The Myth That Conservative Welfare Reform Worked--Part 4

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Mar 07, 2010 at 18:45


This is Part Four in my diary series, "The Myth That Conservative Welfare Reform Worked".  Part 1 began this project by debunking the conservative narrative that liberals and Democrats were uninterested in reforming welfare, drawing principally on Diana Zuckerman's artlce, "Welfare Reform in America: A Clash of Politics and Research ", published in the Journal of Social Issues, Winter 2000 (pp587-599).  Part 2 began the presentation of a five-section argument with the first two sections, "Section 1: The Rightwing Hegemonic Framing Of Welfare Reform" and "Section 2: A Common-Sense Take-Down of the 'Welfare Reform Worked' Myth".  Part 3 was devoted to a detailed debunking of Charles Murray's Losing Ground.  This part will look at National US data, both long-term trends and a set of snaphsots.

Section 3B: The Story of National Data--Long-Term Trends And Significant Snapshots

We begin this diary by looking at long-term trends, which provide us with the big-picture story.  We then examine a few significant shorter time-frames to see what was going on a crucial periods of time, taking a closer look at how different factors interacted.

Long-Term Poverty Rate Trends--Two Warning Shots

First we look at two trend graphs.  The first tracks deep poverty--below 50% of the poverty line.  It clearly shows that deep poverty grew dramatically in the late 1970s, and through the beginning of the Reagan years:

The late 90s did show a significant imporovement, but it began before "welfare reform" and did not come close to returning us to the pre-Reagan levels of relative success.

The second shows that poverty began dropping well before "welfare reform" was implemented, and that there was no appreciable change in the declining trend when "welfare reform" was instituted:

Thus, there is no empirical foundation for any claim that "welfare reform" was "a success".

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Long-Term Poverty Rate Trends--Linked To Unemployment

We begin our more detailed analysis by noting the most basic of relationships, embodied in the old adage that most effective anti-poverty program is a good job.  While often wielded by conservatives in recent decades, this is every bit as much a slogan of the labor movement, which has repeatedly had to battle conservatives to make work pay well enough to make this adage true.

As shown in the US Census table, Work Experience and Poverty Status for People 16 Years Old and Over [xls] , the poverty rate for full-time workers 16 and over has fluctuated in a narrow range from 2.4% to 2.9% from 1987 to 2008.  This compares with a range of 11.8% to 14.6% for those who worked part-time and 19.8% to 24.2% for those who did not work at all.  Of course, this doesn't mean that roughly 97-98% of all full-time workers earned enough from one full-time job to rise out of poverty--not with the rise of minimum-wage jobs and the fall of the minimum wage.  But with multiple wage-earners and sometimes multiple jobs, very few people who had at least one full-time job have found themselves in poverty for at least several decades now.  Which is why it's no surprise to find that the unemployment rate is closely related to the poverty rate, as can be seen in this chart:

Of course, the chart includes those over 65, most of whom aren't in the labor market, as well children, whose welfare comes through the intermediation of their parents or guardians.  A more helpful chart breaks down the poverty rate accordingly:

The correlations between between the unemployment rate and the poverty rates for different demographic groups is as follows:

The correlations are stronger for child poverty, which is an indication children both benefit more when jobs are more plentiful, and suffer more when they are not.  This obviously should not be the case in any country that is truly civilized.

It should now be apparent why I spent so much time on the debunking of Charles Murray.  Once his baseless fantasies about welfare keeping people from working are cleared out of the way, we can see quite clearly and unambiguously that people work when they are able to find work,  and when this enables them to work full-time, it almost always means they can make it above the official poverty line, one way or another.  However, when there simply isn't enough work available-as there never is for everyone who wants to work-then the individual alone is powerless, which is the whole point of having socioeconomic policies in the first place.

Long-Term Teen Birth Rates--Already Declining BEFORE "Welfare Reform"

Even without Murray and his false and misleading arguments, however, there certainly was an increase in single-mother families with much higher rates of poverty.  The fact that other countries dealt with this much more successfully than we did is a subject for next weekend's diary on international comparisons.  For now, we should simply note that the increase in teen pregnancies that formed the heart of the hysteria had already peaked well before the enactment of welfare reform:

The CDC provides a more detailed breakdown, showing that declining pregnancy rates resulted in both declining birth rates and declining abortion rates, for mid-teens as well as late teens:

As can be seen, there is no appreciable change whatsoever following the passage of "welfare reform" in 1996.


Four Snapshots in Time

For closer snapshot examinations of poverty and "welfare reform" I'm going to draw on four different papers from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.  The first came out almost simultaneous with the passage of "welfare reform" and documents how much good was being done by the welfare system then in place.  The second came out two years later, and reflects the immediate aftermath period.  The third came out about two years later than that, and provides a look at the time period 1993-1999, surrounding "welfare reform" by three years on either side.  The fourth came out in 2006, and was a 10-year retrospective.

Snapshot 1: The Safety Net Delivers BEFORE Welfare Reform

"The Safety Net Delivers: The Effects of Government Benefit Programs in Reducing Poverty", (final revision November 15, 1996) presents a wide array of data showing the effectiveness of the very array of programs that had just been done away with, or radically altered--although a number of factors would intervene to soften the blow.  Still, the successful trajectory chronicled in this article was substantially altered.  I will confine myself to a just two passages. The paper is a study that focuses on the differences between per-transfer poverty--the poverty rate before people receive any government assistance--and "post-transfer poverty", the poverty rate afterwards.  The first passage contrasts the effects on seniors with those on children.  The second highlights the role of the safety net during recessions, underscoring how much stronger the safety net was in late 80s and early 90s compared to ten years earlier:

Comparing Effects on the Elderly and on Children

Of particular note, safety net programs reduced the elderly poverty rate in 1995 from 50 percent before receipt of government benefits to 9 percent when the benefits are counted, a stunning 41 percentage point reduction in the poverty rate. By comparison, the safety net programs reduced the child poverty rate from 24 percent before benefits are counted to 16 percent when benefits are taken into account, an eight percentage point reduction.

The social insurance programs were far more effective in reducing poverty among the elderly than means-tested programs and taxes together were in reducing child poverty.

This reflects a number of related factors which combine to treat seniors more like the citizens of Continental European welfare states, while children are treated more like the citizens of the Britain and other English-speaking countries, where market forces are more dominant.

Effects of Government Programs During Recessions

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During recessions, poverty generally increases. Hence, poverty rose from 1989 - the last year before the recession of the early 1990s - to 1993. Between 1989 and 1993, the number of people in poverty before government benefits are counted rose from 49.9 million to 60.6 million, with more than 10 million people being added to the ranks of the poor. After government benefits are counted, however, the number of poor people increased during this period by only 5.5 million. The effect of government programs was to cut nearly in half the growth of poverty during this recession.

During the recession of the early 1980s, the impact of government programs on poverty was much smaller. Between 1979 - the last year before the onset of that recession - and 1983 when the poverty rate peaked, the number of people who were poor before receipt of government benefits increased almost 10 million. This increase was of a similar magnitude to the increase in the number of people poor before receipt of government benefits during the recession of the early 1990s. But when poverty is measured after government benefits are counted, poverty grew more than 11 million people during the 1979-1983 period. During that period, the increase in the number of people who were poor after receipt of government benefits exceeded the increase in the number who were poor before receipt of government benefits. This occurred because various safety net programs were cut between 1979 to 1983, causing a decline in the number of people lifted from poverty by government benefits.

Of course, the increase in post-transfer poverty from 1979 to 1983 is yet another demonstration that Murray's thesis was wrong.  Anti-poverty programs reduce poverty, just as they are supposed to do.  They do not increase it.

Nest we turn to the immediate aftermath of "welfare reform".

Snapshot 2: Just After "Welfare Reform" The Poor Trail A Growing Economy

The paper "Poverty Rates Fall, but Remain High for a Period With Such Low Unemployment" painted a picture of things getting better for some at the bottom--but not as good as they should be in a time of growth, while those still in poverty actually saw things getting worse as a whole:

Strong economic growth and low unemployment reduced poverty and raised incomes in 1997, with especially strong gains occurring among minorities. A number of years of growth have returned the poverty rate and median household income to the levels at which they stood in 1989, the last year before the recession of the early 1990s. The Census data show that 13.3 percent of Americans lived in poverty in 1997, down from 13.7 percent in 1996.

The poverty rate remained high, however, for a year in which the unemployment rate
averaged 4.9 percent, its lowest level in 24 years. The poverty rate in 1997 was at about the same level as it was in 1987 through 1989, years in which unemployment averaged between 5.3 percent and 6.2 percent. The 1997 poverty rate was substantially above the poverty rates for every year of the 1970s, even though the unemployment rate was close to or above six percent for more than half of the years of the 1970s. More than one of every eight people in the United States continue to live in poverty.

The lagging gains for those on the bottom can be seen in this chart:

But that was actually comparative good news.  For those who remained in poverty, things got worse:

On average, poor families became poorer in 1997. The average amount by which families that are poor fall below the poverty line increased $200, the Census figures show, from $6,395 in 1996 to $6,602 in 1997. (These figures are both expressed in 1997 dollars.)

This increase in the depth of poverty for the average poor family appears to be related to a weakening of safety net programs in 1997; the decline in the number of families receiving assistance was much greater than the decline in the number of families that are poor. The proportion of poor families with children that receive basic cash assistance that can lessen the severity of their poverty has decreased. The proportion of such families receiving food stamp assistance also has fallen, although food stamp receipt is not reflected in the Census Bureau's standard measures of the incidence and depth of poverty.

The decreasing benefits surpassing the decline in the poverty rate can be seen in the following chart, showing the shortfall grew significantly, as soon as "wlefare reform" passed:

Snapshot 3: Progress Stalls After "Welfare Reform" Starts

The paper "Poverty Trends for Families Headed by Working Single Mothers 1993 to 1999" clearly showed that by cutting the safety net, "welfare reform" had an immediately deleterious effect. The beginning of the executive summary laid out the broad frameworks of the findings:

In recent years, large numbers of families headed by single mothers have moved from welfare to work. This report addresses the question whether and to what degree those who work have improved their economic situation.

Among people in families headed by working single mothers, there was no progress in reducing poverty between 1995 and 1999, despite an expanding economy. Reductions in poverty as a result of economic growth were entirely offset by increases in poverty due to contractions in
government safety net programs.

  • Before counting the benefits of government safety net programs (including cash and non-cash programs such as food assistance and housing subsidies) as well as taxes and the Earned Income Tax Credit, the poverty rate for people in working single-mother families fell from 35.5 percent in 1995 to 33.5 percent in 1999. Poverty measured before counting government benefits and taxes primarily reflects the impact of changes in the economy on private sources of income, especially earnings.
  • But after counting government benefits and taxes, the poverty rate among people in working single-mother families was 19.4 percent in 1999 - not significantly different from their 19.2 percent poverty rate in 1995.
This is in contrast to the earlier 1993 to 1995 period, when poverty rates dropped for people in working single-mother families, both before and after counting government benefits and taxes. During this period, which preceded enactment of the 1996 welfare law, safety net programs for low-income working families expanded and had a larger impact in reducing poverty among these families. This added to the effect of the economy in reducing poverty.

A few select charts serve to underscore these broad findings.  First we see that the total poverty gap (amount of money needed to lift people out of poverty) declined significantly from 1993 to 1995, but tailed off after that for all families, while actually increasing for single-mother families as "welfare reform" kicked in:

The picture was even starker on a per-person basis:

The growth in the size of the earned income tax credit (EITC) offset the declines in other programs, for an over-all net gain, but the benefits did not necessarily offset for those in the deepest need:

Indeed, the biggest growth in EITC effectiveness came from 1993-1995, while the biggest drops in cash assistance effectiveness came after that:

These early results were then followed up by a 10-year report.

Snapshot 4: TANF At 10: Mixed Results

TANF AT 10: Program Results are More Mixed than Often Understood


Ten years after "welfare reform" passed, most of Versailles thought it was a great success. But CBPP pointed out that a lot was being left out of these accounts. Indeed, it found that more than half the decline in caseloads--the primary measure of "success"--was due to people who were eligible and needed help not receiving the help they were entitled to.  That's some success!

Many discussions of TANF focus on three sets of trends - the decline in the number of families receiving cash assistance through TANF programs, the increase in employment rates of single mothers during the 1990s, and the decline in child poverty during the 1990s.

While important, these three sets of trends miss important information about the functioning of the TANF program and the impacts on low-income families over the last decade. Examining a broader set of indicators reveals these important facts:

  • Child poverty fell during the 1990s, but has increased significantly in recent years as has the number of children living below half the poverty line. While child poverty remains below its levels in the mid-1990s, the recent trends are disturbing. Between 2000 and 2004, the number of children living in families with cash incomes below half the poverty line increased by 774,000. Over the same period, the number of children getting assistance from TANF declined. While other safety net programs such as food stamps and Medicaid provided assistance to increasing numbers of individuals as the labor market weakened and poverty rose, TANF did not, failing to serve as a bulwark against deep poverty for many children.
  • Employment rates among single mothers are higher today than in the mid-1990s, but they have fallen since 2000. Single mothers who leave welfare for work typically have higher incomes than they did when they received TANF, but remain poor or near-poor, often face significant work expenses and material hardships, and see only modest income growth over time.
  • The number of poor single mothers who are jobless, do not receive cash public assistance (from TANF or other programs), and do not live with others who work or receive cash income support has increased significantly. Between 1996 and 2004, the number of single mothers who were working increased by about 1 million. But from 1996 to 2003, the number of single mothers who fall into this "no work, no welfare" group in an average month increased by more than 400,000. There are now roughly 1 million poor single mothers - with 2 million children - in an average month who fall into this "no work, no welfare" group.
  • TANF now helps a much smaller share of the families that are poor enough to qualify for the program than it used to. Program participation has fallen sharply among families poor enough to qualify for the program under state eligibility rules (and who meet the other eligibility criteria as well), from about 80 percent in the early 1990s (under the former Aid to Families with Dependent Children program) to just 48 percent in 2002, the last year for which data are available.

    Startlingly, this drop in TANF participation among eligible families accounts for more than half of the decline in TANF caseloads since 1996. Stated another way, more than half - 57 percent - of the caseload decline during the first decade of welfare reform reflects a decline in the extent to which TANF programs serve families that are poor enough to qualify, rather than to a reduction in the number of families who are poor enough to qualify for aid.

    Very poor families that do not receive TANF miss out not only on the income assistance that could help these families meet their children's basic needs, but also on programs that could help them prepare for and find employment.

Here's a chart of the reduction in family participation rates:

And here's the reduction in children served:

Now that's what conservatives call a "success"!

How about you?



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America never was America to me (4.00 / 1)
Langston Hughes said it better than anyone else has before or since. The America he saw inside himself is the America I pledge allegiance to. Always have, always will....

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The America that Republicans see are people with incomes over $1 million a year.

Depends What You Mean by "Worked" (0.00 / 0)
Clearly it worked wonderfully well for Wall Street!

"Welfare reform" was designed to get those undeserving "Welfare Queens" from getting federal subsidies!

It was an important part of the conservative "let them eat cake" revolution that just built for decades -- a swiftly metastasising cancer of reactionary thinking that ended with the tea-bag "your health care is not my problem" signs in the Summer of 2009.


"Things grow ever more squalid until a point is reached where one imagines the architect saying: 'here I culminate. Let us give praise to Satan.'"

-- Lord Dunsany


For our wonderful "New Democrats" it was a chance to prove to all the "responsible people" how much Clinton hated the under-class. Kick poor working women! Prove you're a man and not a DFH!

This is what is called inside the beltway: "a clear win-win."


You Should (Re-)Read Part 2 (4.00 / 1)
Clinton's original plan wasn't a punitive one, and he signed the GOP law out of political cowardice, rather than malice.

This is not a defense.  But it's necessary to realize that there's a significant shift to the right between Clinton and Obama, and to understand what it consists of.  This is a significant part of that shift.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Fair enough. But don't you think that by running on a platform of welfare (4.00 / 1)
reform he shifted the discussion to the right? Also, he's quoted as saying later,"We now know that welfare reform works." You can't validate rightwing policies, even apart from the specifics of welfare reform, and then feign surprise when, holy cow!, there's an ensuing shift rightward.  

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Oh I Agree (0.00 / 0)
His political messaging was atrocious.  But the policy approach he was aiming for was a lot better than it sounded.  Still not what I would support, but nowhere near as heinous as what has come since.

As Zuckerman recounts in Part 1 (not 2 as I wrote above in the middle of the night, when I should have been catching z's):

Ellwood also speculates that the President's promise to "end welfare as we know it" was a potent sound bite but did not address the concerns of many Democrats about whether the new system would be better than the old. Ellwood believes that the phrase "2 years and you're off" was even more destructive, because it implied no help at all after 2 years, which he says is "never what was intended."


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I have trouble reading this (0.00 / 0)

There seems to be the idea that welfare reform would reduce poverty, while I think the more general expectation was trying to reform an expensive system that wasn't working well, without making things worse. That on the whole seemed to have happened, helped of course by the booming economy, despite doom and gloom projections.

It's hard to draw too much from statistics after 2000 when the Bush Administration decided to turn everything on its head. Of course for those who think Clinton was Satan too, they may see absolute continuity throughout the years. Me I'm just having trouble understanding a "change" president that can't figure out a jobs bill in a major recession and who can't rally the troops against a break in unemployment insurance - I'll take my flawed 90's over any of these.

Teen birth rates? I don't know who aside from a few wingnuts imagined that "people are having kids for the welfare check" was anything more than fantasy. Agree that decline in uptake of a program doesn't mean there's less demand - decreasing demand through bad service is a well-known phenomenon that airlines specialize in.

I'm also not seeing anything re: the underground cash economy - "single mothers" in general are not alone, but rely on grandma and others as part of the survival and general care (as do non-single mothers) - sometimes ad hoc relationships, and for some no support at all. Any uptick in that support and unreported family support will not be reported directly in government transfers, but certainly something of the improving economy would (sorry) trickle through in some fashion or other. (Decreased crime would also lower costs significantly for many of those in poverty, except some major issues for family of the large numbers incarcerated - whether this shows up as "single mother" homes or otherwise). I suppose one of my gut issues here is that everything is termed as dollars and cents, but but I don't see an attempt to evaluate actual quality of life and provide a more qualitative evaluation of what the results were in terms of personal experiences, typical effects, etc.

I still don't find any rousing indication of deep increase in poverty from the effort. Financially, any downturns in 2001 could have been dealt in TEMPORARY ways other than tax rebates to the rich and famous, just as those efforts in 2009 could have focused on cash payments and mortgage relief more than banks and auto companies. More than one way to skin a cat, but then most cats aren't fat.



You Should (Re-)Read Part 3 (0.00 / 0)
Where I take down the ur-text of this whole effort to destroy welfare, Charles Murray's Losing Ground.  It's virtually impossible to suss out what's inside everybody's head, all 300 million of us, but one can look at the arguments used to advance an agenda by those behind it, and that's what I do in that part.

This:

There seems to be the idea that welfare reform would reduce poverty, while I think the more general expectation was trying to reform an expensive system that wasn't working well, without making things worse. That on the whole seemed to have happened, helped of course by the booming economy, despite doom and gloom projections.

is false in at least three ways:

(1) There was the idea that welfare reform would reduce poverty, because "welfare reform" was predicated on the notion that welfare mothers were the cause of poverty, just as "education reform" ala Obama is predicated on the notion that bad teachers are the cause of students being poorly educated.   The formulation that you offer was merely a way of rationalizing the effort once it was shown that "welfare reform" wouldn't/didn't work as initially advertised.  It was also the formulation that was in place before Murray came along, and gave "reformers" a much more potent lie.  As I pointed out in Part 3, Reagan's first domestic policy adviser represented this earlier point of view, before Murray came along.

(2) If the idea was to make the system work better, then there were lots of examples to chose from in other advanced industrial nations that have lower poverty rates than we do.  No one paid the slightest attention to any of them.  Clinton himself had a set of proposals on the table that was similarly ignored by Republicans.  The intent was to punish welfare mothers and to attack anyone else who would not attack them as well.

(3) "Reform" didn't work.  People were helped by a booming economy, and the expansion of the EITC, but more people were left behind, as shown by the charts in snapshots 2, 3 and 4.

It's hard to draw too much from statistics after 2000 when the Bush Administration decided to turn everything on its head.

It's hard to take anyone seriously who treats an economic boom as proof that "welfare reform" worked, and then says "It's hard to draw too much from statistics" when the boom turns bust--especially since boom and bust has been with us for as long as we've had capitalism.

Teen birth rates? I don't know who aside from a few wingnuts imagined that "people are having kids for the welfare check" was anything more than fantasy.

Well, Congressmembers talked about teen birth rates out that wazoo, as did Charles Murray, who's Losing Ground started it all.  The fact that you don't know this doesn't really strengthen your argument.

I'm also not seeing anything re: the underground cash economy

Big surprise.  Because it's underground, it's not measured, so it doesn't show up in statistics.  But there's no reason to suppose that the underground economy changed substantially because of welfare reform.  So why bring it up?  Why not talk sunspots?  Oh, you're saving that for my diary on global warming?

I suppose one of my gut issues here is that everything is termed as dollars and cents, but but I don't see an attempt to evaluate actual quality of life and provide a more qualitative evaluation of what the results were in terms of personal experiences, typical effects, etc.

If you want touchy-feeling, try this.

You:

I still don't find any rousing indication of deep increase in poverty from the effort.

Reality:

Between 1996 and 2004, the number of single mothers who were working increased by about 1 million. But from 1996 to 2003, the number of single mothers who fall into this "no work, no welfare" group in an average month increased by more than 400,000.

I know, I know.  It's not "a more qualitative evaluation of what the results were in terms of personal experiences."

So, sue me for being reality-based.

Found any WMDs lately?



"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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it's not about "the bust" - it's about "the bust" plus the new government that actively worked to destroy the system. Sorry, you can't extrapolate anything through that. The Bush Administration violated the constitution, abrogated its duties, and specifically worked against the programs it was sworn and obligated to uphold. What did Bush do with voting rights enforcement, maintenance of public lands, concerns about global warming...? Try evaluating a 1990's law on government ethics in light of Gonzales' attorney firings. Try evaluating 1990's attitudes towards foreign policy based on Bush pre-emption in 2003.

Your "touchy-feeling" [sic] reference is spot on - the AFDC system was a mess before, and the replacement was a mess after, and for those like me who weren't expecting miracles or disasters, "welfare reform" pretty much came and went without a huge amount of damage, much to the chagrin of the left wing, and without huge displays of improvement, to the apathy of the right wing that only cared about political points [memo to OpenLeft - some Congresspeople talk about a lot of bullshit that's reality challenged and non-mainstream]. But Opal still gets her crack paid for while Angie's aid falls into the bureaucratic morass. Which doesn't tell me that the welfare reform was a mistake - it says it wasn't good enough, which is quite the opposite message than the reform opponents tend to give. Even the book review draws that conclusion, as noted below - how am I somehow not a "reality-based" if I agree with your reference? And is reality only about numbers?

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But what does the book tell us about how to further align public assistance with societal values and bring real improvement to the lives of Americans who, while off the welfare rolls, seem nearly as far from self-sufficiency now than they were in 1995? Ultimately the question is one of values and goals: whether we are truly committed to rewarding work and "playing by the rules," or content not to subsidize "idleness." Near the end of the book, DeParle cites a Brookings Institution plan to raise the minimum wage and increase child care and tax credits for work, which its authors estimated would help 20 million families, all led by working adults. At a cost of $26 billion per year, it would account for less than half the revenue lost by the Congressional decision to end the estate tax, which almost entirely benefits multimillionaires. If this is the first you've heard of this proposal, you're not alone.

Absent a real reordering of political realities along these lines, perhaps the answer is a program that does more of what W2 was supposed to do, with bigger carrots--barrier removal, educational and training opportunities, rewards for sustained employment or child academic achievement--as well as sticks. And although liberals will likely blanch at the prospect, DeParle's account makes it clear that the next step in welfare reform will somehow have to address men and family formation; without a public effort to put single men in low-income communities back to work and create incentives for them to live up to family obligations, there is a sharp limit to what welfare reform can accomplish. The unifying concept here is the social contract itself, so effectively used by President Clinton and others to build support for welfare reform in the first place: Work hard, live right, and we'll make it worth your while to do so. Through the first decade of welfare reform, progress toward making this grand bargain meaningful has been halting and inconsistent, but sufficiently real to give observers from all points of the political compass hope that this American Dream might yet be realized.



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it's not about "the bust" - it's about "the bust" plus the new government that actively worked to destroy the system. Sorry, you can't extrapolate anything through that. The Bush Administration violated the constitution, abrogated its duties, and specifically worked against the programs it was sworn and obligated to uphold. What did Bush do with voting rights enforcement, maintenance of public lands, concerns about global warming...? Try evaluating a 1990's law on government ethics in light of Gonzales' attorney firings. Try evaluating 1990's attitudes towards foreign policy based on Bush pre-emption in 2003.

How, exactly, did Alberto Gonzales screw up "welfare reform"?

Your "touchy-feeling" [sic] reference is spot on - the AFDC system was a mess before, and the replacement was a mess after, and for those like me who weren't expecting miracles or disasters, "welfare reform" pretty much came and went without a huge amount of damage,

It wasn't a huge amount of damage to you because you weren't one of the millions who got cut out.  And that was before the current recession.

You simply choose to ignore all the data I've presented, because it doesn't comport with what your gut tells you.  That's fine.  Why not join the GOP?  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Come on (0.00 / 0)
Cut the crap with the value-laden judgments like "totally illogical" - the "I'm so smart I got my blog" stuff.

I know very well what Gonzales did in his branch of the government, and what Spakovsky did for voting. I don't know who was involved in overseeing government housing & welfare operations, but I'm sure they did just as much of a heckuva job Brownie performance. This is not government policy as usual, it's government gone off the tracks.

Also cut the crap with the "why not join the GOP" ad hominem bullshit - you have to fuck with anyone who disagrees with you? You gave me a link that notes what I'm talking about and then you turn around and insult my gut. You probably didn't realize the conclusions of that link didn't fit what you wanted it to fit, that millions were devastated because of conservative welfare reform, when the results were more mixed - not a great hurrah, not a huge disaster.


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If You Just KNOW (0.00 / 0)
Then use Google like normal people do, and find some evidence to back up your "gut".

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I pointed to (0.00 / 0)
the article you referenced. That was a gut check.
Perhaps you didn't like that I read what you referred to,
rather than nodding my head Oprah style. Or would you like to withdraw the document as a mistake, or endorse paragraphs 1-7, but reject 8-9? Whatever.

In the end it doesn't matter because popular opinion (or at least Versailles plus a good chunk of the populace) has now become "any help from the government is wrong unless you're a business or a Wall Street trader", so they're not even debating welfare queens anymore, they're dismantling anything that smells of government assistance, whether emergency aid, financial relief, or clearing snow off the streets. Calvin Coolidge is ascendant - "The Business of Government is Business (and Endless War)".


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You Need To Read MY Diary (0.00 / 0)
as well as an article I link to as a throwaway.



"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I did read it (0.00 / 0)

I contested the idea that out-of-wedlock-birth-to-get-welfare-benefits was a major held view.

I questioned whether welfare reform was intended to end poverty or even decrease poverty, as opposed to lowering the expenditures for an ineffective program without wreaking havoc.

So, not "Did Conservative Welfare Reform Work?" but "Did Triangulated Welfare Reform Avoid Creating Huge Hardship?" (Note, your way of framing the issue is not the only accepted way)

That takes us all the way down to "Four Snapshots in Time".

Your article notes: "The poverty rate remained high, however, for a year in which the unemployment rate
averaged 4.9 percent, its lowest level in 24 years. The poverty rate in 1997 was at about the same level as it was in 1987 through 1989, years in which unemployment averaged between 5.3 percent and 6.2 percent."

Okay, if I somehow accept that "4.9%" is about the same as "6.2%" when it looks to me like poverty being cut by 1/5th. But then let's look at dollar amount: 1989's poverty amount was $6310, 1987 is $5778 - 1997's is $8183. That's a 30% increase over 1989, a 42% increase over 1987, not a stingy view of poverty.

Your diary also notes: "But after counting government benefits and taxes, the poverty rate among people in working single-mother families was 19.4 percent in 1999 - not significantly different from their 19.2 percent poverty rate in 1995."

There you go - people have been blasting Clinton for over a decade about how badly welfare reform hurt people under the covers, and here's your data - the most vulnerable of the bunch, single-mother families, suffered a hit of 0.2% while the rest fared better. Hardly the doom-and-gloom starving-in-the-streets predicted, but enough to keep folks hating Clinton anyway.


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