Over / under on % of Republicans who think environmentalists sabotaged oil rig: 45%

by: Chris Bowers

Mon May 03, 2010 at 17:46


The latest Republican conspiracy theory is that the oil spill happened because environmentalists opposed to offshore drilling sabotaged the oil rig. Several prominent republican media figures are already parroting this theory.  First, of course, Rush Limbaugh:

But this bill, the cap-and-trade bill, was strongly criticized by hardcore environmentalist wackos because it supposedly allowed more offshore drilling and nuclear plants, nuclear plant investment. So, since they're sending SWAT teams down there, folks, since they're sending SWAT teams to inspect the other rigs, what better way to head off more oil drilling, nuclear plants, than by blowing up a rig? I'm just noting the timing here.

Dana Perino:

On Fox and Friends this morning, former Bush Press Secretary Dana Perino said she was "not trying to introduce a conspiracy theory" before asking, "But was this deliberate?" "If there was sabotage involved," wondered Perino.

Turkana has more on how this is spiraling. Right now, "respectable" Republican media figures are suggesting that environmentalists might have done this.  However, it won't be long before this becomes a definite conspiracy orchestrated by Barack Obama himself.

Although no poll has yet been conducted, I am going to start placing odds on the percentage of self-identified Republicans who believe that the oil rig cuaising the current spill was sabotaged by environmental SWAT teams acting independently, or at the direction of President Obama himself.

Past polling offers some clues as to how many Republicans believe this.  Last year, according to PPP, 52% of self-identified Republicans believe that ACORN stole the election for Obama.  In March, Harris produced a slew of relevant findings:

Majorities of Republicans believe that President Obama:
  • Is a socialist (67%)
  • Wants to take away Americans' right to own guns (61%)
  • Is a Muslim (57%)
  • Wants to turn over the sovereignty of the United States to a one world government (51%); and
  • Has done many things that are unconstitutional (55%)
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Also large numbers of Republicans also believe that President Obama:
  • Resents America's heritage (47%)
  • Does what Wall Street and the bankers tell him to do (40%)
  • Was not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president (45%)
  • Is the "domestic enemy that the U.S. Constitution speaks of" (45%)
  • Is a racist (42%)
  • Want to use an economic collapse or terrorist attack as an excuse to take dictatorial powers (41%)
  • Is doing many of the things that Hitler did (38%)

Even more remarkable perhaps, fully 24% of Republicans believe that "he may be the Anti-Christ" and 22% believe "he wants the terrorists to win."

It won't be long before at least 51% of Republicans think that the oil rig was sabotaged, as that is the same percentage of Republicans who think that Obama wants to use a crisis to take dictatorial powers. That conspiracy theory has never received public validation from prominent conservative voices, or tat least not as much validation as the oil rig theory is currently receiving.

However, it  is unlikely that 57% of Republicans believe the oil rig of was sabotaged, which is the same percentage of Republicans who believe he is a Muslim. That theory has been pushed for a long-time in Republican circles, and the oil rig theory will never  receive the same circulation. So, at most 56% of Republicans will believe that the oil rig was intentionally sabotaged.

This leaves us with a range of 41-56%.  While I am tempted to peg the number right at 51%, which is the same percentage of Republicans who think that Obama is seeking one-world government, belief that liberals are pushing for one-world government is a long running conservative conspiracy theory that isn't specific to Obama.  So, oil rig sabotage probably comes in at under 51%.

With the range now 41%-50%, I am going to go with 45% as the over / under mark.  This is the same percentage of Republicans who think that Obama was not born in the United States.  The birthers have never been fashionable, or a majority, of Republicans.  Even when it gets more media play, my feeling is that this theory seems like it will fall into that same category.  It might end up falling in the "under" category, because it is a new theory and hasn't received much media play yet.  Or, it might fall in the "over" category, because 25% of Democrats think that Bush let 9/11 happen to justify war, and there are usually about twice as many Republicans believing in these conspiracy theories as Democrats (for example, about twice as many Republicans think Obama stole the 2008 election as Democrats who think bush stole the 2004 election).

So, there is the over / under: 45%. Start placing your bets, and wait for the first poll!

Chris Bowers :: Over / under on % of Republicans who think environmentalists sabotaged oil rig: 45%

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What's The Over/Under On Which Circle of Hell Perino Lands In? (4.00 / 2)
Polls are so... mundane.

Fire & brimestone, not so much.

Get your Dante on!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Eighth Circle of Hell, obviously (4.00 / 4)
It's where the fraudulent end up: seducers, false councilors, hypocrites, alchemists, and corrupt politicians.

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[ Parent ]
But, Of Course (4.00 / 1)
Consistent fraud would argue otherwise.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
Meh (0.00 / 0)
She's like Angela on The Office. Ok to look at but keep the headphones on because there's cotton in them thar head!

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

[ Parent ]
Can they be that idiotic? (0.00 / 0)
So they can call Obama a socialist because they have no idea what the concept means except that they are to think it is something really, really icky; ergo, Obama must be a socialist.

They can cling to their birther fantasies because if true the charge could weaken the president's legitimacy; ergo he has no birth certificate.

But the notion that environmentalists would precipitate what will likely be the greatest ecological disaster in US history in the name of saving the environment? Surely not in any serious way?

Only those who think we must burn the village to save it could concoct such a patently stupid notion. The easy and willing embrace of this level of cognitive dissonance is staggering, truly.

Did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts? Hot ashes for trees? Hot air for a cool breeze? And cold comfort for change?


I work in East Texas (0.00 / 0)
This is hardly the first conspiracy theory relating to environmentalists that I've heard.  

[ Parent ]
Why not? (0.00 / 0)
That is how the actually think.  Neocons thought the Iraq War and taking on the Axis of Evil would cement U.S. power around the world.  In reality, the shorten the life expectancy of their empire by roughly 30s, I suspect.

If environmentalists were movement conservatives, an attack like this would be exactly what they would think of.

They don't understand liberals and never will, almost by definition.  Unfortunately, we actually can understand them if we actually try.


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I'll go with under (0.00 / 0)
wild optimist that I am.

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everytime a repug (0.00 / 0)
comments on something like this i remember that old refrain (all cons aren't stupid but all stupid people are cons) i rest my case wingnuts, oh i forgot, a mind is a terrible thing to waste, another oldie but a relevant goodie.

depends on question wording (4.00 / 1)
I think Ramussen could ask the question in such a way (Is it possible that...) to get over 45%. But I bet even a skeptically worded question would get 30+%.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

depends on question wording (4.00 / 1)
I think Ramussen could ask the question in such a way (Is it possible that...) to get over 45%. But I bet even a skeptically worded question would get 30+%.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

I happen to know for a FACT that Obama ate my dingo (4.00 / 3)
I can't prove it, and to be honest I never even had a dingo. But if I did have a dingo, Obama DEFINITELY ate it!

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

And that's why he's killing all the babies! (4.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
They are killing baby dingos (0.00 / 0)
I spent years in Oregon so I am very aware of your run-of-the-mill anti-environmentalist conspiracy theories, and not just from the black helicopter crowd.

But this conspiracy theory strikes me as several additional levels of idiocy.  There is just no opportunity or motive that is even remotely plausible here. It would be like accusing Martians of blowing up the rig.

Did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts? Hot ashes for trees? Hot air for a cool breeze? And cold comfort for change?


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Well (4.00 / 5)
Obama does hate NASA, or so I've heard... All the pieces are in place:

-- Obama and the environmentalists hate America and, naturally, oil.

-- Obama kills NASA and everything good American adventurers stand for in order to appease the Martians, who, as we all know, are also anti-American.

-- In exchange, the Martians blow up the rig, using their technology to frame it as an "accident," paving the way for...

-- Emergency environmental socialism imposed on American business... or something like that.

So, the Martians and the environmentalists did it. Or maybe the environmentalists are Martians. Hm.


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Subpoena power (4.00 / 3)
If they manage to take the House the following two years will be nothing but very costly "investigations."  This crowd is MUCH more extreme than when Clinton was in, or even when Bush was in, but even back then they held hearings on the government plot to kill innocent people at Waco, etc.

Back then the idea of the investigations was to keep people wrapped up responding to subpoenas, and bankrupted by lawyer bills.  This is what happened when Clinton was "investigated" and people with only peripheral association with Clinton were prosecuted for the smallest infractions, trying to get them to testify.  But then it was just politics.

It could be more dangerous than that now, if it isn't just political strategy and they try to "get" people for blowing up the oil rig, stealing the election, etc.

That could mean targeting people in the blogosphere as well.

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Yes (4.00 / 1)
I also wouldn't be surprised to hear the beginnings of impeachment hearings.  Though I almost kind of hope they do THAT, as I think it would backfire worse than it did in the '90s.  

[ Parent ]
Backfire? (0.00 / 0)
Why do you think impeachment backfired?  Remember the following election?  The election was between Bush, a draft-dodging, cussing, frat boy with no experience, and Gore, former seminary student, Vietnam veteran, long history of public service - and the election was about GORE'S character!

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[ Parent ]
The new (4.00 / 3)
theory will be that Obama is deliberately failing to stop the oil spill because he wants to use it to turn the US into an environmental police state.

I predict this theory will be on redstate or the free republic in 24 hours.

Many on the right really believe they live in a police state.  They are paranoid beyond all reason.


Only Red States (4.00 / 1)
Notice how this disaster only touches red states!  Coincidence?

[ Parent ]
Florida is technically Blue... (0.00 / 0)
And Louisiana is "technically" purple 'cos of Landrieu... although that's a stretch...

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
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REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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Florida is technically Blue... (0.00 / 0)
And Louisiana is "technically" purple 'cos of Landrieu... although that's a stretch...

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


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Too late... (4.00 / 2)
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpoin...

It was fiendishly clever of him to support offshore drilling before he went and bombed the oil rig!

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


[ Parent ]
Brownie (4.00 / 2)
I never bought into any of the talk that the Bushies' slow response to Katrina was anything other than pure incompetence and indifference. But given the heavy role of projection in conservative psychology, this comment from Brownie makes me wonder...

[ Parent ]
That was the timeline for 9/11 "conspiracies" (4.00 / 1)
From Bush/Cheney planning and implementing it (with the help of the Mossad, of course, can't have a good political conspiracy without them[!]), to the neo-con junta standing back and letting it go ahead so that they could use it as an excuse to initiate permawar in the middle east.

No reason this won't play out the same way. Same paranoia, different end of the polical spectrum.


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     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
The real question (4.00 / 1)
is how many will think that Obama orchestrated the Times Square attack to make himself look effective against terrorism...

To Chris's bet: I say Over (4.00 / 2)
I'm not in a very optimistic mood at the moment.  And I'm reminded of the good old days...

When I was overseas in the middle of nowhere, with only BBC on short wave in the early 90s, I read a newsweek article about how Rush Limbaugh, Madonna, and Marky Mark were stretching the bounds of acceptability in pop culture. I only knew who Madonna was.  As fellow Madonna diva Cher says: If I could turn back time.  (Sorry Marky.)


the difference (0.00 / 0)
The belief that Obama stole the 2008 election is missing something that is inherant in the overwhelming probability that Bush stole the 2004 election....All available evidence.

Government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob..... FDR

Mmm.... (0.00 / 0)
Well, there's no doubt that he's done many things that were unconstitutional. This is a problem for the left, I think -- differentiating our message from the right's nonsense. Sometimes the big tent leaves us speechless, and with Obama now in it, it's leaving us more speechless than ever, kinda like we were back in Hubert Humphrey's day. Being a Democrat in times like these often seems to mean arguing with everybody.

It's a dirty job, but I guess somebody's gotta do it....


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