Great exchange between President Obama and Senator Lincoln

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 20:30


Or, the difference between New Democrats and Blue Dogs revealed

The difference between a New Democrat and a Blue Dog Democrat is often hard to see for many people.  This is because neither group has either a coherent list of policies and principles, and because their House caucuses share fifteen members.*

Today, President Obama and Senator Blanche Lincoln put that difference on display for the whole country to see.**  Lincoln, who trails badly in her quixotic quest for re-election, had an illuminating back and forth with President Obama.  In this discussion, Lincoln argued that Democrats just need to attack the left, look independent and bi-partisan, and maintain status quo policies (or, really whatever policies Republicans want).  President Obama argued that Democrats need to scrap Republican policies, leverage the private sector to perform public services, and then attack the left.

Here is how Lincoln started her question:

LINCOLN: Mr. President, I come from a seventh-generation Arkansas family. My dad was a good Democrat, and he was a great Arkansan, and he was very typical of Arkansans in that he was very independent-minded, as am I, and as most of my constituents. And he used to tell me early on when I ran for Congress, he said it's really results that count. And as I look at what's going on in my state and among my constituents -- I visited with a constituent yesterday, good Democrat, small business owner, who was extremely frustrated -- extremely frustrated because there was a lack of certainty and predictability from his government for him to be able to run his businesses. He's -- he and his father have worked hard, they've built three or four different small businesses, and he fears that there's no one in your administration that understands what it means to go to work on Monday and have to make a payroll on Friday. He wants results. He wants predictability.

And I think that you're exactly right. People out there watching us, they see us nothing more than Democrats and Republicans up here fighting, fighting only to win a few political points, not to get the problem solved.

Lincoln's question is entirely about identity. Instead of policy, she mentions her family lineage.  She notes how she is "independent minded."  She talks about how people in the administration are unable to identify with specific experiences.  She mentions how it is important to appear as though you are solving a problem, rather than appear as though you are fighting.  The entire question is based on identity and image, excepting her insistence on "results" without ever defining what "results" actually mean.  Even the one thing close to a specific that she offers, "predictability," essentially means no change to policy at all.  The most predictable policies are the ones that never change.

For Lincoln, the problem Democrats have with voters is entirely born of identity and public persona.  As such, her solution is also entirely based on image and identity.  Just attack the left, and make it look like you are working with Republicans:

LINCOLN: [A]re we willing as Democrats not only to reach out to Republicans but to push back in our own party for people who want extremes, and look for the common ground that's going to get us the success that we need not only for our constituents but for our country in this global community, in this global economy? Are we willing as Democrats to also push back on our own party and look for that common ground that we need to work with Republicans and to get the answers?

Lincoln offers no policy solutions at all.  In fact, she explicitly argues against any new policies, instead favoring "predictability."  Keep all policies the same, attack the left in public, and get lots of photo-ops and co-sponsored bills with Republicans (bills that don't change any policy, of course).  This is an identity-based ideology, just as Blue Dog-ism itself is an identity based ideology entirely about publically differentiating oneself from the left:

"Blue Dog Democrat" is derived from the term "Yellow Dog Democrat." Former Texas Democrat Rep. Pete Geren is credited for coining the term, explaining that the members had been "choked blue" by "extreme" Democrats from the left.

There are no policies here.  There are no principles.  Being a Blue Dog is just about appearing anti-left.  That is the founding, essential tenet of Blue Dog philosophy.

With surprising forcefulness, President Obama responded to Senator Lincoln that reaching out to Republicans, and adopting their policies, isn't going to do any good for Democrats.  This is because Republican policies have have failed, and caused real economic problems that are making voters angry:

OBAMA: Well, if the agenda -- if the price of certainty is essentially for us to adopt the exact same proposals that were in place for eight years leading up to the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression -- we don't tinker with health care, let the insurance companies do what they want, we don't put in place any insurance reforms, we don't mess with the banks, let them keep on doing what they're doing now because we don't want to stir up Wall Street -- the result is going to be the same.

I don't know why we would expect a different outcome pursuing the exact same policies that got us into this fix in the first place.

(More in the extended entry)

Chris Bowers :: Great exchange between President Obama and Senator Lincoln
Here we have the first key difference between New Dems and Blue Dogs.  While Blanche Lincoln and Blue Dog-ism are only concerned with making it look like she is fighting against the left and working with Republicans in an "independent" fashion, President Obama believes the problem facing the country is based the failure Republican policies to solve economic problems.  Look at how Obama lists numerous, specific problems is a way quite divergent from Lincoln's vague, identity-based question (emphasis mine):

OBAMA: Part of the reason people are feeling anxious right now, it's not just because of this current crisis -- they've been going through this for 10 years. They've been working and not seeing a raise. Their costs have been going up, their spouses going to the workforce -- they work as hard as they can. They're barely keeping their heads above water. They're trying to figure out how to retire. They're seeing more and more of their costs on health care dumped in their lap. College tuition skyrockets.

They are more and more vulnerable, and they have been for the last decade, treading water. And if our response ends up being, because we don't want to -- we don't want to stir things up here, we're just going to do the same thing that was being done before, then I don't know what differentiates us from the other guys. And I don't know why people would say, boy, we really want to make sure that those Democrats are in Washington fighting for us.

While Lincoln sees the problem as one of identity, Obama sees people facing specific economic difficulties caused by conservative policies.  Ed Kilgore brilliantly articulated how President Obama specifically, and Third Way / New Democrat / neoliberal philosophy generally, deviates from contemporary American conservatism philosophy:

To put it simply, and perhaps over-simply, on a variety of fronts (most notably financial restructuring and health care reform, but arguably on climate change as well), the Obama administration has chosen the strategy of deploying regulated and subsidized private sector entities to achieve progressive policy results. This approach was a hallmark of the so-called Clintonian, "New Democrat" movement, and the broader international movement sometimes referred to as "the Third Way," which often defended the use of private means for public ends. (It's also arguably central to the American liberal tradition going back to Woodrow Wilson, and is even evident in parts of the New Deal and Great Society initiatives alongside elements of the "social democratic" tradition, which is characterized by support for publicly operated programs in key areas).

To be clear, this is not the same as the conservative "privatization" strategy, which simply devolves public responsibilities to private entities without much in the way of regulation. In education policy, to cite one example, New Democrats (and the Obama administration) have championed charter public schools, which are highly regulated but privately operated schools that receive public funds in exchange for successful performance of publicly-defined tasks. Conservatives have typically called for private-school vouchers, which simply shift public funds to private schools more or less unconditionally, on the theory that they know best how to educate children.

Beyond education, this is a pattern in all major Obama administration polices.  Cap and trade is an attempt to leverage the market to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by putting a price on, and creating a marketplace for, carbon.  Mandated private health insurance with regulation and subsidies is an attempt to create increased health insurance coverage without an expansion of public sector insurance.  Purchasing toxic assets from Wall Street is an attempt to fix the broken credit market without nationalization of the financial sector.

President Obama believes that Democrats can do better with voters by moving away from conservative policies, and adopting Third Way policies that will ease several, specific, economic difficulties that people face.  This is far more substantive than Blanche Lincoln's plan to change no policies, and just adopt a more overtly anti-left, "independent-minded," bi-partisan image.

There is, however, one area where Blue Dog-ism and New Democrat-ism share common ground: they both view attacking the left in public as a necessity.  More from President Obama's answer to Lincoln:

OBAMA: So the point I'm making -- and Blanche is exactly right -- we've got to be non-ideological about our approach to these things. We've got to make sure that our party understands that, like it or not, we have to have a financial system that is healthy and functioning, so we can't be demonizing every bank out there. We've got to be the party of business, small business and large business, because they produce jobs. We've got to be in favor of competition and exports and trade. We don't want to be looking backwards. We can't just go back to the New Deal and try to grab all the same policies of the 1930s and think somehow they'd work in the 21st century.

So Blanche is exactly right that sometimes we get ideologically bogged down. I just want to find out what works, and I know you do, too, and I know the people in Arkansas do, too.

President Obama wants to find out what works, rather than clinging to the 1930's.  That is why he hired Larry Summers, who praised the overhaul of New Deal financial regulations in 1999 thusly:

"Today Congress voted to update the rules that have governed financial services since the Great Depression and replace them with a system for the 21st century," Summers said

We all know that scrapping those 1930's policies package worked out so well, and that President Obama made Larry Summers the head of National Economic Council.  As such, we can have faith that President Obama did this based on the smashing success of ditching 1930's regulations, and not because, unlike the left, President Obama is taking an ideological position on business.

No matter what President Obama says, his beliefs in this regard are ideological, and not just based in finding what works.  For example, even when scrapping New Deal era policies resulted in a massive financial crisis, President Obama still argues that we must scrap New Deal policies.  Additionally, in the midst of a financial crisis at least partially caused by scrapping those policies, President Obama hires Larry Summers, one of the chief proponents of scrapping New Deal era regulations.  That is quite the opposite of just looking for what works.  Larry Summers, and the regulations he championed back in 1999, were complete failures.

As a New Democrat, President Obama disagrees with Blanche Lincoln about the problems Democrats face with voters.  Rather than simply being an identity / image problem, he sees specific economic frustrations people face that can be fixed by adopting a different set of policies from conservatives.  Generally speaking, those policies can be described as using regulation and subsidies--often written in coordination with the business community--to get the private sector to perform public services.

In a nutshell, the difference between Blue Dogs and New Democrats is a primarily identity based centrism, versus a primarily policy-based centrism.  Blue Dogs are primarily concerned with looking anti-left, independent and bipartisan.  New Democrats actually believes in neoliberal, Third Way economic policies (and also tend to be socially liberal).  It is worth noting that, in terms of actual voting habits, the group that is more concerned with image (Blue Dogs) ends up voting much more right-wing than the group that is actually centrist (New Democrats).

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* = Overall, there are 39 House members who are Blue Dogs but not New Dems, 15 who are both, and 52 who are New Dems who are not Blue Dogs.  Additionally, there are 81 full voting members of the Progressive Caucus, four of whom are also New Dems.

** = While there is no Blue Dog caucus in the Senate, both generally and in her specific comments quoted above, Blanche Lincoln is still an excellent example of the legislative and media philosophy of the group.  Also, while President Obama never joined the New Democrats while he was in the Senate (they do have a Senate caucus, of which Blanche Lincoln is a member), he did describe himself as a New Democrat last year.


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Good analysis, you did a good job. (4.00 / 3)
Blanche Lincoln looked idiotic in her attempt to bash the "extreme" left and Obama stood up to her by saying that embracing Republican policies will send us all the way back to square one.  He didn't embrace the left she bashed, but he certainly didn't embrace her view either.

You know what I would like (4.00 / 6)
If examples like this:


I visited with a constituent yesterday, good Democrat, small business owner, who was extremely frustrated -- extremely frustrated because there was a lack of certainty and predictability from his government [...] He wants results. He wants predictability.

Had any sense of "exactly what is he afraid of?" and "What will he do or not do depending on our tax policy?"  Are we supposed to believe this guy is holding off buying stock or hiring needed help because of the possibility the portion of taxes his personal income over $250,000 might go up 3%?

If not, what exactly is Lincoln getting at?  Predictability at what?  Do small business owners like having predictable bubbles and economic implosions every 7-10 years?  Is that good for them?



Predictability (4.00 / 1)
Was a major factor in my corporate heath sector job wrt Medicare rules, Medicare rules changes and due dates, total cost of a job posting (e.g., business taxes, benefits), insurance rates. What the changes were was less important than predictability since a budget could be planned but changing it midyear was, naturally, problematic if not impossible.  

[ Parent ]
sure (4.00 / 3)
But that was not exactly a small business.

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also (0.00 / 0)
Typically government changes do not take effect immediately.  The easiest thing for the Chamber of Commerce or other business lobbies to get from legislation is a delay in implementation to give them time to react and plan for the incoming rules.

That would be an actual good example of something good that lobbyists could do.


[ Parent ]
Try providing employment and training. (0.00 / 0)
We get a one year budget about six months into the new year that is subject to change and full of red tape.  

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it's a conservative talking point (4.00 / 11)
I heard George Will blame the recession on the uncertainty caused by Democrats. Actually, it must be a very old talking point. I watched the 1938 movie Holiday recently and noticed a right-wing businessman blamed the Depression on not having the right kind of the government.  (Cary Grant's response: Which one do you have in mind? ...with the clear implication of Nazi Germany.)



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Ooops! (0.00 / 0)
Not only did Nazi Germany turn out to be not so predictable after all--99% off on that whole thousand-year thingie--the bit about Mussolini making the trains run on time was also not exactly reality-based, if you know what I mean.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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My take: (4.00 / 8)
As a small business owner myself and one who works with numerous small businesses my sense is that the predictability that this small business owner would like to see is
1. Demand--a dependable demand for goods and services that is not impeded by anything related to the incompetence of the business.
2. Cost-- non-variance from past expenditures not related to new outlays that are intended to increase cost-efficiency or demand (new technology, new ad campaigns, etc.)
What Sen. Lincoln doesn't understand is that the major problem that our economy is facing is lack of demand. Government has the opportunity to try to make up for this or not get involved.
The problem with new costs is currently not related to government policy. It's more related to credit markets, health care, and retrofitting for increased efficiencies.
So in essence what this small business owner is really asking for is government action to restore predictable business environments by shoring up demand and defraying the costs of credit, health care, and system upgrades.
In other words, what this small business owner is asking for is a more progressive policy agenda. And Sen. Lincoln is too stupid to understand that.

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Republicans Have Been Destroying Demand For 30 Years Now (4.00 / 5)
Demand comes from below.  Rich folks don't spend most of their income, poor folks & middle class folks do.

Rich folks invest their money, and if the economy isn't oriented toward the poor and middle classes, then what they invest in is generally not very productive of demand.  This includes speculative investments in stocks (which doesn't put money into the real economy) as well as overseas investments, which are great for overseas economies, not so much for our own.

This is not something you can expect a small business person to understand, because it's not something happening on the time-frame that the vast majority of his attention is focused on--not to mention all the propaganda to the contrary from the Chamber of Commerce, etc.  So explaining that that's how things work is part of the responsibility of political leadership.  Which, of course, is absolutely anathema to folks like Blanche Lincoln--and virtually all of the Versailles Dems.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Why? That's the part I don't get. Why? (0.00 / 0)
It is probably off topic, but the motivation for doing this:

Republicans Have Been Destroying Demand For 30 Years Now

is beyond my comprehension. Don't "the rich" depend on "demand" from below in order to keep their coffers full?

Why would anyone set out to destroy the very hand that feeds them fine food and rare vintages?  

Must be part of the "batshit crazy" aspect I don't get.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Why? (4.00 / 2)
Because typical consumer-driven demand no longer drives the ever higher and higher profit growth that rich people are interested in. The US population is growing at a meager 3% rate. And the wealthy aren't interested in markets that increasing by only 3% when there's a speculative real estate project in Dubai that could turn 20% or more within two years.

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Ok, I can see that as a motivation (0.00 / 0)
greed.

That gets to preference for the 20% yield over the 3% yield. But why destroy the 3% market? Why not just profit from the speculative real estate and be happy with the money, while leaving the "suckers" to try and profit from the lower yields in the consumer markets?

Why destroy the US consumer-market?


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Why Pull Wings Off Flies? (0.00 / 0)
Okay, a more serious motivation: To keep folks in their place.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Pulling the wings off of flies (0.00 / 0)
does not generally hurt the one pulling off the wings.

I see the value in the more serious motivation. The fine line between "keeping" and "destroying" aside.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Why Destroy? (0.00 / 0)
They have a name for it: "creative destruction".
They know they can't get back into the game domestically until they do some serious harm. They loved New Orleans after Katrina.

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Thanks (0.00 / 0)
Motive becomes clearer:
Neoconservative author Michael Ledeen argued in his 2002 book The War Against the Terror Masters that America is a revolutionary nation, undoing traditional societies: "Creative destruction is our middle name, both within our own society and abroad. We tear down the old order every day, from business to science, literature, art, architecture, and cinema to politics and the law." His characterization of creative destruction as a model for social development has met with fierce opposition from paleoconservatives.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Tunnel Vision (4.00 / 1)
This is just a slightly different riff on what Jeff said:

The wealthy don't generally think in terms of systems. They think in terms of "strategic opportunities" the same way that crime bosses do.  So they don't even notice that there's a system-wide problem.

Of course, even if they did notice, why would it concern them directly, as Jeff notes. But it's really hard to care about something that spend all your time ignoring.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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My projection is in the way? (0.00 / 0)
I guess I am just loathe to admit that so many folks can get so much wealth and power in our world WITHOUT thinking in terms of systems and by ignoring the consequences of their actions. It seems counterintuitive.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Just ivory tower words (4.00 / 3)
Until Obama is willing to affirmatively, aggressively lead the chicken-hearted cowards, these are just nice words. Until he's willing to lead -- act and force them to act, give them cover to act, show them how and where to act, etc. -- this might as well be a sternly worded letter.

...Adding, I was never under the illusion that Obama was or would be a progressive. But I did "Hope!" (there's that word/concept that needs restoration before November) that he would at least lead/move Democrats to actual action and away from their usual, tired, self-defeating internal divisions. Right now, I'd settle for New Democrat-type policy if he'd just lead.

Self-refuting Christine O'Donnell is proof monkeys are still evolving into humans


EXCELLENT piece, an instant classic! (4.00 / 9)
This should be required reading for every self-described liberal.  So should the Ed Kilgore piece you referenced, as well as Glenn Greenwald's companion piece.

These are key differences between the two strains of actual liberals in the Democratic Party:

"Real" liberals/progressives (of which I am one): Government should directly provide necessary goods and services for the people

New Democrats/many post-Clintonian "mainstream" liberals: Government should compel/coax private entities to provide necessary goods and services for the people

Alas, I thought President Obama would not be one of those New Democrats.  I certainly didn't expect him to take on that pack of New Democratic Rubinites that I thought we were avoiding when we chose Obama over Hillary Clinton.

The success of the progressive movement depends on real, pro-direct government liberals beating pro-government-indirectly-through-corporations New Democrats.

I might add that this should be an aspect we focus on when we think of future presidential elections, starting in 2016.  The last time we nominated a real, pro-direct government liberal was (arguably) in 1984, with Walter Mondale. (It's difficult to tell what kind of liberal Michael Dukakis was.) Let's start grooming some real liberals to be our standard bearer in 2016.


I don't know if I'd go quite so far (4.00 / 4)
as to define "real liberals/progressives" as people who believe that government should directly provide necessary goods and services for the people. I'd describe such people more as socialist (which is a perfectly fine thing to be, if that's what you believe in).

Rather, I'd define "real liberals/progressives" as people who believe that government should directly provide necessary goods and services for the people WHEN the private sector is unable and/or unwilling to do so at a high enough quality and/or low enough price to meet the public's needs. I.e. the government's good at certain things (beyond national defense, public safety and the handful of other things that most conservatives and even libertarians are willing to concede are within government's purview) and should be in the business of doing them, the private sector's good at certain things and should be in the business of doing them, and where there's overlap, they should compete with each other.

I consider myself a liberal/progressive and yet believe that there's room for a mixed public/private economic model. I suspect that most liberals/progressives do as well. It's just that the ratio's been getting progressively (no pun intended) skewed towards the private sector, WAY beyond what's morally right, practically sensible and economically healthy. And liberals/progressives want to bring more balance back into the mix.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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Private sector drives up the cost of everything. (4.00 / 7)
I probably am a socialist, and I am sick of capitalism run amok.  If it can't control itself, I am more than happy to have government do it for them - or to eliminate the middleman altogether.  I see no reason to pay Xe more than a soldier.  I see no reason to pay banks to provide student loans so that students owe more.  I see no reason to privatize and/or charter new schools when we can't afford the ones we already have.   Instead of "deregulating" public entities like they do private entities, they always way to eliminate them.  Capitalism as it is practiced in this country is just one step from child labor.  

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Agreed (4.00 / 1)
I wasn't clear enough in my original statement.  By the term "necessary" I meant the goods/services that have been deemed appropriate for government by both liberals and New Democrats.

In other words, I was trying to emphasize that the difference between the two factions wasn't so much what to do, but how.  Liberals and New Democrats agree that X, Y and Z should be done, but New Democrats want government to ask private companies to do it, whereas liberals want government to just do the damn thing itself.

As for myself, I think I'm near the borderline between liberal and socialist, though I still fall slightly on the liberal side.  While I don't think government should take over the entire economy, I do think there are areas where government should have at least a presence (if not actual control) that are not ever currently discussed or considered by anyone.  For example, I think government should guarantee everyone who's in the job market either a job or unemployment benefits, without conditions.  I also think public universities should be paid for completely through taxpayer dollars, as K-12 is (though maybe not through property tax formulas, which lock in inequalities in wealth).  And while I haven't formally endorsed an NHS-style socialized health care system where government controls health care delivery as well as funding, I think we should at least be open to the idea and study it for further consideration, instead of this defensive "oh no, we're not talking about government takeover of doctors and hospitals" that even single-payer supporters box themselves into.


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still (4.00 / 4)
If 2009 was Bipartisan Obama then 2010 seems to be Fed-up-with-Republicans Obama. This is an improvement. I'm hoping we get to Fearless Liberal Obama soon. Hey, wasn't this administration founded on hope?

Droll defined (0.00 / 0)
That is quite the opposite of just looking for what works.



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


Blanche Lincoln is an Arkansas Susan Collins (4.00 / 2)
I.e. ideologically and socially a country club moderate conservative Republican who just happens to be in the Democratic party, because that's the party that the Ozark Brahmin have belonged to since before the Civil War, and she's one. She sees the world from the perspective of her socioeconomic class, and that's all there is to it.

There are many variations on these themes, but there are basically three political movements in the US: the right, meaning teabaggers (or wingnuts), the center, meaning corporatists and the rich, and the left, meaning liberals and progressives.

Folks like Lincoln and Obama belong to the center, even if they're from different branches of it and sometimes try to seem like they belong to one of the other two movements, for purely political reasons. But time and again they've found a way to fake out the flank movements and come together to do what's best for their group.

Perhaps Obama really is starting to find his inner progressive, but until his words are followed with real actions, I'm not holding my breath. Also, I'm not convinced that he really believes in neoliberalism, so much as he's convinced himself that he believes in it because that's what all the smart and "serious" people believed in when he was in college. He seems like the sort of person who still believes that The New Republic is a genuinely liberal publication, even though he's smart enough to know how rediculous that is. But I think that his need to be respected by all these smart and "serious" people has made him functionally stupid.

So maybe it is an identity thing, after all. The pressure to be accepted by what one views as the "in" group can make even the smartest people quite stupid. Remember, Obama came of age during the rise of the conservative era, which turned many a former liberal at least somewhat conservative, and made neoliberalism (aka conservatism for smart people) quite cool among a certain type of person (e.g. Ivy League liberal arts majors).

Lincoln has her group, and Obama has his. It all kind of fits.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


One Huge Problem With The Dividing Line Kilgore Draws (4.00 / 2)
Is that it's so incredibly blurry--if not downright non-existent--in practice.

To be clear, this is not the same as the conservative "privatization" strategy, which simply devolves public responsibilities to private entities without much in the way of regulation. In education policy, to cite one example, New Democrats (and the Obama administration) have championed charter public schools, which are highly regulated but privately operated schools that receive public funds in exchange for successful performance of publicly-defined tasks.

For example, there hasn't been all the much noticeable difference between neoconservative mercenary outfits fighting the War on Terror (TM) and neoliberal mercenary outfits fighting the de-branded war on terror.  In fact, the de-branding has arguably been the biggest difference between the two.

In other ares, there might be more noticeable differences, but the problem is that these differences simply aren't enough to make the kind of difference that's needed.  Selling out to the coal industry as a whole under the fantasy of "clean coal" rather than specially favoring a few political cronies does not do much more in a big-picture sense than simply sound less corrupt.  It doesn't actually do anything to fight global warming.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Exactly (4.00 / 3)
I fail to see how New Democrat policies differ much from Republican policies. The only real Democrats are progressives at this point. Indeed, I would argue that we should call New Democrats and Blue Dogs Democrats in Name Only or DINOs (maybe do an evil sheep ad!) and progressives as the Real Democrats who support policies that benefit the 99% of Americans who are not wealthy. It confuses a critical political issue to call New Democrats and Blue Dogs anything but Republican or DINO. And it gives free rein to bash the real democrats.

So I say progressives pick a fight and call ourselves Real Democrats and challenge New Democrats and Blue Dogs to prove they are real democrats at the policy level. They'll lose that argument every time. Their policies do not benefit the middle class and working people as much as progressive policies.

And to address Kovie's related point directly above, I don't see New Democrats and Blue Dogs and Republicans as centrist. Their policies benefit the wealthy elites which is typically the concern of the right, not centrists or the left. The latter groups view the interests of the wealthy elites as equal to the rest of the country or as a necessary evil that needs to be controlled.


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"Centrist" = Half Wrong/Half Right -- Half Crazy/Half Sane -- At Best (0.00 / 0)
The main difference between New Dems & the GOP is that New Dems think we should get crumbs, while the GOP thinks that even the promise of crumbs would "send the wrong signal."

Blue Dogs are halfway in between.  On Mon, Wed and Fri, they think we should get crumbs, but on Tu and Th they change their votes because it would send the wrong signal.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
So Obama says costs are skyrocketing and then freezes Social Security payments (0.00 / 0)
Did someone call him on that?

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