Fiscal CONSERVATISM? You've GOT to be joking!

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 08:00


What if reality had any sort of bearing on our politics? What if we organized to MAKE reality matter? Doing it right requires millions of dollars over a period of years.  But humble bloggers can get the ball rolling.  What if 100 blogs all featured the following chart on their front pages on a single day, along with original posts inspired by it?  Could that get things started?  What other ideas do YOU have?

What brought me to this idea is explained on the flip:

Paul Rosenberg :: Fiscal CONSERVATISM? You've GOT to be joking!
On Monday, Mike wrote a diary, "Progressives, Investment, and the Federal Deficit", in which he argued:

While I support Keynesian deficit spending in a recession like this one, I also believe that progressives do our bigger political cause a huge disservice if we ignore the deficit issue. I believe to my core that when faced with an intractable political problem, the only way to deal with it is to face it head on rather than ignore it or stay on the defensive about it. Democrats would have taken control of Congress in 1998 if they had pushed back sooner against Republican impeachment efforts rather than trying to change the subject. Al Gore would have won West Virginia, Tennessee, Arkansas and the Presidency if he had dealt with the gun issue head on rather than ignoring and hoping it would go away. And progressives will get far more traction by taking on the deficit issue directly and having our own strategy for dealing with it than by saying it doesn't matter, or saying we'll deal with it later, and then trying to change the subject.

I responded with a comment "Fiscal Responsibility, NOT Deficit Reduction" which I began by saying:

Fiscal Responsibility, NOT Deficit Reduction

You're absolutely right about this, Mike:

I believe to my core that when faced with an intractable political problem, the only way to deal with it is to face it head on rather than ignore it or stay on the defensive about it.

But the intractable political problem is not the federal debt. It's the fiscal irresponsibility of the Republicans, as illustrated in three related charts I've presented in recent diaries, showing who's been responsible for lowering the debt-to-GDP ratio, and who's been responsible for raising it.

First of all, it's important to realize that debt by itself is not problematic for sovereign governments, only an excessive debt-to-GDP ratio is.  And what's "excessive" is a relative term, defined in large part by perceived long-term ability to manage the ratio.  Thus, the first chart, simply showing the magnitude of the debt-to-GDP ratio, begins with very high levels due to WWII, but no one then thought of the debt as a problem--and for good reason, as we made massive pay-downs on the debt during Truman's presidency.  It was only after Ronald Reagan fronted for the rise of narratives about the dangers of the debt that it actually became a problem:

The second chart shows the change in debt-to-GDP ratio, so we can see who was making progress in bringing it down vs. who was making the problem worse:

And the third chart rearranges the second chart from being ordered historically to being order in terms of the magnitude of debt-to-GDP reduction or increase (plus changing from line chart to bar chart):

As can be seen from these charts, Clinton basically had handled the debt problem--at lest in the medium run.  Bush came along and utterly destroyed all the progress Clinton had made. The long-run problem is something you don't seem to fully grasp--it's the rising medical costs underlying the explosion of Medicare and Medicaid decades in the future, not in the next ten years.  The problems aren't internal to these programs--they are endemic in the wastefulness of our medical system, not the easy stuff, the utterly useless insurance companies, but the hard stuff due to a systematically distorted incentive structure, resulting in the non-insurance part of this anomaly--chart from an early 2009 diary rerun a month ago as a "Golden Oldie" ("Obama's "mandate" to slash Medicare, Medicaid & Social Security"):

Getting rid of the insurance sector--not a public option, but full-scale single-payer--would save about $1,500 per capita, meaning we would no longer be dramatically more expensive than everyone else.  But where we need to be is another $1,000 cheaper when we come to have an elder population mix comparable to Germany, Italy and Japan.  That's the real challenge of health care reform so far as debt reduction is concerned. And we're only going to get there if we challenge the entire way that this debate is structured and framed right now, including the framing of this in terms of debt itself being the problem.

The basic problem is that conservatives want to destroy the federal government, and if that destroys everything else in America, that's just fine with them.  If you don't talk about how fiscally irresponsible the Republicans are, and discredit them totally, you will never solve the problem we face, except on their terms... in which case, the "solution" is even worse than the problem.


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Uh, Paul, great idea, but "Ratio Ratio Change"? (0.00 / 0)
Ain't that somewhat redundant?
8-/

Also, imho "Ratio" and "Post" are much too elitist! (0.00 / 0)
I understand you don't want to addess academics with that, but quite the contrary, right? So, writing "after WWII" instead of "post WWII" would be better, imho. And as for the ratio change, Debt as a percentage of GDP is such a high brow concept. You know, like, "what the hell is the GDP" and "why shall I divide the Debt with that GDP thingy, that's higher mathematics"! Can't we simply use the Debt change instead, or would the graph then look vey much different? Or maybe there's a simple phrase for "Debt/GDP ratio", like, dunno, debt index or something like that?

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Fixed (4.00 / 1)
Although, come to think of it, it might be worth looking at second derivatives, too.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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The top chart... (0.00 / 0)
...saw it (here?) somewhere a week or two ago. My first problem with it is that it's hard to read. What do the acronyms at the bottom refer to? If finally figured them out (JEC took a few seconds, RMN/GRF slowed me down; FDR was easy, but it took a few seconds longer to remember that HRT was Truman). In short, it's an elitist chart, by and for elitists that 1) care to and 2) want to decipher acronyms, and 3) have the history (or memory) of presidents to be able to confirm what it otherwise seems to be saying.

And, as far as putting this up at the top of a bunch of blogs: at first I thought great idea. But, charts. Hmm. I suppose anyone reading a lefty blog, or watching Ed/Olberman/Rachel, might be interested. Unfortunately, to most regular folks trying to understand a chart is like a dog trying to understand human speech.

Don't get me wrong. Charts are good and there's more good chart right here on OpenLeft than anywhere else. Most folks see the colors and the shapes but don't get much more than red, blue, and bars.


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Fine (0.00 / 0)
I'm down with the concept, not the presentation.

Show me how to do it better.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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sending you an email with a perhaps more legible graph (0.00 / 0)


sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.

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more quibbles... (0.00 / 0)
As long as we're in the weeds here in the comments... ;-)

1. I think the chart would be more impactful with last names for Presidents instead of initials. Truman is more memorable than HRT.

2. Saving as a PNG instead of JPG will make it crisper with all the text.

Back to the big picture... I'm not sure exactly who this kind of argument convinces, but I think it is always worth making the point as forcefully as possible that the conservative/GOP brand is bad in theory and reality. A web blast of pictures and diaries like this would help drive that home.

On the other hand, I'm not sure I want to fight on their turf right now... I don't really care so much about deficits at the moment. I want more done to put people to work. I don't care about deficit spending if the money is well spent.

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Yup, support those ideas. (0.00 / 0)
I really had to concentrate for remembering who RMN (what's that M for? Macktheknife? Money? Oh, Mulhouse) and GRF (What kind of a Ford is that? A Grand Ronmino?) are. Would be good if the was place for the names.

However, WVB: "I don't really care so much about deficits at the moment." but you have to! Because Obama's spending frreeze may actually cost jobs. So, pls join the chorus: Fuck the deficit, we want jobs!


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Right Re Names, But... (4.00 / 4)
(1) This was originally done just for us lefty nerds, so when the names proved too long, the quick fix of using initials seemed fine.  Heck, if it works for Charles Franklin, it's good enough for me.  But for wider distribution & impact...

(2) PNGs take more bandwidth, so a long ways back Matt asked me to use JPGs instead. Again, for wider distribution, I should go with PNG, and let folks use JPG if they want it.

(3) It's not an argument, it's a fact:  "Fiscal conservative" is an oxymoron.  It's precisely about attacking the conservative/GOP brand.

We should make it so that every time a conservative opens their mouth to talk about money, they have to start by defending their horrible record. Being Superbowl weekend and all, let me it like this:  they should be forced to start every drive in their own end zone.

Yeah, I know that would be against the rules.  That's sort of the point.



"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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On the criticisms so far (4.00 / 1)
Let's not be high-brow. No one understands this, so let's not talk about it at all. Your charts and graphs should be prettier. We can't win by talking about reality.

All of this may be true. So what? Our silence about this is like our silence about the militarization of America, or about our shamefully unqualified support for Israel. Sooner or later, we're gonna have to talk about it. The infantilization of the American body politic isn't a reason, it's an excuse. Acquiescing in it will get us nowhere, which is precisely where it's gotten us for the last forty years. Let Sarah Palin put her fingers in her ears. If she won't listen what we have to say, she'll have to join us in viewing the sad consequences soon enough. That's her business, not ours.

Needless to say, if the American people prefer to follow her, we've lost. Again, so what? Do you really want to pretend to be a moose-hunter for the rest of your life?


"We can't win by talking about reality. " LOL!!! (0.00 / 0)
Well, hehe, indeed, William. Great way to round up the problem!

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Right on, Paul. (4.00 / 2)
The Republicans and the ConservaDems ought to be forced to defend from their own end zone.  Fiscal conservatism is an oxymoron.  And, the nature of this new round of auditions for the role of Panic Artists would suggest that too many (I'm talking to you, Mike Lux) are too willing to take up the debate on their own 25 yard line, instead.  It's a mugs game.

As Krugman observes,

The trouble, however, is that it's apparently hard for many people to tell the difference between cynical posturing and serious economic argument. And that is having tragic consequences.

People fail to understand how Colorado Springs came to turn off the lights.  Consequently, they are poised to draw all the wrong conclusions from the recent history through which they are living... never mind the history of the 1930's.  And, any yammering on the left that, "Yes, we need to be concerned about debt and deficits," will only serve to reinforce those wrong lessons, thereby making the whole circumstance worse and more difficult to emerge from.  The Democrats are doing nothing to help people discern the difference between the posturing and the economic circumstances co-opted for that posturing, and those in the liberal blogosphere shouldn't be aiding and abetting that confusion.


Well, The Deeper Irony (4.00 / 3)
is that yes, debt is a problem to be concerned about in the long run.  But it's almost entirely a result of conservative mismanagement & demonization of policies that actually work.

In addition to the atrocious record of debt accumulation shown above, conservative are also responsible for preventing us from having a rational health care system, like every other advanced industrial nation in the world.  If we had the underlying health care cost structure of, say, Germany, then we'd have no Medicare/Medicaid cost crisis from now to 2050.  It's not the government programs that are the problem, it's failed the underlying market system.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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when it comes to "governance" all manner of ironies abound (4.00 / 3)
Well, The Deeper Irony
is that yes, debt is a problem to be concerned about in the long run.  But it's almost entirely a result of conservative mismanagement & demonization of policies that actually work.

What you characterize appropriately as irony, I view as a horrible kind of feedback loop.  That's correct; the debt matters in the long run.  It's the way the debt of yesterday is used as a cudgel against the Democrats today, only to let the debt explode once again when the Republicans again get the reins of gov't in their grasp.  The way the Republicans will incur that debt will do little to nothing for the voter who was led to believe tax cuts were the means for solving it.  The voter is allowed to keep a little more out of what they already have a lot less of.  They haven't figured out - or, they haven't been allowed to know - why it is they keep having less after these tax cuts take effect.

I'm too inept to find the post where Digby (referencing dday) makes the point about Americans being squeamish about who benefits from (presumed) gov't largesse.  It ain't okay when the "wrong" people benefit.  As long as you have something, then any part of yours that goes to someone who has less is a bad thing.  So, the beauty of the Senate's health care bill is precisely the way it held the uber-rich harmless (kind of like the MIC/defense industry), but made sure that the sacrifices the "middle class" would have to make were plain to see.

[Makes me think of that old chestnut... paraphrasing... A libertarian would be happy to live in his/her car, as long as s/he could look out the window and see someone living in a carboard box.]

Without some genuine progressive tax code, I can honestly understand why someone barely hanging on to their middle class identity, is resistant to helping someone on a rung below.  If you're clear that those who have benefited from this "rigged game" are going to continue to benefit - at the expense of the other 95% - you're willing to sacrifice the "commons" which the rich don't need anyway given the insulating nature of their "gated lives."

I'm not saying this well, but I see it as a vicious circle.  The Republicans contribute mightily to the problem and then claim the way to solve the problem is to make the problem worse.  And, somehow, they manage to convince the voter with simple arguments appropriate to household finance that these measures are appropriately applied to government as a whole.  Although the word economy gets thrown around a lot, the conversation is about finance.  Actual economic arguments have apparently been made taboo since the Laffer Curve.  And, what can't be accomplished with arguments applicable to household finance, then moral arguments are substituted.  Such as, it's wrong for you to walk away from your upside down mortgage, even though business walks away from under-performing contractual agreements all the time.

When Roubini, at the beginning of the economic meltdown, spoke of separating the real economy from the nominal economy for damage control, I'm pretty sure what we're witnessing isn't what he had in mind.  

/end of rant


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Yes, Of Course (4.00 / 1)
"Irony" is the take on the rhetorical representation.  The reality behind that representation is much as you describe--an intentionally crafted set of interlocking vicious circles dragging us ever downward.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Here are my questions (0.00 / 0)
What's the narrative that makes sense of this data?  And what are the values that progressives and conservatives espouse that lead to these different outcomes?

I like the idea of fiscal responsibility (rather than conservatism) - it reminds me of the Responsible Plan - progressives are being responsible, conservatism is not.

(That term, "fiscal responsibility" is used by Hoeffel.)

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


No One Narrative Yet, Perhaps (4.00 / 2)
I'm inclined to think that the best narratives arise out of an organic process. But for starters, I can suggest this:
    "40 years ago, perhaps the idea of a 'fiscal conservative' made some sense. But it wasn't very attractive. So folks re-defined the term to mean 'cutting taxes, no matter what.' Reagan did this in 1981, and the result was massive deficits, the like of which had never been seen since WWII--the exact opposite of what 'fiscal conservatism' used to mean. And that's the way it's been ever since."

It may not be the greatest narrative in the world, but basically, it's true, so it's a good point of departure.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Perhaps (4.00 / 3)
Here's my rough take.

I would say the reason Reagan Republicans shifted was because they wanted to shift money upward and undo social insurance, more so than because what they offered was popular.  Or, to put it another way, Reagan scared people into thinking that "others," some group of the undeserving, were making out from your tax dollars, which made taxes and "government" (of a certain kind) the problem.  

In reality, Reagan (and the Bushes and Gingrich and the rest) only sought to scare regular folks away from "government" convincing them that government couldn't deliver for them - all the while delivering the benefits of government to rich individuals and corporations.  Thus government's size grew (although not through wise investments that would grow the economy), while the people who benefited from these new changes contributed less, meaning the debt would continue to rise.  

Because these Republicans weren't interested in making government deliver for regular folks, governing was increasingly unable to govern. They then turned around and told us that we shouldn't have to pay for the bad governance that they themselves had delivered.

The solution, then, is to go back to a politics where we seek to find the best way to provide for the common good through government. That was the debate Democrats and the pre-Reagan Republicans were having. Fiscal conservatism has proven irresponsible - it is nothing more than an attempt to decrease our economic security so that the uber-rich can make money through wild speculation.

Fiscal responsibility - which is the opposite of what conservative Republicans have done - means raising revenue through taxes in the most fair way from the sources that are most able to pay, while ensuring that government spending delivers investments that grow the economy and provide economic and social security to all Americans.  

Or something.

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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bystander's Comment Above Is Relevant Here (4.00 / 3)
And the shift to this (bolded part):

In reality, Reagan (and the Bushes and Gingrich and the rest) only sought to scare regular folks away from "government" convincing them that government couldn't deliver for them - all the while delivering the benefits of government to rich individuals and corporations.

bring us to what I refer to as America's conservative welfare state--a different model, but functionally related to the origianl European model described by Gosta Esping-Andersen in The Three Worlds of Welfare Capitalism.

Essentially, this has become the standard model now, and Obama's approach is basically no different in kind, only in degree.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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"When you've got friends like this …" (4.00 / 1)
A progressive economist looks at how progressive need to confront the conservative "fiscal responsibility" meme instead of reinforcing it by claiming that they are actually more fiscally responsible than the so-called fiscal conservatives:

When you've got friends like this ... Part 1

When you've got friends like this ... Part 2


Without A REAL Left To Push The Reality Side Of Things (4.00 / 1)
This sort of phenomena is virtually guaranteed, I'm afraid.

It would help us, though, if you'd take the time to excerpt a couple of brief passages when you give us links like this.  Tends to enrich & prolong the discussion.

I'll be writing more about this later on this weekend, including a big-picture piece on the fact that this is actually the third "Third Wave" we are dealing with.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Progressive strategy (0.00 / 0)
Paul, I appreciate your point. The reason I didn't excerpt is that I've posted pretty extensively on this in previous posts on this topic. Moreover, this is somewhat unfamiliar territory economically, even for trained economists. One really needs to study the relevant material carefully in order to be able to understand it and present it as a progressive alternative.

As long as progressives do not do this, they will continually be facing the impossible and needless task of trying to explain how to "pay for" a progressive agenda, when the US government is not financially constrained, and "fiscal responsibility" is a purely conservative ideological meme that is self-serving.

The short answer is that US government deficits are equal to non-government surpluses of net financial assets, and vice versa. That is to say, US government disbursements increase non-government NFA and taxation decreases NFA. Therefore, government deficits promote non-government saving and government surpluses require increased domestic borrowing from commercial banks to maintain lifestyle, or else accept a lower standard of living. Government surpluses are favorable to rent-seekers (FIRE) and bad for consumers and workers. Government deficits are good for consumers and workers and bad for rent-seekers. There's no mystery why the ruling elite prefers "fiscal responsibility" and is hoodwinking the people into thinking it's a good idea for them.

This is difficult to grasp initially because the programming runs so deep. I suggest that people that aren't up on economics begin with 7 Deadly Innocent Frauds.


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Here's comment I recently posted over at Ian Welch's place on this (0.00 / 0)
The government should act with a purpose rather than arbitrarily. In a fiat system such as now exists, a monetarily sovereign government is not financially constrained in currency issuance and doesn't need to "fund" its disbursements with taxes or "finance" its deficits with borrowing, unlike currency users, like households, firms and states in the US (and countries in the EU).

A monetarily sovereign government such as the US government increases the net financial assets of non-government by disbursing funds through currency issuance and withdraws net financial assets through taxation. Debt issuance simply shifts the commercial banks' reserves at the central bank that were created by government disbursements to another asset form, namely, government securities, draining excess reserves, which allows the central bank to hit its target rate in the interbank overnight market.

This leads to the two principles of functional finance that Abba Lerner enunciated: 1) the government should only issue currency through disbursements to increase non-government net financial assets (NFA) and only tax to reduce NFA. 2) The government should only use debt issuance as a monetary operation to clear excess reserves, which is desirable if the central bank does not offer a support rate on reserve equal to its target rate. When this is understood, it becomes clear that the government has the prerogative and corresponding responsibility to manage the currency by injecting and withdrawing NFA in the proper amount to balance nominal aggregate demand or spending power with the real output capacity of the economy operating at full employment, neither injecting too much, so as to generate inflation, nor to little, so as to produce deflation and a consequent recession, with rising unemployment.

Automatic stabilizers do this to a great degree, progressive taxation reducing NFA as the economy approaches full capacity, while the safety net and progressive taxation increase NFA as the economy contracts. Ideally, automatic stabilizers are all that is necessary if properly designed, because this removes the messy political process of adjusting fiscal policy.

The central bank's monetary policy is chiefly driven through its control over interest rates, which it uses to adjust the amount of bank money created in the commercial banking system through credit extension (loans create deposits). Everyone's bank money is someone else's loan, so all bank money nets to zero. The commercial system cannot increase of decrease non-government net financial assets.

Fiscal and monetary policy that are arbitrary or ad hoc generally fail to balance nominal aggregate demand with real output capacity, so the economy swings between boom and bust. Looked through the lens of how the present system works, fiscal policy can be addressed appropriately. There is still room for more conservative and more liberal approaches to the details, e.g., the balance of disbursement to taxation and the % of the real output that the government should be directly involved with. But at least the debate will be on a sound footing instead of myths and idoelogy.


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Please Note: (4.00 / 1)
Mosler sometimes posses as a post-Keyensian.  But post-Keyensians focus intently on the irreducible role of risk in the economy as an aspect of Keynes' thought that was criminally neglected by even those who claimed to be following in his footsteps.  Mosler, OTOH, articulates a fantasy of control that would make Milton Friedman blush. And to the extent that you read him uncritically, you are leading yourself down the primerose path.

I'm thinking in particular of claims such as this:

This leads to the two principles of functional finance that Abba Lerner enunciated: 1) the government should only issue currency through disbursements to increase non-government net financial assets (NFA) and only tax to reduce NFA. 2) The government should only use debt issuance as a monetary operation to clear excess reserves, which is desirable if the central bank does not offer a support rate on reserve equal to its target rate. When this is understood, it becomes clear that the government has the prerogative and corresponding responsibility to manage the currency by injecting and withdrawing NFA in the proper amount to balance nominal aggregate demand or spending power with the real output capacity of the economy operating at full employment, neither injecting too much, so as to generate inflation, nor to little, so as to produce deflation and a consequent recession, with rising unemployment.

The Friedmanite flavor of the above passage should be quite evident to anyone familiar with his dogmatic monetarism.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Lerner and Mosler Friedmanites. Really? (0.00 / 0)
Ha Ha Ha Ha.

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Read Me Carefully (0.00 / 0)
I first encountered Mosler in a post-Keynsian context.  It was only a number of years later that I realized his ideological simplicity and certainty were deeply at odds with PKT's basic orientation, and oddly congruent with Friedman's sweeping grandiosity.

Besides, if we're going to play the "association trumps thinking" game, then what's Mosler doing speaking to Teabaggers & touting his run for President in 2012?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Paul, I'm not attached to Mosler (0.00 / 0)
It is useless, I think, to get distracted by focusing on a particular individual. Warren Mosler is actually a rather minor player on the PK-MMT field. If you don't like him, fine. He's not at all necessary for the argument.

The sole reason I recommend his 7 Deadly Innocent Frauds is simply because it gets some basic ideas across that are otherwise a bit difficult for people not somewhat conversant in economics and finance to understand without some investment. The heavy hitters in the field who regularly blog, like Bill Mitchell, Randy Wray, and Scott Fulwiler, are all economics professors, so even their "accessible" writings are somewhat challenging for the ordinary person. How many people are going to sit down and read Wray's Understanding Modern Money, which is fairly accessible but it's almost 200 pages.

This is why I am urging progressive activists to study up on this, so that they can present these ideas it an accessible way in the progressive blogosphere. Unless there is a large-scale reversal of economic illiteracy to counter the mainstream propaganda, the conservatives are posed to use this crisis to declare the US bankrupt and repeal the New Deal programs they despise, especially SS and Medicare. Count on it.

Progressives have to change the framing of this debate, putting it on reality-based grounds, instead of myths and ideology disguised as economic science. This is why I keep harping on the fact that the "fiscal responsibility" meme is a myth being used for propaganda purposes.


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Actually,There ARE Constraints--They Just Aren't The Ones Most Talked About (0.00 / 0)
Sovereign states can't just do magic with money--despite what Mosler says.  But they can do things that would be magic (or else illegal) if anyone else did it.  This is even more true for the US, since our currency is still the world's reserve currency.

If you'd present some excerpts from articles you link to, we could begin the task of hashing things out, distinguishing between the valid criticism and the hokum.

However, at the same time, it's also the case that Bush took a projected $5.6 trillion surplus for 2002-2011 (accorrding the CBO in 2001, pre-tax cuts), and turned it into a cumulative deficit of $3.8 trillion as of CBO figures in 2008 before the financial meltdown. If we focus attention entirely on abstract realms that most people can't begin to make sense of, and fail to engage on this fairly basic--yet hidden--level, then we are simply making fools of ourselves.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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adsf (0.00 / 0)
Paul, thanks for pursing this. We need to be having this discussion.

As I said, this is a complex matter and one needs to study it in detail before one can present a coherent progressive position that counters the "fiscal responsibility" meme that is ground in gold standard thinking and is based on the false analogy between government and personal finance. Of course, there are constraints. They just aren't chiefly financial, as "fiscal responsibility" implies.

As I point out above, "the government has the prerogative and corresponding responsibility to manage the currency by injecting and withdrawing NFA in the proper amount to balance nominal aggregate demand or spending power with the real output capacity of the economy operating at full employment, neither injecting too much, so as to generate inflation, nor to little, so as to produce deflation and a consequent recession, with rising unemployment." Abba Lerner enunciated his principles of functional finance in the 1940's. This is not new stuff. It's just not mainstream because the dominance of neoliberalism is actively excluding "heterodox" economics.

There are also international considerations, as you note, especially since the US is the issuer of the reserve currency and must issue enough to keep the world's monetary system in balance. The problem with conservatives here is that behind under the guise of free market capitalism and the Pax Americana, they want to use the monetary and economic superiority of the West to "discipline" emerging nations in a self-serving way. Progressives need to address this, too, and it is part and parcel of the whole "fiscal responsibility" meme. See Noam Chomsky's trenchant and prolific critique of this for details.

Until progressive leaders do their homework and start countering the conservative ideological worldview based on neoliberalism with reality-based economics, , the progressive agenda will languish. The conservative neoliberal worldview is reminiscent of the gold standard, which financiers would like to pretend it still in place because it favors them, even though it is no longer reality-based. They need to be called out on this and shown to be either ignorant or disingenuous.

For example, the real constraint on currency issuance is not issuing so much as to generate inflation. This happens when the government issues so much as to stoke spending power in excess of real output capacity, or allows the commercial banking sector to generate an excess of bank money through loose lending that generates excess spending power in relation to real capacity. However, note that this is NOT "too much money chasing too few goods," as often claimed. This is excess nominal aggregate demand relative to real output capacity at full employment, so that demand in increasing too fast for supply keep up in meeting with production of goods and services for sale through expansion.

if there is spending power (nominal AD) then business will expand capacity to accommodate it. Also, government disbursements do not compete in the private sector for goods and services, if the government invests in areas that the private sector is unable or unwilling to service, thereby expanding the productive capacity of the economy. Health care is a good example. Most of the health care services are consumed by people on Medicare, and without this program a lot less would be invested in the health care industry and innovation would lag.  There are countless examples where government participation increases the productive capacity, benefitting everyone.

There is the financial wherewithal for many government investments that private sector is unable to handle because of the scale, or is unwilling because the return on capital is insufficient to please Wall Street - from health care, to education, to basic research, to infrastructure, to a job guarantee for anyone willing and able to work that cannot find a job in the private sector. These are the opportunities that progressives need to be focused on, showing how they are feasible under the current monetary regime, instead of letting conservatives get away with a "fiscal responsibility" meme that no longer applies in today's world.

Admittedly, the nitty gritty of the arguments will have to be presented by progressive economists who understand the workings of the contemporary monetary system and are willing to go out on a limb and talk about it in an environment in which mainstream economists will do everything in their power to undermine them. There are big names who understand this, but so are not willing to "come out." Progressive activists need to give them cover and have their back.


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Hey, it's happening to some degree (0.00 / 0)
Here's an article just published in the LA Times featuring Marshall Auerback, who works in finance and is a fellow of the Roosevelt Institute as well as a frequent contributor to New Deal 2.

In praise of mammoth deficits

Here's the crux of it:

"The federal government can create money at will, and its spending "is constrained only by what our population chooses as national goals," Auerback said.


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GFC (Global Financial Crisis) Be warned of the hidden agenda. (0.00 / 0)
The GFC is amping up as Greece, Spain and Portugal slide into serious trouble after Iceland and Latvia. There are emergency meetings going on all over this weekend, reportedly a secret one between the finance ministers of the global movers and shakers.

What's up is this. The global commercial banking system doesn't have the capital to pull the world out of the crisis through lending, the normal procedure of rent-seekers. The capital of the commercial banking system in the US is also insufficient to fund the US through private debt. This means that currency issuance is the only option, which will mean expanding deficits and national debts.

The financiers that control capital are not going to let a good crisis go to waste and are going to demand fiscal austerity as a price. This means high unemployment and draconian spending cuts, excluding military, of course. In the US, this will mean putting SS and Medicare on the block as "unfunded liabilities." Count on a push for privatization based on a pressing requirement for "fiscal responsibility."

It's all ridiculous and unnecessary from the perspective of modern monetary theory, and  it is being engineered by people whose mistakes (greed and overreach) destroyed a good bit of their capital. They are going to use their considerable political clout to get it back and them some using the "fiscal responsibility" meme and talking all kinds of dire consequences if they don't get their way. This is basically holding the country and world hostage with an unleaded gun. Don't let them get away with it.


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