Lib/Dem Political Ineptitude--A Prelude (The Political Duality Of Rep and Dem, Pt 3a)

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 13:26


In my Part Two of this series, Why Conservatives Can't Govern, I argued that (a) the world is simply too complex for the Level 3 conservative mind [in Kegan's typology] to handle and (b) movement conservative political discourse often doesn't even rise to Level 2.  This raises the obvious question: if they're so stupid, and we're so smart, then how come they're running everything?

The simple answer is: wealth and power.  But a secondary answer is that they're not all stupid (besides which, cognitive complexity and intelligence are two different things)..  In this diary, I'm going to lay some groundwork, and then begin discussing how the lens of cognitive complexity can illuminate why conservatives have been so much better at politicking, when they suck soooo bad at governing.

Paul Rosenberg :: Lib/Dem Political Ineptitude--A Prelude (The Political Duality Of Rep and Dem, Pt 3a)
The Problem Restated

It's a well-known fact that college tends to have a liberalizing effect on people.  The exposure to different points of view does that to people.  But it's equally well-known that a lot of college graduates are still Republicans, even conservatives.  Furthermore, the impact of college on promoting cognitive development has also been widely noted-well, at least within the field of cognitive development.  From all this comes an interesting question:  What are these people thinking?

Equally puzzling-and quite related-is the question of why liberals and Democrats have been so consistently politically inept for so long, given that they're much more sophisticated, as a whole, when it comes to policy analysis.  This diary offers my answer to these questions: Level Four Republicans focus their attention and higher level cognitive skills on getting what they want, rather than trying to understand the world in a broadly objective manner.  This is a rather straightforward consequence of their interests and values, which are not substantially changed by growing more conscious.

The notion that conscious evolution inherently equates to a similar growth in moral and ethical responsibility is just one of those liberal myths that comes from hanging around with people whose parents raised them right.  Not everyone is like that.

Development vs. Interest

One of the main points of Kegan's approach to cognitive development is that he stresses a common structure of consciousness that applies across the full range of cognition.  There is clinical evidence for this, but it does not mean that people actually use the same level of cognition at all times.  Indeed, there is strong empirical evidence that specialized knowledge does not translate into other contexts-and, indeed, does not necessarily get assimilated by those directly and repeatedly exposed to it.

For example, even college biology students, who learn in detail about evolution can retain the mistaken, but commonplace folk  impression that evolution is essentially progressive, as if higher intelligence were the whole point of it, despite the fact that there are so staggeringly many more insects than there are higher mammals.  Thus, an important part of education is not simply the inculcation of new knowledge, but the much more difficult elimination of old, false knowledge.  In short, capacity to think at any level is no guarantee that one will think at that level, as opposed to simply relying on what one already thinks one knows.

Above all, one must be interested in something in order to pay attention to it, and think about it, and one must be very interested indeed to pay so much attention that one will willingly discard what one thinks one already knows.  This is difficult enough on an individual basis, but when one is part of a social group, it is all the more difficult.

Someone at Level Five may be much more capable of sophisticated moral reasoning than someone at Level Three.  But if the person at Level Five dislikes struggling with human problems (as, for example, many physical scientists do) while the person at Level Three has spent their life wrestling with moral dilemmas (counseling troubled youth, for example), then the Level Three person will have a much firmer grounding, a much surer instinct, and a much stronger motivation to address, understand and solve problems.

And this, then, is the fundamental key to all that follows: conservatives are much more interested in power, control and running things.  Indeed, it is their most central concern. Liberals are much more interested in understanding things, making things work, sharing the fruits of these endeavors and furthering the unfolding of human potential-all of which amounts to an incredible dissipation of attention, since it leads to limitless different forms of endeavor, while power-seeking focuses on just one.

This difference is captured by many different writers and researchers in many different ways.  It can be seen in George Lakoff's Strict Father and Nurturant Parent models for conservatism and liberalism, for example.  It can be seen in the Social Dominance Theory of Jim Sidanius and Felicia Prattom with its characteristic "Social Dominance Orientation" (SDO) that Robert Altemeyer called "the other authoritarianism." And it can be seen in Phil Agre's article, "What is Conservatism And What Is Wrong With It?" that was the focus of attention at MyDD shortly after the 2004 election, just to name a few prominent examples.

The Really Big Picture

Humans evolved as small-band hunters and gatherers.  We lived in relatively flat social hierarchies, and were generally peaceful-which is not to say without conflict.  But we lived in an environment where there was lots of space, and the optimal solution to conflict was simply moving on. Our lives were dominated by the logic of cooperation.  Small bands needed that to survive on an ongoing basis, and bands generally needed to cooperate for survival in longer time-frames.  (The payoff for bad behavior in a single encounter was generally not worth it in the long run.)  Relatedly, we had relatively few possessions, and our survival and well-being depended largely on non-zero-sum resources: knowlege and skills.

This state lasted for tens of thousands of years, roughly until we ran out of space. That's when agriculture started catching on in a big way.  Large-scale settlements, large-scale surpluses, not-so-flat hierarchies, and, oh yes, wars.  The more possessions we had, the less secure we became.  Our lives became dominated by the logic of competition.  Only here's the thing: competition only succeeds in dominating us because it exploits the continued presence of cooperation.  If everyone was competing all the time, and no one was cooperating, then nothing would actually get done.  And thus, the logic of cooperation was always alive, even where the logic of competition appeared to be all-defining.

This started to change in Western World with the Italian Renaissance, when the lost classical heritage that had been preserved by Islam was first transmitted back to the West, and began a process of reorienting the entire culture around worldly knowledge, and non-zero-sum logic of cooperation.  The foothold for this logic was small and tentative at first, but it grew, however unsteadily, from generation to generation.  With the printing press, the information revolution really started to take off.  The static wealth held in land was challenged by the growth of commerce and manufacturing-the later eventually gaining an enormous boost in the industrial revolution.

In Western Europe, the primary political division was between these two centers of wealth-the old, static aristocratic conservatives, and the new, dynamic, bourgeois liberals, though of course both groups had plenty of internal divisions, with some very conservative aspects to bourgeois culture, and some very liberal aspects found in at least some parts of the aristocracy.  America, as a settler nation, had a somewhat more chaotic political landscape.  Particularly after the Civil War, the bourgeois elites-the megawealthy robber barons and their surrounding social sets, subjects of Edith Wharton's novels-became the centers of a new, contradiction-riddled conservative philosophy that continues to this day.  It combines the hierarchy and fixation on eternal principles characteristic of land-based aristocratic conservatism with the dynamic competition of the marketplace, which does everything imaginable to undermine eternal verities and fixed hierarchies-at least when left to its own devices.

There was just one thing: not only was this philosophy internally contradictory, it failed to deliver what it promised.  True, some people did become fabulously wealthy.  And the general wealth of society substantially increased.  But so did the poverty of a substantial, and growing number of people-immigrant labor in the East, independent farmers in the West, and sharecroppers in the South.  It took two generations of struggle, but finally, after the massive collapse of the Great Depression, a more reality-based politics came to the fore, and with the New Deal, America's national welfare state was born, creating a mixed economy in which both competition and cooperation were given their due.

This arrangement finally laid the groundwork for broadly-shared prosperity, such as the world had never seen before.  Movement conservatives simply hated it.  The Civil Rights Movement gave them their big opening, and white racial backlash became the foundation on which they began to take back their lost power.  Every advance of formerly subordinated groups-blacks, women, Mexican-Americans, gays and lesbians, etc.-became an opportunity for conservatives to further extend their resentment-based backlash politics, a politics that never actually delivered any substantial material benefit to those it appealed to.  At the same time, the pace of technological and economic change accelerated rapidly, and the political opening arose to begin massive exporting of manufacturing jobs.  While historically, the social liberalism of equality for women, minorities and gays arose as a result of economic liberalism, so the two were inextricably joined, the new realities of incipient "globalization" created conditions for undercutting economic liberalism, even as the cultural momentum for social liberalism continued to expand.

A key to the successful spread of conservative ideology was the weakness and complicity of organized labor in the United States, and in turn a key to this was the McCarthy-era purges of Communists, ex-Communists and fellow-travelers from the ranks and leadership of almost all organized labor, with the resulting takeover by a decidedly culturally conservative leadership, symbolized by the leadership of AFL-CIO chief George Meany.  Under Meany, labor was increasingly often a culturally conservative force, failing to educate its members about the need to embrace new allies, overcome old prejudices, and develop an independent political analysis, rather than taking their lead from business, party politicians or other sectors.

This is the context in which conservative elites proceeded, over time, to build a political power structure of well-funded institutions specifically to make war upon the liberal New Deal order and everything it had given birth to.  Throughout the Cold War, they used the labels of "Communism" and "creeping socialism" to marshal their attacks, but their real enemy was simply the mixed economy that all of Western Europe adopted--in somewhat scattered  fashion from the 1880s through WWII, and then in highly organized form out of the ashes of that terrible conflict.  That mixed economy was very much driven by pragmatic concerns, with only the broadest of ideological frameworks.  In contrast, the movement conservative counter-attack was highly ideological.  And this, finally, is where this big-picture story brings us back to the topic of cognitive development and the political successes of movement conservatism.

Reflection, By Way of A Preface For What Is To Come

It is commonly assumed that liberalism and conservatism comprise two similarly constituted entities, and there is some superficial truth to this supposition.  However, as the above overview suggests, liberalism is much more oriented outward, toward the diversity of the world, it is driven by an engagement with reality and the human condition, dating back at least as far as Renaissance humanism.  Conservatism, on the other hand, is driven by a concern with hierarchical control and its justification.  It is much more ideological in the sense of being impervious to what happens in the world, and being guided solely by its beliefs.  In short, liberalism is empirical, scientific, reality-based, conservatism is doctrinal, religious, faith-based.  This is true even of secular, free-market conservatives.  They worship them their saints, be they Frederick Hayek, Milton Friedman, Alan Greenspan or Ayn Rand.

On the other hand, there is a sense in which conservatism has no ideology.  If one looks back at the chart of Kegan's levels from "The Political Duality Of Rep and Dem", one sees "Ideology" as object at Level 5, meaning it is subject at Level 4 (although not shown on the chart), and is not present at all at level 3.  What is meant by ideology in this sense is an organizing structure of political ideas. To really have such ideas, and not merely reflect on their surface appearances, one must be able to stand outside of the political system they describe.  This is why such ideas cannot be fully accessed until one reaches Level 4.  Being able to treat such ideas as objects for reflection, inspection and analysis implies having a context for evaluating them, and ideology is the name for what that context is.  However, at Level 4, one does not have that context as an object to reflect upon.  One has that context as subject to reflect with.

Level 3 conservatism has none of this.  It simply accepts the status quo as the way the world is, and the way the world is is the way it should be.  God wills it so.  By its very structure, Level 3 cannot question the world it is embedded in.  To question that world is to destroy it-and destroy the Level 3 self as well. What the Level 3 self does have, in place of ideology, is a catalog of virtues.  As noted on the chart referred to above, it has "Enduring Dispositions" as objects, and those enduring dispositions that are most praiseworthy are what we commonly call "virtues."

So long as the world does not change, or changes only relatively slowly, we can get by just fine by relying on such virtues, as contextualized by our various social roles (what is subject at Level 3).  But it's the nature of the modern world that change has accelerated to the point that the old roles no longer work in all situations, and thus the virtues prove inadequate as well.  Indeed, Kohlberg's work with moral development was facilitated by posing dilemmas in which there was no "right' answer, in which two different sets of values collided.  The failure of virtues in a Level 4 world is thus just one example of a repeated phenomena: as each level is pushed to its limits, the old moral guidelines need replacing with more subtle ones.

The conservative rap on this is that liberals have no values at all, or that they are moral relativists, who will allow anything.  But this simply reflects the Level 3 inability to reflect on its own subjective foundations which it mistakenly takes to be absolute.  Level 4 recognizes and acknowledges that subjectivity.  But that hardly means that "anything goes."  Rather, it means a more particular attention to the specifics of each individual case.  In In Over Our Heads, Kegan compares Level 3 to driving a car with automatic transmission, and Level 4 to driving stick.  The kinds of decisions that the culture as a whole (the automatic transmission) makes for one at Level 3, one must make on one's own at Level 4.  Of course people can make mistakes, but they can also respond much more consciously and intentionally as well, taking into account important distinctions that broad cultural rules cannot possibly do justice to.

There are, of course, Level 4-and even Level 5-conservatives out there.  They are, in principal, capable of constructing ideologies that are comparable to liberalism's level of systematicity.  Generally, however, they do not do this.  Instead, they tell stories.  Newt Gingrich did this in several books, and in the cable broadcast course he taught while Speaker. Francis Fukiyama did this in The End of History.  Stories are narratives, they are a form of sequential thinking.  They can, of course, be logically constrained.  They can be multifaceted. They can be incredibly convoluted and complex.  In short, they need not be limited to sequential thinking.  But sequential thinking is where they are grounded.

The classic conservative narrative is the narrative of The Fall from Grace in a past Golden Age.  If only we can return to some past Golden Age, all will be well and good, conservatives tell us.  The classic liberal/progressive narrative is the opposite-the narrative of progress.  But conservatives in recent decades have excelled at co-opting liberal narratives, and casting past narratives of progress as proof that we have already achieved everything worthwhile-and somehow lost it again.  Thus, the immigrant experience of past generations is not a lesson we can carry forward in our own lives, or a source of compassion for those living that experience today.  Instead it is a source of entitlement-"My ancestors came here legally, and they struggled hard to give me a better life, and those people are just trying to steal what my family had to work hard for."

While liberals and progressives have by far the greater number of storytellers, conservatives have gained an incredible strategic advantage by harnessing the storytellers the do have, and widely disseminating their stories.  They have also inculcated storytelling into the activities of activists at all levels, and in all manner of different roles.  Above all, conservative media figures, such as Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly, are predominantly story-tellers.  They routinely tell outrageous lies precisely because that is the purpose and their function: they are mythmakers.  And liberals have an incredibly hard time dealing with this, in part because they do not understand that myths are absolutely vital for us as human beings-and that some myths can be absolutely true.

This is one of the great disconnects in liberal politics today.  We have the majority of storytellers.  And the majority of real-life stories, too.  And yet our political establishment disdains these strengths.  Hollywood's money is fine. Their creative input is not simply not wanted-it is despised.  We're going to take a closer look at this--and other disconnects--in our next installment.

(Unless, of course, my muse runs away with me. We shall see.)


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To help me (and perhaps others) digest and comment on it, I'm excerpting sections of Paul's post below:

Level Four Republicans focus their attention and higher level cognitive skills on getting what they want, rather than trying to understand the world in a broadly objective manner.  This is a rather straightforward consequence of their interests and values, which are not substantially changed by growing more conscious.

The notion that conscious evolution inherently equates to a similar growth in moral and ethical responsibility is just one of those liberal myths that comes from hanging around with people whose parents raised them right.  Not everyone is like that.

You seem to be saying that moral and ethical development are not directly related to the evolution of higher levels of cognitive skill. That makes sense to me, and seems like an important distinction to keep in mind.

And this, then, is the fundamental key to all that follows: conservatives are much more interested in power, control and running things.  Indeed, it is their most central concern. Liberals are much more interested in understanding things, making things work, sharing the fruits of these endeavors and furthering the unfolding of human potential-all of which amounts to an incredible dissipation of attention, since it leads to limitless different forms of endeavor, while power-seeking focuses on just one.

This graf seems to reiterate the prior point, adding to it that liberals' perspective and interests leads to "an incredible dissipation of attention" from the perspective of mounting a focused effort to achieve political goals.  That also makes sense, though I'd add that, if we focus sufficient attention and resources on developing and executing successful political strategies, we will have the added benefit of majority support on the issues that are really important to American citizens.

There are, of course, Level 4-and even Level 5-conservatives out there.  They are, in principal, capable of constructing ideologies that are comparable to liberalism's level of systematicity.  Generally, however, they do not do this.  Instead, they tell stories.

...While liberals and progressives have by far the greater number of storytellers, conservatives have gained an incredible strategic advantage by harnessing the storytellers they do have, and widely disseminating their stories...liberals have an incredibly hard time dealing with this, in part because they do not understand that myths are absolutely vital for us as human beings-and that some myths can be absolutely true.

This is one of the great disconnects in liberal politics today.  We have the majority of storytellers.  And the majority of real-life stories, too.  And yet our political establishment disdains these strengths.  Hollywood's money is fine. Their creative input is not simply not wanted-it is despised.  We're going to take a closer look at this--and other disconnects--in our next installment.

I think this point about storytelling and myths is very important.  It seems additionally ironic in that Bill Moyers, a leading progressive voice, created a unique multi-part TV series discussing the power and meaning of myths with Joseph Campbell, a leading and deeply enthusiastic expert in this area.

My reading of your post suggests that this DC Dem disconnect from the power of mythmaking and storytelling is a key failure that merits high-priority attention and action.   I'd like to hear more thoughts from you and others regarding the reasons why the Democratic political establishment "despises" the creative input of Hollywood, and how we can change this.  At the end of this comment I suggest a strategy for essentially bypassing it.

This point also reminds me once again of an old MyDD post by Matt's brother who was (and maybe still is) working in Hollywood as a screenwriter.  He made very much the same points Paul makes at the end of his post, and exhorted progressive Dems to harness the storytelling power of their Hollywood allies to the task of communicating with the American people and winning elections and other political battles.

Why DC Dems haven't followed the suggestions made by Paul and Matt's brother (and, according to Paul, are strongly disinclined to do so) seems like a topic worth serious thought, followed by a seriously-focused course of remedial action.

One thing it suggests to me is that maybe the netroots should reach out directly to the Hollywood community--and also to the web-video community--and develop innovative strategies for achieving what DC Dems seem unwilling and unable to do.

Hollywood has the resources and talent.  The web-video community has a rapidly expanding technical infrastructure for producing, packaging, distributing/sharing, rating and remixing video and multimedia content. And both of these communities tend to be politically progressive. The netroots, meanwhile, brings to the table a vast, already interconnected and passionate mix of audience, creators, editors, recommenders and distributors. 

I may be wrong, but this three-way alliance seems like an alliance that could go a long way toward helping to reverse the problem Paul discusses in this post.


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In the interests of thinking practically:

One thing it suggests to me is that maybe the netroots should reach out directly to the Hollywood community--and also to the web-video community--and develop innovative strategies for achieving what DC Dems seem unwilling and unable to do.

It would seem that low-budget, quick-turnaround local cable spots would be one way to leverage small amounts of money with particularly talented people to have a disproportional impact.

Other thoughts, people?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I think a compelling but relatively low-budget video message could achieve fairly broad exposure and impact via the combination of free web/viral distribution, combined with local cable spots (relatively inexpensive, potentially highly targeted, but limited in reach based on cable penetration rates). 

This could then get the attention of the MSM, which could do what they've done for too many right-wing messages, given them endless air and discussion time.  It needs to be the "right" content at the "right" time, of course, and could also benefit from PR backup on multiple fronts, including the blogosphere.  Having Hollywood talent--which might be donated--involved should help achieve the goal of "compelling quality."

In the last two election cycles, some large cable operators offered free carriage of longer-form political messages on their video-on-demand systems, which have proliferated even more since that time.  For internal reasons, they want more and more customers to use their VOD systems, and have tended to make it available to content providers and customers on attractive terms to facilitate this transition to on-demand viewing.  As far as I know, not much happened with this in 04 or 06, which I found frustrating.

As I recall, some talented Hollywood friends of Bill Clinton (pretty famous, but the name alludes me right now) produced a long-form campaign video for him, which I believe was pretty well received, though I wasn't paying close attention to politics then, so am a bit fuzzy about it. 

I think these same folks did a similar video for Wes Clark, who I supported in the 04 primary season. I thought the video was powerful. We had some discussions on the Clark community blog about ideas to get wider, more grassroots-based, and better integrated (with other campaign efforts) distribution of the  video, but I don't think much came of it, especially as DC insiders took more and more control over the Clark campaign.  And, of course, the Clark campaign did not last all that long.

With the evolution of technology, long form video can be distributed online, as well as on VOD (maybe for free), and by DVD.  The latter could be via mail, but could also be downloaded and burned to DVD by "local activist-distributors" who could hand-deliver copies to friends, neighbors, etc., and, as has been done before, use them as focal points for local group viewing-discussion-planning sessions.  The technology is also there for these local "communication managers" to remix and repackage the content to better suit their local community and target viewers.

I wrote some diary posts at MyDD in 2006 with some potential relevance here (though these mainly focused on potential next-steps for the MyDD Adwatch campaign).  I'll try to revisit what I wrote during the 2004 primaries and in 2006 emails to the head of a web-video company, and pull together an OL diary post with some more ideas.
http://mydd.com/stor...
http://mydd.com/stor...

A key, as I see it, is to integrate these more decentralized and lower-cost modes of distribution (and, to some extent, production and editing), into the non-virtual grassroots-based elements of the progressive movement and related political campaigns--including field work (as suggested above) and fundraising (e.g., some funds could be raised to create and distribute certain messages, as MoveOn and others have done).

Centralized and decentralized efforts don't have to be opposed to each other (though they often tend to be).  The beauty of the Internet is that it is a malleable software-based platform that can be adapted to support innovative and dynamic organizational structures.  Perhaps this characteristic can help combine the fairly centralized Hollywood talent with the highly decentralized netroots in ways that leverage the strengths of both.

To get back to Paul's question:
I'd suggest integrating into the media mix: 1) targeted cable spots; 2) cable VOD; and 3) DVDs, including web-based distribution to local "communication manager" who integrate use of the DVDs with local grassroots efforts. 

I just remembered one idea I had awhile back, which ties into the cable possibilities: It might make sense to try to work out "spot + VOD" deals with cable operators.  This might be based on 30-second spots on some of their high-value networks (high value for progressive messages, that is).  These spots would include the option for viewers to follow the ad with one of multiple long form videos carried on the same cable operator's VOD system (e.g., this could be as simple as putting one or more VOD channel numbers at the end of the spot, with a brief message something like "to hear more about candidate X's healthcare plan and what it means for your family, go to channel 987"). 

This might appeal to cable operators because it would help them capture some spot advertising business from broadcasting (something they've wanted to do for a long time), and also attract more traffic to their VOD platforms (also something they're eager to do).

Depending on what cable operators were willing to do, we could create a mix of videos focused on particular topics and of various lengths.  They might also be willing to work with us in terms of tracking viewing metrics, which they have the technical capability to do.

They'd like us even more if we could demonstrate that their carriage of our "spot + VOD" content increased their customer counts, including those signed up for their higher-cost "digital" tiers (which are needed to access VOD content).  This translates directly into near-term revenue and longer-term strategic value for cable operators.

Cable ops might also be willing to promote (and also carry) the VOD content on their web portals which, in the case of Comcast at least, gets pretty good traffic.  This idea of "multi-platform" content (e.g., VOD and web) is getting to be a pretty big deal in the cable industry, and also for the major telcos, as they roll out their own video services (e.g., Verizon's FiOS and AT&T's less-capable and less-available U-verse).

A point can be made that cablecos and telcos are not very friendly to progressive politics.  That's certainly true to some extent, but if you speak their language and offer them something they value enough, their commercial interests tend to be the dominant driver of most of their decisions.  And while some of them might wish the netroots would disappear, they probably do not welcome situations where they have to tick up off and face the increasingly noticeable consequences (e.g., note Verizon Wireless' recent decision to back down from its political text-messaging policy).


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I forgot to mention that technology exists to efficiently create "customized" versions of spot ads that could be targeted specifically to particular cable networks and geographic "zones."  The techs been around since at least 04, though I'm not up to speed on how widely its been deployed.  But my understanding is that its something cable operators are eager to develop, since it leverages some of their unique strengths relative to broadcasters.

This "customizing" could then be tied to targeting systems based on analysis of cable franchises and "advertising zones" in relation to voter registration and other geo-coded political dbases.  It could also be linked to survey data that analyzes political attitudes, behaviors, etc. to viewing of particular cable channels and programs. I did a survey like that back in the mid-80s as my masters thesis (with some pretty interesting results), but I've got no idea how much of it is done today.

My suspicion is that the entrenched political consultant class views cable-heavy strategies as involving too much work, too many new learning curves, high risk and questionable payoff for them.  That doesn't mean, however, that this same equation would apply to a netroots-backed effort, which brings very different strengths and motivations to the table than DC consultants.

Of course, there's the question of resourcing, both financial and staffing.  Not insurmountable it would seem, but certainly needing to move up on the priority list to become a reality.  I have some relevant expertise, tools and data, but am already over-extended, and far from being ready to take the lead on this anytime soon.


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Clinton's Hollywood Buddies (0.00 / 0)
Are Harry Thomason and Linda Bloodworth Thomason.  They did some TV shows (the one with Burt Reynolds and, I think, Designing Women).  The Thomasons also did a bio of Bill's that was played at the 1992 Democratic Convention, "The Man from Hope" IIRC.

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I've been looking into blog supported SMS texting.

Why?

Because my type of 'organizing' with Drinking Liberally takes me into lots and lots of restaurants and bars where I find lots and lots of people from 25 to 35. The sort of people who rarely come to our bi-monthly meetings but who are heavily impacted by the 'conservative' stranglehold on the economy. The classic individual who has a B.S. or MFA or better and who is behind the bar or a server. These people are fertile ground I believe but you've got to reach them and the way you do that is through their cellphone. By texting at present. With video clips in the very near future.

Sorry to be so OT but this is an area where the infrastructure, production and distribution, is just over the horizon. And it's self generating. You would not need Hollywood. I can lay my hands on half-a-dozen indigent videographers in and evening. All eager to make clips. All pissed of at an economy that doesn't let them.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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Can you explain more of what you have in mind and how it might work?  Self-generating is good, as is using cellphones, especially for young people. 

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I've spent many an evening with my younger acquaintances as they  text each other. This is their preferred way to use their cellphones. When the laptops come out, generally in the hands of the night's DJ the instant messaging with attached pics and mp3 files starts up.

Everyone is plugged into YouTube to exchange cool band clips as either URL, very easy, or attachments, next easiest. Many musicians have their own myspace pages and create and upload their own videos to self-promote. Their's a huge underground of people doing all this for free because they want to create.

As I understand the next generation of cellphones here in America, you can do this already in Yurp and Japan will be able to receive and play video on the phone. Some of my acquaintances already do this with the right provider and phone.

Viral music distribution is already several years old. Political vid clips exist on the Internet...just a matter of time before they hit the phone....
and go viral.

Unless we lose the Net Neutrality Fight.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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GOTV via text messages (0.00 / 0)
I just caught this on the Nation website:
http://www.thenation...

A new study from the New Voters Project, a non-partisan organization that registers youth voters, shows that text messaging may be the most effective form of election-day voter mobilization. Not only did it increase turn-out during the 2006 election more than traditional methods such as phone calls, flyering, and door-to-door canvassing, it was by far the cheapest, costing $1.56 per vote generated, as opposed to $30-60 for other methods.

The study was conducted during the 2006 election by sending text-message reminders to vote to over 4000 randomly chosen registered voters. Researchers found that the messages increased the chances of a recipient voting by 4.2 percent.



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I think a Level 3 thinker does have an important insight: that communities are built on traditions. They are not only built on interests. However, the breadth of the community depends on the breadth of interpretation of the traditions. People believe that there can be cohesive groups based on the sort of "gang symbols" such as kind of head covering that Shalom Auslander mentioned in the NYT last week. The ability to reflect on traditions makes the group adaptable across time, and gives it the humility to say that the society it has built is the reflection or symbol of the more traditional society but has not replaced it. (For example some Christian nationalists seem to believe that the context of ancient Israel has been transferred to contemporary America almost completely.)
For example I am skeptical about the idea of a "Living Constitution". The mass of precedent and constitutional amendment influences how we understand the Constitution. It makes us adaptable. It distances us unavoidably from original intent. But we should attempt to reflect that intent as much as we can and not say that our understanding is the Constitution. 

Darkness has a hunger that's insatiable, and lightness has a call that's hard to hear.  

Damn stupid post (0.00 / 0)
How does this sort of thing apply to a "tradition" such as marriage where we don't have a text or a story?

Darkness has a hunger that's insatiable, and lightness has a call that's hard to hear.  

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History (0.00 / 0)
Your outline of human history, starting with cooperative and egalitarian hunter-gatherer societies and shifting to hierarchy and settled societies and beyond, is probably the best writing I've seen from you so far in this series and your other posts.  As someone who disagrees with you a lot on other issues, I wanted to make an effort to give you props for the things I do agree with.  This series of posts is very interesting, well worth reading.

Hi (0.00 / 0)
I signed up in order to cross-post a certain diary for Paul to read. Diary has not been written yet.

Darkness has a hunger that's insatiable, and lightness has a call that's hard to hear.  

Nuance (4.00 / 1)
Thanks for getting some interesting ideas going.

I'd suggest though, that you consider adding a serious dose of nuance to all this.

For one thing, the 'level' a person adopts may change according to circumstance.
Thinking, imagining and other abstract activities fit into an overall functioning of the person, and that person has certain basic concerns.

The tools you use in a situation have a cost, for example how complex they are; how much time they take; how much deep, sustained, precise, narrow focus they take; how much information they require to be gathered; how predictable their results; how definite or specific the outcomes they predict; what sorts of answers they provide; what aspects of the problems of life they resolve; how deep they take you into meta-concerns and deep life concerns.

When you move up towards greater abstraction, all these costs tend to go up.
On the other hand, as you point out, you can handle more complex puzzles, which simply can't be addressed with less abstraction.
But, it's also true that in a particular circumstance, a simple and obvious answer can indeed work just fine, even if only by accident.

People may enjoy greater abstraction simply because they like that, and not view the 'costs' as actually costly.
Others may like less abstraction and not view the 'limits' as limiting, experientially speaking.
But any individual can agree that costs exist, and that different approaches change the experience of cost.
Cost-minimization is a huge deal to human beings, as far as running their own internal world.

Unless you like the costs (and thus they are not costs to you), then further costs are only ok to the degree they clearly and obviously deliver better value, and to the degree you perceive yourself as having extra energy to spend on those additional costs in any case.

There is no overriding law that says more complex is better, the value being in the results delivered, and that having to do with circumstance.

A more abstract method can create higher costs, but other factors also tend to boost cost or stress.
Immanent danger, especially when sustained over time is one example.
Having to deal with a resistant, inefficient, convoluted bureaucracy is another.
When there are lots of costs in the situation we face, then costs overall are already high, and there's a desire to choose methods which don't further increase the costs.

So, some people are captivated by simpler approaches, because they appear more efficient, less costly, and maybe, just maybe, just as effective.

We can see this in ourselves even if we are quite abstract as persons.
When I go to grab something to eat from the fridge, I go into a very simple mode, because there's no point in introducing abstraction, complexity and related costs.

The real questions then are:
As individuals, do we have the capacity to access lots of different 'levels' so that we have a really wide set of options to choose from?
and
Are we making the right choice as to method, for addressing the current situation?

People who never use complexity, or never use simplicity, are likely to end up with a very narrow band of options, and thus under-perform.
People who have a rigid mapping of when to use certain methods, may also not make the best choice.

To be fair to many who have been pulled towards 'conservatism' in the last few decades, I think that motion can be seen as a push-back at 'knee-jerk complexity'
On the other hand, 'knee-jerk simplicity' is just as much of a problem.

If we can simply advocate using all our capacities, the whole set of them, and choosing the best fit at any moment, then we can promote an approach that any person can find true.
Then you can simply be reality-based about what is possible and what's the best fit.
Any challenge to an assumption about it is a good challenge, and so all are welcome in making very strong challenges.

Both complex and simple approaches should justify themselves in a reality-based manner.


Yes And No (0.00 / 0)
To a certain extent you are preaching to the choir here.  After all, I wrote:

One of the main points of Kegan's approach to cognitive development is that he stresses a common structure of consciousness that applies across the full range of cognition.  There is clinical evidence for this, but it does not mean that people actually use the same level of cognition at all times.  Indeed, there is strong empirical evidence that specialized knowledge does not translate into other contexts-and, indeed, does not necessarily get assimilated by those directly and repeatedly exposed to it.

However, I think that you are on much shakier ground when it comes to your ideas about functional costs, and about choice.

First, the notion of a higher cost to function at a higher level is fundamentally mistaken, according to what is known so far.  It's undoubtedly true when people are tired, sick, distracted, or otherwise functioning sub-optimally.  But the evidence suggests that when people are functioning normally (not even at peak levels) the costs come not from functioning at their natural level, but from functioning at lower levels, which they know to be inadequate.

Second, you seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding what's meant by complexity here.  It's not a question of a Bach Solo Cello Suite vs. a Brandenberg Concerto.  That's not the sort of complexity we're talking about.  We're talking about understanding why things happen in terms of (a) patterns of association at Level 2, (b) single-factor causes at Level 3, or (3) multi-factor causation (including, possibly circular causation) at Level 4.  And given that this is what's meant by complexity, there really is no advantage in thinking in simpler terms.

Now, of course, if the question is how to communicate with someone at a lower level, then you have to take that into account as well.  But two people at Level 3 who disagree on the single cause they posit are going to have a much harder time communicating than a Level 4 person who can see that the Level 3 person they are talking to has part of the explanation, but not all of it.  So, even though her higher level of functioning doesn't magically solve everything for her, at least she's in a much better position by virtue of understanding what's missing in the other person's understanding.  Thus, a higher level is always to be preferred as a starting point, all other things being equal.  But, as I myself pointed out, this does not over-ride considerations such as interest and experience--i.e. when all others things are not equal.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Maybe (0.00 / 0)
Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree.

But, I think simple observation of human behavior, our own and that of ordinary people we know, lends credence to the idea that people, for whatever reason, experience more complexity of any kind as more costly, when it's not a way of looking at things they are already doing in that moment or having an urge to do.

You say it is more efficient to perceive from a place that recognizes the different frames people are working with.
Efficient means more value for less cost, so this presumes the people communicating in that conversation take it as a primary value to deal with each other's frames.

But often people don't want to deal with another's frames, or to evolve their own frame enough so it could be broad enough to encompass another's.
They experience these demands as costly, and seek to avoid them if possible in many cases.

Many political speeches start out saying things like 'The American people are tired, etc, etc.' 
Then they go on to introduce a 'simple' frame that 'explains' things.
The 'simple' frame is experienced as just that because it is  constructed so as to seem recognizable and easy to try on.
It's an effective starting point for a speech, because it appeals to the part of the listener that experiences high cost and wants to get the value they do care about more easily.

It's true that democracy can't actually function or be a democracy without deep listening to others who are dissimilar to oneself.

But many have the (incorrect) view that democracy is simply the right to express oneself and attempt to get what one wants by corralling votes.

Anyhow, people's experience of cost is at least as important in politics as the actual cost or effectiveness of their frame.
Inducing people to see a pathway that is both fairly low cost and also directly addressing the values they are concerned with is key.

When politics starts to sound too much like telling people what their problem is, it will fail, and what good is that?

Also, I think it's healthy on the left to acknowledge the urge for simplicity, simple answers.
Many simply want the Iraq situation to end, period.
There's a raw urge just to be done with it.

Complex solutions and analysis that takes into account many different kinds of simultaneous factors in play, many different stories all playing out, are rejected as some kind of further manipulation.
It's not linear or multi-linear, it's just a raw urge for less stress and problem, for a different situation.

That same urge for simply a different kind of world, a 'simpler' world that is also safer, better, etc, is of course a big part of what has allowed 'conservative' messaging to sell well.
Voters all want not to have to even be dealing with that which they don't like.

In politics, anything and everything must be included, any frame the audience may be in must be somehow worked with, included and miraculously transformed.
It should be possible to come up with messaging that can work with any sort of place the listener may be coming from, which is still compatible with viable pathways to good outcomes.


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Well, There's No Arguing With A Closed Mind (0.00 / 0)
So I guess you've proved your point!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Thanks, Paul (0.00 / 0)
For taking the time to think this through, and make it available.  I'm reading, printing, and re-reading as you go.  It's been enlightening.  Don't let your muse escape just yet, eh?

Context, etc. (0.00 / 0)
As an aid to those who are stepping into the middle of the stream perhaps you could list your relevant prior essays at the bottom of the latest one. Just the one's that are directly related should be sufficient.

I think what you are saying is that those who are motivated by money go after it and, while not all succeed, enough do so that they end up with a lot of it. Someone once said that money is how rich people keep score. Aside from the injustice, great imbalances of wealth lead to imbalances of power.

Which leads to the inevitable question: what to do about it?

It seems to me there are two approaches, neither perfect. One can try to limit acquiring wealth. Ideas about limiting CEO's compensation fall into this category.

The other is to allow people to earn as much as they are able, just not to keep it. This was the model in the days of the 90% marginal tax rate. I'm not sure it lessened the political influence of the wealthy.

There is a third approach, but I don't know how to get it implemented. This is to separate wealth from political power. The most obvious first step would be to reform the electoral process so that money is not a factor. The problem with implementation is that those in power won't allow any changes that diminish their control. The few times there have been populist revolts the results haven't been satisfactory over the long-run. The two examples that come to mind are the French Revolution, which was followed by a restoration of Monarchy and Empire. The other was the American Populist movement around the start of the 20th Century. In both cases things got better for the average person, but the wealthy stayed wealthy.

Off Topic, but I think it may be relevant to the issue of mindset. There is a double page ad in the NY Times today from the Templeton Foundation whose tag line is "Supporting Science - Investing in the big questions", but which really is an organization devoted to promoting religion. Here's a link:
http://www.templeton...

The point is that one commentator (Christian de Duve) completely demolishes all the other arguments as to whether the universe has a "purpose". Naturally his rebuttal is completely ignored by those wedded to their beliefs. That some of them are scientists shows how difficult freeing people of superstition really is.

Policies not Politics


Done! (0.00 / 0)
Links to diaries added. Thanks.

As for the bulk of your comments, my argument was concerned with power per se, not money.  But your comments on the relationship between them are worth considering in their own right.  As Level 4+ thinker, I naturally favor a multi-purpose approach that tries to address the system of relations, and not just fix one part of the problem, leaving the rest of it alone.  So I often tend to answer "all of the above," if not "A, B and C, but not D."

In addition, I think that we really want to change the ethos.  Whatever happened to the idea that rich folks don't get into heaven?  At the very least, think of Andrew Carnegie's example.

As for the question in the ad.  This connects with the comment below by bloomingpol.  Just as the conservatives  bloomingpol writes about projected their own power obsessions onto her, so, too, there is a much more general tendency for humans, as purposeful beings, to project purpose onto everything we encounter, up to and including the universe as a whole.

This is very deeply embedded in us, biologically, since we are pre-tuned to be especially aware of and responsive to other humans, and this projecting of purposive onto others is vital for aiding us in understanding others.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I can speak from experience in saying.... (4.00 / 1)
....that there was a profound difference back in the days when there was a 90% tax rate.

That was when the majority of the infrastructure you see crumbling before your eyes was created. That was when the greatest public school system was created in the State of California. That was when the current public health system, which still works, was created.

The wealthy didn't like paying for this. And neither knowing nor caring what Aristotle had to say put their money to work electing Nixon, Reagan and the two Bush's.

Does anyone think it's an accident that median real income has declined in America since 1970?

That as Angry Bear shows here:

http://angrybear.blo...

You're a lot better off if only Democrats get elected President.

People, even so called 'progressives' need to wake up to the fact that 'conservative' ReichWingers see you as, at best, slave labor. At worst something to be gotten rid of.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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To continue my story (4.00 / 2)
from my post on the previous diary about my small NH town, here's more of what transpired in the last year around here, and yes, it relates to this.  It is also a STORY that I tell to everyone who is involved in political action on my side.
When the wingnuts (tax cuts are all!) took over our town, they fired our very competent town administrator, who ran the town day to day, and hired a right-wing state rep to replace her, a woman who had no, I repeat, no qualifications for the job.  She was a disaster, and my goal was to organize enough people to vote the wingnuts out of office and then get rid of her.  We did this, using the tools I learned in the Dean and Carol Shea Porter campaigns, and things are definitely going better.  We are at least holding our ground, rather than going backwards rapidly.
For this, I was declared a "power broker" by the right wing.  I was amazed and amused, because I don't think of myself that way, and my goal was not for myself, but for the good of the town and the future of the community.  But I knew, even though I was not clear why, that these people who think I was after power didn't have a clue about what motivates someone like me.  Paul just explained that to me.  They are only interested in "power, control and running things" and of course they thought I was too. 

Great Story (0.00 / 0)
And spot on insight!

Liberals often have the same problem, but with different content.  We think that conservatives are interested in an honest dialogue, or equitable power-sharing, or free speech for all, the list goes on and on.  And, indeed, there are some conservatives about whom this is definitely true.  But movement conservatism as a whole is predicated on a very different set of assumptions, and even if they say these sorts of things, it's not really what they believe.  After all, looking to Lakoff's Strict Father model, for example, if you're in a battle against evil, an honest dialogue is one that you win, if you don't then evil triumphs.  The same is true about power-sharing:  It's fine as long as you get your way when it really counts.  And, of course, free speech, well that's what the devil wants, now isn't it?

Of course, the answer isn't to become just like them.  But it is to become a good deal more vigilant, and demanding that such ideals be lived up to.

Of course, there's a name for that:  "Political correctness."

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
shorter for those that miss this comment (0.00 / 0)
Because it is an excellent point:

Conservatives generally accuse us of exactly whatever wrongdoing they are up to, because they assume everyone thinks like them.


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Storytellers names are trusted more than thier tales (0.00 / 0)
Not only stories are important. The source of the stories -- the storytellers -- is just as important for the audience experience. The right has national celebrity commentators: Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter and so on. The left has... who? Keith Olbermann maybe, but Olbermann is more of an investigator and reformer than a storyteller. Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are great but they have a different goal and method. Political satire is not the same thing as political mythmaking.

That's why internet videos diffused from many little known orgs only get partway to the goal. They don't build a brand and there's no storyteller as trusted source which is essential to the storytelling experience. Storytellers build trust by being there day after day, being reliable and repeating, filling the hours. A continuing presence alone is reassuring. So when talk show hosts catch on they can be incredibly powerful. A nod from Oprah is worth ten rants by Limbaugh.

Some of the Air America hosts are good at mythmaking and there are other liberals in radio land, but they are few and far between. National broadcast media consolidation in conservative hands is a big, enduring obstacle for progressives.

Hollywood expertise can help with storytelling but Hollywood's expertise with celebrity is more potent. And have you noticed every time conservatives roll out celebrity support it's always the second raters? Except Mel Gibson whose ability to shoot himself in the foot equals any Republican congressperson.


I linked to this post and I used this as my 'teaser'..... (0.00 / 0)
.............................quote:

The notion that conscious evolution inherently equates to a similar growth in moral and ethical responsibility is just one of those liberal myths that comes from hanging around with people whose parents raised them right.  Not everyone is like that.

Nice.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


Conservatives are more Pragmatic (0.00 / 0)
From the point of view of those who area actually in power, there is only one real Conservative cause: Preserving and expanding wealth and power for the elite. Not surprisingly, this is the one cause they will never openly discuss. The issues they campaign on are just window dressing. Does anyone think Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice really care about Jesus, abortion, or gay marriage? Does anyone really think they didn't know that Al Qaeda, Iraq, and Iran weren't connected?

Misunderestimating the cognitive ability of Conservatives is a big mistake. Their brilliance is constructing diabolical plots and selling them to the public with dumbed-down and oversimplified rhetoric. Being a Level 4 or 5 thinker doesn't help if you can't relate your idea to Joe Sixpack.

Maybe we can move Jon Stewart or Chris Rock over to CNN.



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