Senate reaches apparent deal on jobs bill

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Feb 09, 2010 at 13:56


Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has apparently orchestrated a deal on a jobs bill with Senate Republicans.  The bill will be introduced later today:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) will introduce a jobs bill on Tuesday that he said would have Republican support.

Reid told reporters the bill would be introduced on Tuesday, and that it would include an extension of the tax breaks, known as tax extenders, that expired last year.

"As of last night, there will be Republican support for this bill," Reid told reporters.

The apparent deal not only includes extensions on tax breaks, but also will allow a vote on the extension of the estate tax repeal.  From a different article in The Hill, published two hours earlier than the one on the apparent deal:

Senate leaders are working on an estate tax deal to make it easier to move a bipartisan jobs bill.

The deal discussed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) involves moving an estate tax bill through the Senate that would prevent a huge hike in the tax from taking effect in 2011, staffers and lobbyists say.

It is unclear if the vote on the estate tax that has been promised to Republicans would require 60 or 51 votes in order to pass.  Extending the repeal of the estate tax would certainly be a steep price to pay for a smallish jobs bill, so I will see if I can find out.

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how bad will it be? (4.00 / 1)
because if it is reid's deal, you know it will be bad

I'm an Estate Planning Lawyer. . . (4.00 / 1)
It's completely ELIMINATING the tax that we have to watch out for!

That's the right-wing strategy: Let the tax expire and then capitalize on middle-class anger about having to deal with hiring a lawyer to set up their wills to avoid it (easily done but they have to pay lawyer's fees) -- and take a hard line and only agree to total repeal!

I can tell you that aside from people like ME (who will get attorney fees from middle class people to deal with the Estate Tax if it goes back to the $1 million exemption (for each spouse) in 2011 when the Bush tax cuts expire), nobody in America will benefit. They really need this attended to. The PROBLEM is that Republicans are dead set on total repeal. That's why logical compromises like: "we'll raise the exemption to $5 million" won't get one Republican vote. That would eliminate everybody but the top .5% from the tax, but that's not enough because it wouldn't help the Super-rich!

Hopefully there's NOT going to be a permanent repeal. That would be insane and cost TRILLIONS over the next few decades and it would only benefit the Walton family and a few others. Calling it the "Paris Hilton tax" doesn't even do it justice. Paris Hilton doesn't even have enough money to REALLY benefit! It's BILLIONAIRES who are pushing repeal.

We have to watch against "bi-partisan" attempts to get something in exchange for "tax reform" meaning eliminating the estate tax. IT would be a HORRIBLE move that would blow a huge hole in the deficit that could only be paid for with things like Social Security and Medicare cuts.

Pushing the permanent estate tax exemption up to $3.5 million (which is where it was in 2009) is fine. There aren't all that many estates between about $2.5 million and $3.5 million that would be affected. (I don't like it because it would mean fewer clients for me, but it makes sense from a policy standpoint).  


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It's all about fucking blackmail, let;s quit fooling ourselves. (4.00 / 4)
We are not going to get anything through Congress that looks left wing or liberal without paying off the Republicans, who in turn will pay off their constituents, the wealthy. But let's put the blame where it deserves to be: the Democrats. As with prior administrations, the Democrats are just not teaching the public about the realities of one party government.

Roe versus Wade: we shall overturn it. Keep voting Republican. Where's Bush? The Republicans are all about Jesus. Jesus, are we dumb.


As always, all carrots, not sticks (0.00 / 0)
when it comes to trying to get Repubs on board. I have nothing against necessary, minor and occasionally even sensible giveaways to Repubs. It's these unnecessary, major and senseless giveaways, combined with the lack of any meaningful political pressure, for relatively little in return, that pisses me off. Repubs need only whisper "boo" and Dems come running with a long list of things they're willing to concede. They simply do not know how to, or do not want to, fight. And they wonder why no one likes or respects them.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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Hilarious. (4.00 / 3)
GOP complains endlessly about deficit yet keeps demanding things to help it explode. GOP has no business whatsoever talking about fiscal discipline.

don't worry. the dems will call them on it. (4.00 / 1)
any minute now...

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Good thing that Obama's out there constantly (0.00 / 0)
making the connexion between taxes on the rich and the deficit!

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The Republicans demand ideological purity... (4.00 / 3)
...the Democrats supply it. Everyone who counts is happy. The rest of us are sharpening our pitchforks. No matter what the wonks think, this won't end well. When it does end, though, even they won't be able to run fast enough.

The Rootsgap Strike Again (4.00 / 3)
There was talk in the blogosphere and among Democratic organized interests about the importance of a job bill months ago. And so what happens? The Democratic leadership has quietly negotiated with itself and with their supposed opponents to decide what to do, with no involvement from the rest of us, no effort made to explain why this step is the way to respond, no effort to mobilize people to support this bill.  Whether this is due to incompetence or treachery, it is unacceptable.

It's hard to understand how, after this, the groups that were pushing the jobs bill cannot see how bad this strategy of playing this game is. (Then again, I've said that before.) Labor and the rest need to work to build outside pressure by organizing at the grassroots level.

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


You Have Forgotten.... (0.00 / 0)
Reid needed the approval of Co-Presidents Lieberman and Snowe.  No one from the netroots is president.  So, move along, please.

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But, but... (4.00 / 3)
I thought Republicans really cared about the deficit!  I'm confused.

R vs D Negotiations (4.00 / 1)
The Republicans start with their wet dream demands, then will inch to the center to make a deal, always bartering with Dems and careful not to make their base too angry.  If it inches too far left or the base revolts, they walk away from the whole thing and blame Dems.

Dems start in the center after pre-conferring with Republican demands and then inch it leftward to appease their base.  The left base always starts out furious and then as it inches over they are appeased just enough to avoid revolt.  If it inches too far left the Repubs will walk away and blame the Dems.  Half the Dems will blame the Repubs, half will fall on each other and the base.

This game is rigged from the start by design.  Reid is screwing us just as he always does, the man is toxic and spineless.  There is no way in hell starting form this horrible negotiating position that we'll get anything out of it.  Once Joe Lieberman gets his hooks into the bill, we'll be lucky if 80% of Bush's tax cuts aren't made permanent just to get a terrible jobs bill.

What would happen if Harry Reid put together a massive and strong jobs bill, filled with everything we could ever want and then dared Republicans to filibuster against it?  Sure, we wouldn't end up with that bill, but I'd bet a dime to a dollar we'd get a hell of a lot more in the end and no tax cuts needed.

Harry Reid needs to go, end of story.  He is less than useless.


We will never know (4.00 / 1)
What would happen if Harry Reid put together a massive and strong jobs bill, filled with everything we could ever want and then dared Republicans to filibuster against it?

Because no one with such an agenda will be allowed anywhere near a leadership role in the US Senate.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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gutless (0.00 / 0)
the dems keep caving in to the gop thugs now giving another tax break that will increase the deficit, gop and gop light are the parties america is stuck with like it or not.

A Sure Way To Ensure Passage: (4.00 / 2)
Obame resign in favor of Palin.

Sure it's unconstitution.  But it's just what the Founders would have wanted!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


so is this the same as the House estate tax "fix" (0.00 / 0)
where I use the words "fix" for lack of something better,

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

I Owe Ralph Nader An Apology (0.00 / 0)

In all seriousness - it probably won't mean anything to him.  I mean after all - wtf?  He doesn't know me.  I'm not even a sucky left wing blogger.

I'm just a sucky left wing blog commenter.

But I hated Nader for running again in 2004.  I understood where he was coming from in 2000 but after Iraq, Afghanistan & everything that went wrong in the Bush presidency I couldn't believe he would argue that there is no difference between the two parties.

I still believe that there are critical differences between the two parties but I'm starting to see and sympathize with people who have just lost it and are ready to abandon the 2 party system altogether.

We do nothing but compromise and enable right wing ideas.  It's just pathetic.

-Walter

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I have no comment sig


Politically stupid move IMO (0.00 / 0)
Sure, they'll be able to tout the jobs-creation aspect of this bill for PR's sake (as well as its "tax cutting" aspects for those non-rich morons who believe that the estate tax affects them). But one, it will likely not have enough meaningful impact on unemployment soon enough to help Dems politically in November, so it won't be that politically helpful. Two, it's fiscally irresponsible, because it eliminates one of the best ways to pay for such a bill, namely progressive taxation, which raises a lot of money AND has minimal economic impact. And three, you'd better believe that its spending side will be used against Dems to prove that they're blowing up the deficit. So it'll have minimal positive, and lots of negative, political impact, while at the same time being fiscally irresponsible. Sure, it might actually create jobs...just as Repubs retake the house or senate (or come damn close to it).

They. Just. Don't. Get. It.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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