What's wrong with the third "Third Way"

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 16:00


On Wednesday, Chris wrote a diary, "Great exchange between President Obama and Senator Lincoln", in which he used the example to illustrate the difference between Blue Dogs and New Dems.  Along the way he quoted Ed Kilgore:

To put it simply, and perhaps over-simply, on a variety of fronts (most notably financial restructuring and health care reform, but arguably on climate change as well), the Obama administration has chosen the strategy of deploying regulated and subsidized private sector entities to achieve progressive policy results. This approach was a hallmark of the so-called Clintonian, "New Democrat" movement, and the broader international movement sometimes referred to as "the Third Way," which often defended the use of private means for public ends. (It's also arguably central to the American liberal tradition going back to Woodrow Wilson, and is even evident in parts of the New Deal and Great Society initiatives alongside elements of the "social democratic" tradition, which is characterized by support for publicly operated programs in key areas).

To be clear, this is not the same as the conservative "privatization" strategy, which simply devolves public responsibilities to private entities without much in the way of regulation. In education policy, to cite one example, New Democrats (and the Obama administration) have championed charter public schools, which are highly regulated but privately operated schools that receive public funds in exchange for successful performance of publicly-defined tasks. Conservatives have typically called for private-school vouchers, which simply shift public funds to private schools more or less unconditionally, on the theory that they know best how to educate children.

The First "Third Way"--Social Democracy, Was A GOOD THING.

In a comment, I raised the point that there often wasn't that much difference between conservative privatization and neoliberal "Third Way" privatization--see how little has changed since Bush in our use of mercenaries, for example.  In this diary, I'd like to lay out a framework for understanding what I meant by this and why it must be so.  The framework is that of the three "Third Ways". The first "Third Way" was social democracy, as exemplified by the German Social Democratic Party.  It was a "Third Way" between naked capitalism and revolutionary socialism.  Their main policy for gaining broad public support was universal health care-in the 1870s.  It was a very popular idea-so popular, in fact, that conservative mastermind Otto Van Bismark decided to co-opt the idea, thereby depriving the social democrats of their signature issue, and implementing it in such a way that it furthered elite nationalist goals by giving German manufacturers a healthier, more secure, more productive and more loyal workforce to aid in their international competition with Britain and other industrial powers.

In my opinion the first "Third Way" was a good thing.  The revolutionary socialists basically had the economics right, compared to the laissez-faire capitalists.  It wasn't anything that indiividual capitalists did that was responsible for the enormous increase in wealth brought about by Industrial Revolution--they were simply positioned to capture a vastly disproportionate share of the proceeds--even as the working class, transformed from rural peasants into an urben proletariat, suffered a tremendous mass immiseration in the process. But the revolutionary socialists had most everything else wrong--especially the complete rejection of democracy, except for purely tactical purpose.  By combining a socialist economic view with a democratic political view, this was a "Third Way" you could believe in.  The others, not so much.  

Paul Rosenberg :: What's wrong with the third "Third Way"
The Second "Third Way"--The 19th-Century Liberal Welfare State--Not So Good
The conservative welfare state (as Gosta Epsing would identify it more than a century later in The Three Worlds of Welfare Capitalism) was designed to empower elites and the state apparatus that they controlled in virtually all of the Continental European countries where this version took hold, rather than empowering the people, as the Social Democrats intended.  But it was still a rather robust-and non-market-affair.   This then gave rise to the second "Third Way", a more scaled-down form of the welfare state that was primarily concerned to just clean up the mess that the market caused and couldn't handle itself.  It therefore favored narrowly-targeted approaches that had as little systematic impact on the market economy as possible. This approach developed almost exclusively in the English-speaking world-Britain, Canada, the US, Australia and New Zealand.  It reflected British history and the  priorities of a commercially-based newer elite--opposed to the traditional landed aristocracy--that was far more autonomous and internally cohesive than its counterparts on the Continent.  It was strong enough to lead the way on foreign policy in building up the British Navy as the foundation for its eventual imperial wealth, but it never enjoyed the kind of across-the-board political dominance of the state that made Continental conservatives see the state as a natural expression of their power.  Consequently, the commercial liberal elites (more akin to today's neoliberals) only wanted the state to take up the slack.  They didn't want it becoming a major center of economic and political power, which they could not reliably control. So they devised a strategy mix of small niche programs the market failed totally, and tried to steer clear of larger problems, pretending that the market would magically solve them sooner or later.  The niche programs were sometimes public, sometimes private, sometimes non-profit, or some sort of amalgam.

Unfortunately, this really wasn't a very effective way to do things in the long run.  It was good enough so long as there were robust growth rates, and those who didn't get taken care could be called "losers" on the one hand, and promised that they, too, would get rich quick any moment now.  But when things slowed down, and the market no longer seemed such an obvious lens through which to view all the rest of the world, there was a tendency for people to become acutely aware of its shortcomings.   Even then, however, the English-speaking countries didn't tend to change the overall logic of their welfare states.  They merely added and expanded programs-most notably universal health care, except, of course in the US, where it was only provided for those over 65.   (It generally took social democrats to do this, but at least the second "Third Way" learned to live with it.) The US was the most extreme example of this second "Third Way," with private pension benefits accounting for a substantial portion of its overall social insurance, a situation that proved to be highly precarious as union power was deliberately undermined, beginning with the election of Ronald Reagan.  

The Third "Third Way"--An Ideological Attack on Second "Third Way" Compromises With Reality

Still, fragmentary and mongrelized (between public and private, as well as between means-tested and universal programs) as it may have been, the American welfare state was the only welfare state most Americans had any knowledge or experience of.  And that was one welfare state too many for the free market ideological zealots who wanted nothing more than its utter destruction, whatever the consequences for the American people.   And so the rightwing sociopathic project of destroying the welfare state was unleashed.  While the second Third Way's liberal welfare state was a mongrelized affair born out of necessity (see Michael Katz's The Price of Citizenship: Redefining the American Welfare State for excellent accounts of how different social programs first emerged), political necessity played a secondary role to economic necessity.  Figure and ground reversed themselves with the coming of the third "Third Way".  Its proponents were a mixed lot, but animosity toward the left was widespread among them, as was a default condition acceptance of much of the market fundamentalist worldview.  They recognized that free-market ideology was economically impracticable at best, disastrous at worst.  But they weren't about to defend the existing welfare state, just because it had some obvious, time-tested advantages.  Instead, they wanted to replace it with a purer version of the original liberal welfare state-less government, more private entities, fewer broad universal programs, more niche programs, less taxes, more fees, less society, more marketplace.   The fact that these ideas had proven inadequate the first time around fazed them not in the least.

While the third "Third Way" loved to portray itself as a "pragmatic" compromise between free-market fundamentalism and the welfare state, the reality was that America's welfare state was already precisely such a compromise, guided by the very same market-friendly orientation that also guided the third "Third Way." However, it had also been guided by economic and political realities that had once threatened to virtually destroy the entire capitalist order--realities that had receded into ancient memory, and that the resurgent right wing of the 1980s was determined to roll right over or ignore.

The new market fundamentalists were far more strategically duplicitous than their fore-bearers. Earlier market fundamentalists had not been able to use market rhetoric so sweepingly while at the same time basing virtually all their success on violating those same principles. A central example of this was Reagan's supposedly anti-Keyensian "supply side" tax cuts combining with a massive military Keyensian buildup that produced a modest, but hype-able economic recovery while drowning the government in red ink, a result that then lead to calls to further get rid of "wasteful government spending."

The third "Third Way" basically accepted the absurd premises that hypocritical pseudo-market fundamentalism had thus established.  Their task was not to rebuild what had been destroyed, but to build a "new synthesis" blending the destructive insanity of the  pseudo-market fundamentalists with whatever clever little small bore ideas they could come up with.  Whether these ideas actually worked or not was entirely beside the point.  (A vastly under-sized stimulus, a bank bailout that does virtually nothing for America's real economy, an education reform agenda with no actual educational content, etc., etc., etc.) They learned this lesson from the conservative pseudo-market fundamentalists.  What mattered was the ability to sell whatever idea they came up with-and their competitors in the marketplace were not the conservatives, but the traditional Democratic Party mass constituencies and their more recent counterparts, all of whom could be dismissed as the archaic, backward-looking left-the folks that Blanche Lincoln just seethed with anger to do battle with, but whom Barack Obama was determined to smoothly co-opt, instead.

In short, even before this latest "Third Way," we've already had one "Third Way" too many for our own good. The original Third Way-best realized in the Scandinavian countries that score very high on a broad range of international comparisons-struck a very good practical balance.  What's more, there was nothing archaic or old-fashioned about it.  To the contrary, the Scandinavians have been able to lead the world in dealing with new problems and recognizing new social obligations to make their citizens lives better, and to improve the condition of the planet as a whole.  Even the Continental European conservative welfare state counterpart to the Scandinavian social democratic welfare state has done quite well in the same regard.

The Third "Third Way" Charade of 'Pragrmatism'--And Branding Their Critics As Ideologues

Going back to Kilgore's piece, recall that he said:

[T]he Obama administration has chosen the strategy of deploying regulated and subsidized private sector entities to achieve progressive policy results. This approach was a hallmark of the so-called Clintonian, "New Democrat" movement, and the broader international movement sometimes referred to as "the Third Way," which often defended the use of private means for public ends.

This is how the "Third Way" likes to see itself.  But for the most part, today's social democrats are not opposed to this sort of approach--when, where, and if it can work.  Which is to say that most of today's social democrats are much more the pragmatists than the "Third Way" neoliberals who love to deceptively market themselves as such.   It's just that social democrats want policies that actually work for everyone--not just for those on top, and not just for the politicians themselves, looking for something they can tout as a win, regardless of what it actually does.

For example, the problem with regulating private health insurance, rather taking a single-payer approach is not actually one of ideology.  If we had a truly well-regulated insurance industry-akin to the public utilities that used to bring us electricity in the long-lost pre-Enron past, for example-then it's altogether possible that such an industry could come close to equaling the performance of a single-payer system.  But, of course, (a) we don't have such an industry, and (b) even if we did, the current trend is for once well-regulated industries to turn themselves into the wild west, which is why it's a matter of pure practicality--not ideology--to support a single-payer system.

What's more, this pragmatism was the spirit in which the public option was originally conceived by Jacob Hacker, as a way to ease the transition into a single-payer system without forcing people to abandon their private insurance, so long as they were happy with it.  This is precisely the sort of flexibility and choice in the short run that "Third Way" neoliberals claim to just love, while also gaining the enormous cost savings of a single-payer system in the long run--thus providing the long-term efficiency that "Third Way" neoliberals also claim to love.  In short, Hacker's original concept of the public option was a work of sheer political genius, providing a unifying policy framework that both "Third Way" neoliberals and social democrats could both support.  There was just one catch:  Hacker's concept was only a work of political genius if the "Third Way" neoliberals actually believed in what they claimed to.  Now, it's beyond a doubt that some of them really do.  But it's also beyond a doubt that "Third Way" neoliberals--Obama chief among them--were responsible for gutting the essential genius of Hacker's concept, and doing so with the casual carelessness of a sociopath.  That's because their anti-leftism and anti-populism was more important to them than anything else.

Conclusion, Looking Forward--America's New Conservative Welfare State

What all the above tells us is that at its core the third "Third Way" is conceptually and politically much closer to the conservatives it purportedly opposes than it is to the social democrats who are supposedly its allies.  This isn't necessarily true of the third "Third Way" base, such as it is, but if Obama's first year tells nothing else, it is certainly true of the third "Third Way" leadership.  What Blue Dogs, New Democrats and conservative Republicans all have in common is a shared hostility toward the welfare state that social democrats broadly support--as do a substantial majority of the American people.  This creates a political difficulty for the enemies of social democracy: how to leverage an unpopular minority position into law, when doing so also entrails causing a great deal of economic pain.

The conservatives came up with an answer to this some time ago--the strategy they called "starving the beast."  Take away the funding, they reasoned, and the welfare state will have to shrivel and die.  Easier said than done, however, which is why a fall-back strategy emerged: If you can't dismantle the welfare state, you can re-purpose it, much the same way Bismark did: redesign it so that it serves primarily to strengthen conservative institutions, individuals and power-centers, and to achieve conservative political goals. In a future diary (this weekend, if I'm lucky, next weekend if not), I will discuss how conservative Republicans, Blue Dogs and New Democrats have all come to support the new conservative welfare state, wittingly or otherwise, by different, but convering  pathways.


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Yeah, but it won't work, will it? Isn't that a problem for somebody or other? (4.00 / 4)
A very lucid presentation of the history of our present dilemma, Paul. The problem is that what our best and brightest have come to at the end of that history is defeat masquerading as victory. The elites, economic or political, Republican or Blue Dog or not-so-new New Democrats, are too busy congratulating themselves over their seemingly permanent gelding of the Left to notice that what they've built themselves in the process is a house of cards. It may be politically unassailable -- at least for the moment -- but there are other forces at work which aren't so easily cowed.

They really do remind me of all those septuagenarian porkers who used to stand atop Lenin's tomb to review the May Day parades. No one dares say them nay -- that's absolutely all they care about.

O tempora, O mores. It makes me crazy to see yet another smart, slick fucker like Obama sticking in his thumb and pulling out a plum, and expecting us all to faint with admiration.


Take Heart! (4.00 / 2)
Tomorrow's Superbowl Sunday, wherein two highly subsidized organizations compete with one another to see who's king of the monopoly sports pyramid this year.

Is this a great country, or what?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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That's right! Who ya got? : ) (4.00 / 1)
On a much more sane note, Dave Zirin does an excellent job breaking down what bullshit it is to call anti-choicer Tim Tebow "courageous". A must-read (don't worry, it's not long), even for non-sports fans:

http://www.thenation.com/blogs...


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I like...some of this (0.00 / 0)
I'm not entirely opposed to using private firms to reach public goals when it can be done, and I really like regulation and it must be enforced emphatically.

However, not every public problem or goal can be addressed this way the government simply has to do certain things for its constituency. I think Rosenberg would acknowledge this too.

I dream of there one day being a New New Deal. I suppose we'll need a major disaster of the kind that Naomi Klein talks about, like The Great Depression to implement a New New Deal. Don't think that conservatives aren't looking at disaster scenarios to further their agenda as well.  

Every revolution was first a thought in one man's or woman's mind.....Emerson


I'm Guesing You Must Have Missed This Part: (4.00 / 1)
Going back to Kilgore's piece, recall that he said:

[T]he Obama administration has chosen the strategy of deploying regulated and subsidized private sector entities to achieve progressive policy results. This approach was a hallmark of the so-called Clintonian, "New Democrat" movement, and the broader international movement sometimes referred to as "the Third Way," which often defended the use of private means for public ends.

This is how the "Third Way" likes to see itself.  But for the most part, today's social democrats are not opposed to this sort of approach--when, where, and if it can work.  Which is to say that most of today's social democrats are much more the pragmatists than the "Third Way" neoliberals who love to deceptively market themselves as such.



"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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sometimes "can work" is not enough (4.00 / 1)
i had a similar thought to wfpman and it was to the very part you just quoted.

i think in large degree you're right in what you say there.

but there are some things that need to be done by government even if a public/private mishmosh could work. maybe this is just about what we mean by "work".

i can't express it very clearly, but there are some services and activities that are central to what government is - that are about how we organize ourselves as a bunch of people, as a society - and that should not be provided by an agent whose first purpose is profit, no matter how strictly regulated, no matter how efficient.

i don't think i am disagreeing with anything that you've said so much as adding a caveat...

not everything worth doing is profitable. not everything profitable is worth doing.


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Fine (4.00 / 1)
I don't disagree.  But I don't think this sentiment is particularly ideological, as the term is normally understood.  Up until Dick Cheney cooked up a cover story for putting Halliburton on the public teat, I don't think conservatives were any more keen on contracting out DoD work than liberals or moderates.

Also, I don't doubt that liberals are generally more opposed to contracting--not on ideological grounds as a matter of principle, but because they're simply a lot more likely to be aware of hidden costs & problems.  For all the conservative talk about "personal responsibility" and "accountability" and whatnot, it tends to be liberals who are more concerned about these things when public work is turned over to contractors.

The point is, this isn't something immune to reason, as accusers who invoke "ideology" are trying to claim.  There are very good, very practical reasons to want to keep certain functions public, and to be highly critical of cookie-cutter claims about the joys of privatization.  One doesn't have to have dogmatic beliefs to notice significant downsides that are regularly ignored or dismissed.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I have to agree with tartere and wfpman (?) (0.00 / 0)
when tartere says this:

but there are some things that need to be done by government even if a public/private mishmosh could work. maybe this is just about what we mean by "work".

i can't express it very clearly, but there are some services and activities that are central to what government is - that are about how we organize ourselves as a bunch of people, as a society - and that should not be provided by an agent whose first purpose is profit, no matter how strictly regulated, no matter how efficient.

I have a New Dem friend who always touts how his New Dem ways "work", but simply "working" isn't the point - it's working for whom.

Separately but in a related way, having an ideology means that some things are or aren't worth having, no matter how well they might "work".  If our economy boomed from having slavery or child labor, would those things suddenly be okay?

Or, in a more relevant example, I find cap-and-trade morally repugnant, even though there's evidence that it's "worked", because ideologically, the premise of the ideology is that it's still okay for polluters to pollute, as long as they have an economic incentive to stop polluting.

Okay... can we have a "murder market" then, where serial killers can buy credits that allow them to kill people, but if they agree to kill less people they can sell their murder credits and make money?

"What works", and "pragmatism" aren't everything, or even important.  If they were we should all just turn our society over to be run by number-crunching machines.  Principles matter, and I'm sick of liberals always having to shuck theirs aside and pretend like they don't matter because we're supposed to be "practical".


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Ahem! Let Me Clafiry... (4.00 / 1)
(1) I'm not in the least anti-ideological.  But I am anti the Versailles-approved rhetoric that says, "You have an ideology, I have ideas"--and thus preempts any actual discussion of alternative ideas.

(2) At the most basic level, everyone has an ideology--though for many it's quite muddled and inconsistent.  At its most fundamental, an ideology is an ontology--a way of cutting up the world into its basic components, its main categories of things, that preceds any sort of thinking about how they relate to one another, fit together, or impact one another.

(3) The most basic problem with ideology in general--applicable to all of them--is rigidity in clinging to the ideology, using it more like a grid map, that everything is forced to conform to, rather than a guidance system, that can adjust to unexpected features of a landscape.

(4) While ideological rigidity can be found everywhere, the greatest counter-tendencies are to be found on the democratic left.  But ideas that emerge from this sector--such as the basic concept of universal social, economic and environmental rights--are not necessarily in themselves ideological, as they can, have been, and are today assimilated into a wide range of other ideological worldviews.  By this process, the liberals, moderates and conservatives of today are markedly different than those of 50 years ago.  And that is a testament to ultimate trans-ideological pragmatism of those democratic left ideas.

(5) The preamble of US Constitution says that it is established to promote the general welfare--not that of a privileged few, nor that of individuals separately.  That defines the default meaning of "pragmatism" in American politics--what is pragmatic is what works to promote the general welfare.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Agree with you on all counts (0.00 / 0)
For (5), though, what "general welfare" means differs from group to group, and even between New Democrats and Real Liberals.

Going back to the pollution market example, New Dems will say that it "works" to lower pollution overall, even if I find the means it uses to do so detestable.  To an outsider, I may look like the rigid ideologue who ignores results, even if I have my own direct-government proposal that matches or slightly underperforms the New Dems' in efficacy without selling our souls to the corporate devil.


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This "Third Way" sounds a lot like crony capitalism. (0.00 / 0)
Wasn't Boss Tweed building a courthouse to achieve a public good?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...

I'm sure he'd have been the first to say so, but his motivation wasn't a place of justice.  His motivation was greed, and his methods corrupt.

Neither legalizing such behavior with de facto immunity nor legitimizing it by suggesting it is merely some sort of ideology changes the bottom line:  profit.  Nor does it change the methods likely to be employed.

The Third Way is K Street.


This "Third Way" sounds a lot like crony capitalism. (4.00 / 1)
Wasn't Boss Tweed building a courthouse to achieve a public good?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...

I'm sure he'd have been the first to say so, but his motivation wasn't a place of justice.  His motivation was greed, and his methods corrupt.

Neither legalizing such behavior with de facto immunity nor legitimizing it by suggesting it is merely some sort of ideology changes the bottom line:  profit.  Nor does it change the methods likely to be employed.

The Third Way is K Street.


aargh. (0.00 / 0)
I keep double posting.  It only happens to me here, and here, it only happens to me.  Sorry.

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No, It Happens To All Sorts Of Folks (4.00 / 2)
I hope it will happen less when our site upgrade gets done.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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support for the welfare state (0.00 / 0)
[...] a shared hostility toward the welfare state that social democrats broadly support--as do a substantial majority of the American people.

first, i read that as saying that a majority of the American people support the welfare state - that's correct, i hope?

assuming it is, i'm wondering how much that's true, or how you meant it. i believe there's broad support for Social Security and Medicare. but people will say that they are opposed to "welfare" - whatever that means to them. (in my family, "welfare" means money for Those People...) that gap, between my well-deserved reward for a lifetime of working hard uphill both ways in the snow, and your undeserved welfare, has been useful for the people who are trying to dismantle what half-assed measures we've managed to put in place, i think.

not everything worth doing is profitable. not everything profitable is worth doing.


Not exactly (4.00 / 1)
People support increased spending to help the poor, but they do not like "welfare," meaning TANF / AFDC / GA, etc.  Nor do people mind that those undeserving people get Social Security or Medicare.  

It is certainly true that views of who receives welfare influence how people view those welfare (especially racial views), but it is also true that people believe that welfare discourages hard work and sacrifice, and programs differently designed could have more support.

It is the combination of a view about the nature of the program and of the recipients that lead people to oppose welfare.  

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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The poblem is in calling it "welfare". It's insurance payments, stupids! (4.00 / 1)
To receive "welfare" comes with a social stigma. But unemployed don't receive welfare, they simply receive benefits from unemployment insurance which was part of their salaries! I didn't know how this is organized in the US (in Germany, it's like social security, it an insurance tax on you see that on your payslip), so I looked this up. And it's insurance alright:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...

But there are many problems with the way the US handle this. Firstly, it doesn't seem to be clear that those insurance payments are actually part of the salaries (pls correct me if I misunderstand something about this). The employer pays them, not the employee! A single administrative change, costing vitually nothing, could change the way this is handled, and make it mandatory for the insurance payments to show up on the payslips. People would start noticing this is insurance, that actually they pay for it with their labor, and that, of course, this gives them rights, too. If the become unemployed, they will reeceive insurance payments, not welfare! Nothing to be ashamed of. And nothing others should point fingers at. It's the same as with social security, it's something they EARNED!

Then, the insurracne premiums seem to be totally inadequate for covering the rising costs of eunemployment. A maximum of $56, do I understand that correctly? That's stupid. People who have a higher income, like managers and bankers, should pay more than that! Simply drop the artificial upper limit at $7000, and make everybody pay the same percentage, period (you may offset the impact on the poor and middle class by other tax reductions).

And then, the way this is handled now is a bureaucratic monster. Both Fed and state rules apply, moneys are transferred back and forth, the calculation is unnecessarily complicated, and worst of all, companies who are struglling, who had to reduce their workforce, are punished with higher premiums! Idiotic. The main idea behind this, to implement an incentive NOT to fire workers sure had g0ood intentiions, but the actual impact is too low to achieve that, while at the same time still high enough to be a problem for companies who are fighting to keep afloat. And the bureaucratic efforts of calculating all those diffeent premiums is too high, and makes no economical sense.

All in all, it seems to me that uemployment insurance in the US is an issue that urgently needs an overhaul, and that this could help to change the public impression of unemployment benefits. It's not welfare, it's insurance payments! And this could be a popular reform, if Dems would be willing to adjust that program to the needs of the 21st century.


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I've Written Quite A Lot About This Over The Years (4.00 / 5)
"Welfare" has been heavily demonized. So much so that support for helping poor people is much stronger than support for welfare, even though operationally these are one and the same thing.

Funny thing, though.  Back in the late 80s, the General Social Survey did a special module devoted to welfare spending, using different stylized scenarios about sorts of recipients.  When all was said and done, 98% of the respondents thought that recipients should get more money than the current law then allowed.  The mean level of support that people thought was right was more than twice the amount of current law (which varied by state, btw).  Thus, welfare is only highly unpopular in the abstract, not when you get down to brass tacks.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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And you can pretty much say the exact same thing (4.00 / 1)
for most social issues -
Thus, welfare is only highly unpopular in the abstract, not when you get down to brass tacks.

Take away the "conservative" or "liberal" self-identifying labels and poll people about specific issues, the results come up way more liberal than how our politicians operate and what we get force fed to us in the corporate media. File under: "Center-Right Country My Ass".


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Forebears (0.00 / 0)
not fore-bearers.  That's all, but thanks for the illuminating essay.

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