Little room for Bayh to primary Obama from the right

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 14:25


Some of the chatter around Evan Bayh's exit has speculated that he is gearing up for a right-wing primary challenge to President Obama in 2012.  Bayh did organize a new Senate caucus that has stalled most of President Obama's agenda, and he has $13 million in the bank.

However, it can be safely said that, unless Obama's approval rating declines sharply among Democrats, there is no such room for a right-wing primary challenge.  Here is President Obama's approval rating by partisan and ideological self-identification, sorted by the percentage of each group in the 2008 Presidential primary electorate:

Obama job approval by partisan and ideological self-identification, within the Democratic primary electorate
Ideology and Party % of Dem primary electorate Presidential Job Approval
Liberal Dem 38% 87%
Moderate Dem 31% 82%
Conservative Dem 9% 75%
Liberal Ind 9% 67%
Moderate Ind 7% 55%
Conservative Ind 3% 27%
Lib-Mod Rep 2% 31%
Conservative Rep 1% 12%
(Source for primary electorate composition: here
Source for job approval by partisan and ideological self-ID: here and here
)

This amount to an overall approval of 77% among the Democratic primary electorate.  Further, only 5% of the primary electorate are self-identified conservatives who not approve of President Obama's job performance, and 10% are self-identified moderates who do not approve of President Obama's job performance.

That gives a right-wing primary challenge to President Obama only 15% of the presidential primary electorate to work with, which is less than one-fifth the percentage of the electorate that approves of President Obama's job performance.  Further, it is likely that the self-identified liberals within the presidential primary electorate who do not approve of President Obama's job performance would break significantly against any such right-wing primary challenger.  This makes it difficult for such a challenger to even win any delegates, much less actually mount a credible threat to President Obama's re-nomination.

President Obama is going to win the Democratic nomination in 2012, and win it easily.  There won't be any other viable Democratic candidates for President until the 2016 primary season starts in late 2014.

Chris Bowers :: Little room for Bayh to primary Obama from the right

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Uh, Chris, WHAT ABOUT THE RED LINKS? (4.00 / 1)
Shall the blog stay that way forever? What's the point? It's your call to change the design, of courrse, but an explanation would be nice.

I'm with The Big Hurt on this one: Blue links are better readable.


"Obama is going to win the Democratic nomination in 2012" (0.00 / 0)
Hmm, I wouldn't go that far with predictions. Don't forget, he still has 30 months left for screwing up even more. Hey, how did Jimmy Carter's job approval look like at the same time in his presidency? Or Gerry Ford's?

This far into Ford's Presidency (0.00 / 0)
it was a month before the election in which he lost.  

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well (4.00 / 2)
They both won their primaries too, so you have to go to LBJ.


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oops (0.00 / 0)
I don't wish to imply you don't know that, Gray, I just wanted to say there'd have to be a tremendous disaster to stop Obama.  

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

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No, you're right. (0.00 / 0)
I really overlooked that the point was about the primary. Low concentration day, I'm afraid.

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OK, but Carter's 51% weren't really impressive (4.00 / 1)
And if Kennedy would have been on the height of his wit, he would have made it. We later learned he was troubled by personal problems.

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What about Al Gore? (0.00 / 0)
I know it's complete pie in the sky nonsense to say that he WOULD run, but what if Al Gore were to come in after the midterms, and announce an outsider challenge to Obama, running an anti-wall street and pro-environment platform?  

It would be disingenuous from Clinton's VP, but a good chunk of the electorate doesn't really remember the clinton years anyway.  It would be consistent with his new, post-politics image, and I assume that he is still very popular amongst Democrats.  


Gore had his chance (4.00 / 1)
he'd be better off staying out of the circus.

Any Obama challenger will be more of an outsider. I can't see anyone seriously trying to run to his right - unless they are actually a Republican. His left flank is wide open, however.


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What would make you think (0.00 / 0)
that Al Gore, Mr. DLC/Third Way Shill, would be any better than Obama?

Unless you're saying that Gore would run to Obama's right.  That could be possible, but they're actually probably on the same page more or less.


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Gore after he left office has been quite different (0.00 / 0)
than Gore the VP, who was also to the right of Gore the senator on several key issues.  It's a completely moot point, and who knows about any of this.  But he is the only person that I can think of that would have a prayer of primarying Obama successfully.  

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I can't think of any real evidence of how he's been "different" (0.00 / 0)
His signature liberal bona fides since 2000 have been doing something about global warming (which he's been championing since the early 1990s at least) and opposing the war in Iraq, which we also get with Obama.  He also made some noises about "reluctantly" supporting single-payer, but I don't know if that was real support or "I'm open to it" kind of support.

Unless Gore does a huge pandering shift to the left, I don't see how Gore can successfully primary Obama if they're about the same ideologically, and Obama outmatches him in charisma.


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There is a huge, huge difference (0.00 / 0)
between an established political figure opposing the war (and endorsing Dean early, btw) and a no-name in a tight senate race opposing the war.  Obama had everything to gain and nothing to lose in opposing the war.  Gore was out of politics, so didn't have as much to lose, but it was at least something.  

It wouldn't be a massive pander to go after Obama from the left on Guantánamo and Afghanistan, neither of which Gore really has a record on, and then throw in inaction on the environment combined with a health care criticism if the reconciliation bill fails to have a public option.  

It won't happen, and he's almost certainly out of politics, but it's at least plausible.  Especially considering that he's been out of office and no one in our political culture remembers six months ago, much less ten years.  


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Conventional wisdom in 2002-2003 (0.00 / 0)
was that Saddam had WMDs and was going to use them against the USA one way or another, and if you didn't fall behind our Dear War President in a Flight Suit you were a naive idealistic pacifist at best and a terrorist sympathizing traitor at worst.  Anyone stepping into that piranha's pool was taking a huge political risk, let alone a politician in the Democratic Party.  So I think Gore and Obama both had everything to lose, but Obama more since he was running for office.

Anyway, I think it'd be more plausible for someone with a better liberal record and with a history of bucking the party establishment (e.g. Dennis Kucinich) to primary Obama.


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No, Obama had nothing to lose (0.00 / 0)
he was running for office, yes, but the sine qua non of succeeding in that run was doing something to distinguish himself.  

And Dennis Kucinich would have no chance against Obama.  He has minimal base support, middling name rec, no charisma, poor fundraising ability, lackluster motiviation for actually campaigning and making campaign stops and little prospect of getting support from any groups capable of moving votes.  


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By which I mean (0.00 / 0)
Obama was trailing in a six-way primary race.  Without that anti-war declaration, he almost certainly would have lost.  

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Conventional wisdom at the time said that opposing the war would win you the primary but not the general (0.00 / 0)
and we all know how Obama feels about conventional wisdom.

Anyway, the point I was making was that to oppose the war at all branded you, in many circles, as a Saddam-appeasing traitor.  Forget about running for office - your very social image would be irrevocably stained.  Whether or not you were a politician or a regular citizen was besides the fact.

And yes, I agree about Kucinich.  But I think most of the same arguments could be made about Gore, except he'd have more name recognition and slightly more base support.  At any rate I think this is all academic because neither one would be willing to challenge Obama.  In fact I can't think of anyone conceivably challenging Obama unless his approval ratings start entering G.W. Bush circa 2007-2009 territory.  Primarying a sitting President is pretty much forbidden to most politicians.


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Maybe he's just a lazy hack (4.00 / 3)
He didn't get the VP slot, decided he's bored, and walked away.  Sort of a male Sarah Palin thing.

Right (4.00 / 5)
And you didn't mention the main reason Obama is a lock, his near-uniform support from African-Americans. The only theoretical candidate who could challenge Obama is another African-American (but who?) or a Latino (but who?) or maybe a heart-healthy Bill Clinton (yeah, right.)

That said, losing primaries can help the shape the party and the country, so I'm hoping for a strong antiwar, anti-bailout challenger.  


You might get Kucinich (0.00 / 0)
But any strong challenger is going to realise he or she can't win, and keep their powder dry for 2016.

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Unless (4.00 / 1)
That candidate doesn't think Obama can win and is just getting a jump start on national name recognition for 2016.

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Like a left-wing Reagan (0.00 / 0)
Though once again, it would make more sense for this person to be running to Obama's left, not his right.

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Bayh can't really do that (4.00 / 1)
If he tried to run as a populist from the left, he'd come off as phony as John Edwards.

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Yeah (0.00 / 0)
it wouldn't be Bayh.  But it would be a plausible primary challenge to Obama, however.  

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Kucinich has no charisma (0.00 / 0)
Unfortunate, but true.

Primarying Obama from the left is not about winning the nomination. Its about widening the political spectrum so that President Obama is not seen as the extreme left of the nation.

Cynthia McKinney, perhaps? Or Keith Ellison.

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     ...but its right."


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Such a challenge should happen anyway (0.00 / 0)
Progressives should appear nakedly uncomfortable in the Democratic coalition.

It sets the tone for other things.

Kucinich, Gravel, Sanders, Grayson, Nader, or perhaps a blogger? Jane Hamsher?


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You convince Nader to run as a Democrat (0.00 / 0)
and what is left of his integrity will be shot.


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     ...but its right."


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I have three (4.00 / 2)
African Americans in my group at work.

One has a screen saver of her in DC in January of last year.  Another has a screen saver that is a slide show of Obama.  The third still has her Obama sticker on her car.

I drive through the heart of the African American community in Tampa every day I am in Florida.  At virtually every store there is a large picture or painting of Obama.

I have little doubt African Americans will respond if they think Obama is threatened in the primaries.

Even if he could be beaten in the primaries, who ever beat him would have serious trouble generating the African American turnout needed to win a general election.

I do not believe a left challenge will defeat the first African American President in US history.



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Eye roll (0.00 / 0)
It sounds like these people would vote for Satan if he were black.

I'm a member of a few non-political minority groups and I can't think of one that would command my vote unconditionally.  The closest one would be an atheist but I'd still choose a religious liberal over an atheist centrist or conservative.


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Here are some possible reasons why Bayh might primary Obama (4.00 / 2)
1) He's not aware of political reality and thinks he has a shot.
2) Someone, like the health care industry, funds him in an attempt to force Obama to spend money in the primaries and drive up his negatives.

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If Evan Bayh ... (4.00 / 1)
were to ever primary Obama from the right in '12 ... Bayh would get so humiliated .. it wouldn't be funny .. what constituency does Bayh have? .. none .. that's what

the DC élite is his constituency (4.00 / 1)
he'd generate a bunch of buzz, maybe even make some waves in Iowa, and then die.  

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I think there will be a challenge from the left though (4.00 / 1)
selfidentification has never impressed me, and  he has betrayed trad dems on too many issues. Once a candidate pointed this  out, he is a goner.  Since Obama is already right wing, I wouldn't think there  would be any room to challenge  from the  right.

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Bayh Left to "Create" That One JOB! (0.00 / 0)
Bayh left to cash in his Senate seat for a big fat job with K St.  He's already sold his state and the America public down the road so now it's time to put a price on his integrity.

Good riddance.


52% don't want Obama to be reelected (0.00 / 0)
   Do you think Barack Obama deserves to be reelected, or not?

   Yes, deserves to be reelected 44%
   No, does not deserve to be reelected 52%


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Seems the question isn't that much from where the challenge comes, but only if the other candidate is more trustworthy. That there's now a majority who wants the useless loudmouth out is making his success in 2012 questionable. If he doesn't change his pro-estabalishment, anti-change course, he's toast. And center/rightly so.


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