Health reform vote counting update: crowdsourcing the Stupak bloc

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Mar 08, 2010 at 11:30


The House of Representatives is pretty far along in drafting a reconciliation "fix" to the Senate health reform bill, which they currently plan to pass a couple days after passing the Senate health reform bill.  Speaker Pelosi, four days ago:

And, indeed, leadership is pressing ahead with the legislative process. Earlier today, outside of a caucus meeting, Pelosi said Democrats had already drafted much of a reconciliation bill, meant to amend the Senate package, and sent "a bunch" of its legislative language to CBO.

The Senate seemingly has enough votes to pass a reconciliation bill now.  That doesn't necessarily mean that the Senate and the House agree on what should be in the reconciliation bill, and the House will undoubtedly wait on passage until such an agreement is reached.  However, it still means that the reconciliation "fix" to the Senate health reform bill is not the main obstacle to passing health reform.

By far the bigger obstacle to passing health reform remains Bart Stupak's bloc.  As this blog and many others have recounted on numerous occasions, Stupak supposedly has a group of about a dozen Democrats who voted "yes" on the health reform bill in November, but who will vote "no" this time around because the bill lacks Stupak's regressive language on reproductive rights.

In an attempt to circumvent this bloc, the House leadership seems to have secured the votes of at least three House Democrats who voted "no" in November: Jason Altmire, Brian Baird, and Bart Gordon.  Still, that is nowhere near enough to cancel out a dozen members of the Stupak bloc.  Additionally, Representative Mike Arcuri appears to be a non-Stupak bloc member who is flipping from "yes" to "no."

One problem is that no one seems to know exactly who is in the Stupak bloc.  There is a lot of speculation, but little confirmation.  What little information we do have is:

  1. Bart Stupak is definitely in the bloc

  2. Joseph Cao says he will not vote for health reform unless it contains the Stupak language, so he is in the bloc.

  3. Dale Kildee is not in the bloc, as Brian Beutler confirms:

    However, Kildee's office tells me that his name doesn't belong on the list--he's still reviewing the Senate language.
Other than that, we have a list of about 15 theoretical members of the bloc, with no confirmation one way or the other.  Here they are:

14 Dems who have voted with Stupak so far (which might be coincidental)
Carney (PA-10)
Costello (IL-12)
Dahlkemper (PA-03)
Donnelly (IN-02)
Doyle (PA-14)
Driehaus (OH-01)
Ellsworth (IN-08)
Hill (IN-09)
Kanjorski (PA-12)
Kirkpatrick (AZ-01)
Lipinski (IL-03)
Mollohan (WV-01)
Oberstar (MN-08)
Rahall (WV-03)

Three other members accused of being in the bloc
Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)
Solomon Ortiz (TX-27)
Charlie Wilson (OH-06)

Given that is only 17 possible names, why don't we just call up these offices and ask something akin to the following question:

Is Representative [insert name here] insisting that language akin to the Stupak amendment be passed as a precondition for considering support of the health reform bill?

Or something like that.  It is only seventeen names, so it should be something that even a small news organization can pull off.  Further, the nature of the issue means that even an equivocation from these Congressional offices is actually a "no," making this a particularly easy bit of news gathering.  Either they are demanding the Stupak amendment as a precondition for considering the bill, or they aren't.  There is no "maybe" on this one.

The number for the Congressional switchboard is 1-866-220-0044.  I don't see any reason why we can't get all seventeen of these members on record today.  People deserve to know who the members of the Stupak bloc actually are.

Chris Bowers :: Health reform vote counting update: crowdsourcing the Stupak bloc

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Worth a try, but.. (0.00 / 0)
I wouldn't be surprised if the offices did hedge, or failed to respond altogether.

I could envision some of that group ultimately voting "yes," but not be willing to commit to that position publicly until a certain number of others did as well.


I'm not on board with the Obama/Reid/Pelosi plan (0.00 / 0)
The Senate must pass the reconciliation bill first. The Senate has ZERO credibility in the process any  more.

Even if Pelosi musters the votes needed for a reconciliation fix: 1) it's not going to fix much and 2) it's almost guaranteed Reid's Senate will fail to come through.

Look, the Senate bill is crap. A third of Senate Democrats are little more than tools of the corporations that own them. They're not going to deliver any kind of worthwhile "reform".

Democrats will be better off in the fall if they let this health insurance giveaway bill die and move on the the 300 other things they need to attend to.


I'm in Kanjorski's district (0.00 / 0)

I have no idea who to ask for so I get the respect a constituent gets without going to constituent services

and I don't know how to get an answer from such a term-heavy Rep.


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Just use the info in Chris' post ... (4.00 / 2)
call his DC office .. say you are a constituent .. and follow the script Chris gives .. and if they won't give an answer .. ask when will they .. and demand an answer from the legislative director .. or Kanjorski's PR person

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they said they'd have to get back from the congressman (4.00 / 3)
and they had no timeline for getting back

pretty much what I expected


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Keep it up. Its good work. (4.00 / 1)


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Yes exactly (4.00 / 1)


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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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It's a target (0.00 / 0)
If the House passes a reconciliation fix first, it'll give the Senate a target to aim at.

The only problem being that the Senate has never managed to hit a respectable target.

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Lipinski and Oberstar (0.00 / 0)
are said to be part of the Stupak block according to right wing rag the weekly standard:

http://weeklystandard.com/blog...

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