In October, Shadegg called single-payer the step before "Soviet-style gulag"

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 15:55


Today, Representative John Shadegg (R-AZ) took bad faith to a new level, claiming he supports single-payer in a discussion with David Shuster on MSNBC:

"The reality is, this bill is going to reward for-profit insurance companies that have done a disservice," Shadegg said. "This bill is going to give them exactly what they wanted. The insurance industry, the for-profit insurance industry, wanted an individual mandate and that's what they're getting out of this bill. The for-profit insurance industry did not want a public option because they don't like competition and guess what? They're getting that."

Then, after some back and forth with Shuster: "I would support single-payer."

"You would support a government-run medical system?" Shuster asked.

"Absolutely," Shadegg said. "I would support forcing American insurance companies to compete. Right now they have a monopoly.

Yeah.  Which is why, last May, Shadegg attacked government run health insurance, the public option, and single-payer:

But Obama is pushing a public plan that he claims will somehow co-exist with private insurance. Shadegg isn't buying it.

"Ultimately, that so-called public plan, or government plan, will run the private sector out of business, because the guys that are operating the public plan are setting the rules for the guys running the private plan," Shadegg says.

The congressman says Obama does not want people to think he will replace private health insurance. That's because of Democrats' bitter experience with the plan pushed by Hillary Clinton when her husband was president.

"I think Hillary figured out after the fact that when she proposed to dramatically change the healthcare system in America at a time when most Americans were relatively happy with their healthcare, she scared people," Shadegg says. "She wanted the same thing that Obama wants, but she was more forthright in proposing it, saying look, we need to go to a single-payer system. And she lost the fight."(...)

"The question is, through what mechanism do you deliver health insurance?" Shadegg says. "Do you put them in a government-run program that forces everybody into a one-size-fits-all kind of cookie cutter system and is run by the government and therefore not subject to the rules of competition, or alternatively, do you facilitate every American being in a system driven by choice, one that produces competition to hold down costs and drive up quality?"

And then, top up the ante, in October Shadegg described single-payer as the step before a Soviet-style gulag:

You know, it occurs to me, and I'll go through these other scandals very quickly, but what we're really getting here is we're not just getting single-payer care. We're getting full on Russian gulag, Soviet-style gulag health care.

So yeah, I believe Shadegg is being honest here.  He isn't just cynically parroting left-wing complaints about the bill or anything.  He really supports single-payer.

Chris Bowers :: In October, Shadegg called single-payer the step before "Soviet-style gulag"

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And thus you have pointed out (4.00 / 1)
Why 1) the GOP has become irrelevant hypocrites and 2) we should give up hope of ever relying on bipartisanship to solve the problems of our country.

And, if we accept 1 & 2 above, how can we have any hope for an Obama presidency.  For me it would seem Obama himself has tied his policy to the dictation and veracity of the GOP.  

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Well, Obama can change his tactics. (4.00 / 2)
I won't be holding my breath though. Obama will need to be steamrolled to get real reform on anything.

If I were in the House or Senate, I would attach the Grayson Medicare buy-in bill as an amendment to every bill until leadership allows an up or down vote of it as a stand alone in both houses. It might not pass, but it will clarify things so that we will know exactly who to primary.

Or what would be a little more clever: do the same thing but with a repeal of the mandates. That would give Republicans no where to hide on this and cut them off at the knees with their attempt to play both sides of this issue. It would probably even pass with bipartisan support. This would give the insurance industry plenty of incentive to come back to the bargaining table so that we can get a public option.

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Remember when being called a "flip-flopper"… (0.00 / 0)
...was one of the worst criticisms you could level at a politician? It hurt John Kerry pretty badly, and a couple of years ago also derailed Romney's chances. I just hope when the time is right we can find some way to punish GOP-ers like Shadegg for talking out of both sides of their mouths. Believe it or not, his tactics may work for the short-term news cycle, but ultimately I think it just underscores GOP obstruction strategy, and will be easy to use against them in the long term.  

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Seems to me that this little pice of video (0.00 / 0)
would make a good ad for someone in a primary race against Shadegg that is running to his right.

How does supporting single payer and big government take over of healthcare play with the Tea Partiers and the GOPper base?

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


It sounds like he is just an idiot (0.00 / 0)
"I would support forcing American insurance companies to compete. Right now they have a monopoly."

I don't care if Shadegg called it single-payer.  What he is describing (i.e. private insurers competing with the government) is the public option or Medicare buy-in.

He might be disingenuous about that support, but still.


So, it's a bit over the top, but he still basically agrees with Obama. (4.00 / 1)
Single payer health care is "neither practical nor realistic."

Both are opponents of single payer.  Both have done, and will probably continue to do, everything in their power to keep single payer from seriously entering the discussion.  

Both are lying about their reasons for doing so.  Does it really matter how big of a whopper each one tells?

At least Shadegg got creative with it.


Comrade Shadegg: Please don't take my socialist Medicare away! (0.00 / 0)
Or we'll have to look into your state's corporate welfare deals.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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