Conservative condescension: Projection and conservative victomology on parade--Part 3

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Feb 13, 2010 at 18:00


In Part I, I dealt with the introduction and transition of  Gerard Alexander's WaPo commissioned editorial, "Why are liberals so condescending".  In Part 2, I dealt with the the first of the four liberal narratives Alexander cites as manifestations of so-called "liberal condescension."  This diary deals with the second such narrative.


If Alexander's first narrative is a transparent bunch of hooey, the same cannot be said about his second one.  There is some truth in claim that liberals look down at people repeatedly voting against their economic interests, for cultural causes that are repeatedly ignored or outright betrayed between elections.  But this is an isolated observation, and the question is one of context, which raises a host of subsidiary questions:  Are liberals who do this more or less condescending than the cynical conservative manipulators who run these games?  Is there anything particularly liberal about this?  Or is it simply a matter of elite attitudes towards the masses?  Or--as Jack Balkin's analysis "Populism and Progressivism as Constitutional Categories" suggests, of people who identify with progressivism towards those who identify with populism?  And what about those on the left who reject the 'stupid voter' narrative one way or another?  Such as George Lakoff, Drew Wesson, Larry Bartells ("What's the Matter with What's the Matter with Kansas?"), or me, for that matter?  And, finally, what about all those liberals who are themselves members of the working class who haven't been fooled at all, but sure are pissed at Democratic elites for doing such a lousy job on their behalf the last three decades or so?  The welter of questions like these points to where a genuinely honest debate about elitism and condescension, left and right, might take us.  But it's not at all a direction in which Alexander has any interest.

Indeed, Alexander regards his interpretation of this narrative as so self-evidently true, without any possible alternatives, that he lays it out in a single sentence, then points quickly to three examples in support, before (condescendingly, one might think) telling us what it all means. First:

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But, if conservative leaders are crass manipulators, then the rank-and-file Americans who support them must be manipulated at best, or stupid at worst.

This may seem self-evident to Alexander, but that hardly makes it so.  First off, voters are always being manipulated, and most of them know it--usually all too well.  The real question is what kind of manipulation, and the argument from the first narrative is that conservative hegemonic warfare involves a much more sweeping, systematic, and disingenuous form of manipulation than what most politics involves.  Second, the charge of stupidity is entirely off the mark.  Most Americans don't pay much attention to national politics for very defensible, very rational reasons: they focus their attention on things that (a) matter immediately to them, (b) that they feel they can do something about.  Reasons why voters and non-voters are not more involved have everything to do with America's political institutions.  What looks like stupid behavior on the individual level is far more often a rational response to institutions that discourage--if not punish--intelligent participation.  One example of this is the fact that America--unlike other industrial democracies--has a pronounced class bias in its electorate.  Poorer Americans vote far less than more affluent Americans--and, they quite rationally are more convinced that politicians don't really represent them, a very rational reason not to bother voting.

Alexander continues:

This is the second variety of liberal condescension, exemplified in Thomas Frank's best-selling 2004 book, "What's the Matter With Kansas?" Frank argued that working-class voters were so distracted by issues such as abortion that they were induced into voting against their own economic interests.

While Frank did make this argument, his point was not to rail against stupid, working-class voters, but to attack the Democratic political establishment that had virtually abandoned them on core economic issues.  (Frank himself came from a working-class Kansas background.) Thus, while Alexander may have gotten the mechanics of part of Frank's argument right, he totally misrepresented its import for Frank's larger argument. Why?  Because Frank's larger argument goes directly against the point that Alexander is trying to make.  

Alexander's next example takes him even further off the mark:

Then-Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, later chairman of the Democratic National Committee, echoed that theme in his 2004 presidential run, when he said Republicans had succeeded in getting Southern whites to focus on "guns, God and gays" instead of economic redistribution.

This is Alexander (following many others) at the peak of taking a soundbite out of context. Dean--like Frank--was actually making the opposite argument: not that something was necessarily wrong with Southern whites, but rather with how Democrats had failed to reach out to them.  This was immediately evident from the less Washington-spun, more reality-based local reporting at the time.  I give you the St. Petersberg Times, Nov 5, 2003, which records his remarks in their full context, where it should be clear that he's reaching out to the very people Alexander would have you think that he's pandering to:

Dean brings his straight-talking style to Florida
Now that Sen. Bob Graham is out of the presidential race, the ex-Vermont governor begins his Florida courtship.

By ADAM C. SMITH

With the 2004 election a year away, Dean showed Floridians in Jacksonville and Tallahassee the confident and blunt style that has won over so many Democratic activists in early primary states.

He also assured the crowd that he sees Bob Graham, who announced Monday he would not seek a fourth U.S. Senate term, as a strong contender to be his vice presidential pick.

"I told Bob Graham the day he made his decision to drop out (of the presidential race) that he was on the short list, and he is on the short list. He is one of the finest public servants in this country's history," Dean said.

Later, Dean told reporters that of the nine other Democratic contenders, he felt closest to Graham, who, like Dean, opposed the war in Iraq and has gubernatorial experience.

"He certainly is going to be very likely to have a place in a Dean administration if he wants one," Dean said.

The Tallahassee Tiger Bay crowd was largely made up of southern Democrats typically not inclined to embrace a blue-blood Yankee often painted as an antiwar liberal. Dean, though, surprised a lot of people.

"I am leaning to (retired Gen. Wesley) Clark, but I think I have to think again when I hear this fellow," said Dexter Douglass, former general counsel to [former Florida governor] Lawton Chiles. "It's very difficult for a New Englander to win, but this guy's got the potential to win."

Dean is leading his opponents in fundraising, is virtually tied for first place in the Jan. 19 Iowa caucuses in recent polls and is handily leading the field for the Jan. 27 New Hampshire primary.

His opponents have been hammering him lately for saying he wants to be the candidate "for guys with Confederate flags on their pickup trucks."

Asked about that reference to a racially polarizing symbol, Dean noted he has long been saying Democrats can win over working class Southerners concerned about access to health care.

"We have got to stop having our elections in the South based on race, guns, God and gays and start having them on jobs and health insurance and a foreign policy that's consistent with American values," he said.

Dean's message here would later be borne out by his actions in implementing the 50-state strategy, empowering all state parties, but especially ones that had previously been neglected, such as most of those in the South.  Talk about condescension, huh?

OTOH, subsequent events--bailing out Wall Street while bailing on Main Street--make Alexander's characterization of Obama seem more on the money than it seemed at the time:

And speaking to a roomful of Democratic donors in 2008, then-presidential candidate Obama offered a similar (and infamous) analysis when he suggested that residents of Rust Belt towns "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations" about job losses. When his comments became public, Obama backed away from their tenor but insisted that "I said something that everybody knows is true."

Everybody in the Third Way crowd, perhaps.  Everybody who really doesn't get what a big deal job losses really are.  Everybody who lives in Versailles, regardless of whether they're a "liberal" or not.

And that's just it:  This is not evidence of liberal condescension.  It's evidence straight from the genetic code of Versailles, including clueless characters like David Broder and Joke Line praising Sarah Palin's monumental status as a populist icon, at the same time that self-identified Republicans have concluded that--whether they like her or not--she's not ready for prime time, and probably never will be.

Finally, Alexander's last word on the subject, what it all mens:

In this view, we should pay attention to conservative voters' underlying problems but disregard the policy demands they voice; these are illusory, devoid of reason or evidence. This form of liberal condescension implies that conservative masses are in the grip of false consciousness. When they express their views at town hall meetings or "tea party" gatherings, it might be politically prudent for liberals to hear them out, but there is no reason to actually listen.

This is such a perfect amalgam of idiocy and accidental insight that it leaves one dumbstruck on first reading--second and third readings too.  But eventually, gurgling speech-like sounds return.  First to the accidental insight:  taking the underlying problems seriously--but not necessarily the policy demands--gets it exactly right.  Of course, that's not exactly what Alexander wrote, but it's a point worth dwelling on.  It's something I've thought about often, but rarely written about that I can recall.  Alexander gives it a snarky, condescending twist, but there's nothing necessarily condescending at all with the straight version of it.  After all, why have a representative democracy at all, if not to have people who hear our concerns, and then go out and find ideas that will address those concerns?   This is precisely what elected representatives ought to be doing, not just for those they may differ with on policy, but for everyone--including their base supporter.   Politicians get lazy when all they do is give their supporters more of the same policies that met their concerns in the past.  Politicians ought to be regularly revisiting the concerns of all their constituents to see if last year's solutions are still the best solutions today.

The same attitude ought to apply to non-supporters as well.  If you can listen to people's problems, then you can speak to their problems--and perhaps come up with solutions they never dreamed of.  Martin Luther King illustrated this point in his speech, "The Drum Major Instinct" when he told the story of his interactions with some of his white jailers--although it was not his main point:

The other day I was saying, I always try to do a little converting when I'm in jail. And when we were in jail in Birmingham the other day, the white wardens and all enjoyed coming around the cell to talk about the race problem. And they were showing us where we were so wrong demonstrating. And they were showing us where segregation was so right. And they were showing us where intermarriage was so wrong. So I would get to preaching, and we would get to talking--calmly, because they wanted to talk about it. And then we got down one day to the point--that was the second or third day--to talk about where they lived, and how much they were earning. And when those brothers told me what they were earning, I said, "Now, you know what? You ought to be marching with us. [laughter] You're just as poor as Negroes." And I said, "You are put in the position of supporting your oppressor, because through prejudice and blindness, you fail to see that the same forces that oppress Negroes in American society oppress poor white people. (Yes) And all you are living on is the satisfaction of your skin being white, and the drum major instinct of thinking that you are somebody big because you are white. And you're so poor you can't send your children to school. You ought to be out here marching with every one of us every time we have a march."

Given the centrality of King's listening to his jailers in the above story, it's hard to think of anything more at odds with Alexander's last line:

When they express their views at town hall meetings or "tea party" gatherings, it might be politically prudent for liberals to hear them out, but there is no reason to actually listen.

But King is the actual model here.  What Howard Dean was saying--less eloquently--was perfectly in line with what Martin Luther King said in the passage above, and there was nothing condescending in King engaging with his white jailers the way he did.

Obama may well fit within Alexander's narrative framework; I've long argued that Obama is much more deeply at odds with Martin Luther King than most folks realize.  In "Martin Luther King and The Moral Imperative For Polarization", for example, I wrote about King's "Letter From Birmingham Jail," and the letter from local white clergymen that he was responding to.  The very last lines of my diary were:

When Obama said, "We don't need more heat. We need more light," he was lifting a page right out of the white clergymen's letter to King.  King's response was simple: I wish it were different, but it's always been this way--it takes more heat to bring more light.

So if Obama fits Alexander's narrative, it's not because he's a "liberal".  It's because he's pure Versailles.


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Two quotes from you sum me up, and why I don't get along well (4.00 / 3)
I think with many online.

The first is this one:

" And, finally, what about all those liberals who are themselves members of the working class who haven't been fooled at all, but sure are pissed at Democratic elites for doing such a lousy job on their behalf the last three decades or so?  The welter of questions like these points to where a genuinely honest debate about elitism and condescension, left and right, might take us.  But it's not at all a direction in which Alexander has any interest."

I am a left of center moderate who grew up dirt port down in the rural South.  But-for a lot of people along the way supporting me, I know I would not be in a position to do anything with my life.

I keep saying so people can get an idea of what I mean by poor: As in no running water in the house and no in door plumbing poor. As in a car that was constantly breaking down. As in even in good times, unemployment in my local area (according to stats I later looked up) ran in the high single or low double digits. As in mostly black. Mostly Christian evangelical. That kind of community.

I come by my left of center positions the hard way- by having seen the benefit of a working system and the harm of a non-working one.

I have watched the party slowly move away from those things that allowed me to even have a shot in this society, and I think to myself, what does that all mean for anyone coming up like I am today?

I have watched as what is a liberalism that I have that grows out of pragmatic experience rather than hard cord ideological belief become labeled as the "left of the left." Thus, this is what pisses me off about the Democratic leadership. It represents conservative rigidity (your choice of word that I am now using) in the form of neo-liberalism.  

At one point, I was open to the ideas of neo-liberalism because I am a pragmatist. What ever works, works. Whatever doesn't, should be set aside. Yet, that's not what the Democrats are doing. They are continuing with failed conservative leaning ideological beliefs although they have failed us as a society.

The elitism grows out of the belief of those who mostly have never suffered that they can speak for those who have. I will tell you something- whenever I talk to a conservative- they often end up respecting me because I don't speak like one of the elite.

Now, like the president, I come from the "right schools", but the difference is I never forgot where I came from. It does not control how I view my life now, but I don't forget it as some who come from my background are told to do.

Thus, I am a left of center populist because of life experiences. The chief problem with the president and the DC leadership is that they totally ignore experience in favor of DC narratives. It is as if each time a policy battle comes up that will affect real people's lives - they pretend the debate is tableau rasa. Like the last 30 years did not happen.

This statement by you:

"So if Obama fits Alexander's narrative, it's not because he's a "liberal".  It's because he's pure Versailles."

Is accurate.  You are right. There are conservative and liberal elites. In fact, the elites of both ideology share more in common with each other than the general population. Obama has more in common with Bush now than the average African American voter who thinks he is one of us so they are willing to "give him a chance" Whatever that means.

I looked on the powerful at my elite schools and thought "what the fuck?" "Why are all those folks back at home suffering when these elites are not  smarter or hard working?"

He saw them, and wanted to be a part of them. I saw them and recoiled.

Of course, being the way I am , a left of center populist in America places me often as a man at home  no where. Not in the modern Democratic party. Not in the GOP.

So, while you are right that there are a lot of folks like me out there- there is not a place where we fit. The power structure is designed to prevent us from having  a home because real change would occur. No one wants that- neither liberal or conservative elites.


I Hate To Tell You This (4.00 / 2)
But folks like you have rarely had a place to fit.  (Me neither, though I didn't grow up poor, just alienated as hell & never got over it politically.) It's always been a struggle to get a toe-hold inside the parties (for blacks, the GOP was once the party they struggled for a place in, as you know).  The Great Depression infused the Democratic Party with a good deal more populism than ever before, and that has lasted for a very long time, but it's going to take another mass tragedy, I'm afraid, to stir up enough people to bring it back down to earth again--or at least halfway back down.

The thing is, there's really not much choice nationally.  You can work on issues & more or less ignore the parties--which is what I've done much of my life--or you can work in third parties on the state level, such as the Working Families Party in NY.  But other than that, you just have to find ways to use the existing parties more than they use you.  I'm not selling it as anything more ideal than it is--the cards we're dealt.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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That is where "movement" comes in (4.00 / 5)
So, while you are right that there are a lot of folks like me out there- there is not a place where we fit.

This is exactly why creating a cohesive movement is so important. It's movements that move the political parties and get policy enacted, not the other way around.

Fortunately, more and more people are talking about this. Not only here at Open Left, but Radio host Thom Hartmann has also been especially good about pushing the importance of a progressive movement outside of the Democratic Party.  My question is: how do we turn talk into action? It seems we have a lot a organized groups pushing progressive ideas and legislation (Move On, Democracy for America, Color of Change to name a few). But how do we turn these various groups and individuals into a cohesive force that becomes a movement so powerful that the pols can't ignore it?


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Amen, bruhrabbit. (0.00 / 0)
But how do we turn these various groups and individuals into a cohesive force that becomes a movement so powerful that the pols can't ignore it?

That's a difficult question to answer.

I often wonder if the insidious peeling away by Versailles of any and all voters and activists who don't feel much at home with the 2-party pozi scam hasn't so alienated most of us that we have become incapable of joining.

One finds that the ability to be relational with others, most especially those who have firm convictions of 180 degrees opposite, is essential. Yet, ironically, it's the major casualty of the years of engaging with a system that's likely to lead one to believe that all relational possibility is limited only to those one has come to trust.

The system saps will and drive through it constant disappointment. One comes to believe, as does someone I was speaking with tonight, that hope, courage and another way are figments we speak about, but can never see in this reality.

Progressives, leftists, tend to struggle with an internal centrifugal force that consistently presses us away from the hub, out to the edges where relationship becomes more and more difficult to build due to previous experience.

Paul, consider the experience and analysis of Dr. Mate in Vnacouver concerning addicts. I think there's something instructive about that that applies to adults as well as children and can be forged by other stresses and pressures than childhood physical, emotional and sexual abuses. I've come to believe that that fact is the central purpose of elites' actions, Pub and Dem. Alienation and despair unless one becomes assimilated to them.

Every time we hear of hope or promise, we recoil and move further away from others. The Obamas and Clintons of this country have made those words, those desires, more of a mockery than a goal.

How? Perhaps by daring again, and again, to speak, act and join with others, one by one, few by few, until there are enough of us working together to lend one another strength and the hope that what we are doing is truly worthwhile, even if it's only attainable by our children or grandchildren.      


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Hard ways (0.00 / 0)
I come by my left of center positions the hard way- by having seen the benefit of a working system and the harm of a non-working one.

How hard does a path need be to have such enlightenment?

Is it enough to be disillusioned?



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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One thinks of Eleanor Roosevelt (4.00 / 5)
Some people seem to have a natural empathy; others don't. The hard way doesn't always work either. I've talked to a lot of guys who spent their whole lives doing shit jobs, or by virtue of natural talent, ambition, and a bit of luck, rose in the world despite being discriminated against because of their lack of education, or their social background. It's amazing how many of them spent hours telling me that the government shouldn't give those lazy blacks and Mexicans what they themselves worked so hard for. It was an obsession with them, and no arguments made the slightest dent, although they did get me labeled a bleeding heart, and therefore untrustworthy.

The path is the path. Whether it's hard or easy, in plain sight or invisible, seems to depend on complexities of the human experience which are only occasionally quantifiable.


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Empathy is indeed the point (4.00 / 1)
Not the branding of the image that one calls empathy, but whether one actually feels it. The value of having my background is that they can not challenge on life experiences. Some conservative trying to throw "oh you are just elite" in my face is soon on the receiving in of a rant about whether they really want to go there about who is or is not of the elite from me. Authenticity in this way does matter. That's part of what the party now lacks. This person over at mydd, orestes, several months ago gave me insight into why I am affected in a different ways by these policies debates. It is because I have lived on the underbelly of bad policies that affected me at the economic survival level. That gives me a connection to this that makes this all very personal in ways that is not personal for some who may intellectually believe in the need for policy change, but not really in terms prioritizing it over identity, or partisanship, etc. The point is here a right leaning debater is hard press to challenge me as those right leaning people did you. They are left either defending their ideas or listening to me proving mine because can't fit me into their nice little labels.  

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