Reminds me of Matt's post on Clinton's "highest priorities" (0.00 / 0)

Ah, the value of a poor message hammered into our heads.


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by: Adam Bink @ Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 18:55:22 PM UTC

Standard PR (0.00 / 0)

It's such by-the-book PR technique that they should be a little embarrassed to be using it. It's meant to convey "I had such high hopes for him, but have since learned that those hopes were misplaced. I'm so disappointed, as I'm sure you are."

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by: DaveW @ Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 19:52:26 PM UTC

I do not think it means what you think it means. (0.00 / 0)

Great "Princess Bride" quote.

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by: Rob McC @ Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 20:02:07 PM UTC

Response (4.00 / 1)

"Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage. Anger at the way things are and courage to see that they do not remain as they are." - Augustine of Hippo, c. 410 AD

Democrats, Americans, and Sen. Obama all have a right to be angry at the lack of courage displayed in the Authorizaton of the Use of Military Force/Iraq vote. We also have an obligation to do something about it, if this country can find the courage to look at Iraq War for what it was, a failure of leadership in both parties. It's not 'Bush's War'. It's America's disaster.

John McCain

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by: joejoejoe @ Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 20:27:02 PM UTC

My god (0.00 / 0)

Where did you find that quote? It's amazing. That sentiment has been rattling around in my head for the past month or so, I had no idea it was a century and a half old.

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by: Dan Ancona @ Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 04:21:18 AM UTC

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Quote (4.00 / 1)

It's a pretty famous quote. I'm not sure where I saw it first and the original context is lost (the quote is 1600 years old). People who I respect have told me that Augustine was a bit of mixed bag but after 1600 years I'm willing to overlook a few things.

Here is the column where I think I first found the quote...

http://clergycorner....

...and here is specific link to the quote itself.

http://www.dontquote...

John McCain

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by: joejoejoe @ Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 05:29:21 AM UTC

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Interesting take(s) on Hillary that I believe many of us miss: (0.00 / 0)

Hillary Offers Little Change to Bush's Policies
By Radley Balko
http://www.foxnews.c...

h/t: http://www.antiwar.c... [OK!;-)]

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by: SandThroughTheEyeGlass @ Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 20:44:34 PM UTC

Pretty obvious (0.00 / 0)

Guess Obama scares them when he offers people something positive to be for rather than a lesser evil. I don't happen to believe his offering, but there is a substantial constituency that want his kind of hope and apparently the Clinton operatives think that must be broken up.

Can it happen here?

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by: janinsanfran @ Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 20:47:47 PM UTC

It's unfortunate that Howard Wolfson (0.00 / 0)

is abandoning the politics of hope by dishonestly and hypocritically accusing his candidate's rivals of abandoning the politics of hope. I can't stand that guy. He's like the Dem version of Bob Novak--doom, gloom, lies and smear. Hillary's organization is a soulless political machine that has about as much to do with hope and optimism as a GOP debate at a traditionally black college. They're clearly emulating the RWNM that she's always complained about. Pathetic.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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by: kovie @ Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 21:05:34 PM UTC

Yeah and to think that: (0.00 / 0)

Howard Wolfson wife Terri McCullough is Pelosi's Chief of Staff *shiver*

http://query.nytimes...

Looks like the Hillary campaign has covered all the bases...

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by: SandThroughTheEyeGlass @ Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 21:24:43 PM UTC

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Oh, Jeez (0.00 / 0)

And I thought that only the Pubs did nepotism. This gets worse every day...

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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by: kovie @ Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 05:38:33 AM UTC

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Yeah, but Obama's response is better (4.00 / 2)

link:

That, in turn, prompted a retort from Obama spokesman Bill Burton, who noted that Clinton began her presidential quest promising a conversation with voters.

``Whatever happened to the politics of 'Let's chat' and 'Let's have a conversation?''' he said. ``Obviously, they find it irritating to answer tough questions on important issues like Iran.''

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by: Adam B. @ Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 21:31:08 PM UTC

Unfortunate (0.00 / 0)

Snark and sarcasm may be acceptable modes of communication in the blogosphere, but I expect WAY more from campaign spokespeople.

It's UNFORTUNATE that Hillary's communications team is so deeply mired in poll-tested rhetorical platitudes.

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by: astrodem @ Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 00:19:13 AM UTC

Memo to Hillary (4.00 / 1)

Opposing your ideas and policies on various issues is not "abandoning the politics of hope", it's called debate.

If you wish to stifle debate, you're no better than our current President.

Full disclosure: I support Bill Richardson for President.

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by: rainierguy @ Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 02:58:52 AM UTC

I should add (0.00 / 0)

That I have no problem whatsoever with a campaign repeating a line over and over. It's called discipline and it's how you get a message out. The Clinton machine is executing very, very well.

I do have a problem with someone saying that hope means you can't so much as draw a contrast! Sheesh!

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by: Dan Ancona @ Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 04:23:04 AM UTC

So what kind of retort (0.00 / 0)

should we expect to see when Rudy attacks Hillary about her health-care plan?

Something along the lines of 'why don't you have your wife call you, and tell us all what your plan is'. Or some-such ad-hominem/mt rhetoric that turns voters off to the political process, and perpetuates the divide and conquer bullshit that we have been dealing with for far too long.

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by: red83 @ Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 14:39:15 PM UTC