Why Conservatives Can't Govern (The Political Duality Of Rep and Dem, Pt 2)

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 18:28


In The Political Duality Of Rep and Dem, I made the claim that Republicans and Democrats are inverted mirror reflections of one another:

(A) Democrats are reality-based when it comes to policies, and totally out to lunch when it comes to winning elections, and politicking in general.

(B) But Republicans are totally out to lunch when it comes to policies, and as reality-based as it gets when it comes to winning elections, and politicking in general.

And I argued that there is a deeper, more specific explanation for why this is so.  To lay the groundwork for that argument, I spent most of the diary laying out two related schemas for understanding human cognition in a stage-like developmental framework, and I presented an initial argument that liberalism represented a generally more advanced way of thinking about the world.  In this diary, I want to take one main example-the defining example of the "war on terror"-to flesh out that argument some more by showing how the "war on terror" is heavily dependent on a low level of cognitive development.  I will add some comments at the end about several other issues as well, to give the flavor of how such an analyisis can be generalzied into other areas as well. Then, in the next diary, I will look at how liberals and Democrats tend to be as clueless about politics as conservatives are about governance.

Paul Rosenberg :: Why Conservatives Can't Govern (The Political Duality Of Rep and Dem, Pt 2)
The War On Terror(ism) And Rosenberg's Three Styles of Adult Reasoning

As previously explained, Piaget was the pioneer in the scientific study of cognitive development, with a primary focus on reasoning about the physical world.  One of the ways he did this was by presenting problems involving processes which can demonstrate differing levels of reasoning.  Some of these have formal structures that can be directly translated into other domains, such as geopolitical conflict. This is what Shawn Rosenberg did.  He administered both sets of tests and showed that people tended to demonstrate the same level of cognitive complexity both in physical science querstions and in international affairs questions.

With this basic finding in mind, we turn to eight results of Rosenberg's research that are important for us.  Some of this will be repetitious of the first diary, but it's new material for most people, and I trust it will be more helpful than annoying.  I will also present-for reference, but  without explanation-a table that organizes how Rosenberg's schema presented in Table K-1.1 in the last diarey applies to international relations.

First, I cannot emphasize enough the associational, non-rational nature of sequential thought. It involves conceptual relations that "are synthetic without being analytic.  They join events together but the union forged is not subject to any conceptual dissection." Because it is non-rational, there is nothing rational one can say or do to change it.  With the aid of modern mass communications, it is possible to shape the entire consciousness of nation by manipulating sequential association.  Indeed, this is what mass advertising does on a daily basis.  It is what Hitler strove for so successfully, and what even much more innocuous political campaigns do as well. 

In addition, Rosenberg explains, these relationships "are mutable," they can either be extended, based on "share[d] recognized overlapping events" or changed, when the sequence does not play out as expected.  Because it is a pre-logical mode of thought, "the relations of sequential thought engender expectations, but do not create subjective standards of normal or necessary relations between events."  People who think this way can be quite unbothered by the fact our current enemies-Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, etc.-were once allies against other enemies.

Second, sequential thought is a perfect fit for the most basic and powerful forms of propaganda, which tend to drive out critical thinking in a crisis-precisely when they are needed most.  The perpetual repetition of certain sequences of words, images, claims and accusations-particularly when they are strongly charged with emotion-creates a political reality that may have little or no relation to actual reality.  By endlessly repeating such associational sequences, an atmosphere can be created in which it is difficult, if not impossible to assert the opposite, no matter how strong the evidence may be .  Because communication is intended to communicate, not just reflect the individual's thinking, when the entire culture becomes distorted by such techniques, it becomes increasingly difficult for systematic (or even linear) thinking to assert itself. 

This is precisely what happens in the grip of war fever, or in response to an atrocity-such as the terrorist attacks of 9/11.  The failure of systemic thought just when it is needed most is precisely what the terrorists were counting on-though of course they would never have put it that way.  Nonetheless, it is precisely that failure which Sun Tzu warns against, and which we must do everything possible to avoid.

Third, although systematic thinking represents the highest level in Rosenberg's schema, it has its own shortcomings.  In particular, Rosenberg notes, it suffers from dichotomies-frequently generating two different sorts of systematic approach that cannot be reconciled.  Rosenberg hypothesized a fourth level of thinking, but considered it too rare and undeveloped to study.

Fourth, as indicated in Table K-1.2, immediately below, the very nature of international conflict-even including the nature of the sides involved-is seen very differently by those at different levels.  If we accept that systematic thinking yields a better, more complete view of reality, then its description is the one we should prefer, even knowing that it, too, is imperfect.

Table K-1.2
Rosenberg's 3-Level Typology
With Respect To International Conflict
Derived from Reason, Ideology and Politics, pp. 185-189.*
I. General Structure of Conflict
Basic Understanding of Conflict
1-Particular event or sequence of events.  Leader/country trying to act & being blocked.
2-Opposition between sides pursuing incompatible aims.
3-Understood in context of international relations.
Sense of Aims
1-Little sense of aims of blocking country in relation to first country.
2-Incompatible aims between sides.
3-Multiple and possibly conflicting interests/aims on both sides.
Nature of Sides
1-Clashing leaders/countries with transient involvement of others
2-Two opposing hierarchically-structured alliances
3-Multi-sided conflict.  Each side may be alliance of countries, single country and/or interest group within nation. Sides are complexly structured with possible internal conflicts at various levels.
Sense of Conflict in Scope and Duration
1-Little sense of enduring or general qualities
2-Considered long-term, with general and enduring enemies and alliances
3-Not necessarily long-term or general; may exist along one dimension, but not others.
Role of Third Parties
1-Only considered in terms of specific actions
2-Considered as members of alliance, in hierarchical structure
3-Because view is systemic, "third party" concept is poor fit.*
II. Unfolding Dynamics of Conflict
Sense of Conflict
1-Specific situation of one leader/country wanting something and not getting it.
2-Clear sense of cause-one or both sides pursuing its ends without regard for the other.
3a-Accidental perturbation of integrated international order.
3b-Exchange between national systems involving both foreign and domestic concerns.
Who Produces Conflict
1- Without sense of cause, this is vague or arbitrary.*
2- Individual sides, who are held accountable.  Usually, one seen as victim, the other as offender.
3a- Systemic imbalance.
3b- Exchange between national systems, involving internal as well as external factors.
How Conflict Develops
1. One event simply follows on the next.
2- Specific actions happen for explicable reasons (see Explanation of Actions).
3- Systemic process. *
Explanation of Actions
1- None.
2- One side's explained in terms of inherent nature, other side's in terms of response.
3a- Each side's actions result from systemic disturbance.
3b- Each side's actions are both initiatives toward the other and expressions of internal affairs.
III. Resolution of Conflict
Concept of conflict resolution.
1-Does not think of conflict resolution per se. Resolution is simply what happens
2-Resolution when both sides are satisfied. 
3- Conflict resolution consists of establishing a cooperative and orderly exchange between the conflicting parties. 
Possibility of conflict resolution
1- Not considered. (See above).
2- Not likely:  Given conception of conflict as exchange between opposed sides with incompatible aims, joint satisfaction is unlikely. 
3. Here's How: Cooperative and orderly exchange is achieved by altering the conditions of exchange and/or by establishing mutual understanding of aims and methods. 
Further thoughts on conflict resolution
1- None.
2- Usually, resolution depends on the final domination (and subsequent incorporation) of one party by the other.
3- Altered conditions of exchange achieved by imposing new regulation (e.g. international law).  Mutual understanding achieved by education. 
Bottom Line:
1- Que Sera Sera.* 
2- Might makes right.*  Since joint satisfaction is unlikely, the strong shall prevail.
3- Justice.  Mutual accommodation offers only lasting solution,  Domination seen as illegitimate by victim, therefore inherently unstable.
  Key: 1-Sequential reasoning. 2-Linear reasoning. 3-Systemic reasoning.
* Asterisks mark statements based on a gloss of the text.  All other statements are quotes, condensations or paraphrases of specific passages.

Fifth, again referring to Table K-1.2, we see that the Bush Administration draws on a combination of linear and sequential thinking in formulating its "war on terror."  At the most basic level, when the world was told that they must choose sides in the "war on terror," this seemed to indicate a linear level of thinking across all the categories under "General Structure of Conflict." 

However, as we look more closely we discover distinct indications of sequential thinking in every one of the categories.  Consider:

  • The Bush Administration inattention to terrorism before 9/11 strongly indicates that the basic nature of the conflict was not perceived so cleanly or clearly, but was a matter of a "particular event or sequence of events.  Leader/country trying to act & being blocked."

  • There was certainly "little sense of aims of blocking country (or in this case, Al Qaeda) in relation to first country"-as seen in Bush's statement that the attacks came from those who "hate our freedom," ignoring and denying the existence of legitimate grievances which the terrorists exploit.  From the very befinning, the Administration gave free reign to supporters who bashed attempts to understand such grievances.  Indeed, the Vice-President's wife, Second Lady Lynne Cheney was intimately connected with the most ambitious attack on such understanding that was launched within weeks of 9/11.

  • Clearly, Bush wanted the "war on terror" to involve "two opposing hierarchically-structured alliances," a resurrection of his father's alliance in the Gulf War versus the "axis of evil."  But as all major allies except Tony Blair objected, Bush was quite willing to make this personal, attacking Saddam Hussein's Iraq (a secular nationalist regime, the arch-enemy of al Qaeda) and finishing the job his father left undone.  This fits perfectly into "clashing leaders/countries with transient involvement of others."

  • With talk of a conflict lasting generations, and justifying a return to Cold War-levels of military spending, the "war on terror" certainly appeared to be "considered long-term, with general and enduring enemies [the 'axis of evil'] and alliances."  Yet, the "axis of evil" had no known connection to al Qaeda or each other-indeed Iran and Iraq were still sworn enemies, just as al Qaeda was an enemy of both. Thus, the very foundations of Bush's concept of the enemy involved sequential conceptual relations that "are synthetic without being analytic.  They join events together but the union forged is not subject to any conceptual dissection."

  • Finally, the Bush Administration clearly wanted third parties to line up under its leadership, or else be cast as part of the "axis of evil."  However, the willingness to contemplate war with Iraq without any Arab or meaningful European support indicated a decidedly ad-hoc approach to third parties and alliances.

There is more mixture from this perspective than there is through the lens of another developmental perspective I've also explored on my own-but didn't want to include here for reasons of managability-but the end result is much the same: in the end, the lowest level of cognition tends to dominate.  The points above demonstrate that sequential thinking drives the underlying policy, while linear thinking constructs a "plausible" façade. But it is really plausible only if effective outside criticism is paralyzed by a climate of conformity, fear and intimidation, as indeed it has been, virtually uninterruted for over six years now, with potentially disastrous results for the long-term future of our country. We also see what's missing entirely-systematic thinking-which brings us to our next point.

Sixth, we can see that the Bush "war on terror" clearly misses significant insights from a systematic viewpoint.  Perhaps most significantly: (1) Both sides have "multiple and possibly conflicting interests/aims." (2) Conflict is multi-sided, with sides "complexly structured with possible internal conflicts at various levels." (3) Conflict is "not necessarily long-term or general," it "may exist along one dimension, but not others."  Failure to recognize such complexities is precisely what lead us to create our current enemies in our fight against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan-a fight we found enormously satisfying after our experience in Vietnam, but which has now backfired even more disastrously than the Vietnam War did.

Seventh--very importantly for our current situation-Rosenberg found that systemic thinkers could be remarkably prophetic.  One topic he specifically explored was terrorism and the Middle East.  The experiments were done in the 1980s, when Osama bin Laden was a little-noticed US ally.  The adversary was Moamar Gaddafi, whose name is barely mentioned anymore.  Yet, in response to the question of whether US bombing of Libya would stop the terrorism, one subject systemic thinker replied:

No, I expect it will simply exacerbate the situation.  If the support of terrorism is critical to Gaddafi's political position, he will continue to support it unless he is convinced Reagan might respond with a full scale invasion.  Even then, he may continue his support, if somewhat more discreetly.  In any case, the terrorism will go on without Gaddafi. (Emphasis added.)

Prompted with the question, "Why is that?" the subject continued:
There is a real impasse here.  There is a conflict over territory, over Israel and the American position on that issue.  I don't think we understand their view of the problem well at all.  And we will have to if any meaningful rapprochement is to take place.

Obviously, we have not been acting at this level of insight. 

Eighth, all the above is based on regarding Bush's "war on terror" as a response to terrorism.  But of course, there is very good reason to regard it as something else entirely-as some combination of the unfolding of the neocon's plan for unilateral world domination, and the Christian Zionists plan for precipitating Armageddon, with a healthy dose of neoliberal disaster capitalism thrown into the mix.  While both the neocon and the Christian zionist theocon views play a role, they are also clearly incompatible with one another.  The neocons want to assure American dominance for the next century. The Christian Zionists want to destroy the world.  These two outlooks can only co-exist in a framework of sequential thinking, where neither consistency nor logical contradiction matters. Thus, whether we take Bush's "war on terror" seriously on its own terms, or see it as a cover for other agendas, the same level of thinking dominates.

One final thought about Rosenberg's schema.  If we apply it to the terrorist attacks of September 11, we would expect sequential thinkers to retaliate against similar-looking perceived threats.  Invading Iraq makes perfect sense to this sort of mindest, regardless of any other considerations. We would expect linear thinkers to retaliate against Al Qaeda itself-the logical, linear cause of the attacks.  Invading Iraq is a distraction from the war on terrorism to this mindset, made worse by the fact that it complicates our relationships with our Arab allies.  Finally,  we would expect systematic thinkers to be primarily concerned with altering the conditions that allowed Al Qaeda (and other terrorists) to flourish in the first place.  Rebuilding Afghanistan would have been a top short-term priority toward this long-term goal.  Getting serious about Palestinian statehood would have been another top priority.  (And would have lead to an immediate, very serious response to the fall 2002 announcement of an Arab League proposal to recognize Israel's right to exist as part of a global settlement-a proposal that's been marginally in the news again over the last month or two, but that has generally been ignored, because it's so wildly at odds with anything the Bush Administration is actually interested in.0  These are not idealistic, humanitarian priorities.  They are straightforward pragmatic necessities, blindingly obvious from a systematic perspective.

Two Other Brief Examples: The "War on Drugs" and Abortion

I'd like to supplement the above exhaustive look at a single example with a few other observations about other examples, which I would like to deal with thematically, using a single example in each case to stand in for a number of other different examples.

First of all, a common movement conservative practice is to divide the world up into good and evil, and declare war on evil in a fashion that has no clear foundation in even a single simple causal explanation that one would find in linear thinking.  The foundation of such an approach in Lakoff's Strict Father morality is fairly straightforward, but Lakoff's argument is largely separable from the argument here.  (Lakoff does argue that there is a set of logical entailments involved, and I don't dispute this.  But these entailments act primarily to structure the issue landscape, which is a different subject entirely from what I am discussing here, which is how arguments are presented within that landscape. )

Here my focus is simply on the fact that a good-vs-evil framework drives the argumentative assumptions, so that logic can be dispensed with almost entirely.  A "war on drugs" means that we need not ask about why people might want to take drugs in the first place.  Nor do we need to ask if the war on drugs might cause more problems than it solves. Nor do we need to ask if there might be other high-priority problems we ought to pay more attention to.  These are all examples of systematic thinking that might lead us to question the "war on drugs" project-much less, of course, the obvious racism involved.  But we don't even have to go there to see enormous problems with the "war on drugs" if we engage in systematic thinking as a matter of course.

When liberals-or even just reality-based professionals, such as criminologists, public health experts, etc.-try to raise such systematic concerns, they sequential response is simply to label them as "soft on crime," as "pro-drug," as lacking "family values," or something similar.  It is simply inconceivable from within the sequential thinking framework that someone might agree with the assessment "drugs are destructive" and yet want to take a significantly different approach to dealing with them.  It is even more inconceivable that someone might agree on the wisdom of reducing and controlling drug use without thinking that drugs are inherently evil, but only that they are inherently risky, and that the risk alone is reason enough to take prudential action.

The example of abortion follows a related logic. Abortion is particularly similar in light of the fact that there is really no such thing as "pro-abortion activists."  The same activists interested in preserving the right to abortion are even more interested in the more basic issue of reproductive rights and empowering women to effectively exercise those rights.  And the most effective way to do this is not to get pregnant in the first place unless and until one wants to have a child.  Thus, the reproductive rights position is inherently structured by the logic of systematic thinking-even though an individual supporting reproductive rights may not have worked through all of this.  (This is not to deny that abortions sometimes become necessary even though the woman wants to have a child.  But, hey, this is a brief example.  We can discuss it all you want in the comments.)

Of course, such activists can and have identified areas in which they logically should be able to work with anti-abortion activists-such as preventive measures that can help reduce the need for abortions.  But these efforts have generally born little fruit, in large measure because the other side tends not to think systemicatically, and because they aren't really interested in abortion per se, but rather with forced childbirth.  What's more, they have a deep investment in their activism as a moral crusade-hence the comparisons to the Holocaust-which, of course, means they can't possibly cooperate with the other side.

Gay Marriage And Kegan's Schema

The issue of gay rights is particularly useful for considering as a way of illuminating the power of Kegan's schema.  The Level 3/Level 4 divide is all about making the transition from accepting the socially-defined rules, roles and relationships as fundamentally unquestionable life-defining facts to regarding them as a set of suggestiuons, about which one is free to make up one's own mind.  The notion that a gay couple getting married on the other side of the state somehow threatens my marriage seems absurd to me on its face-but that's because I'm not a Level 3 thinker.  I don't subconsciously define myself in terms of the roles, relationships and social expectations of the society in which I live.  Like all Level 4 or Level 5 thinkers, these things are all objects for me, not self-defining subject.

But, of course, as Kegan notes, there is nothing new about the breakdown of traditional society in the West.  It's been going on for hundreds of years.  And, indeed, our capacity to create new forms as old ones come under stress is one of our most important adaptive mechanisms.  Rather than destroying families, the capacity to create families in new forms is one of our most important conservative capacities, if by "conservative" we mean preserving continuity, connectedness with past, future, and present community, and stabilizing and bringing order to the flux of social relations. 

Indeed, this is precisely the point of Level 4-it is not about wantonly destroying the orderly constructs of Level 3 life.  It is about creating new forms, or improvising with existing ones, to meet the crush of contingencies that incerimental cultural change is simply too slow to handle.  And as such, gays and lesbians function very much as pioneers who have a good deal to teach the rest of us, since they have been forced to take the lead in such improvisation and creation.

This is very much the point of Judith Stacey's book, In the Name of the Family: Rethinking Family Values in the Postmodern Age, published 11 years ago.  From this perspective, supporting gay rights is not just something moral for us straight folks to do-it is a matter of supporting those who are on the forefront of creating new ways of being in the world that already are, and increasingly will be enormously beneficial for all people.

And don't look now, but with their incredibly high divorce rates, the folks in red states like Oklahoma could use all the help they can get on this count from their gay brothers and sisters.

Conclusion

Obviously, there is much, much more that could be said, but I think the point has been established-to a very significant extent, movement conservative ideas are simply incapable of working in the real world because they are simply too primative.  Furthermore, the primative nature of these ideas gets in the way of realizing that there is a substantially higher degree of agreement between liberals and conservatives.  When liberals say or do things that conservatives find threatening or offensive, it is often because they are not hearing what the core intention of liberals is.  This, in turn, suggests that liberals could be doing a lot better job of communicating to conservatives.  And, as the next diary in this series will argue, that ain't the half of it....


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strategy (0.00 / 0)
Still wondering what makes conservatives better strategists.

ditto (4.00 / 1)
to Matt's comment.  You've set up a strong and useful analytical foundation here.  I'm eager to see you apply it to the strategy question.  I'd speculate that the Repub strategy equation is a relatively small number of system thinkers who manipulate a large number of Level 2-3 thinkers, doing their best to keep them at Level 2.

Why the Dems fail at strategy is the more puzzling question to me.  My gut feeling is that while the Rovians' past success is based on keeping people stuck in Level 2, ours will come from moving more of us up from Level 3 to Levels 4 and 5.  My personal feeling is that real solutions to today's problems require a healthy dose of Level 5 thinking.  In short, the Rovian path is one of devolution, while the progressive path is one of evolution.  The former always rears its ugly head, but the latter will hopefully prevail.  If not, our collective goose is probably cooked.  We've built too complex and dangerous a world to solve it any other way, at least as I see it. 

Let's hope that natural selection works to select higher level thinkers in the Dem community, and that this higher-level Dem community develops the skills to survive and thrive politically, and to transform the Dem ecology with a healthy dose of democratizing and educational systems and technologies.  That in turn will help more citizens move from Levels 2-3 to Levels 4-5.  My sense is that a window of opportunity is opening, and that, if it closes, the next one may only be opened by someone throwing a molotov cocktail (or a nuke) through it.  I hope we don't get to that point.  I prefer the Internet as a tool of revolution (or evolution).


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Fear and simplicity sell, reason and complexity don't (0.00 / 0)
Put simply, the right began to win when it started to appeal to the heart and gut, and not the mind. Whereas Dems began to lose when they started doing the exact opposite. Obviously, this is an oversimplification that doesn't take into account dirty campaign tricks, election fraud, gaming politicals and the legal system, etc. But in essense, the right realized decades ago that making rational, logical, factual, reasonable appeals to the public doesn't work, especially when countered with sound bite-based appeals that bypassed the rational brain and went right to the emotional and reptillian brains.

I.e. "Fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" is more effective than patiently explaining why it's more complicated than that. And they've basically run their politics based on that since Nixon. They realized that it's a lot easier to win people over by appealing to their fears, ignorance, laziness, selfishness, greed, immaturity and stupidity, by offering tough-sounding and easy to digest "solutions"--and spreading a healthy coating of fake piety, morality and praise to make them not see or be able to ignore this--than by appealing to their intellect and humanitarianism with more sophisticated, reality-based ones.

They did this not only electorally, i.e. getting people to vote for them, but organizationally, i.e. getting people to join and work for them at all levels. They have their YAFs, Luntzes, Roves, Heritage Foundatins, AEI's, etc.--all of which have been dedicated to the development and implementation of such non-rational, reality-challenged, gut-level "conversion" campaigns--while we continue to have far fewer--and least of all ones that are designed to and capable of winning over the vast non-aligned middle.

Put another way, they've developed and adopted very effective mass-market marketing strategies, in this instance based on peoples' less admirable emotions and qualities--e.g. fear, xenophobia, prejudice, greed, ignorance, insecurity--to win over wide segments of the population, electorally, organizationally and ideologically, while our side has not. Which, I think, is to our credit in terms of our not having developed equally effective lowest common denominator-based mass-market marketing strategies, but to our discredit in terms of our not having developed equally if not more effective NON-lowest common denominator-based ones.

Instead, we've come up with endless variations on Adlai Stevenson, Eugene McCarthy and George McGovern, who, admirable as they were as leaders and men, the right has been able to effectively cast as ineffectual, mealy-mouthed, peacenik fools who weren't fit to lead the country. Which says to me that either we've picked the wrong leaders, or else we've failed to "sell" them more effectively. Probably both. Just look at the relatively few Dems who've been able to beat the right over the past 50 years--JFK, LBJ, Carter and Clinton. Aside from Carter, whose presidency was a bit of a fluke, the others, whatever their true qualities, were able to present themselves as different from and more instinctively appealing than more traditional Dems. And they won, to a large extent because of this.

It's not that there's anything inherently wrong with our values, policies, goals or people (well, for the most part on the last one, certain members of congress being obvious exceptions). It's that we just don't know how to "sell" them effectively, and not just in terms of messaging, but in terms of organizing behind the scenes in ways that make "selling" them more effective--e.g. having our own think tanks, media outlets, strategists, etc., who can counter those on the right in grabbing those for-grabs people in the middle (and doing it without selling out our values and policies, of course, as opposed to DLC-type organizations and strategists).

It's not like I'm saying anything new here. We've known this for a long time. And yet we've still not been able to act upon it effectively. Thankfully, the right's self-destruction has bought us some time, and we should do OK in '08 despite our being behind the curve here. But beyond the next election cycle or two, we really need to address this serious shortcoming, or the right will just lick its wounds, reorganize and repackage itself, and come back fighting with yet another, even more sophisticated and likely vicious variation of its decades-old approach to politics that is based on fear, lies, smears, tricks, false promises and fake hope (and even now we can make out its general outlines in how they're pre-framing that "debate" to be about how peacenik Dems sold out their country and stabbed its patriots in the back by "surrendering" in Iraq and on the GWOT, while at the same time scheming to raise taxes and enlarge the government and spread their godless values to our children).

We need to get better at thinking like them. Not to be like them, but to be able to counter them. And we need to get better at messaging, appealing and organizing BEYOND the already engaged and informed left, and onto the far larger disengaged and uninformed middle. There's a coming "hearts and minds" war, and we need to win it if we're to sustain our majorities beyond the next few election cycles.

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


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Loving this information, though (4.00 / 2)
I haven't anything constructive to add.

Well, except maybe a question, in response to Matt's comment. Seems to me that the lower levers are sorta more basic, and function in times of stress as fallbacks. That is, so even if my approach to international relations is Level 3, I can easily understand, perhaps even identify with, and occasionally use, Level 1 type approaches. But the reverse isn't true. This grants conservatives more power, explains why they're better at appealing to more basic visceral, reactions.

That is, -everyone- understands, and on some level responds to, villification. Only a few people understand and respond to a cooperative exchange of aims and methods.

Additionally, it's intrinsic in the higher levels to try to understand the lower.

And, finally, sometimes the lower levels are -right-, at least prescriptively. Often not, but sometimes. And the higher levels, valuing mutual understanding, want to acknowledge that; but when they do, the lower levels kinda suck them in, or think this proves they're absolutely and always right, because they can't understand the objections, the reason they're often -not- right.

Hm. Now I'm confusing myself. Well, I'll wait for your next installment.


Confusion Is Good (0.00 / 0)
It's how we work through new ideas, new information.  We have to muck around and see for ourselves how--or even if--things fit together for ourselves.

But, actually, I don't think you sound very confused at all.  Which makes you a quick study.  Already got the confusion out of your system.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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you don't sound confused to me (4.00 / 1)
And you raise an important and real challenge.  That's why I suggested the evolution analogy in my comment, as well as the risk this human experiment could end up a messy failure. 

But, just as crises can bring out the worst and lowest human tendencies, they also can bring out the best and highest. War's a dramatic example of that, though I don't say that from any direct experience.

If I was inclined to be religious, I'd say that God gave us both tendencies and let us loose on the world to see how it'd turn out.  Over the years, I've become more and more of an optimist in that regard, though my reasons are more personal and intuitive than empirical in any sort of social science way.  It can feel "good" to get revenge and feel simplistically "right".  But it feels fundamentally better to feel compassion, kindness and empathy--and the real strength that accompanies them.  And I believe that if people get enough of a chance to experience both options, most will choose the latter.

That's why Rove et al needs to keep the masses in an angry and scared Level 2 mode.  It shuts off the higher levels of thinking and emotion.  That leads me to appreciate Paul's expansion of Fuller's theme which, as I recall, was "dignity and security for all."  Fear is a powerful force, and there's way too much of it in today's America.


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I guess my question is, (4.00 / 1)
do 'Rove et al' keep some of us at level 2, or simply appeal to the level 2 that's already in all of us? That is, are we in a certain level, or is a certain level in us?

I think the latter ... mostly. If you have level 5, you also have 1-4. So an advertisement, a crisis, a talking point, can activate  your level 2, maybe, even if you're often a 4. But the reverse isn't true. If you're a 2, level 4 arguments sound like jabber to you, like moonbat puffery. They simply make no sense.

For example, most of us can appreciate something like Sin City, or Dirty Harry, on a certain level. Even if it's a guilty and juvenile pleasure, we still understand waht's fun. It activates--I'll use your term--less evolved pleasure centers. But enjoying Syriana is a bit tougher. (And this isn't just political; V For Vendetta strikes me as a leftie version of 24, or close enough.)

Wow. I really blow though a lot of words trying to say: Lowest Common Denominator.

But I don't really know what to -do- with this, other than try to educate the hell out of everyone, ourselves included.


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Elaboration Is Good (0.00 / 0)
Wow. I really blow though a lot of words trying to say: Lowest Common Denominator.

This is how we, as a community, come to understand new ideas, by riffing on them.

It's a good thing.  If it weren't for theme and variations, a whole lotta composers would have starved to death. 

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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So should I dig up a copy of Bitches' Brew? (0.00 / 0)
Speaking of endless riffing... ;-)

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)

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I agree Joel (4.00 / 2)
We all have (and sometime manifest) the lower levels, and education (including oneself) is key to countering that devolutionary tendency.  And education can take a range of forms, not just "schooling" or overly complex arguments.  And there's also an emotional component to the evolution that enables clearer thinking about complex systems.  One manifestation of this is less frequent and less exaggerated perceptions of threats to one's ego.  Those perceptions tend to trigger what some people call the "lizard brain," which deals with things like "fight" or "flight" responses (at least I think I got that right).

Your point highlights why I keep coming back to media issues, especially given the huge amount (and nature) of TV and other media consumption that goes on in this country.  Educating a culture where the average household watches more than 8 hrs of TV fare is a challenge.
See this link for a graph of how the US stacks up to other countries in avg daily HH TV viewing.  I just Googled it and  was shocked.
http://www.economist...


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The rest of the world is just watching soccer (0.00 / 0)
Not only do Americans watch more TV, they watch extremely bad TV.

I also like your assessment of the "fight or flight" response. Keeping in mind the fear which has been cultivated in this country since WWII (and only worse after 9/11), the masses largely respond to their lower brain-stem impulses. Under these conditions, higher brain function is not possible.


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Wow (4.00 / 1)
I can only hope that this wonderful diary gets the readership that it clearly deserves. I hope that a way will be provided on this site for people to easily find and go back to it without having to vaguely remember it and do a search for it (apologies if there is such a way, but I'm still a fairly new reader of this site and given how extensive its offerings are and design is, I'm not up to speed on all that).

Anyway, I couldn't possibly do justice to this diary by responding in similarly exhaustive and authoritative manner, so I'll just make a few quick comments. The gist of this diary, as I understand it, is that all the wonderful, exhaustive, sophisticated systematic analysis that we on the "left" might like to engage in tends to be for naught when it comes upon the far more blunt, but effective, rhetorical devices employed by the right to shut down and really negate the effectiveness of such analysis.

E.g. we say "an overwhelming abundance of highly credible and meticulously researched studies suggest that the phenomenon of global warming is quite real, manmade, and ominous in its long-term implications, and demands that fairly drastic measures be taken to address it immediately".

And they say "Phooey. Lots of studies show the exact opposite, the earth has been warming and cooling forever, we're not facing any crisis, and you tree-huggers need to calm down and get a life and realize how out of step you are from mainstream Americans, whose jobs you want to destroy with your far-left radical fringe ideas".

And lots of "mainstream Americans" buy it, or at least are left believing that there really is an ongoing and as-yet unresolved debate about global warming, when there basically isn't, except in the finer details and at the margins, but not in its principle claims, and so take away the belief that perhaps it's all about bunch of "hot air" (so to speak), and nothing to really worry about.

Same with evolution--there ARE issues within evolutionary biology (upon which all of modern biology is based) that haven't been resolved, which could be said about any issue imaginable (including, um, Creationism). Or, really, Iraq--hey, the surge has had "some successes" (which it has, here and there, on a very local and likely non-transferrable, scalable or sustainable level), so maybe it has "succeeded" (which it clearly has not).

Throw rhetorical sand into the finest, most carefully constructed and factually sound argument, and if your audience is unprepared, unable and/or unwilling to weigh one against the other rationally--which is usually the case when it comes to the general public, which lacks the expertise, time, interest, attention span and grounding in advanced rational thought for this--you will essentially lose the argument, because you will have been prevented from having been able to make it and have it seriously considered.

This is the present reality. It's not that we don't have great arguments for our positions and against theirs on just about every issue--we're swimming if not drowning in them. It's that we're not very good in communicating them in ways that will get people to take them more seriously and hopefully embrace them, as they have the right's for decades (e.g. small government, free trade, endless tax cuts, preemptive war, are all good). And we're also not very good in knocking down the other side's "arguments" (really more clever and effective marketing slogans and campaigns than arguments, of course) in ways that are likely to hit home with everyday Americans.

This is, of course, evident everywhere, most notably on TV in those awful talking heads segments where the "leftie" tries to make a sophisticated, thoughtful, factual argument, and the wingnut slams it down with "hot words" like "weak", "far-left", "radical" and "unpatriotic". I've sensed a slight improvement in this recently, but we've clearly got a lot of catching up to do in the communications department, in terms of winning these essentially rhetorical and not rational "arguments".

And the key to doing that--until, that is, some magical day comes when the public is more interested in and able and willing to actually research and think about these issues more thoroughly than it currently is--is to forget about trying to win the rational debate--because, until the other side is actually able and willing to have one, simply cannot take place, and has not been taking place--and focus on winning the rhetorical, gut-level debate. I.e. the one that most Americans are going to care about and pay attention to, as opposed to the intellectual one that we tend to make but which most Americans neither care about nor are able to really process.

Even a fool like Chris Matthews gets this, in his recent takedowns on his show Hardball of some of the more odious wingnut shills like Melanie Morgan as they try to support the Iraq war. He realizes that most viewers lose interest when the debate turns to statistics, geopolitical theories and soft terms like "peace" and "diplomacy", and instead respond to words like "failure", "troops killed" and "lies". We need to do more of this, I think, when trying to appeal to everyday Americans, who simply do not respond to the sorts of highly rational and fact-based arguments that we tend to make in support or or against this or that positions.

We also need to get away from defending our positions--especially in such ineffective ways--and move towards attacking and debunking the other sides' invariably dishonest, illogical and contemptuous attacks on our positions. We shouldn't have to defend what are, to any thoughtful and knowledgable person, clearly the logically and factually superior positions. They stand on their own, and anyone who can't be bothered to understand them isn't likely to be swayed by a 30 second sound bite--especially when countered by another 30 second sound bite that is short on substance but long on rhetorical cleverness.

Instead, we should be attacking the rhetotical attacks that their attackers make against them, by debunking them, and making those who present them out to be the liars and idiots that they clearly are, by putting the onus on them to defend their positions--asking tough questions and presenting easily understood facts that undermine their arguments.

E.g. how did Iraq threaten US national security? What did Iraq have to do with 9/11? Where are those allegedly hidden WMD and can you prove that they existed? How does Al Qaida's calling Iraq the "Central Front in the War on Terror" (which, btw, seems like a funny way for a PRO-terror group to refer to its war OF terror) actually make it so--if they declare Belgium to be the new front, are we going to invade it next? How do you explain the melting polar ice caps and holes in the ozone layer? Why is the economy going south, prices going up, jobs being lost, the deficit going out of control, and the real estate market collapsing if Bush's tax cuts have been so great? When exactly has Ajmadinejad threatened to nuke Israel, when he claims that Iran isn't even developing nukes? And so on.

Ok, not so quick comments. But the basic point is that, while we should certainly continue to develop, refine and articulate suitably and necessarily sophisticated arguments amongst ourselves in support of or against this or that position--and for anyone who cares and is able to follow them, as not everyone out there is Joe Sixpack--when it comes to winning over the wider public, and "winning" the "debate" with the other side, we need to do less debate society and academic arguing, and more gut-level and emotional arguing. I.e. less ivory tower, more down in the trenches--but on our terms, i.e. no ad hom unless in response to ad hom, no lying, no distorting, etc., but the truth, simply and convincingly presented, and their lies, simply and convincingly debunked.

Whew. A bit longer than I'd hoped. ;-)

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


But Good Stuff, Nonetheless (0.00 / 0)
Whew. A bit longer than I'd hoped. ;-)

Some of this will be dealt with more in the next couple of diaries, too.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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good point kovie (0.00 / 0)
It brings me back to a point Paul made in an earlier post (and  will probably raise in the next phase of his multi-part diary).  Progressive message are most effective when they speak to all the layers.  I believe that's very doable, but that it requires a number of things. 

Since TV is such a dominant force and, as it exists today is such a controlled, limited and distorted medium, it aggravates the inherent challenges of communicating and educating about our very complex world.

Another aspect--especially in the video medium--is for the messenger to be "genuine"  or "authentic," meaning that they really believe and feel connected to what they're saying, preferably down to their core.  I'd contrast that to the Senate-speak and candidate-speak practiced by so many DC Dems.  This kind of communication just doesn't connect with people, and has very little power to persuade.  Often its not even really heard.  Examples of smart Dems that strike me as being more genuine and "connected" in this way are Wes Clark, Jim Webb, Russ Feingold, Jon Tester, and the Edwards.  Not surprisingly, these folks tend to get more than their share of support from the netroots which, in some ways, represents a mass-scale cry in the wilderness for authenticity, integrity, intelligence, vision, honesty and courage from our political leaders...a little like the guy in Network that screamed out the window that he was "made as hell and not gonna take it anymore."  The web is our window.  The difference is that we're realizing that a lot of other folks have opened their window...so we're doing a bit less screaming and more discussing, planning and building.


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True (0.00 / 0)
I agree, this has to operate at multiple levels. And long-term, we should certainly try to foster a public that is more politically aware, engaged, thoughtful, etc., and create mediums in which issues can be discussed and analyzed in a more rational and mature manner than is presently possible on sound bite-based TV and such. But this is going to take a long time, and will never be perfectly attainable. And in the meantime, as we work on that, we should also focus on winning people over using existing and prevaling mediums and modes of communication and influence. Which means, in part, engaging with more passion and gut-level intensity, and a bit less wonkiness and logic, which most Americans DO NOT respond to and find off-putting.

Superficially--and a lot of this is going to be won on relatively superficial levels--we need to put a bit more JFK and even LBJ in the party, and have a bit less Dukakis and Kerry. At least when it comes to how we try to engage the public. (It's one of the reasons that I prefer Dodd and Obama over Clinton, but only one of them--there's real passion and appeal there.)

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


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Cycles within cycles (0.00 / 0)
Liberalism is social expansion. Conservatism is civil consolidation. It is a natural cycle of expansion and consolidation. The current problem is that these are not real conservatives. Ideolgolically they are libertarians. Anti-state. Throughout history, the essence of conservatism is the civil authority which binds society. Waving the flag, grabbing the money and spitting on the Consitution isn't patriotism, or even conservatism. It's treason. The current batch are a coalition of cultural conservatives for whom the progress of the last century have left cold and economic conservatives who think wealth should only rise up and never precipitate back down.
  The fact that they don't have any real respect for the civil compact makes them weak and that is becoming increasingly evident. The question is how to leverage the coming economic meltdown that will remove any shred of validity from the current elite, into a stronger society.
  My theory is that the fact that money is a form of public utility needs to be emphasized. Here is an essay on the subject;

  Revolution Happens

Humanity is rapidly approaching a crossroads, where we will begin cooperating on a scale that we never have before, or we will descend into a state of warring tribes like we have never seen before. Appeals to the conscience only work on those willing to listen, while it is the less altruistic who need to pay the most attention. If there is one thing that does get people's attention, it's the money.

In 1996, Bob Dole had a campaign slogan, "We want you to keep more of your money in your pocket." The first thought to cross my mind was, 'Thank God it's not my money, or it would be worthless.' The logic of this is that the actual currency doesn't belong to the holder, only its value. The monetary system is a function of government, which in a democracy is the people. Therefore money is actually a form of public commons, similar to a public road system. Instead of transportation, it's a system of economic exchange. While you are in total possession of the section of road you're driving on, its value is due to it being connected to those everyone else is on. So is the value of the money in your pocket due to its broad interchangeability. It is not an issue of socializing wealth, but of understanding what money is to begin with. Your home, business, car, etc. are private property, but the roads linking them are not. Money is more like the public road system, than private property. It provides a broad economic connectivity, without which the economy could not function.

Money has always been a form of public utility (Render unto Caesar...), but because it evolved out of barter and for much of history was minted out of precious metals to gave it inherent value, the issue of function has been confused with the issue of possession. Now all monetary value is a matter of public trust in government accountability and this is being abused to the breaking point. It was only a generation ago that the wealth of governments were still symbolized, if not based on the gold in the treasury. For many countries, it's now how much US dollars and debt they are holding. This is not a stable situation. When the liquidity bubble does burst, faith in the concept of printed money will be shaken to its core. In order to restore faith in an invaluable economic tool, it would be useful to emphasize this public function. There is no longer a gold standard and it is the taxpayer who bears ultimate responsibility for government obligations.

Here is a little history to consider in understanding why we are where we are.

The money supply has to grow along with the economy. Inflation is caused by the supply of money growing too fast, so the law of supply and demand makes it worth less. Interest rates are raised to slow the growth of the money supply, when the economy is reaching peak potential, since the amount of money might expand faster then the economy is able to grow. During the late sixties and seventies, the money supply was allowed to grow faster then the economy in order to pay for Great Society programs, the Vietnam War and the oil crises. By the end of the seventies, inflation was spiraling out of control and Paul Volcker was given the job of taming it by raising interest rates as much as it would take to do the job. This led to a serious recession, but by 1982 inflation had peaked and he could take the pressure off.

There is a minor logical hitch to this scenario, though. By raising interest rates to the point of causing actual economic harm, he was reducing the growth of the economy and therefore the need for money. How do you reduce an oversupply, if you also reduce demand?

The Federal Reserve fine tunes the size of the money supply by buying and selling government debt. To put money into circulation, they buy government debt with fresh money and to take money out, they sell debt they are holding.

In 1980, Ronald Reagan was elected on a platform of what his primary opponent, George Bush, referred to as "Voodoo Economics," i.e. increased spending and tax cuts. The result was a serious increase in deficit spending. Now ask yourself, if the Federal Reserve sells debt to reduce the money supply, wouldn't the Treasury issuing fresh debt have the same effect? By 1982, the deficit was getting close to 200 billion and that was real money in those days. The dramatic growth in deficit spending by the US government was a significant factor in bringing inflation under control.

The borrower/producer/spender is the engine of the economy, with the saver/lender as the fuel tank. While it seems inflation is propelled by those who want to be paid more, both producers and labor, taking it out on borrowers doesn't bring supply in line with demand. Inflation is caused by the government putting too much money into circulation and the reservoir of surplus money in the economy is what is held by the saver. Earnings are taxed more then savings, so tax cuts put money into production, rather than savings. Government borrowing draws money out of savings and spends it in ways that increase and support private sector investment, through increases in services, infrastructure, security, etc. This compounds the demand for money.

At the time, economists were concerned government borrowing would crowd out the private sector, but the government issues whatever people are willing to borrow at the short term rate it sets, by buying back government debt. The problem is long term rates are set by the market and with inflation, people are more inclined to buy assets, than lend money, so the supply of money to borrow is limited and the cost , interest rates, goes up. If there is a lot of money around, but inflation isn't a concern, people lend it for whatever the market pays and long term rates go down. So the secret of our unstoppable prosperity is to have lots of money running through the system, to keep rates down and production up, but not have any start to clog the arteries and cause inflation to rise. The question is finding ever more places to invest and spend it, but the long term productivity of all this growth tends to decline. The result is fewer small business cycles in exchange for a large one.

Normally only as much money can be saved, as can be effectively invested, otherwise it causes inflation of asset prices. So where would all the money the government borrows be going, if the government didn't borrow it? The stock market? Real estate? Inflate the derivatives balloon a little more? The economy is flooded with about as much money as it can hold. If the government wasn't borrowing lots of money and recycling it through the public sector, there would be a lot less money needed all the way around and this would be inflationary. Government debt serves to support the value of the money, as well as the economy.

What will be the long term effect of this borrowing and how will it get paid down? Recently some mid-western states have sold public highways to private investors and they have been turned into toll roads. How soon until Yellowstone goes on the block? Private armies buying surplus warships? It would make sense to tax more savings from those most able to afford it, but this usually causes such people to find other ways of storing wealth. If we were to understand money as a public utility, it might better define how to manage wealth to help the larger community and environment.

In the seventies, the national economy was mostly based in the US, and inflation percolated through it, with prices and wages increasing together. Today the global economy keeps prices and wages in check, so consumer inflation is moderate, but low interest rates are creating an enormous speculative bubble among investors. Eventually it will pop and send a tidal wave of surplus money back into the regular economy, driving up prices far more then wages. Until then the gap between the rich and everyone else will continue to expand at ever increasing increasing rates, as inflated asset prices turn investment capital ever more rapidly into play money and more is needed.

In some third world countries, the politicians skim off enormous wealth, and we can see it is economically unproductive and socially destructive, yet those running our financial and industrial institutions to do the same and claim it is simply a cost of doing business. Only as much total money can be saved as can be effectively invested, otherwise it is inflationary. So these oceans of private money reduce the ability of the average person to save and invest. Endless wealth accruing to those in positions of power will eventually come to be understood as economically barbaric, and we will climb one more step up the evolutionary ladder.

Everyone needs some amount of wealth in order to both be secure and to have a commitment to the larger system. Some need more then others, like a truck needs more road then a car. Those with none have less consideration for society and are governed more by fear than respect. Those at the top need to remember that a stable society is as important to them as to everyone else. If money were thought of as a public utility, it would have definite psychological effects. People might be less inclined to define their personal ego in terms of the size of their bank account and start leaving natural wealth undisturbed, while investing more effort in their communities and environment. A healthy economy, a healthy society and a healthy environment do not have to be mutually exclusive.

Growth is bottom up, not top down, so capitalism is at its most vibrant when wealth is most evenly distributed. The problem with treating the economy like a game of Monopoly is that when one person controls everything, the game is over and you start again. In real life this stage is called revolution.

Money is a public utility, not private property. Pass it on.

John Merryman
Sparks, Maryland

http://www.extermina...



Clear on revenge, empty of empathy (4.00 / 1)
Paul Krugman's contribution to this thread:
http://www.nytimes.c...

Mark Crispin Miller, the author of "The Bush Dyslexicon," once made a striking observation: all of the famous Bush malapropisms...have involved occasions when Mr. Bush was trying to sound caring and compassionate.

By contrast, Mr. Bush is articulate and even grammatical when he talks about punishing people; that's when he's speaking from the heart. The only animation Mr. Bush showed during the flooding of New Orleans was when he declared "zero tolerance of people breaking the law," even those breaking into abandoned stores in search of the food and water they weren't getting from his administration.



That's A Great Book (4.00 / 1)
And a perfect example of how our media culture utterly ignores what's staring it right in the face.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

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Have you read "Bush on the Couch"? (0.00 / 0)
A friend whose opinion I value on such things made a positive comment about it yesterday (though it may have been based on an interview with the author, not actually reading the book).  According to Amazon, a revised version will be published next month.

This reminds me of an article I read awhile back (can't remember where or who wrote it) about the unfair and factually incorrect treatment by the DC press corp of Gore vs Bush.  It made my blood boil, not just as a progressive Dem, but as a citizen who values the democratic process and recognizes the  powerful role supposed to be played by the press. 

Perhaps not all, but much of the DC press corp suffers from a variant of the disorder that saturates that town.  In some respects it is a particularly nasty strain of the bug.


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this is outstanding (0.00 / 0)
The issue of what differentiates liberal from conservative has plagued political science for a long time.  Most of the answers to date are necessarily vague, ie "it's about equality versus tradition" without a useful framework that could predict what positions each ideology would take on a given issue.

As a subscriber to the idea of applying psychology to politics (as in Bob Altemeyer's The Authoritarians, I am very open to this use of developmental psychology to solving the problem.

Of course, it is open to the facile criticism that it places conservative thinking at a fundamentally lower tier, and therefore should be dismissed for the inherenti incivility and perhaps smug superiority of it.

This is troublesome not as any kind of a substantive refutation of your diary, but just in terms of having this idea reach wider acceptance.

So to that I ask:  Are there examples of conservative thinkers who manage to qualify as level 4 or 5 thinkers and yet maintain a conserative world-view? 


Well, There Are Level 5 Reactionaries (0.00 / 0)
Post-modernism can be used to attack liberalism for quite reactionary purposes.  An example of this sort of intention can be seen in the comments to Glenn Greenald's diary yesterday.  The intention was there, but the inept commentator couldn't quite pull it off.  When I pointed out and explained his use of two particular fallacies, he responded by name-dropping a sprinkling of 20th Century thinkers, a mix of structuralists, post-structuralists and the Frankfurt School, muttering about how obsolete 19th Century binaries are.

I challenged him to explain how any of this justified his use of fallacious logic, which only lead to an increase in ad hominem attacks.  But there are folks who make more serious attempts along these lines.

In particular, in The Beast Reawakens: Fascism's Resurgence from Hitler's Spymasters to Today's Neo-Nazi Groups and Right-Wing Extremists, Martin Lee describes a postmodern-style move by neo-Nazis to push an ideology of pluralistic ethnic purity.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Wonderful diary, wonderful comments (0.00 / 0)
I don't have a lot to add, except to say thanks for all the analysis that goes on here.  I try to quote diaries from Open Left when I post on local blogs in NH, I want people to think about some of this stuff as we try to build a lasting Democratic Party in NH. 
I am also a local activist in small town NH, and understanding my fellow citizens is essential to working with them to solve the really difficult problems we face at the town level.  In case you didn't know, we still have town meetings around here, and do a lot of non-partisan stuff.  We run our towns mostly on volunteers, which is really challenging these days, when most people are desperately trying to keep their heads above water. 
Understanding how people think, and then deciding who is "safe" to ask to get involved is a big piece of finding those volunteers.  Someone who turns out to be a wingnut can do a lot of damage in a short time, as we found out last year. The town elected a couple of people who literally couldn't govern to our board of selectmen, who are the executive of the town.  They used a very "sequential" argument, "we will cut your taxes."  Then they proved incapable of doing anything except yell at people and try to get goodies for their friends.  Sounds familiar, doesn't it?  I used to call the ringleader George Bush, Jr.  He was exactly who GWB would have been had he not been born rich.

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