economic situation, instead nothing but pathetic attempts at bipartisanship

not only is that bipartisanship crap ineffective, it also makes you look weak. why are you so desperate to get the help of the gop when those guys are supposed to be responsible for the mess on your hands? obama should've been laughing at suggestions of 'working with republicrats':

why would I want to work with those morons? they turned a $250 billion surplus to a $1.3 trillion deficit. they gave me an economy that as losing 700,000 jobs a month. if you care for this country, you don't listen to them. if they want to work with me fine. but I won't listen to them.

laugh at them. ridicule them. instead obama pushed his post-partisan crap.


[ Parent ]
blame Bush till your blue in the face (0.00 / 1)
its not working.  peoople are not buying it.  Dems have had the house and senate now since 2006. thats 2 years under Bush and going on 2 years under Obama.  if you check your facts you will see that under Bush's first 7 years, the unemployment stayed at 6% or below.  The deficit was at $170 billion mainly due to 9/11 and the aftermat.  it wasn't until the end of 2006 that the deficit and unemployment began to grow (under the democratic congress)  say what you will, but the numbers are the numbers and facts are facts.  

The Dems have had ample time and power to pass anything they wanted especially this last year.  they have blown it!!!  blame whoever they want...this mess will fall ont he Dems.


[ Parent ]
Yeah, Reagan got nowhere blaming Carter [/snark] (4.00 / 4)
Please learn your history:

It's instructive to compare Mr. Obama's rhetorical stance on the economy with that of Ronald Reagan. It's often forgotten now, but unemployment actually soared after Reagan's 1981 tax cut. Reagan, however, had a ready answer for critics: everything going wrong was the result of the failed policies of the past. In effect, Reagan spent his first few years in office continuing to run against Jimmy Carter.

Mr. Obama could have done the same - with, I'd argue, considerably more justice. He could have pointed out, repeatedly, that the continuing troubles of America's economy are the result of a financial crisis that developed under the Bush administration, and was at least in part the result of the Bush administration's refusal to regulate the banks.

But he didn't. Maybe he still dreams of bridging the partisan divide; maybe he fears the ire of pundits who consider blaming your predecessor for current problems uncouth - if you're a Democrat. (It's O.K. if you're a Republican.) Whatever the reason, Mr. Obama has allowed the public to forget, with remarkable speed, that the economy's troubles didn't start on his watch.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01...

Howard Dean in 2016


[ Parent ]
It is not about blaming people (4.00 / 1)
It is about holding those that claimed to lead our nation accountable for the mistakes, misjudgements and misdeeds for which they are responsible.

It is really that simple.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
read what I wrote (0.00 / 0)
I didn't said bush. I said bush and the gop.

its not working.

it hasn't been tried!

the gop brand should have been made toxic. at every single chance obama and the dems should've blamed the bush and the gop for what they inhereted in 2009. the public should be hearing the word republicrats and thinking incompetent, stupid, morons, corrupt, care for corporations only.

2 years under Bush

bush vetoed the laws and regulations the dems passed

and going on 2 years under Obama.

and things are getting better. the economy is growing and the job losses are stopping. the economy even added jobs last month.


[ Parent ]
4 for #3 (0.00 / 0)
x 2

Folks distrust "the government" because few have ever been held accountable. When the opposing party takes office and sweeps the crimes and mistakes of the other party under the rug, or turns the page, that distrust not only festers, it is justified, underscored, and enhanced.

They protect their own, and hang us out to dry.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
Reid, Rahm and the guy he works for (4.00 / 9)
All of the things Chris noted were only possible with the blessing or indifference of Reid, Rahm and Obama. Rahm, the supposed brass knuckle hammer/enforcer of party/agenda discipline exerted no control over the Senate (demanding capitulation to Lieberman on HCR excepted) and Reid was likewise completely ineffectual. Baucus wasn't given a deadline. Nominations were allowed to languish. Discipline on procedural voting was non-existent. Allowing Democratic hostage taking. Paying off the kidnappers. Etc. Yes, Senate rules are difficult, but Reid and the WH played a very strong hand about as weakly as possible.

But the buck stops with the party leader -- Obama. Overarching all of then policy botches and failures noted by Chris is one simple, strategic FAIL. Obama promised "Change" and then allowed, even empowered, the most repulsive aspect of government: Insider-dealing, sausage-making legislative process. Coupling that with very ineffectual messaging and very poor use of the WH bully pulpit has handed the populist outsider narrative to a very competent GOP messaging machine.

Finally, it should be noted that Obama campaign itself was very weak on message creation and consistent media delivery of messaging. Despite all of the advantages held by Democrats in 2008, had Sarah Palin been a reasonably credible VP candidate Obama might have lost. In short, even though he may be a gifted speaker, the 'smartest guy in the room' Obama is not a strategic or messaging genius.

"The White House obviously has a loser mentality - but America rallies around winners."


Obama's Fault Hands Down (4.00 / 4)
The 08 campaign was the triumph of Sales & Marketing.

Of course being a great campaigner has nothing to do with leadership, and Obama fails that spectacularly.

It doesn't help that his supporting cast is Reid and Pelosi.

What was needed is the equivalent of FDR as president, Rayburn as Speaker, and LBJ as Senate majority leader.

We ended up with the equivalent of Hoover administration.


Besides the points made above (4.00 / 5)
I would add that President Obama and his administration made a crucial blunder right after the election. Obama was elected because of all the grassroots energy he had organized. But right after the election he fired all the organizers that had helped foster that energy and turned instead to the elite powerbrokers -- the same people whose stupid pro-corporate policies crashed the economy, started two wars, etc. The result -- of course -- was to disempower regular people and progressives and to empower the same people to do the same stupid things over again.

This feels exactly like the Carter and Clinton administrations all over again -- Democrats doing their best to lose elections by cozying up to powerbrokers instead of relying on progressive grassroots energy. And then, when everything is crashing, insisting that progressives need to bail them out.


That was (4.00 / 2)
UNFORGIVABLE!  Dean was the brains behind the 2008 sweeps.

Sadly, Obama hasn't figured out that he's an anchor around the neck of Democrats in 2010 and will be in 2012.  It takes a certain kind of cluelessness to be that oblivious to the world around and make the GOP contenders again.  If the Dems are smart they'll get someone positioned now to run against Obama in the 2012 primaries so they can salvage something.  


[ Parent ]
If Obama can't do a complete 180 and get something done by 2011 (4.00 / 4)
He needs to take a lesson from LBJ and not run for re-election.  He is unelectable unless he can find a way to bring independents and progressives back into the fold.  unfortunately, I don't think his personal arrogance will let him do that.  

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.c...">http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.c...">http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.c...


[ Parent ]
That was deliberate, imho. (4.00 / 2)
Dean would have been a strong voice for progressives, and as head of the DNC, he wouldhave had influence. Obama isn't intersted in pogressive policies, and he didn't want any pressure from the left. Totally makes sense that he got rid of everybody who would have been a problem for his center/right course.

I remember that some here (me too) warned about Obama's power grab on the DNC, but we only saw this as evidence that he wanted to authoritarianly lead the Dems. Afaik nobody explained this as reducing the power of the progressive wing, way back then. Damn, hindsight is 20/20...
|-(  


[ Parent ]
Let's not forget who HAS been doing her job (4.00 / 12)
Nancy Pelosi has presided over a House of Representatives whose list of accomplishments rank as historic.

It is really too bad that she has been sabotaged by a sclerotic Senate of prima donnas, egotists and morons, enabled by weak and feckless leadership (if you can call it that) from Obama and Reid.


Economists (4.00 / 2)
In addition to everything above, the primitive nature of the economics profession is to blame. It's obvious Obama has technocratic leanings and would be happy to listen to a panel of experts, indeed, that's what he did. However, the economics profession offers little to either predict this situation or tell us how to get out of it. (They could tell us how to stop a financial collapse in the short term so that was more or less successful.)  

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

No one has ever won the Noble prize for predictions (0.00 / 0)
about the future.  They are only awarded for post-mortems.

You make a very important point.


[ Parent ]
It's Obama's fault IF he relied on economists for a political problem! (0.00 / 0)
Those pundits could only point out which policies would work and which wouldn't. If Obama also asked them how to get such a bill through, he's a total fool. But there's no evidence whatever that he did.

No, absoutely no, the pundits wheren't very helpful in pushing lawmakers to do the right thing, but that was the job of the political leadership! And they failed, most prominently Obama and Reid. They really should have known better than naively rely on bipartisanship and BlueDogs. Hell, even we here at OL did know better, we regularly warned about dangeous developments at times when Dems were still acting clueless! It was the arrogance of leadership that foolishly and stubbornly pursuited a totally failed strategy from the very start which made this desaster inevitable. That's not the economists' fault.  


[ Parent ]
Reid taking reconciliation "off the table" for health care. (4.00 / 7)
A massive error.  "Hey guys, let's require 60 votes instead of 50 because it's harder that way and lets any one Democrat (or Lieberman) nuke the whole thing!"

Assuming, of course, that they actually wanted to deliver.  A point I'm growing increasingly skeptical on.


Would make a comman man think that he was trying to undermine the effort. (0.00 / 0)
But then what would a common man know?

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.c...">http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.c...">http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.c...


[ Parent ]
Thing is ... (0.00 / 0)
Harry Reid is going to be out on his ass in November because of the combined weight of these failures. Where was the guy's instinct for self-preservation? Didn't he know he would be blamed for failure after failure?

Can it happen here?

[ Parent ]
Democratic officials (4.00 / 1)
at the federal and state levels, for largely remaining silent as as this nonsense unfolded.  Whether because they supported these choices, were deferring to Obama, fearful of conservatives, Republicans or the Village, or failed to understand their own importance, they have fallen down on the job thereby empowering the other culprits.  

Support a Pennsylvania Progressive for Governor - Joe Hoeffel

If you mean Democratic Party officials, then (4.00 / 5)
As a Democratic official at the lowest possible level,(precinct officer), I can tell you that I thought that the Obama campaign had finally married the outsider grassroots with institutional power.

As a result, until at least July I expected that OfA would come charging forth to help deliver HCR from Congress. When it became clear that wasn't going to happen, I had no idea what to do: all the grassroots institutions from MoveOn to DFA that had sprung up over the last eight years seemed to lack the reach and muscle of OfA - in fact, it seemed that OfA had grown at their expense. (Where did ActBlue go? VoteVets? DFA I've heard a lot from, but MoveOn - an organization so frightening that Democrats rushed to censure them for criticizing Petraeus - doesn't seem up to anything at all.)

Talking to folks who were active in OfA I got the impression that nothing could tarnish Obama's image, and that nothing would antagonize them more than suggesting that Obama be held to account for his role in this mess. Nor was there much they could do about it, as they received their marching orders from the White House and DNC.

My guess is that this is true up and down the line. Direct criticism of the President's role or policies puts one at odds with the most potent force in the party today. And I'd guess that many grassroots Democrats - especially those from the classes of '02, '04, and '06 - probably thought that they'd deserved a rest and expected OfA would drive things from now on.

That said, are we going to get a front page post on what in the hell the grassroots should do now, with ten months to go and another 1994 in prospect?


[ Parent ]
I was thinking backbenchers and Governors and such (4.00 / 1)
but I'm glad you offered all this. I think you are right that it will be difficult to mobilize people against Obama - but I wonder about targeting Democrats like Baucus and the rest for standing in the way of Obama's (declared) agenda. I also wonder about getting in front of the White House on issues.

Support a Pennsylvania Progressive for Governor - Joe Hoeffel

[ Parent ]
More Blame (4.00 / 1)
Eric Holder and his tin ear on terrorism is coming up on the rail to place.

It was not Baucus' delay that made HCR unpopular (4.00 / 1)
It was the voting public hearing the words "tax on benefits" and "IRS enforcing compliance."


Obama is by far the one most to blame. (0.00 / 0)
Starting with the stimulus, Obama worked far too hard for far too few Republican votes.  While he promised to change the way D.C. worked he seems to have decided that this one promise overrides any other.  I thought after his failure with the stimulus he had learned his lesson but instead he is like Charlie Brown with Republicans in the role of Lucy.  

He could have recovered but then came the health care debacle.

Didn't Obama have a health care plan he campaigned on?  Wasn't there a debate between him, Clinton, and Edwards where they focused specifically on their health care plans?  What happened?  Why did Obama not offer his plan to Congress and instead just turned over responsibility for something he claimed was so important to him?  Obama could have claimed a mandate for the health care plan he campaigned on.  How many times did we hear Democratic members of Congress say they wished Obama would take more of a hand in the process?

Ultimately, Obama has the bully pulpit.  He is the one who can go and get people to pressure Congress to pass his agenda.  He ought to have forced Republicans to filibuster while he traveled the country telling people how the R's were holding up the things they voted for.  Obama squandered his mandate and now has to rebuild political capital.

His second start seems to be going well but it won't help Democrats build a larger majority in the Senate and his Presidency is looking a lot like Clinton 2.0 although slightly better with fewer bugs than Clinton 1.0.


Instead of... (4.00 / 3)
health care bill was going to be unpopular no matter what was included in the bill.  Right now, most Americans don't know what is in the health care bill.  Making it stronger or weaker would not have improved that level of knowledge, and thus changed its level of popularity.  If anything, late changes to the bill would have decreased the level of knowledge about the contents of the bill.

If it had been Medicare for all, everybody in and everybody pays - something; it would have improved peoples knowledge in a single bound.  What is a public option?  Single payer?  300% of poverty?   If it had been simple as Medicare for all, the knowledge gap would have been closed in the blink of an eye.   People don't know because the Democrats muddled it up so bad nobody has a clue what they are doing.  They just know what they aren't doing, and they aren't doing health care reform for people.  

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  


LIARMAN has to be at the top! (0.00 / 0)
I don't understand why people here so easily put him aside. He was the main offender! Without him killing the compromise, Dems would have passed an acceptable compromise last year. Thatshouldn't be forgotten, dammit!

Democrats tacking to the center and right (4.00 / 1)
Are to blame.  This country doesn't want republican policies, it doesn't want republican-lite policies.  It wants democratic policies.  Thats what we voted for in 2008, but it isn't what we've gotten.






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