The quickest one-sentence difference between Democratic and Republican voters

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Feb 04, 2010 at 14:14


"Self-identified white conservatives versus self-identified non-whites and white liberals" is perhaps the best, one-sentence description of the demographic difference between two major political coalitions in the United States.

Elliptical explanation in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: The quickest one-sentence difference between Democratic and Republican voters
A new Gallup poll shows that Asian-Americans are the racial / ethnic group in the United States that is most likely to self-identify as liberal.  Noting that a large percentage of African-Americans self-identifies as conservative, Matthew Yglesias takes this poll to mean that polling on ideological self-identificaiton (are you liberal, moderate or conservative?) is useless:

I think that what this pretty clearly shows is that ideological self-identification surveys are not very useful. By any objective measure African-Americans are the most left-wing racial group in America. But African-Americans don't seem to like the term "liberal." And even though very few black people have conservative political opinions, 29 percent of them describe themselves as "conservative." I think this proves beyond a doubt that widely touted results about ideological self-identification are producing garbage numbers. Actual people clearly don't understand these terms the same way political reporters understand them. It's just false that more African-Americans are conservative than liberal-that these surveys produce that result doesn't tell us a surprising new fact about black political views, it tells us that the surveys are badly designed.

Yglesias is pretty close here.  Ideological self-identification is not actually a strong indicator of ideological orientation.  For example, according to Pew, 67% of moderate / liberal Republicans believe that when something is run by the government, it is usually wasteful and inefficient, while only 44% of conservative and moderate Democrats think the same thing.  Given that the more conservative identifying group actually has a more positive view of government efficiency than the less conservative self-identified group, this shows that partisan self-identification is a stronger indicator of ideological orientation than even ideological self-identification itself.

Further, given that 77% of conservative Republicans believe government is usually wasteful and inefficient (which means 23% don't believe that), and 39% of liberal Democrats hold that view (which means 61% don't believe that), it also shows that there is a lot of division over ideological principles among self-identified liberals and self-identified conservatives.

Additionally, views of government efficiency also depend on which political party is in charge of the federal government.  For example, the chart above and to the right shows that conservative Republicans had a much more positive view of government during the Bush administration than they did during either the Clinton or Obama administrations.

Ideological self-identification is also not a very strong indication of policy preference.  Political scientist James Stimson has also shown how public support for liberal policies has varied quite dramatically even as ideological self-identification polls remain quite static:


This wide variance in policy support occurred during a 40-year period when ideological self-identification did not change much at all.  If ideological self-identification was actually an indicator of policy preference, then it would have changed along with changing views of public policy.

So, if ideological self-identification is neither a strong indicator of political philosophy or support for specific policies, then what good are ideological self-identification polls?  The answer is that ideological self-identification is the best indicator of partisan preference available. In the 2000, 2004, 2006 and 2008 elections, Democrats averaged 18% of the self-identified conservative vote, and 86% of the self-identified liberal vote.  Republicans scored only 12% of the liberal vote, and 81% of the conservative vote.  Other than being African-American, you will not find any demographic indicator of partisan preference stronger than being conservative or liberal.

As such, ideological self-identification is actually a much stronger indicator of which political party an individual supports than it is of either that individual's policy positions or ideological principles.  Democrats are able to cancel out the Republican advantage in this area by scoring sweeping margins of victory among Americans who do not self-identify as white, no matter how those Americans self-identify ideologically (identity is simply a subset of ideology, anyway).  "Self-identified white conservatives versus self-identified non-whites and white liberals" is actually a pretty good thumbnail description of the two major political coalitions in the United States.  About 80% of the former group votes for Republicans, while about 80% of the latter group votes for Democrats.  If you can find a better one sentence description of the difference between Republican voters and Democratic voters, I would love to hear it.


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"Ideological self-identification is not actually a strong indicator of ideological orientation." (0.00 / 0)
"Ideological self-identification is also not a very strong indication of policy preference."

There it is.

Voters are too ignorant - they do not comprehend or, in any real sense, embrace ideology.

Ideology constrains elites, highly educated, and political players.  Your average voter is, at best, a "nature of the times" voter.

You will see polls, similarly, that show broad public support for the provisions of the stimulus, but low support for the bill itself.

Voters are incredibly ignorant, and it is the dirty secret of politics.

See: Converse, 1964 (or the summary: http://wikisum.com/w/Converse:...

// Sorry for going a bit off-topic, but I found those two sentences too striking to ignore.


Katrina polls added interesting data.. (0.00 / 0)
A key factor behind those calling themselves Independents, and a great insight on how Progressives could reframe policies to appeal more to them, appears to be their stronger sense of self-preservation.
I remember some of the poll data revealed that the more charitable one felt towards the flood victims the farther farther Left they were.  While Republicans weren't sympathetic at all, Independents were more so.
(Couldn't find a link to the original poll.)

It's understandable then to see many Seniors and middle Americans fears of being left behind, and thus supporting Republicans, simply because Democrats appear to be a little too willing to help everyone and anyone.

A quote from a Republican woman rancher who took several victims into her home made a great impression on my political awareness: "I'm always ready to give anyone a hand-up, but not a hand-out.

Nationalism is not the same thing as terrorism, and an adversary is not the same thing as an enemy.


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this raises the question of why one needs a quick one sentence description ;) (4.00 / 3)
or really anything like it.  case in point:

By any objective measure African-Americans are the most left-wing racial group in America.

what is this based on?  What is an 'objective' measure?  does church attendance count? What does 'left-wing racial group' even mean?  how does 'left wing' get understood when comparing economic vs. social policy, attitudes towards migration vs. citizenship?  

that's yglesias and your replacement of ideology with party affiliation is a useful one.  but perhaps we can come up with a better one sentence statement or at least convince ourselves of the reason why we should avoid such things when not necessary.  what would happen if you used class as a lens rather than (or in addition to ;) race?  and what happens if you include gender?  

i would guess that the results of the survey which indicate that asian americans are more liberal than african americans are basically indicating that they are on average wealthier individually and in wealthier commuhnities - though not universally so.  or the gallup point about the regions in which asian americans as a whole are concentrated is relevant.

OR we could start to understand that the United States has generally had a more or less binary racial structure in recent decades - for understanding itself - with Latinos occupying a strange place as an additional category that is presented both as a race category and not.

This, imo, ends up cutting through other groups whether on the basis of which ethnicity they're from (e.g. Filipino vs. Indian) or whether on the basis of class (e.g. working class Indian vs. wealthy Indian) or region, or somethiing else.  at least in the particular areas and with regard to the particular data that i've seen.  and this in turn runs through the experiences of these communities in some cases from before they came to the Untied states (e.g. among Filipinos) in other caess after (e.g. South Asians).  And of course, we could leave the census categories and start looking at more substantive ones like how the groups that were heavily targeted by Bush administration policies (e.g. Arab, Muslim, Pakistani, Bangladeshi) did in some cases a radical shift on party identificatication (and i would argue in how their racial identification will work in the future...nto sure a future ralph nader could be 'white').

on an aside, it's my opinion that white should be capitalised in the context that you used it in.  This is because you're not referring to the color but to the ethnicity.  So just like American or African-American or other terms indicating nationality/ethnicity are frequently capitalised, White, Black, Asian and others should be capitalised to indicate the difference between the use of the term as a race or ethnic category label vs. the use of the term more 'neutrally' describing the physical world.  

finally, and most importantly, keep in mind that you're taking a snapshot of something that changes over time.  if you took this snapshot before 1994, i would guess it would look very different with regard to white working class people in the south and elsewhere. similarly, if one relies excessuively on 'vote bank' politics without policy politics (including on race, gender, etc.), one will get f"£ked because the math won't add up eventually.

and it's all about math.


One quick sentence (4.00 / 2)
Well this little ditty got us to read the Diary.

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Identity politics (0.00 / 0)
is why we are governed so well.

More of the same, please.


Shorter ... (4.00 / 1)
Self-identified white conservatives versus everyone else.

cons (0.00 / 0)
the one thing all the white cons have in common is bigotry, they prove every day that hate is stronger then love, how else can you explain their agenda.

I've Had A Window Open At Stimson's Homepage All Week, Chris (0.00 / 0)
What? You're spying on me now?

I keep meaning to do something with it, but now maybe it's time to close it & come back next month.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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