Conservative condesension comback contest!

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Feb 20, 2010 at 15:30


Last week, I wrote a diary series deconstructing  Gerard Alexander's WaPo commissioned editorial, "Why are liberals so condescending". I called it "Conservative condescension: Projection and conservative victomology on parade". In a comment, Oaktown Girl wrote:

I have every reason to believe

you are quite correct in that the next Big Lie that conservative will turn into conventional wisdom "truth" is the "Liberals are condescending" meme. Here's my question: what's our one-liner counter to that?

A detailed, well researched series like you have presented here is fantastic and much needed for the historical record. But in addition to that, to really counter these assholes we need to come up with something quick, sharp, snappy, and hard to counter with mere vacuous jargon. So we turn on the TV and the the talking heads toss out the "Liberals are condescending" line as if it's God's own Truth. The token liberal guest counters with...?

Well, she's absolutely right, of course.  And what better to answer than to throw it open to the whole Open Left community.  You don't have to have read my whole series--or even a single installment.  We've all heard similar sorts of narratives for decdes now--about how snooty old liberals just can't understand common folks like Timothy McVeigh, or whatever.  My diary series is considerably more specific than that, and if you haven't read it, I encourage you to do so (a bit more about it on the flip).  But this is all about kicking the doors wide open and asking your advice.  I would suggest that there are three types of suggestions that would be particularly useful:

(1) One-liners.  Things that Oaktown Girl's hypothetical liberal guest can quickly interject to cause maximum consternation and disruption of the ongoing "liberal condescension" narrative.

(2) Elevator speeches.  The 30-second rap that puts the liberal counter-argument in a nutshell.

(3) Memes.  Think of them as seed thoughts.  They don't have to be cleverly expressed.  Get the meme right, and others can riff off them.

Of course, those are only suggestions.  Write anything you want, really.  But help us come up with useful, pithy, devastating responses to the "liberal condescension" narrative that we can help spread far and wide in the weeks and months to come.

Paul Rosenberg :: Conservative condesension comback contest!
Here's a brief recap of my diary series from last weekend:

In Part I, I dealt with the introduction and transition of Alexander's op-ed, which argued that not only are liberals overtly condescending toward conservatives, but they're woven their condescension into four overarching narratives.

I took on each of Alexander's alleged liberal narrative of condescension in the next four parts of my series. In Part 2, I dealt with the "vast right-wing conspiracy" narrative, which more or less consciously attempts to grapple  with the reality of  rightwing hegemonic warfare.  In Part 3, I dealt with the alleged "voters are dupes" narrative, which has a kernel of truth to it, but mostly consists of Alexander misunderstanding or ignoring the point of progressive criticisms of Democratic elitism. In Part 4, I pointed out that the "conservatives rely on racial appeals" narrative had been promulgated by no less crucial a conservative icon than the late Lee Atwater, and in Part 5 I dealt the narrative that "conservatives are driven purely by emotion and anxiety -- including fear of change" as opposed to liberals relying on reason, in part by quoting the likes of conservative icons Edmund Burke and Richard Kirk who made the same sort of argument themselves, claiming that it was a good thing, not something to be ashamed of.

Then, in my final diary, Part 6, I dealt with the underwhelming conclusion of Alexander's column.

Now, have at it!


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five attempts (4.00 / 4)
1. Republicans lie to their voters, lies make them feel stupid.

2. Its isnt elitist to tell to the truth.

3. When your plans fail, it must be someones else' fault.

4. Republicans keep their districts poor and uneducated, put the blame where it lies.

5. Republicans are really two different groups, the peoiple who own the party, the very rich, are the actual elite, and the Republican voter, who can't understand why all those nice things their party says never come true.


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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


asdf (4.00 / 3)
I like #2.

My thought: "Most of the super rich are conservatives and most of the working class are liberals. So who are the elites?"  


[ Parent ]
Here's one I've been throwing around (4.00 / 10)
to pretty good effect:

You know what - just pay your damned taxes!

Instead of flying planes into buildings because you blame the tax code for preventing you from becoming truly rich, isn't it time you realized that taxes are the price we pay for living in a civilized society?

Sure, there are lots of things about the tax code that can be reformed.  I for one would like to see tax rates on the Wall St. gazillionaires put back to pre-Reagan, not just pre-Bush rates.  

But until you understand the simple truth that we're all in this together, I don't want to hear your whining, your victimology,  any of it. Try growing up instead.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


This is pretty good (0.00 / 0)


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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


[ Parent ]
"Real Americans (4.00 / 3)
pay taxes?"

Montani semper liberi

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Yes, they do! (4.00 / 1)
It's patriotic to pay taxes.

- Joe Biden, 2008

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


[ Parent ]
taxes are the price we pay for living in a civilized society (4.00 / 2)
That statement should be in the top three items of a Progressive manifesto.

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Oliver Wendell Holmes, I believe? (0.00 / 0)


"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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Crude But The Truth (4.00 / 2)
I'm an engineer which means I have MANY conservative co-workers.  I also don't like putting up with BS.

"You guys must like taking it up the ass for the rich."

"You're not rich, you're fifty years old, you're probably not going to get rich and you're voting for a party that will steal your Social Security and Medicare.  And those are not God damned entitlements - you've been paying for them your whole fucking life."

I can get almost all of them to admit that Bush and the Republicans screwed the whole country into the ground.  Some of them keep holding out thinking that somehow they will be treated like one of the rich, maybe, somehow, when like monkeys fly out of Palin's butt or something.  We don't seem to have too make "public" tyeabaggers in the office since most think those folks are fairly nuts.

Now the problem I have is that having Obama, Rahm and the Blue Dogs screw the poor and middle class as bad as the Republicans and really makes it hard to root for anybody nowadays.


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Hold On A Second... (4.00 / 1)
An "entitlement" is not something you don't earn.

An "entitlement" is a benefit you are entitled to by virtue of qualifying.  Everyone who qualifies and applies for it receives it.  This is as opposed to a program where only a specific amount of money is appropriated, and after it's spent (or pre-committed) no one else can get any, even if they're more deserving than someone else who's already gotten paid.

I know that conservatives have tried to twist its meaning, just as they have with "limited government."

It's our job to restore the right meaning of words.  That's what makes honest talk possible.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Good Point (4.00 / 3)
Paul, good point.

I'm not "entitled" to Social Security and Medicare.  I've been paying for them my whole adult life - since I was sixteen.  That's not free - I've earned them.

Social Security is my term insurance policy.  It just happens to be with a much more successful insurance company than any of them on Wall St.  Hell, Wall St would even exist right now except that the government - YOU and ME - stepped in and bailed their silly asses out of trouble.


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Having an engineering degree (0.00 / 0)
and having worked with engineers, I've always felt uncomfortable working with many of them. While many of them are reasonably intelligent, it tends to be in a rote, by the book, inside the box sort of way, with a palpable fear of and discomfort with taking chances--even merely in thought--and veering off the tried and true path. It's like they all had authoritarian fathers who beat them into submission, if not physically, then emotionally. So I can see why many of them are conservative (or, for the slightly more imaginative among them, libertarian). Robotic people tend to be so.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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Often it's Asperger's, too. (0.00 / 0)
People with Aspergers are heavily over-represented in certain fields, and engineering is one of them.

Montani semper liberi

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Gotta take exception (4.00 / 1)
to these stereotypes.

I'm a software engineer myself though not formally trained as such.  I consider myself as creative as the average creative person.  But I also respect the discipline involved in engineering.  I once worked for a consulting firm whose evolving ethos seemed to be that their engineers should behave more like salesmen.  

I was soon gone from that place.  The salesman's job is put a happy face on things and shove all inconvenient details under the rug - or to charitable, put the product in the best possible light.  As it is said "Anyone can sell a good product, but it takes a really great salesman to sell a shitty one."

The engineer's job is to think of everything that could go wrong and protect against it, not ways to hide problems.  Trying to make one person do both assures someone who does neither well.  Engineering is an honorable profession. Who would you rather have on your side, a responsible engineer or a glad-handing used-car salesman?

Not to say that there aren't annoying people in the profession.  Indeed there are.  But Asperger's?  C'mon

Stereotype much?

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


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Well, There's SOME Truth In The Above (0.00 / 0)
But there's a great deal more truth in a wonderful little book, The Existential Pleasures of Engineering, which I would heartily recommend to one and all--but especially to those to quick to dis engineers as a whole.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I never said "all" (0.00 / 0)
I said "many". And the salesman-like engineer that you refer to is one that I've found to be an anomaly, much more so than my "stereotype" of the uncreative kind. Most engineers I've known and worked with try to do the best job that they can. It's just that the types that I refer to just can't seem to be able to think beyond the specs they're handed. Which, perhaps, is a good thing when you're cranking out spec work, but which makes for rather dull coworkers, and a mentality that's naturally inclined towards conservatism. Certainly not all or even most engineers are like this, but it does appear to be a field in which conservative types seem to be overrepresented.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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I dunno (0.00 / 0)
Maybe I'm in a unique situation but I can think of exactly one of my coworkers who's a Republican.

And you weren't the one who brought up Aspergers's.  Sorry.  That was what really set me off.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


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I'm probably exaggerating myself (0.00 / 0)
But in just about every technical job I've had, there have been some very conservative types that I haven't gotten along with, not so much due to politics (which I rarely discuss at work) as due to their very set in their ways and suspicious of other ways of doing things and thinking attitudes in general. They just seemed so robotic and soulless and unable/unwilling to challenge anything, and it kept making me think of Arendt and the danger or blind conformity.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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I prefer to think of taxes as an investment we make to strengthen America (4.00 / 2)
- that is if you love America...

Politicians are terrible at letting these idiots know what their taxes buy.

Obama needs to go on television and say "this year, your taxes will be invested in making America the strongest nation on Earth. Your taxes will buy 3 million pairs of boots for soldiers defending the nation, 80,000 fire trucks for defending our infrastructure, 300 million books for schools and universities for educating our citizens, 4 million miles of roads to transport our commodities, 24 million flu vaccines to keep our people healthy... etc.

I completely made up all the numbers, but the point is that people will actually get a sense of where a huge chunk of their tax money is going - so if they don't want to pay taxes, then they don't want to buy boots for soldiers or firetrucks for firefighters...

Another way of looking at taxes is that many rich people have no problem paying $30K in membership fees to some exclusive country club while bitching to hell about paying taxes. Well the United States is an exclusive country club where the standard of living and opportunities to achieve are second to none, and your membership dues (taxes) go to maintain the clubhouse (departments of the government) the greens (our streets and neighborhoods) the roughs (our wild-lands) and to pay security guards (military and police) driving range and practice greens (schools and universities) carts (public transportation) club employees, etc. etc. etc as metaphorical as you want to make it. We all live in a big country club and we all have to pay dues to keep it a great place to be a member of.

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But stupid and selfish people (4.00 / 1)
don't think this rationally, and most conservatives are stupid and selfish IMO. They want to pay for, and think we can get away with paying for, only the things that THEY want and think are necessary, and fail to understand how important many of the things that they don't want to pay for are, not only to others, but to them as well. And when things fall apart because of this short-sightedness, they blame totally unrelated people and things. Which is why they're stupid as well as selfish. We're basically dealing with people who, left to their own devices, would eventually self-destruct. They hate us, but they need us (and on a certain subconscious level, this might by WHY they hate us). It's all so predictable and sad and frustrating.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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1. (4.00 / 2)
Enjoying your Stockholm Syndrome, are you? (credit Digby)

Too bad we can't paraphrase Jon Stewart (0.00 / 0)
"I want a President who is embarrassingly superior to me" (or something to that effect).

Unfortunately, quoting Jon Stewart to a conservative is likely to be about as effective as quoting Rachel Maddow :-|

The best reply would probably be to find a good quote from St. Ronnie of Ray-guns. Lay it on 'em and when they try to counter, say "But I thought Ronnie was your patron saint...?"

Attention, lobbyists! Ownership of other persons is not legal. You must release all elected officials immediately!


2. (0.00 / 0)
That a tramp stamp above your butt, or a kick me sign? (credit Tbogg)

Wow now there is a real problem (0.00 / 0)
Or

At least they are not obnoxious.

Although Just pay your damn taxes
seems like a winner.


Boy did I (4.00 / 3)
pick the wrong week to give up coffee! I swear I've lost 20 IQ points in the attempt. But you present such a tempting target I will have to think of something.

Montani semper liberi

lol (4.00 / 1)
and the decaff stuff just makes it worse....
feel for ya

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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I'll NEVER Give Up Coffee (0.00 / 0)
I drink a whole lot less than I used to. I don't drink it every day, some days I just drink decaff, and at home I always mix blend my decaff beans into the mix.  But I always will reserve the right to drink some piping hot caffeine when the need arises.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
Out of your (0.00 / 0)
cold, dead hands, eh?

Montani semper liberi

[ Parent ]
Heh! Heh! Heh! (0.00 / 0)
It was Europe's first modern illegal drug, I'll have you know!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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For reasons passing all understanding (4.00 / 1)
Up here in Seattle Starbucks has stopped brewing decaf after noon. It seems that locals only drink it in the morning, which is yet one more bizarro imponderable about the place that makes me think that David Lynch was being way too kind to them. That, plus the lutefisk and passive-aggressive politeness (ya gotta live here to understand).

I think that conservative hell is having to live here. Judging from the the comments section of local papers, it is.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


[ Parent ]
Starbucks, What's That? (0.00 / 0)
Is it condescending because I brew my own coffee at home for  about 10% of what it costs there?

Is being smart without going to an Ivy League college condescending, too?  Or making a decent living, in part because you belong to a union?  Is getting rid of all that sort of stuff what the conservative war on condescension is all about?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Hey, one has to get out sometimes (0.00 / 0)
And even up here there are places where it's the only real choice, or even the better one, in terms of cafes.

Although, I agree about brewing at home, especially if you're going somewhere. I don't understand take out morning coffee. Are people that rich, or just lazy?

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


[ Parent ]
Condescending!? (4.00 / 1)
When Republicans start acting like adults, then we'll start treating them like adults.

Or, in other words, (0.00 / 0)
It's only condescending to call something stupid if it isn't actually stupid.

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"Hey, we're just condescending because you guys are idiots." (0.00 / 0)
Tax Cuts are a Lie! (4.00 / 3)
When you think about it tax cuts is all they got. Let's go after their strength.
Tax cuts cause deficits.

"Righties have no idea what we lefties think, because they never listen to us. They listen to the straw lefties that live in their own heads, and then they explain to each other what we think."  - Barbara O'Brien


"Sexual Jealousy" (0.00 / 0)
If there's no way to penetrate the particularly thick skulls of your co-panelists and have a substantive discussion, might as well go for chaos:

"None of this meta stuff really matters to the American public, but if you really want to go there, it's sexual jealousy. Conservatives envy liberal sexuality. We should lock Newt Gingrich in a room with the Nancy Pelosi issue of Playboy and a plaster casting of the most judicious member of Senator Franken's personal supreme court. Newt would feel better, and I think America would be better off."


this would send Newt into apoplectic rage if he's actually present, BTW (0.00 / 0)
n/t

[ Parent ]
Well, that's not the least bit gendered there. Way to put forth a (0.00 / 0)
progressive ideology, by assuming an entirely male dominated audience, despite every bit of evidence which points to progressivism as female-dominated. Absolute genius! Also, I would tend to think that there's no shortage of evidence pointing towards conservatives not so much envying health sexuality so much as valorizing an unhealthy one. But, y'know, as long as you've couched everything in male heteronormative terms, it must carry weight, right?

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Statement: Liberals are condescending (4.00 / 7)
Response: Yes, it's true.  When you keep taking the low road, down is the only way anyone can look to find you.

To Put This A Little Better, I Think: (4.00 / 9)
"We're not looking down at you.  We're looking at you.  Was it our fault you chose the low road?  Don't you take responsibility for anything?"


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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This is good, this is real. I like these two, there is meat here. (0.00 / 0)
lets feed it through the writers at John's House and see what we can come up with.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Pithier version: (4.00 / 1)
"Hard to look up to you when you keep taking the low road."

Health insurance is not health care.
If you don't fight, you can't win.
Never give up. Never Surrender.
Watch out for flying kabuki.


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Variation on this theme (4.00 / 1)
"Perhaps if you step out of the gutter and shake the sewage off your shoes, you might be able to stop looking up at me in anger."

or perhaps a couple from Ambrose Bierce:

IDIOT, n. A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human affairs has always been dominant and controlling. The Idiot's activity is not confined to any special field of thought or action, but "pervades and regulates the whole." He has the last word in everything; his decision is unappealable. He sets the fashions and opinion of taste, dictates the limitations of speech and circumscribes conduct with a dead-line.

And...

HYPOCRITE, n. One who, professing virtues that he does not respect, secures the advantage of seeming to be what he despises.


"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates

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I like this (0.00 / 0)
It's perfect

Extraordinary progressive star in the making

[ Parent ]
one liner 2 (4.00 / 3)
"How can taxing the rich and powerful to help the poor and powerless be elitist?"

On, noes! (0.00 / 0)
Are you suggesting Robin Hood was elitist?

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alternative version (4.00 / 3)
"Elitists try to promote the interests of elites.  Find me an elitist who wants to restrict what big corporations can do through regulation, throw CEO criminals in jail, stop industry from polluting our water and air and you can call me an 'elitist' but I think I just described three things you are against.  What does that make you?"

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my try (4.00 / 7)
"People who think giving your money to millionaires is good for you know a lot more about condescension than I do. I'm not sure I could spell condescension."

Flips the charge
Embeds class war meme
Self-deprecation cannot be condescending

Did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts? Hot ashes for trees? Hot air for a cool breeze? And cold comfort for change?


Excellent! (4.00 / 2)
[Monty Burns voice.... Gleefully rubbing hands together now.]

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
How about this? (4.00 / 1)
 "Why are liberals so condescending"

Response:
"I thought we were lib-ascending."

But seriously, I like "It isn't elitist to tell the truth."


"Lib-Ascending"? Or "Lib-Descending"? (0.00 / 0)
This is the great question of our age.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
"Liberals are so condescending" comback: (4.00 / 1)
I intend to say:

Funny how whiners hear how people respond to their whining ` they hear it as condescension? It really is exasperation listening to their whining for 30+years.  


asdf (0.00 / 0)
In other words, he who smelt it dealt it???

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Sadly, No! has ideas (4.00 / 4)
Admittedly, Skeletor-izing the bankers will get some pushback from the mainstream press, which never misses an opportunity to suck up to the rich and powerful. David Gregory's interview with Tim Geithner was a classic example of this phenomenon, with Gregory practically begging Geithner to denounce executive compensation limits for bailed-out banks.
[...]
Punchy progressive messaging can easily shut this line of questioning down. A halfway competent progressive advocate would have simply responded to David Gregory's questions by giving him a funny look and saying, "Uh, dude? Why do you care if we hurt Skeletor's feelings?" - Brad


it will certainly work (4.00 / 4)
With 25-40 year old males who remember He-Man.  Maybe we need a more ubiquitous cultural villian.  I think Felix Salmon called Goldman-Sach's spox the "Mouth of Sauron" which was pretty good but probably of limited cultural cache.

Monty Burns?  Emperor Palpatine?  Major Frank Burns?  Keyser Söze?  SPECTRE?  SKY-NET?  Davey Jones?  


[ Parent ]
Lex Luthor. (4.00 / 2)
I mean, really.  If you're going to talk about elitism and condescension, Lex is pretty much the villain to reference.

Health insurance is not health care.
If you don't fight, you can't win.
Never give up. Never Surrender.
Watch out for flying kabuki.


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"Liberals are so condescending" comback: (4.00 / 1)
Condescending? Is that like when somebody expects you to pee yourself whenever they say "terrorist"? And if you don't, they say you hate America?  

Taking Back America, One Radio at a Time.

Why not add religious chauvinism-political identification to this stew of irony? (4.00 / 2)
Didn't Jesus say, "blessed are the rich, because they know better and aren't lazy and incompetent like the poor"?  Or was that Reagan?

Figuring out how to be a progressive college graduate transplant to Ohio:  http://citizenobie.wordpress.com/

Elitism (0.00 / 0)
In the defense of liberty is no vice.

Personally, I prefer "Die in a grease fire, you moron" but I don't think you would consider that useful.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both


- (4.00 / 3)
"do you think it's more condescending for a conservative to lie to your face or for a liberal to point it out?"

"sounding 'folksy' while you take money from ordinary people and give it the people and corporations who need it least is way more disrespectful than whatever you think liberals doing."

"please give me an example."


adf (0.00 / 0)
I like the second one very much - calling them out on the fake folksy thing is great.

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thanks! (0.00 / 0)
it occurs to me we don't really need to do this since jon stewart and stephen colbert do it on an almost daily basis :)  we could just watch old clips and collect material. :)

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The Great Condescender (4.00 / 2)
Condescending? Is that like when a presidential candidate tells you he's going to increase military spending, build a 600-ship navy, cut your taxes and balance the budget at the same time?  

Taking Back America, One Radio at a Time.

So, which kind of conservative are you: (4.00 / 2)
Pro torture, or anti progress? Or both?

"When liberals criticize conservatives, (4.00 / 7)
conservatives act as though we are criticizing someone else - voters, the troops, America. We're not - we're criticizing you.  Stop hiding behind other people, tough guy. We gave you the truth and you called it condescending!"


Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.

Excellent Point (0.00 / 0)
One the one hand, it's always about them. OTOH, it's never about them.  Either way, they never give a straight answer.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I've bookmarked this page ~ (4.00 / 1)
And I'm going to use it when I do battle with the con trolls over at HuffPost. Thanks, all! And sorry I don't have anything to contribute right now, but I'll think on it :)

Let's focus on refuting condescension, not elitism (4.00 / 4)
1.  ONE LINERS

"It's conservatives who look down on people and don't trust them enough to make their own choices."

"I think most Americans are smart enough to see this is a lie."

"Why are conservative elites such hypocrites?"

"Well, we know that Applebee's doesn't have a salad bar, probably because we've eaten there."

"Hey, how much did that suit cost you?"

"When's the last time you spent some time actually talking like equals with one of the working people at a hotel you stay in?"

2. ELEVATOR SPEECHES

"I always thought social security, medicare, and civil rights were about empowering working people, actually.  Liberals worked hard, with the people, to get these programs and it was conservatives who said no, no, no.  Empowering people is not looking down on them."

"It seems to me those who think women aren't smart enough to make their own decisions about their bodies are the ones who are treating people like children.  It seems to me those who think that gays and lesbians aren't wise enough to marry the person they love are the ones treating people like they don't know what's best for themselves.  It seems to me those who think that giving people a choice between private insurance and a public option is a bad thing are the ones who think that the common everyday American is too stupid to make his or her own decisions."

"Well, actually, it's liberals who think that working folk are the important ones in this country. Working folk are and always have been the driving force of liberalism.  The whole movement arose out of working folk's actions to improve their lives.  It's conservatives who think that the ungodly, bloated, parasitic, uber-richest 1% who live like vampires off the rest of us, looking down on us from their castles, are the only ones that matter."

"Jesus said sell all you have and give it to the poor and come follow him and if the rich, young ruler had been a modern conservative he would have said trying to help his neighbors was condescending, I guess.  It amazes me that people who claim to be motivated by their faith can be so far away from what Christ taught or so far away from what the Prophets and Rabbis taught.  Now they want to not only ignore their religions' messages to put the poorer people first, they want to accuse those of us who take that message seriously as looking down on them.  'I don't want to change things to help you because it might be interpreted by some Washington Elitist as condescending.'  Where do they get these ideas?"

3. MEMES

Liberals actually listen to and work with working people.  Conservatives pretend they do, but really listen to and work for the rich elite.

This whole idea that we are condescending is another example of the out of touch Washington Elite trying to tell regular folk what to think.  It's the condescension of the real elite itself.  

This is another excuse by the selfish rich to ignore the problems of the average person, because it could be construed as condescending.

Americans are smart enough to figure out themselves who looks down on them and who looks out for them.

Educate, Agitate, Organize, Mobilize, Act!


Good Work! (0.00 / 0)
Some of your elevator speeches are a bit too wordy, but editing stuff down is always easier than getting a first draft written down.

Well done!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
You're right. We shouldn't condescend to conservatives. (4.00 / 1)
Instead we should frankly acknowledge their intellectual bankruptcy.

So conservatives want to be treated with respect? (4.00 / 4)
It's hard to have respect for an ideology which consists of avoiding the blame.

I'll Just Take This Where I Thought You Were Going To Go: (4.00 / 1)
"Well, respect has to be earned."

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
Why are liberals so condescending? (4.00 / 5)
I'm sorry but 300 years of fighting for America will make anyone grouchy.

Montani semper liberi

Tweak: (4.00 / 4)
Because 300 years of fighting for liberty and justice is enough to make anyone cranky.

Montani semper liberi

[ Parent ]
Paul, thank you so much (4.00 / 2)
for taking my idea here. It looks like we've got a good start, and I hope folks will tell their friends and keep plowing away throughout the weekend.

My own snappy one-line response is so expletive-filled as to be useless in any practical sense. I know my limitations. However I'm excellent at keeping an eye on the big picture, strategizing (or should I say "strategery"?), and cheering on and encouraging smart, clever progressives who are much better at witty retorts than me. That's my contribution.
So yeah, GO TEAM!


Thanks Again! (0.00 / 0)
It was a perfect suggestion!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
To someone who calls a liberal condescending: (0.00 / 0)
I'm sorry, can you please speak proper English? I can't understand a thing you're saying.

Con-decending is a teabagger
Con-ascending is a liberal

Calling a liberal condescending is like accusing someone who says vegetables are healthy of calling you fat. Liberals can't help it if Republican politicians are so insecure they take opposing ideas as personal attacks.

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Oh - and maybe that's why Republicans don't offer any ideas? (0.00 / 0)
- because they don't want appear like their attacking the other side - right?

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[ Parent ]
I say take it proudly as a compliment, totally unapologetically (4.00 / 1)
and throw it right back at them with a withering tone:

Heh, being a conservative, you WOULD say that.

Or:

It's not my fault if you failed recess.

Or:

Is that all you've got against us, attitude? Are you literally this intellectually bankrupt that the best you can come up with is that we hurt your feelings? SERIOUSLY? How old are you and when does your mommy pick you up?


"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

Wrong Again. (4.00 / 1)
Neocon: wrong so long it feels right.

To some an in-your-face correction might seem condescending. For most of us this is simple observation.


Perhaps this isn't the tone everyone's looking for but... (0.00 / 0)
Why are liberals so condescending?

Response: never conscending, just concerned citzens.

or if that has too much fluff, how about:

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you from "down" there.


Here are two (4.00 / 1)
A one-liner:
When someone accuses you of liberal condescension, call them out: "Is that the best you can do? Are you so afraid of my ideas that you whine about condescension instead of responding to them? Don't be a wimp."

A meme:
Liberals are interested in understanding and accurately explaining things. When an explanation is uncomfortable, some people respond* by accusing the person who's explaining of being condescending. That response doesn't mean the explanation isn't accurate.

*People are especially likely to respond this way if they are hidebound morons. Oh, wait...


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