No one friggin' understands Senate procedure

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Mar 01, 2010 at 15:18


Democrats have a lot of worry about on health reform.  They have to worry about the bill being unpopular.  They have to worry about the American people not knowing what is in the bill.  They have to worry about coming to a final agreement that will get enough votes for passage in both the House and the Senate (check out this post for a good rundown of the current state of votes the House).

What they do not have to worry about are Republican attacks over the use of the budget reconciliation process.  This is because no one friggin' understands Senate procedure, and the use of any sort of that procedure is never going to result in any significant blowback from the American people.

Over the last month, mainly by citing polls, I have made quite a few arguments that the country does not understand, or really care about, Senate process.  However, leaving polls aside for the moment, consider an exchange I had with former President Bill Clinton about this subject back in September.  Even he didn't understand Senate process (more in the extended entry):

Chris Bowers :: No one friggin' understands Senate procedure
President Clinton, who is just about the most lucid and articulate politician I know, discussed a wide variety of topics during the meeting. As seems inevitable these days, the supposed need for sixty votes in the Senate arose on multiple topics. As examples, President Clinton talked about how his health care plan was defeated because it didn't have 60 votes, how the climate change bill that passed the House right now only had 54-55 votes and would not pass the Senate in its current form, and how 60 votes were needed to pass most, if not all, of health care reform in 2009.

Toward the end of the meeting, because the nuclear option and the artificial 60-vote requirement in the Senate has been on my mind, I asked President Clinton the following question:

President Clinton, I have a quick process question.  Isn't it possible--not necessarily desirable, but at least possible--to break any filibuster in the Senate with only 51 votes through the use of the Nuclear Option?

Much to my surprise, in response President Clinton said both that he had read my piece on this (I came late to the meeting and didn't even introduce myself before the question, so he was telling the truth) and that he was not certain exactly what the nuclear option was. He indicated that he had recently talked to Hillary about this subject, since she had been in the Senate and it was more her area of expertise. Apparently, she said that reconciliation was the nuclear option (FWIW Emptywheel thinks he said the same thing).

Sheepishly, I told him that the nuclear option was different from reconciliation. I explained that it can be used to end any filibuster or other delaying procedural tactic with only 51 votes, with the most famous example being the Republican attempt to end the use of filibusters during judicial confirmations in 2005. He responded that he thought that question had never been resolved because the Gang of 14 pushed it off, but that he would look into it more.

For those of you who are worried this anecdote means that Republican charges of budget reconciliation being the nuclear option will stick, don't be.  The real lesson here is not that President Clinton didn't know what the nuclear option was, but that even a recent President of the United States was unfamiliar with Senate process.  As was, apparently, his wife who spent eight years in the Senate.  And as are, apparently, some of the more prominent journalists in the entire country.

Republicans can say whatever they want about Democrats supposedly abusing Senate procedure.  It isn't going to resonate with anyone, just as Democratic charges of Republicans abusing the filibuster haven't resonated with anyone (or, at least, with anyone who is actually an undecided voter).  Almost no one understands this stuff, largely because almost no one cares about this stuff.

Democrats don't need to worry about Republican attacks on the use of reconciliation.  In fact, they should welcome those attacks.  The more Republicans babble on about Senate procedure, the whiner, weaker, and more abstract they sound to the country as a whole.  Let them attack Democrats over the use of reconciliation.  Counter it by completely ignoring those attacks, and instead focusing on what you think is good about the bill.  The more Republicans talk about Senate procedure, the more they are giving Democrats a free pass to make whatever substantive messaging they want to the public as a whole.


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I don't think Democrats ARE worried about this. (0.00 / 0)
But they may want to convey that impression if it doesn't look like the Senate Bill can pass in the House. They can allude to the difficulties in reconciliation to mask problems with the vote in the House.

I would consider a statement by Harry Reid that reconciliation will be pursued with the aim of satisfying House concerns to be a sign that 216 votes in the House are likely. Conversely, with no such statement, the House will probably never vote on this, because it would fail there.


Is this the new talking point by the Administration (4.00 / 1)
This is popping up on multiple sites now claiming "oh it can't pass the House."

It already passed the House.

The fear mongering is ceasing to even make sense at this point.


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Really? (0.00 / 0)
You have just demonstrated to me that you are not serious about this issue. The bill that passed the House has no possibility of getting 60 votes in the Senate.

It probably could not even get a majority in the House today.


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why are you talking about 60 votes in a post about (4.00 / 2)
fillibuster reform?

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Wow! (0.00 / 0)
I could have sworn that the post was about the use of the budget reconciliation process. I guess that I just don't understand the English language.

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re: reconciliation (0.00 / 0)
you said
The bill that passed the House has no possibility of getting 60 votes in the Senate.

you don't need 60 votes in reconciliation. 50 are enough.

am I missing something?


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I disagree (0.00 / 0)
Chris I think you seriously underestimate the GOP's ability to reframe this in a manner that avoids talking about Senate procedure.  If I had to guess, I'd say they will frame it as an undemocratic trampling of minority rights and an attack on the Constitutional system of checks and balances.  It'll be condensed into a punchy little talking point by the likes of Frank Luntz and repeated by all major GOP players and pundits for days, and the media will repeat it ad nauseum because it's a powerful accusation against the majority and therefore newsworthy.

What's important (0.00 / 0)
Is that it shifts Republican attacks away from arguments based on actual policy.  In fact, Democrats might benefit from not making their own serious, substantive policy arguments and instead focusing on painting Republicans as practicing "politics as usual".

Just remember that focusing on process is also going to disinterest people when talking about terrorism or crime and punishment.

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BigTuna (0.00 / 0)
Are you from the DNC or the DLC or the DCCC?

WHO cares what they say?  The Dems need to grow SPINES and attack back (for a change)!!!!!!!


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Did FDR "worry" about all of this? (4.00 / 1)
NO, he had a BACKBONE, despite his physical condition. His legs were paralyzed, but not his mind.  He did what he had to do, because it had to be done. LET THE CONSEQUENCES BE DAMNED!  Our 2 most recent Democratic presidents are the complete opposite of FDR. They are afraid of the Republicans.  They are afraid of the corporations.  They are afraid of their own shadow! They worry to the point of inaction, or they dilute the action to the point of nothingness.  They are  spineless wimps in Democratic "sheep's clothing."  

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