Unlikely voters so disappointed in Obama, they overwhelmingly approve of his job performance

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Mar 09, 2010 at 05:00


One fairly common narrative in left-wing media is that Democrats will suffer in mid-term elections unless they excite "the base."  "The base," we are told, is so disappointed in President Obama and the Democratic Congress, that it will stay home, thus resulting in widespread Democratic losses in 2010.

That narrative is difficult to reconcile with the fact that people who are registered to vote, but who are considered unlikely to vote in 2010, overwhelmingly approve of President Obama's job performance (PDF):

Democracy Corps, February 20-24, 2010
1,001 2008 Voters; 851 Likely 2010 Voters; 150 Drop-Off Voters

Q.11 Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as president?
Likely Voters Registered Unlikely Voters
Approve 47% 59%
Disapprove 48% 35%

Despite the small sample size, this is not an isolated finding. Previous Democracy Corps polls in November (Approve 61%--32% Disapporve) and January (61%--33%) have also found President Obama with a sky-high job approval rating among people who are registered to vote but who are considered unlikely to vote in 2010.

How can "the base" be so disappointed in President Obama that they are deciding not to vote, when registered voters who are considered unlikely to vote overwhelmingly approve of President Obama's job performance?

The argument that "the base" is not going to turn out because they are disappointed in Obama does not hold up to available empirical evidence.  And Democracy Corps is, to the best of my knowledge, the only polling organization that is tracking President Obama's job approval rating among people who are registered to vote but considered unlikely to vote in 2010.  Other organizations have asked tangential questions, but not the basic questions, such as job performance. That's too bad--every polling organization that publishes likely voter results should publish crosstabs on unlikely voters, not to mention asking the unlikely voters open-ended questions about why they are unlikely to vote.

A better explanation is that the Democratic base is relatively youthful, and younger people don't turn out for midterm elections.  Both of these are empirical observations, not conjecture.  Until there is better and more frequent polling about what unlikely voters think, it remains the most demonstrable hypothesis on the market today.

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Uh, Chris, I don't understand that at all. What IS a "Drop Off Voter"? (0.00 / 0)
Look at Q.9, pls: Only 11% of those who are allegedly unilkely to vote in 2010 are positive they won't vote. 38% say it's a 50/50 chance. Excuse me pls, but this is totally illogical -about half of the alleged "drop off" voter actually intend to vote!? This begs the question, HOW does Democracy Corps identify drop off voters? Do the pollsters know something that those voters don't?

The explanation is in the footnote. They are NOT the base! (4.00 / 2)
1 Likely voters are defined as those 2008 voters who voted or were not eligible in 2006 AND are almost certain to
vote, probable to vote, or don't know if they will vote in 2010.
2 Drop-off voters are defined as those 2008 voters who are not likely voters.

Read that carefully: "Drop Off Voters" are those who voted in 2008, but not in 2006, even though they were elligible! So, they are those who are not so interested in politics in general, but were swept along by the 2008 Obama craze. Obviously, this is NOT the Dem base (most of which were enthusiastic to vote for Dems during Bush's reign)!


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Also They May Simply Blame Congress! (4.00 / 1)
The argument that "the base" is not going to turn out because they are disappointed in Obama does not hold up to available empirical evidence.

Oh, yeah? What if they simply blame Congressional Democrats and won't support them, but DON'T blame Obama? Or are angry at Obama for not doing more -- but still approve of his job on a survey (because what's the alternative -- a Conservative Republican?)

Then you'd show up as a "Support Obama and don't support Congressional Democrats" voter -- who might not bother to show up and vote in 2010.  


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Their answers are all over the spectrum. (4.00 / 3)
Some like Dems, some not, some like Obama, some not...
It's a hodgepodge of frustrated, occasional voters who for one reason or another didn't see a good reason to go to the polls in 2006, and half of them won't go in 2010, too. They can't be called "the base" in any way.

All in all, this poll is unsuitable for drawing conclusions about the Dem base. The Dem supporters are more likely in the "likely voter" group, and there they mix with too many others to be identified.


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swept along (4.00 / 1)
Let's remember that turnout in Presidential election is always better than the midterms. Sometimes we get too obsessed with Obama.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

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It's NOT So Impossible As You Seem To Think! (4.00 / 3)
I'm certainly very unhappy with Obama's job performance and unlikely to vote for Congressional Democrats this fall. But, would I answer "don't approve" on a poll?

Probably not. Feelings about Obama are very mixed for a lot of people. It's hard to read the polls.

And there's NO way to register opposition from the LEFT in a poll anyway since the media pretend that doesn't exist.

I'm also beyond furious with Democrats in Congress right now. They are such pathetic worms I can't bother to muster any enthusiasm to vote for them, let alone contribute to or campaign for them.

So, perhaps I'm not a "typical base voter" because I'm not under 30, but I certainly exist. And virtually every Progressive I know feels the same. We ALL would show up in any poll as: "Obama supporter who's unlikely to vote in 2010 -- or who might vote 3rd party."

You win in Politics by pleasing the people who might vote for you -- if you give them a reason. And if you are a Democratic Congressman, that's NOT Republicans or Republican-voting Independents.

Those worms never realize you have to pick your side and fight for it DESPITE everything they can throw at you! (Just as Conservatives do).

IF HCR passes -- despite it's major failings -- you'll see a surge in base support simply because Dems will appear to be standing up for themselves. Pass a significant jobs bill and you'd see a lot MORE.

How much respect does the kid who always surrenders his lunch money to bullies without a fight get? None. He might get sympathy, but NO respect. And who wants him for class President?

Bottom line: There are almost certainly a LOT of reasons for the "enthusiasm gap" but certainly the young have less history of voting Democratic -- you have to motivate them to vote and right now there's DAMN LITTLE MOTIVATION!

The economy sucks, and Dems are doing nothing about it. HCR is stalled and Dems are dithering and capitulating to the right at every turn.

If I were a 20 something voter I'd probably be CERTAIN NOT to vote this fall!  


As it happens, Rasmussen polled me last night (0.00 / 0)
It was a robo-call.  It was "legitimate" polling, not push polling.  All the questions were phrased neutrally, not particularly insightfully.  Never having been called by such a poll, I decided to answer as honestly as I could.  

On Obama, my choices were very favorable, slightly favorable, slightly unfavorable, very unfavorable.  I went with slightly favorable.  No insightful questions on Health Care Reform.  No chance to indicate for public option and single payer.  The most interesting question was whether I favored a comprehensive plan for HCR or a piecemeal approach.  I went for comprehensive, which of course could mean the Obama plan all the way to single payer.

So take this in general as affirmation of your initial paragraph.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


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The base. (4.00 / 1)
The progressives who say they don't like HCR aren't the base.

They are just the latest version of PUMAs.  Older conservative democrats who used to vote with democrats based on identity issues, but don't like Obama based on identity issues.

They didn't vote for Obama in 2008 so they aren't going to vote for him in 2010.  However in 2010 they make up a larger share of the likely voters.

I think that the main problem democrats have is that they haven't made an effort to lower the cost of education.  Reforming the educational system is as important to young people as reforming the health care system is to the old.  

To bring out those young voters Obama should really propose a 2011 policy aimed at lowering tuition for colleges and otherwise helping to employ young workers.

http://transgendermom.blogspot....


Prolly some, if not many, Nader voters among the "Drop Off Voters" (0.00 / 0)
This explains why they didn't vote in 2006. They only vote in presidential elections when "their" guy is on the ballot. They are not part of the Dem base, that's totally misleading.

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Wrong. (4.00 / 3)


Montani semper liberi

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I don't agree with your definition of PUMAs (0.00 / 0)
I don't think that most of the PUMAs I ran across in 2008 were "older conservative Democrats".  Most of them were "older pro-New Deal Democrats" who were concerned about winning back "older Conservative Democrats".  The most extreme of them (those who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Obama even against McCain) had a serious ideological axe to grind - and a variety of left-wing one at that.  That's not the case with ordinary "older Conservative Dems" - "Reagan Dems" many of whom did come home in the end when the economy tanked.

When we talk about who is the base, this is somewhat of a shape-shift.  Are we talking about what the base was in 1955 or what it is in 2010.  The primary difference between PUMAs and non-PUMAs is that that former want to try to recapture as much of that old base as possible, and the non-PUMAs have written that task off as impossible.

Where do I stand?  Somewhere in the middle.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


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Not true. (4.00 / 1)
The progressives who say they don't like HCR aren't the base.

They are just the latest version of PUMAs.  Older conservative democrats who used to vote with democrats based on identity issues, but don't like Obama based on identity issues.

This is just not true at all. Calling them Nader voters makes more sense, but there weren't that many Nader voters. Many of them might be people who wer tempted to vote for Nader but didn't.

We seem to be losing sight of the initial horrifying wakeup call, which was that Republicans are fired up for 2010 and Democrats are not. The rule that voters stay home for off-year elections, like so many such rules, only seems to apply to Democrats.

We have to know exactly what happenedbefore we can do anything about it, I suppose, but we need to keep in mind that something went terribly wrong.


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This poll show that "likely voters" is a misleading term. (0.00 / 0)
If you read the footnotes about how "likely voters" are defined, you find that that group should actually more correctly be called "regular voters". Even though this still doesn't completely fit, too, because there are also young voters among them, who cast their first vote in 2008. Who knows if that will become a habit? Does that make it "likely" they'll vote in 2010 again?

And "Drop Off Voters" are those who for some reason or another didn't vote in 2006. That pollsters see this simple fact as a  reason to call them "unlikely" doesn't make much sense, regarding that half of them "probably" or even "certainly" will vote in 2010 again. They should better be called occasional voters.

All in all, imho this poll show that you will get a misleading picture if you take the pollster's categorization of voters literally! If you look into the details, it shows that half of the alleged "Drop Off voters" probably won't drop off at all. What nonsense!


Democracy Corps (4.00 / 4)
was founded in 1999 by James Carville, Greenberg, and Bob Shrum. I don't know know who is in charge now, but I trust this poll about as much as I would trust a Fox News poll.
Ah, well. I guess they can pitch it to Rahm and Obama to make those two feel better.

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I Have To Agree With Gray Re "Drop-Off Voters" (4.00 / 1)
In fact, I was SURE that I had brought this up before, but the Google fails me.  The "Drop-Off Voter" category is the most puzzling thing I've ever seen from Democracy Corps, which I generally see as doing very good work.  I'm simply at a loss to understand how it's justified.  

Question 5 asks about 2006.  Among "Drop-Off Voters", 23% voted, while 13% were "Not registered in 2006/Ineligible/too young".

That questions & its answers alone are enough to tell me that the category is a mish-mash that can't be trusted too much.  Some of them certainly belong in that category.  And some of those who voted in 2006 won't show up in 2010. But if they did vote in 2006, odds are (better than 50/50) that they will vote in 2010.  They are likely voters. At least that's been the premise of every GOTV effort I've ever heard of.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Maybe this will help to understand who "Drop Off Voters" are (4.00 / 4)

For me, and maybe some others here, theory of sets helps in getting a mental picture when it comes to understanding how a group is defined. So, here:

 Drop Off Voters

 Of course, this still begs the question why this hodgepodge group of people should be significant in any way...



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Clarifying The Mud (4.00 / 1)
I, too, love Venn diagrams.  Loved them since I was first introduced to them in the summer after 3rd grade.

But what GOTV operation worth its salt is going to use intention to vote this far out as part of a "likely voter" screen?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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BTW (Mud II) (0.00 / 0)
1% of likely voters didn't vote in 2008.  So your diagram is too rational for DC's actual data.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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That shouldn't be possible according to their own definition! (4.00 / 2)
Oh, damn, those pollsters really suck. Probably a total waste of time to make some sense out of their crap.
|-(

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the 1% are people who were too young in 2008 (0.00 / 0)
It's right on page one. We do know that some 18 and 19 year olds will vote.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

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The definition says clearly "2008 voters"! (0.00 / 0)
So, those who were to young to vote can't be in the scope of this poll. If the pollsters aren't accurate with their definition and choicee of participants, the whole accuracy of the result is questionable. Such errors multiply and can eaily reach  critical level.

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Also (0.00 / 0)
20% of "likely voters" say they will "probably" vote in 2010 (Question 9).

So what makes them "likely voters", as opposed to the 31% of "drop-off voters" who are "almost certain" to vote?

It's just a ludicrous hodge-podge, so far as I can see.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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"The Base" (?) (4.00 / 2)
I really do not understand this post.
First off, you consistently put the base in quotes....what is that, are you calling into question the concept of the base? Here's a common definition, from Wikipedia:
"In politics, the term base refers to a group of voters who almost always support a single party's candidates for elected office. Base voters are very unlikely to vote for the candidate of an opposing party, regardless of the specific views each candidate holds."

Then you take a poll of generically "unlikely voters" (which given the subjectivity of defining such people I think deserves quotes far more) and apparently equate that with your definition of "the base". WTF?

Non-voters lean Democratic, that is clear, but they are not "the base". If we depended upon them to win in 2010 or any other year we would lose badly. The reason that nonvoting partisans are/would be important is because they otherwise would vote (and did in 2008), thus creating a "hole" in votes for Democratic candidates.

When Kos and others in the "left-wing media" (scare quotes are fun!) say that the base will be demoralized, and not vote, they mean that these otherwise reliable Democratic votes will join the many "low-information voters" who do not regularly vote. Voter turnout in the historic 2008 Presidential election was what, no higher than 65% of eligible voters, yes? Quite literally no one suggests that those 35% who didn't are anyone's base*.
Except you.

Oh, but surely most of these "unlikely voters" are demoralized base voters, right? Well, here's another question from the poll:

Q.5 As you know, there was an election for Congress and other offices in 2006. Many people weren't able to vote. How about you? Were you able to vote or for some reason were you unable to vote?
Total Voters/Likely Voters/Drop-Off Voters
Voted...............................................................................84/94/23
Not registered in 2006/Ineligible/too young......................7/6/13
Did not vote......................................................................6/-/43
(Can't remember/Don't know) ..........................................3/-/21

I find it hard to believe that any partisan Democrats of the kind likely to be demoralized by President Obama didn't vote for him (or "can't remember", a cop-out if I ever heard one). So at most 23% of the "unlikely voters" actually could be considered part of the base (and maybe a few from the "too young" category). Oh, but don't forget to subtract the McCain voters!

Demoralized Dem partisans trying to send a message would be lucky to be even 1/6th of the "unlikely voters" who gave the President such good marks. So you are basically saying that because they are swamped by the mass of nonvoters, the whole concept is a sham. Color me unimpressed.

* (excepting, of course, some of the small fraction of the electorate who were too young in 2008 but now are eligible)


take me for example (4.00 / 6)
1) I donated $2,000 to Obama
2) I worked on his campaign
3) I'm furious about
a) holder not prosecuting bush
b) geithner selling out to wall street
c) emanuel and summers existing
d) ME getting totally screwed on healthcare - even if Obama's bill passes I cannot get a policy til 2014 - and I'm not even sick - I've never hit my deductible - I need insurance to protect my house and savings and all I can get is "HIPA" for $800 a month until 2014

Hence I hate Obama's frikkin' guts and won't donate penny and am unlikely to vote.  


Yeah (4.00 / 1)
That would be my objection to Chris' definition.  To me, the Base --in the context of a mid-term election-- is people who are active in politics, the kind of people who give money, knock on doors, make phone calls, etc. and that includes activists and unions and fired up loyalists. Those are the people who help get the unlikely voters to the polls aren't they?

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I have written before (4.00 / 6)
that I believe this focus on polling of Democrats' chances is a harmful approach to trying to effect progressive change. The inevitable consequence is to ensnare the progressives and the left in the campaign-du-jour for the newest, slightly-more-progressive, possibly-more-progressive-than-what-we-currently-have candidate. It just seems to me the least worthwhile place to put energy. Our country is falling apart and the reactionary politics that Republicans AND Democrats are espousing and following are hastening our problems not solving them. Whomever we progressives support and elect we get the same Bush-Cheney policies (albeit with some of the more egregious edges filed off). In addition the problem with polling Obama is that his numbers are soft, very soft. What will happen when attacked full-throttle is very different from poll numbers in the present sterile environment. The Republicans as a party offer exactly nothing, exactly zero and are toxic. But come the election their candidate will SEEM like he has depth, will SEEM like he is offering something positive, and will not be so toxic. That is when the poll numbers now will be meaningless. Even Bush who never had a positive thought in his life, let alone a positive policy, used "compassionate conservative" and NCLB to project positive change.
Here is a poll from the Boston Globe a week before the Mass Senate election this January showing Coakley ahead by 15 points:
http://www.boston.com/news/loc...

Is it incompetence? Or did they miss something essential. If I remember the post-election polls among former Obama voters who supported Brown, a sizable number were angry about the awful Senate Health Care reform bill...the same one that Bowers tells us is chock full of concessions to progressives. Whatever the sentiments really are out there, we must fashion a new politics on the left which puts elections secondary to pushing a progressive program.


I look at this and see (4.00 / 4)
a different story. First off, what is the definition of "likely" and "unlikely" voters? I'm guessing it has something to do with one's voting record,"likely" voters being people who have consistently voted for years, and voted in primaries. In other words, the base. If this is correct, then Obama has lost half his base.

"Unlikely" voters are probably the neophytes and groupies, people who voted for Obama once but have not yet made voting a lifelong habit. They still approve of Obama, but if they are unlikely to vote, how much help are they going to be?

Montani semper liberi


But wait -- (4.00 / 2)
I missed the fact that "likely" voters are not purely Democratic ones. So it's not half his base he's lost but probably what, a quarter or so?

We really can't tell for sure, based on this data, but I will point out that "almost" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. "Almost" securing your base is not a good position to be in for any politician.

Montani semper liberi


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Well,,,,, this was certainly a good thread for a slow news day ;) (4.00 / 2)
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i'm pretty sure (4.00 / 3)
that it depends on what your definition of "is" is.

Why are they unlikely to vote if they support Obama? (4.00 / 1)
I don't get that. The only explanation that comes to mind is that their support is just an empty personality cult that doesn't transfer either to support for issues or to the Democrats supporting Obama. Obama did bring a lot of new people into politics, but apparently their commitment was pretty empty. Obama's campaigned on slogans and feelgood  more than specifics; he did talk about specifics, but didn't organize his campaign around them. (And one of his specifics was bipartisanship and an end to political ill feeling, and we can see how well that worked out.)

Alternatively, maybe they're more likely to vote than the traditional indicators make it seem.


Doe the poll really say this? (4.00 / 1)
Question 9 in the poll.

Q.9 I know it is a long way off, but what are the chances of your voting in the election for Congress this November: are you almost certain to vote, will you probably vote, are the chances 50-50, or don't you think you will vote?

These numbers were broken down between "Likely" and "Drop Off" voters.  In other words:  the determination of a voter as "Likely" or "Drop Off" appears to have been made based on past voting behavior and not based on anticipated future behavior because the breakdown between the two was made before the question about future behavior was asked.

If my reading is correct (and I'm not so sure that it is), this poll says absolutely nothing about whether Obama's base is leaving as they would be counted among "Likely" voters based on their past voting behavior not as "Drop Off Voters" base on their anticipated behavior.


Doe the poll really say this? (0.00 / 0)
Question 9 in the poll.

Q.9 I know it is a long way off, but what are the chances of your voting in the election for Congress this November: are you almost certain to vote, will you probably vote, are the chances 50-50, or don't you think you will vote?

These numbers were broken down between "Likely" and "Drop Off" voters.  In other words:  the determination of a voter as "Likely" or "Drop Off" appears to have been made based on past voting behavior and not based on anticipated future behavior because the breakdown between the two was made before the question about future behavior was asked.

If my reading is correct (and I'm not so sure that it is), this poll says absolutely nothing about whether Obama's base is leaving as they would be counted among "Likely" voters based on their past voting behavior not as "Drop Off Voters" base on their anticipated behavior.


... (0.00 / 0)
So the DSCC, the DCCC, all the State Campaigns and the White house need to be developing a strategy to get these people to TURN OUT for Midterms.

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