Inaccurate report says Rep. Jerry McNerney says he will vote "no" from the left

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Mar 09, 2010 at 15:23


CORRECTION to original story: See here
Chris Bowers :: Inaccurate report says Rep. Jerry McNerney says he will vote "no" from the left
Via TPMDC Jerry McNerney joins Rep. Mike Arcuri in switching from "yes" to "no" on health reform:

McNerney criticized the current version of healthcare reform passed by the U.S. Senate for the deals it makes with certain states, its lack of a public option and the inadequate number of people it extends coverage to. He said he would not vote in favor of that version of the bill if it comes back to the House.

"We want to get our healthcare up to international standards, and we want to do it in a way that is American," McNerney said in response to a question from the audience. "Costs are escalating at a rate that's unacceptable, and the people want something done."

This makes McNerney only the second member of the House to declare he is opposing the bill from the left.  Representative Dennis Kucinich has already done so.

It would be nice to have a full transcript of McNerney's remarks, because the sections quoted here don't make much sense.

McNerney does not think the bill covers enough people, so apparently he values covering as many people as possible.  Which is why, apparently, he will adopt a course of action that results in fewer people being covered.

On the other hand, if McNerney believes the bill will cause costs to increase more rapidly due to the lack of a public option, and / or simply opposes forcing people to purchase a private product, that is a consistent, non-contradictory position that at least makes sense.

Since this is a partial report at a townhall event, more clarity will be needed from McNerney's office to determine his rationale.  Still, no matter what his rationale is, it is a pretty big blow to passing health reform.  It is an even bigger blow to passing health reform with giving in to the Stupak bloc.


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Well, yesterday (4.00 / 2)
TPM called Kucinich the "Nader of health care reform" -- its highest insult. Guess there are a few Naders coming out of the woodwork.  

Wonder if Pelosi could placate him (4.00 / 3)
by guaranteeing a public vote on a Public Option amendment, along the same lines as she placated Stupak last time.

I hope so. (4.00 / 1)
Because that vote might pass.

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Yep. (4.00 / 3)
It might not, but then at least we'd know who the rats are.

At this point, I just want a public vote on the PO in both the House and the Senate.  

I would also love a standardized issue position questionnaire for all federal candidates that forces them to take positions on all of this.  Better yet, hotlink said questionnaire to electronic balloting machines.  

I'm sick of them having it both ways on EVERYTHING.  


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Absolutely agree (4.00 / 2)
On the up or down vote on a PO.  If they don't think it'll pass, then Obama and the Dems haver nothing to worry about.  If they do think it'll pass, then why the hell aren't we voting on it already?

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They don't want to piss off the voters or the corporate donors (0.00 / 0)
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well either: (0.00 / 0)
a) they don't think it will pass in the senate and lead to an impasse and end up killing the bill and it's the bill they value the most OR
b) some conspiracy theory.

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Time to put the theories to the test (4.00 / 2)
Pelosi should add Medicare Buy-in to the reconciliation bill, assuming that gets her two more votes.

we'll see (0.00 / 0)
but is he against it with a reconciliation fix? Depending on what the question was, it might not be relevant. I'd like to see the full question and response, but then again maybe a "no" is clear enough.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

Stop! (0.00 / 0)
This report is from February 18th... A lot has changed since then....  He was talking about the Senate bill as a whole, not a fixed one.

His office still claims that McNerney is looking at all options.

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


Oh, and Arcuri is back to undecided... (0.00 / 0)
That's what his office told the plum line, yesterday...

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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They'll get the votes (4.00 / 1)
The bribery hasn't even started in earnest.  

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Thank God for McNerney and Kucinich (4.00 / 4)
At least there are a couple of real Democrats still left in Congress.

Yeap, I now judge people by how much the capitulators yell against them. (4.00 / 3)


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The sick people enjoy you using them... (0.00 / 0)
...as pawns for your little game of kill the bill for 40 years...

I hope you contribute mightily to their health care costs.

I guess it's easy to kill the bill when you are healthy.  I expect those from the right to treat sick people like second class citizens.  I never expected that the left would treat them worse.

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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Yeah (4.00 / 6)
it's our fault for expecting real health care reform like we voted for (and Obama promised as a cornerstone of his campaign platform.)  Not Obama who wrote the bill at the feet of said greedy insurance companies, not the conservadems who sold out reform in bits and pieces for lobby money, not Stupak who decided to stick it to women's rights for the hell of it, not Lieberman who single-handedly assassinated the PO for his insurance buddies, not the Republicans who crap on their constituents daily and fearmonger until our system breaks.

Yeah, it's our fault for having convictions and being willing to take a hit politically today for a better tomorrow.  Please, this line is so worn out it can't hold a knot.


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Better tomorrow, really? (0.00 / 0)
If the bill gets killed, when will your magical reform take place?

I predict another 100 years... after all, we've had so much reform in the last 100 years...

Better tomorrow, my ass!

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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A century of suffering? (4.00 / 2)
What is the basis for the idea that it's either this bill, now or nothing, ever?  Your arguments come across as extortion rather than persuasion.

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History (0.00 / 0)
There's a reason why reform hasn't passed in a 100 years... it's nearly impossible to do it in this political system of ours.

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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The New Deal, Social Security, Civil Rights, and Medicare (0.00 / 0)
All passed before 1910?  Wow, the people that lived through the Great Depression would be so surprised!

You are talking out your rear here mate, it doesn't even pass a basic sniff test.  Medicare was in the 1980s under Reagan.  Reagan!

If we are willing to push for it, we can get single payer in 2010 or 2011.  If we really want it and push our congresspeople.


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Maybe the day after this bill dies? (0.00 / 0)
That is assuming of course that all you serious, compassionate, moderate Dems don't slink away defeated when Obama or Reid tell you it's hopeless.  The fight continues as long as we push it, it dies only when we (as a group) decide to stop.

The health system is so damn broken in America that it cannot go on this way.  Actually, I believe by passing this bill you'd be delaying the inevitable by a good 3-4 years, causing more suffering, lack of quality insurance, and death by giving villagers a cover story on how things are going to improve once "the health bill kicks in" (which it never will.)  

Rebuking this bill makes sure that doing it this way again is a non-starter and opens the playfield for other reforms (ya' know, REAL reforms.)  I think single payer is more than a fantasy, I think we are a months from being able to push it through.  But it takes us standing together and pushing for what we deserve, what we demand as fair treatment from our govt.


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Keep fantasizing.. (0.00 / 0)
After the Clinton reforms died, everyone said, "Oh, we'll do it next year."

It took 16 years.  How long do you think it will take next time.  What politician would be STUPID enough to try refomr again after their approval ratings went into the toilet because of it?

You're not going to get another attempt at reform until every presently serving member of congress has retired.  They won't forget, and will not touch this again with a 10 foot pole.

People who think that we'll just "start over" are living in a fantasy world.  What congressperson ants to touch this at all?  No one!

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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This is not the Clinton years (0.00 / 0)
Healthcare costs were less than half what they are now man.  There is simply no way to continue with a system this broken in the USA.  In 1993, it could last until 2009 before the weight was crushing because of that failure.  Today it's already crushing, it will be an issue until a solution is found.  

So yes, due to necessity and the scale of the problem, I believe even if this bill goes down in flames, we'll be talking about healthcare again at the eve of the next presidential election at the absolute latest.

You seem to forget your other argument as well.  If losing this battle would flip the incumbent seats to newcomers this fall, then those congress ants won't be there anymore.  And if we flip those seats again due to inaction on our issues, suddenly we might have a responsive congress willing to tackle HCR for real.

Thinking 2 or 3 turns ahead can pay off, instead of just fighting the HCR like it was 1993 again.  I might be wrong sure, but to me real HCR is worth the risk.  Or do you think the 40,000 people a year are not worth a prolonged struggle?


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Try these manipulations with others. (4.00 / 2)


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Yes, those who actually believe that compassion... (0.00 / 0)
... for the less fortunate as a progressive trait, unlike the cold political calculators who are supposed to be the sole domain of the right.

Killing the bill is not progressive, it's reactionary... (i.e. right wing)



REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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Love the rally cry (4.00 / 5)
"Come on gang, let's go out and capitulate. Harder. Harder."

Obama cannot fail, we can only fail him.


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OK! I declare you get the award for Comment of the Day! (0.00 / 0)
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Hey, I thought I had made up that saying about the president. Cool to see (0.00 / 0)
others who thought it up as well.  

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Hey, I thought I had made up that saying about the president. Cool to see (0.00 / 0)
others who thought it up as well.  

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Repeating the manipulation makes it no less manipulation (4.00 / 3)


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Mike, nowhere in the comments from the bill-busting left (4.00 / 1)
is a shred of compassion for people. Its all about power and ego-trips.

I am a man of the left, and will remain so. I think that Obama is just about the only person in Washington who is motivated by progressive ideals and has the practical skills of getting things done. I read Chris's posts because they are filled with information unobtainable elsewhere, and good analysis.

But these these discussions have taught me a thing about the hard left. You can't distinguish them very easily from the hard right.  


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Really? (4.00 / 1)
I think that Obama is just about the only person in Washington who is motivated by progressive ideals and has the practical skills of getting things done.

Are you sure about that? Read that again. Really? That's what you think?

If so, I can see where you'd find it easy to fall into such a false equivalence.


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Go read Tonys comments. (0.00 / 0)


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Well,,, if we ever start a left wing teabag movement (0.00 / 0)
We know who can lead it.  He certainly has the analytical capabilities.  

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
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you can be calculating and compassionate (4.00 / 1)
being compassionate and devoid of any sense of what's around you doesn't help anyone very much.

of course, it's better if you're just accountable, rather than depending on your own sense of good will and intelligence - actually going to the people and putting this to a district by district and state by state referendum to determine the votes would be ideal.  

if they can have play-congress on cspan.org where republicans and democrats get an equal say and the president is the referee, they can certainly do what i'm suggesting.


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For what it's worth (4.00 / 3)
I'm in the kill-the-bill camp (if the bill has an individual mandate and no PO) and I currently do not have health insurance.  Incidentally, I am also currently (mildly) ill.

I guess that makes me stupid, huh?


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no your opinion doesn't count (0.00 / 0)
it doesn't help someone's case, so your real life experience of actually being affected by the health care system and forming your own political and personal opinions is therefore meaningless.

god forbid someone actually ask people who are affected by something what they think.


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Honestly (4.00 / 1)
We're all affected by this.  Someone might be sick today and affected now, but anyone can discover they have cancer tomorrow and be in the same boat.  Everyone gets sick, everyone needs health care at some point, so the insurance problem is not limited to who is sick right now, today.  

The part that pisses me off is the argument that passing this bill is going to suddenly cure all those 40,000 people this year.  The damn thing won't even be fully in effect until 2013!  If we really wanted to start a new bill with single payer (or Medicare for all) by 2012 we could save another 40,000 lives (by that logic.)  

I just can't understand why this isn't important enough for people to fight for.  Single payer on one side, massive insurance company handout on the other.  What the heck?!?


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re: second class citizens (0.00 / 0)
I guess it's easy to kill the bill when you are healthy.  I expect those from the right to treat sick people like second class citizens.  I never expected that the left would treat them worse.

what you want to do is throw the uninsured to the wolves that are the private health insurance companies. those companies care about one thing and one thing only: money. they don't give a fuck about the uninsured.

they will save the absolute minimum that's necessary to keep their scam going. what about the lives that will be lost with the throw 'em to the wolves scheme?

what we want is a damn public option to keep them honest and get us in a situation where we will save a lot more lives. how is that a bad thing?


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Many sick folk would LOVE to be slaves... (0.00 / 0)
...of the private insurance companies.  They are BEGGING to be slaves or private insurance.  Why?  'cos they are ineligible for any sort of coverage now.

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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re: slaves (0.00 / 0)
I want something better for them than have a few be slaves of the private insurance companies, while the rest are kicked on the road. And for that I don't have any compassion...

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you are insane mate (0.00 / 0)
that is just off your rocker nuts.  

It's like saying anyone would LOVE to become a slave if a slaver was holding their head underwater and if they agree to servitude he'll let them breathe.  Of course they would do it, out of a keen sense of personal survival and absolute fear of death.  But who would choose to breathe again and not be indebted to the slaver if they had a choice?  Damn next to every human being on the planet lord_mike.  Your thinking is incredibly flawed.

Someone dying of cancer would do anything to get into a hospital and get treatment so they won't die.  That's called being human.  It is a base reaction to wanting to avoid death and keep living.  They might even agree to servitude if it was the only offer.  But they would not LOVE it, no one would actually prefer that offer to getting the health care paid by the state or your taxes.

We have choices in a democratic republic, that is why we are arguing right now.  I choose healthcare for all and making sure we all pay in so we can all have health care if we need it.  You seem to choose love of bondage to insurance companies.  I can't understand your desire to be weak to these jackals.


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It's OK guys (4.00 / 1)
Chris just spent 2 days arguing tooth and nail that Democrats will never give in to the left due to representatives and their constituents having the will to kill the bill.  So obviously this can't be happening, we need the full transcipts and medical evaluations and military records, and criminal reports to figure out the REAL reason a liberal is willing to kill a corporate handout bill.  I'm sure he'll discover the reason any minute now and we can get back to kicking the progressive hippies for expecting anything other than thin gruel.

(I'm not piling on Chris here, I'm trying to show peeps that there is a lot more anger on the left about this bill than you think and it runs very deep.  The surprise here will be repeated over and over until you start to see what is going on here.  Politics as usual is no longer the only game in town.)


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