Wave bye-bye? What if there is no GOP wave in November?

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat May 22, 2010 at 10:00


When Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, and George Bush was photographed posing with a guitar and giving John McCain a birthday cake, I had one happy thought to offset all the horror that was unfolding before us: I was convinced that the Democrats would win back Congress in 2006 with a wave election, and win a second wave election in 2008, along with the White House.  It would be, I believed, a classic realigning election. Howard Dean was already out there working on his 50-state strategy, which was absolutely huge.  But the Katrina disaster finally punctured the bubble of Versailles ass-covering for conservative failures.  My only regret, looking backward, was that I didn't write more systematically about what I felt.  While I was right about the shape of elections to come, the waves were not as large as I had hoped, nor were the policy consequences--due largely to Barack Obama's manic embrace of discredited conservative ideas.  This has helped enormously in extending the hegemonic continuity of Nixon-Reagan Era.  

With all the talk of a GOP wave in November, it has seemed that the once-promising opportunity to shake off 30 years of failed conservative policies was about to disappear.  (Obama's own infatuation with those failed policies, reflected most recently in David Kaib's quick hit, HUD is Trying to Privatize and Mortgage Off All of America's Public Housing, is another huge part of the problem--but outside the scope of this diary.  Suffice it to say that if Obama triangulates like this with large Democratic majorities, one shudders to think what he'd do with the GOP holding some actual face cards.)

Now, I think I've learned my lesson, though--which is to be far more outspoken about what I think the future holds.  Unfortunately, I'm not nearly as certain now as I was then.  But I am as certain that the conventional wisdom is missing something big--although as Tom Schaller notes the Critz victory in PA-12 is already having some impact on the conventional wisdom about a GOP wave in the House. But the wave election narrative is just the tip of the iceberg of what I'm thinking about.  The wave is a "what?" kind of question.  I'm thinking about "why?"--and "what's next?".

Before going any farther in thinking about the future, I need to add one more point about the past:  The change I foresaw in September 2005 did not actually materialize, due largely to Barack Obama's manic embrace of discredited conservative ideas--though of course he was not alone. This has helped enormously in extending the hegemonic continuity of Nixon-Reagan Era.  And that leads directly to what I think the conventional wisdom is missing:  the distinct possibility that that hegemony might actually fall apart sooner, rather than later.  I say only possibility, because that's all there realistically is at this time.  But Paul Krugman made a very good point last weekend with his post "Will 2010 be 1948?"

Taking note of the recent trend back toward a slight Democratic edge in Pollster.com's generic ballot poll average, Krugman wrote:

Paul Rosenberg :: Wave bye-bye? What if there is no GOP wave in November?
This has me thinking about the 1948 election, when Harry Truman shocked the pundits by pulling it out at the last minute. You might have thought that such a narrow victory wouldn't have changed that much - that people would have dismissed it as not giving Democrats a mandate to do much. In fact, however, it marked the end of Republican attempts to undo the New Deal (that is, until the rise of the hard right several decades later.) In effect, many people came to the conclusion that if the GOP couldn't pull off a win in such favorable circumstances, it wasn't ever going to be able to win until it changed its positions.

If Democrats hold on to the House this year - if a recovering economy and growing public revulsion over the crazies does the trick - it may have a similar effect.

I think that Krugman is absolutely right in spirit, if not in form.  There's just way too much conservative infrastructure out there for them to so easily change their tune, and Republican Party, in contrast, is far too weak,  So if a breakdown comes it will not play out the same way.  But the possibility of some kind of breakdown and reorientation on the right is a very real, and nowhere visible on the Versailles radar screen--and it could be matched by a parallel shake-up on the left as well.  So I'd like to talk about what that possibility is, and why that should help motivate progressives this election year.  Put simply, if the GOP fails to win a significant wave election come November, there could be substantially more political turmoil in the years ahead, leading to a resurgence of progressive activism that could, over time, start to seriously erode the hang-over of Nixon-Reagan hegemony.  Progressives have every reason to be furious with how the Democrats have preformed in power so far.  But a GOP wave in November could make things immeasurably worse.  OTOH, a GOP failure could help create a political opening for progressives--particularly given a much more realistic sense of just how much opposition we're up against within the Democratic Party.

What are the reasons for me thinking along these lines?  I'll give you X:

(1) There is currently a huge disconnect between the American people, and the elites of both parties.  Glenn Greenwald wrote about this on Wednesday ("What explains the anti-establishment sentiment?") where he wrote:

Why do Americans, seemingly regardless of party affiliation or geographic location, despise the political establishment?

One reason why media mavens seem reluctant, even unable, to grapple with this question is because it so plainly falls outside their familiar, comfortable narratives. Contrary to efforts earlier this year to depict the problem as one aimed at Democratic incumbents due to the unpopular health care plan and the growing "tea party" movement, Republican voters -- as demonstrated in Florida, Utah, and last night in Kentucky -- clearly hate their own party's leadership at least as much as the animosity directed toward Democratic incumbents.  The trend is plainly trans-partisan and trans-ideological, and the establishment political media has a very difficult time understanding or explaining dynamics about which that is true.

My explanation for why the trend is trans-partisan and trans-ideological is pretty simple and straightforward: Democrats have turned their backs on their working-class base, along with every other facet of their base.  Had they not done so, they would not be the targets of populist rage, they would be channeling it to achieve one smashing political victory after another.  To not have passed the Employee Free Choice Act within the first month or two was an inexcusable act of betrayal.  To not have passed a much larger stimulus, preventing state & local government budget crises was equally inexcusable. So, too, was the failure to force sweeping financial sector reforms when the big boys were down on their knees, and to help out Main Street at the same time.  There is no deep mystery here at all.

(2) Virtually all the Versailles narratives--as well as most of what's in the blogosphere--are based on short-term thinking that ignores long cycles of American politics, cycles that show periodic breaks from the conventional wisdom of one period to that of the next.  This short-term focus is as true of Chris's poll tracking and election projection as it is of Charlie Cook and Nate Silver.  There are both good and bad reasons for this, however.  The good reason is that that's where the detailed data is.  We simply don't have pre-election polling data for the 1934 midterms, for example.  The bad reason is more concentrated in Versailles, but it's fairly widespread in the blogosphere as well, and it's that fundamental long-term political change is largely unthinkable for most people. It's my position that we have to pay attention to the sort of nitty-gritty analysis that Chris does, because it would be downright foolish to ignore the best data we have.  But it would be equally foolish to uncritically assume that the best data we have is necessarily the best indication of what's to come.  Usually it is. But we do live in unusual times. There are long-term, much more unpredictable factors that could play a role, and if they do, all bets are off.

(3) There are significant indicators that give cause for a more optimistic outlook, but they are difficult to integrate into statistical models.  In a comment to Chris's most recent Senate forecast this past Wednesday, texas dem highlighted some of these factors, such as crossing a 2-1 cash-on-hand threshold, and having an advantage in favorable/unfavorable spreads.  As he explained,

my real point is that races that have been fully engaged by both parties are different than races that haven't been -- Sestak-Specter being the example par excellence.

I can certainly add a hearty "Amen!" to that from California.  The only reason Barbara Boxer looks to be anywhere close to trouble is the fact that the airwaves have been flooded with GOP candidates for both governor and senate, each trying to seem more anti-liberal than the other.  This is almost certainly as good as it gets for them for both offices.  Moreover, texas dem offered what seems like a pretty realistic overall assesment:

The Specter-Sestak trendlines show us that there is a real difference between a race that has not been engaged yet by both parties, and a race that has been.  Despite the "Dems will sell health care after they pass it" prediction, which I and many others expected, Dems decided to just pass more legislation now, and sell it all later.  ("Pivot to jobs and finreg")  That actually was a better decision.  Assuming they pass a strong finreg, and maybe even an energy bill, they are going to have a really strong set of arguments to offer in August-September, when they do settle into campaign mode.  Right now the polls reflect a reality in which Republicans have been campaigning exclusively and non-stop since the stimulus, and Democrats have been mostly passing legislation and not really making the public case necessary to increase their favorables as a party.  When they begin to make that case, I think at least some of the electorate will find it persuasive, and the yawning gap between, say, Hodes and Ayotte will start to close.

Obviously it would have been far superior for the Dems to be selling legislation as they were fighting to pass it.  But Dems walking & chewing gum at the same time?  What are the chances of that?  Pass first, sell later is not the brightest strategy in the world, but it might could be just good enough to dash GOP hopes in November, especially if the economy keeps adding jobs at a decent pace.  All these are reasons why it pays to keep in mind that even the best polling analysis shows where things stand now, not where they will stand come November.

(4) Last Tuesday's  election results were about the strongest indications possible that the standard GOP November wave election narrative is not a foregone conclusion.  This narrative may have been shaken up a bit, but it's unlikely to be replaced by anything more insightful. Versailles just doesn't do insight. ("Dem's can minimize losses by focusing locally, and distancing themselves from Washington" is about as insightful as we're likely to get.) On the obvious side, Democrats really could pick up a Senate seat in Kentucky, no matter what Rasmussen says.  And they really could hold a good number of "Red" districts like PA-12, possibly even almost all of them if things go well for the Dems on multiple fronts--improved economy, GOP infighting & incoherence, good Dem messaging, etc.  It's bad enough for the GOP wave narrative now, as former GOP representative Tom Davis noted after the election:

Tom Davis, a former Republican House member and top party campaign strategist, saw the win by Democrat Mark Critz, a former aide to Mr. Murtha, over Republican Tim Burns as a serious blow to the Republican claim to be within reach of the 40 seats needed to recapture the House.

"If you can't win a seat that is trending Republican in a year like this, then where is the wave?" asked Mr. Davis, who said Republicans will need to examine what went wrong. "It would be a huge upset not to win this seat."

The signs surely mean something  And by November?  That's an eternity in politics, particularly if the GOP keeps moving farther and farther to the right, while the economy slowly but surely continues to improve.  If the GOP nets just 5 Senate seats and 15 House seats, that would be a huge disappointment.  And what if they do even worse? It could happen. A five point shift across the board from Chris's Wednesday forecast would limit Dem's Senate losses to two.  And Chicken Lady in Nevada could well make that just one.

(5) The sheer idiocy of the Versailles press corps could actually even help the Democrats beat a GOP wave.  As David Weigel tweeted yesterday:

So was this the week we stopped being dazzled by tea parties and started asking what they believe? Took a while.

Indeed.  Had Versailles ever taken any sort of critical look at what Tea Baggers believe... well, that would have been so unfair.  Know what I mean?  But now that they have started to notice, don't expect them to be terribly bright about it. But the Tea  Baggers are even dumber, and without anyone really intending anything the end result could be the sort of political bonanza that the Dems (also not terribly bright) could have never earned on their own.  Rand Paul this week is only a taste of what could be all the way to November.

Bottom line: when everybody gets stupid in the same way, very bad things tend to happen.  But when they get stupid in different ways, then surprising things can happen.  It's nothing to bet on--that would make you stupid in yet another way.  But it is a possibility--something to keep your eyes out for. A joker in the deck means you can beat four aces with five deuces.

(6) Although ruling parties lose House seats more often than not after realigning elections, they do so only barely. They gained seats in two elections--1802 and 1934--out of five (the ruling party lost seats in 1830, 1862 and 1898). That's much better odds than for first mid-term elections generally.  Indeed, 2002, barely a year after 9/11, was the only year that a new President gained support in the House in the first mid-term since 1934.  Prior to that, the only exceptions were 1810 and 1818, as Democratic-Republican Party grew ever-stronger while the Federalist Party eventually withered away to nothing.  In short, the best way for a new president to avoid losing seats in the House in his first mid-term is to win a realigning election.  If Obama loses seats this year, a contender for the best explanation of why must be his failure to act as if he had won such an election, and his insistence on compromising with-and sometimes even strengthening the policies that the electorate had rejected by electing him.

Conclusion

So what does all the above mean, in the end?  First of all, it means that progressives should not despair, despite having plenty of apparent reason to do so.  The upcoming election could very well be as bad as it gets for us, and it very well could be the point at which we sow the seeds for renewing our push for the sort of large-scale change many had hoped and expected that Obama's victory in 2008 would bring.

That said, this is only a possibility.  We need to work to make it come true.  And we need to pressure Dems to make the most of opportunities that they may not even recognize.  As mentioned above, the new conventional wisdom may well be that Dems can avoid the worst by focusing locally and distancing themselves from Washington.  But I think there's another way to go that's not entirely at odds with that logic, but not entirely with it, either.  In a comment to Chris's Monday diary, "National Congressional Ballot: Dems inching up", I wrote the following:

It Really Is A Crapshoot

The Dems screwed up by doing too little, and not blaming the Republicans from the get-go.  This allowed the GOP to mount a much more ferocious opposition based almost entirely on hot air.  But now that the economy is showing some improvement, not only might the Dems be spared, due to factors cited by the New Yorker, the GOP might have hurt itself by going all Tea Baggy.

I could really see a very effective DCCC campaign ad stressing what a hard time it's been, how Dems have been working hard to turn things around, and in contrast highlighting some of the more glaringly absurd GOP antics--both top leaders and Tea Party clips, super-short.  Then end with something like, "It's been hard work, and there's still more hard work to be done.  It's not party time.  It's work time.  Vote for the party that works."


Of course it would be over-selling the Dems. But better to have them on record in "us-them" mode, rather than "me too!"  It gives us something to hold them to.

 


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Not sure how much of this I buy, (0.00 / 0)
but it's a v. strong post, Paul, and food for much thought. When you're on, you're on!

What's To Buy? (4.00 / 1)
It's all sliding scale, IMHO.  No binary buy/not buy argumentation intended.

On one extreme, the Dems could totally blow this, and the GOP win their wave election.  On the other extreme, the DEMS could manage to pick up 10-15 House seats, and the GOP could start coming apart at the seams.  What I'm really arguing for is a greater range of historically-informed possibilities.

Now, as for buying, have I got a deal for you! This sweet little ideology's only got 35 light years on her....

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I don't think that the results are really that surprising (0.00 / 0)
I think Republicans realize that if they do do really well in november then all they will accomplish is the election of a bunch of moderate Republicans who are quite willing to work with Obama.

They saw the precursor of that in Scott Browns victory.  "We need more Scott Browns" aren't going to bring a whole bunch of Republicans to the polls.

http://transgendermom.blogspot....


Really? (4.00 / 1)
I think that Scott Brown was an example of multiple cross-cutting deceptions, and more along the lines of the exception that proves the rule rather than anything else.

He's not really all that moderate, rather MA is liberal as all get out, and he's very interested in getting re-elected.  If he were in any other state--even Maine, he'd be doing nothing at all to give the GOP heartburn.  He'd make "moderate" noises now and then, but at crunch time he'd always be with them.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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He did vote for the jobs bill and the financial reform bill (0.00 / 0)
that's treason to the GOP.


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What Part of "M-A-S-S-A-C-H-U-S-E-T-T-E-S" (4.00 / 4)
don't you understand?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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If you are really going to spell it all out, at least make sure you spell it right.

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That isn't nearly enough for today's GOP (0.00 / 0)
Working with Obama on anything is completely unacceptable.

http://transgendermom.blogspot....

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Disconnect (4.00 / 8)
There is another element to this disconnect that Glenn Smith talked about last week.

A good metaphor for the cause of their failings is the disease called porphyria, which plagued George III (you know, the one the American Revolution fought against), and others in the royal families. Porphyria causes peripheral neuropathy- the peripheral nerves can't communicate to the central nervous system. Political porphyria, then, means the leader is disconnected from the people.

In just the way the biosphere needs diversity, the pluralistic human universe needs nourishment and enrichment from multiple perspectives and diverse views and opinions. In fact, I don't think it's a coincidence that the emergence of a new global economic and political elite is accompanied by a loss of biodiversity. Diversity and egalitarian pluralism are what the elite want to overcome.

Porphyriacs can't feel their feet, and they won't notice they've cut them off until they need to walk.

It should be noted that no amount of elite failing, either in therms of policy or politics, will cause them to change course. You are certainly right about this.

That said, this is only a possibility.  We need to work to make it come true.  And we need to pressure Dems to make the most of opportunities that they may not even recognize.

That's why I've been obsessing over progressive defeatism - the idea that progressives have no power, no potential sources of power, that our ideas are unpersuasive, etc., which seems to pervade a lot of the discourse, even among activists.  It presumes that what one can accomplish today, using current standard tactics and resources, is all that can be accomplished. And that is hogwash.

The conservative counterrevolution, whether we are looking at electoral politics, law or the economy, began when conservatism was at its nadir. The willingness to be bold and confident was the necessary change that started to reverse that situation.  And they set in motion strategies and policies that changed the political context in which they operated, rather than taking them for granted.

The time for small ball is over. We didn't come here to do school uniforms either.

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


Very Good Points (4.00 / 4)
I'd add one more observation to what you've written here:  It's precisely because conservatives are so beset by political porphyria that they were able to ignore their defeated position and fight back.  What should be a strength for progressive--our ability to see connections and our sensistivity to them--has had the exact opposite effect on us, so every minor setback becomes multiplied.

Gramsci formulated the solution for this very well: "Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will."

Easier said than done, of course.  But the more you understand the conditions we operate in--including how our own strengths can debilitate us--the more you understant what Gramci's formulation means, and why it's so important to find ways to operationalize it.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Fair point (4.00 / 4)
They are cut off from the mass of people, but not from their base - there is no conservative rootsgap.

Reconciling those two propositions is more than I have in me at the moment.

I will throw one more thought on the fire - the post-CRA conservatism (at least) is all about the common man and uncommon successes versus the scary others and their liberal elite allies.  Much of the elite liberalism of the same period has been about a small group of smart people winning despite the rule of the rubes (i.e. The West Wing syndrome.)

Much of this operates at the cultural level, and is better thought of as symbolism than description. Yet obviously Democrats / elements of the left are contributing to this narrative in a rather unproductive way (which also serves to help create some of the dynamics it pretends to describe.)

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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Yup (4.00 / 2)
The best parts of the West Wing were when they lost their cool.  It's why the first episode was so good, with Martin Sheen walking in like thunder.

The rest of the series never lived up to that moment.

All too much of it was like the episode where Toby rails at anti-globalization activists because they supposedly can't craft a clever cable-ready soundbite argument that no one would ever allow them on air to articulate anyway.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I liked when they got mad (4.00 / 2)
at the high tech labor union that was a key early supporter. The campaign told the union that globalization would create the kind of high tech jobs its members needed, while shipping low skilled work out of the country. In office, the Bartlett Admin pushes a trade agreement that will decimate the union's jobs, and Josh and the rest feel bad, but what can they do?  It's just market forces (says the economist president)...that lead to a policy decision.

But yeah, Tobie criticizing global justice protesters because they weren't like "we did it" in the Civil Rights Movement was also a great moment.

That's why I preferred Sports Nights.

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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The Writing Was Snappier, Too (0.00 / 0)
Plus, Felicity Huffman.

Getting rid of Moira Kelly's character really killed off all hope that the series would really soar, IMHO.  I don't think Sorkin necessarily really gets his strong female characters, but at least he gets something about them, and he gets it close enough to be interesting... until he doesn't.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Anecdotal evidence (4.00 / 6)
Early last summer, I had a month or so of work done on my house -- trees trimmed, desert landscaping to try to reduce my water use, a new patio and some long-delayed minor repairs and painting on the house itself. Since I'm talkative, and so were some of the guys who were in charge of the work, I got to hear things I don't normally hear from people I don't normally talk to. All of them had a lot to say, and some of them were pretty good at telling stories -- I really did get an earful.

I can't say that in general what I heard was all that surprising, but the candor was, and so were a lot of of the individual details. Interesting stories, all of them, when teased out over a week or so. It all boiled down to what they'd done with their lives and why, and how they see the world. Proud stories, and outwardly confident ones, as good as anything in Studs Terkel.

I'm in AZ, of course -- what I heard might not be the same as you'd hear in a neighborhood hangout in Youngstown or Detroit -- but for what it's worth, the majority of these narratives seemed to fall into three broad categories:

1) The Jesus saves narrative. I was wild and getting into trouble, and I mistreated my wife and kids, and she left me, but then Jesus came into my life and showed me the way, and now I've met so many good people, and we support each other, and even though I'm not making much money, I'm doing okay, and life is good.

2) The Willy Nelson narrative: When I got out of the marines back in 1985, I went up to Colorado and lived in the mountains for a while. I worked some, but mostly I lived off the land. No, I didn't really know what I was doing at first, but I always did like being outdoors -- I could never work in an office. Being alone didn't bother me all that much, and I learned a lot about how to live. After that, I did construction in Phoenix for a couple of years, and then I moved back here. It took a while, but now people know me, and I've got all the work I need, and I can come and go as I please. The government is a mess, yeah, but I don't pay much attention, and when I do I don't know what to think. They're all nuts, as far as I can tell.

3) The Glenn Beck narrative: That damned Hillary bitch. I tell you what, I'm not giving up my guns, no matter what laws they pass, and I don't see why my taxes have to go up just to support a lot of worthless people. None of them have ever done an honest day's work in their lives, but they manage to vote. Yeah, they vote, and that makes them just as good as me as far as liberals are concerned. So they want some work done, and they won't hire me, cause they'd have to pay what it costs to do the job right. So they hire a bunch of Mexicans to save money, and then their roof leaks and their tile comes out crooked, and they have to call me anyway. They oughta send them all back where they came from. I don't give a shit how long they've been here.

If I were a progressive Democrat running for office in my district, I think I'd have a hard time stitching together a campaign message that would make sense to all of the people who told me these stories, let alone persuade them to vote for me. You don't get much time with them, after all, especially if you don't have the money to run a media campaign. Even if you do, what do you get, thirty seconds max?

The conclusion that I draw from all of this is that story we have to tell can't be told by our candidates, we have to tell it -- all the time and everywhere. The good news is that the people I talked to last summer, and heard all this from, spend a lot more time reading and listening to radio talk shows about politics and other subjects than I would have thought. The bad news is that they don't sort it out the way we do -- and some of the ways they do sort it out are startling -- but they are interested, and they do pay attention.

I guess you might say that the end of right-wing hegemony over our political discourse begins at home. A lot of small megaphones can work as well as a few big ones, and if we do our jobs right, we'll get some big ones as well. Ten years ago, who could have predicted Jon Stewart, let alone Rachel Maddow? I don't know how all of this is going to turn out either, Paul, but it seems to me that the people who claim that they do may be relying on polls too much, and on anecdotes too little. If so, it wouldn't be the first time.


This Is Where Obama Has Been Such An Enormous Disappointment (4.00 / 8)
Not only has he been a total flop in terms of telling progressive stories himself, he shut down the 50-state strategy, which to my mind is as close to institutionalizing the kind of small megaphone approach you so wisely counsel as the Democratic Party has ever gotten.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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real 'mericans (4.00 / 4)
If I were a progressive Democrat running for office in my district, I think I'd have a hard time stitching together a campaign message that would make sense to all of the people who told me these stories, let alone persuade them to vote for me.

Just going to read between the lines a little bit... were these individuals white males, by any chance? Because you do know that's the least Democratic-leaning demographic group out there. And fortunately, most people are not white males.

I know the (mostly white male) DC journalist coterie mostly speaks about "Americans" as if they were all white males, but that's not an error we ought to be making ourselves.


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Demographics (4.00 / 2)
Yes, of course they were white males, and no, of course they don't make up the entire electorate, but in AZ, they're more significant politically than they are in, say, California. They're also not illegitimate, in that they're not atomized or deracinated the way they might be in urban areas, They actually do represent an entire subculture, which their wives and children also share. Forty years ago they were also all Democrats, which is more to the point, I think, when planning party strategy, than their present views are.

There's no point in pandering to them, but it is legitimate to ask what it would take to make them part of a political coalition which includes someone like Raúl Grijalva iat its head. We've gotten into the habit of treating such a possibility as unthinkable. At the moment it is, I agree, but it needn't be forever.


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This sort of thing is far too common (4.00 / 5)
We've gotten into the habit of treating such a possibility as unthinkable.

And reminds me, again, of this, from Steven Biko:

The most potent weapon of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed.

Down with progressive defeatism!

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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There's No Substitute For Macropolitics, Though (4.00 / 4)
A WPA-style program to put at least half of them back to work last year about this time building various sorts of solar energy would have done wonders there in AZ, don't you think?  Then all us little megaphone types would have us a nice little place to start our conversations.

I think they call that synergy, or hegemony, or Politics 101 or something like that.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Oh, I absolutely DO think (4.00 / 2)
The problem is, when we tell them that's what we Democrats want to do, they still don't vote for us, 'cause they damned well know that we aren't going to do it. They can read the President's list of contributors as well as we can, and once they've seen him in action, they're not any slower discounting what he says either.

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Credibility (4.00 / 1)
Comes from the top. Or not.

Accountability comes from the bottom.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I think that the way to communicate with (4.00 / 3)
and appeal to all three groups is by coming across as--and actually being, which is the hard part--at once smart, but in a "first among equals" and not elitist-seeming way, hard-working (which has to be backed up by a real track record, like Joe Sestak), honest, decent, unpretentious, open-minded (in a non-wishy-washy way), and having genuine (but not fanatical or crazy) beliefs that one is willing to fight for and risk losing over, which have a strong populist element (i.e. they're respectful of and meant to help the majority of people, and not just elites).

I.e. someone that not everyone will agree with on ideology and policy, but which most people are going to like and respect on a personal level, because they seem like a decent, respectful and serious person. And we ultimately vote for people, not politicians--or at least the people we've been led to believe exist beneath the political mask. We thought (or hoped) we'd get that in Obama. We didn't. But that doesn't mean that we can't yet get such a person. They're out there. The only question is whether they're crazy enough to run for high office, and tough and smart enough to succeed at it--especially once in office.

We've had a few of these. Not many, but enough. Surely there's at least one more out there to hope for.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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Don't all these narratives speak to a tremendous sense of (0.00 / 0)
instability though? It seems to me there is much emotional common ground here. That's why I tend to think Krugman is on to something: you need a bogeyman. Take a look at the Daily Kos rec list. Even among people who follow politics obsessively, so much of it boils down to emotional logic in the end. I don't think the philosophical gaps you're describing are insurmountable by any means; it's the sheer Dem strategic mindlessness that may spell their doom.

And: you've brutally mischaracterized poor Willie Nelson, who is outspokenly political and has endorsed both politicians and numerous causes! Dude filed suit to get Dennis Kucinich on the Texas ballot.  


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Willie Nelson was never POOR Willie Nelson (4.00 / 1)
What part of Willy Nelson don't I understand? Well, you're talking about Willy Nelson after. I'm talking about Willy Nelson before. The voice of the loner, you might say, the rural drifter, the stranger in a strange land reaction to what America had become, and to the feeling that he wasn't considered to have a place in it, except among his own. If anything, he's proof of the point I'm trying to make, not its refutation.

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Apologies (0.00 / 0)
I actually do know how to spell Willie's name, but my fingers seem to have a mind of their own this morning. Grooves in the brain, maybe, that take over when you're not paying attention. (The political implications are probably not good, if we're talking about changing things.) Anyway, I hope he'll forgive me, if he happens this way today.

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I dunno. I tend to think he was pretty comfortably welcomed into (0.00 / 0)
the Nashville scene with the immediate successes of "Crazy" and "Night Life." Certainly he's tapped into a mythos, but ironically I think that much was cemented with his collaborative work in "Wanted! The Outlaws." So, back to my point, emotional perception trumps the nitty gritty details a fuckload of the time.

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We need to look at politics BO (4.00 / 3)
No, not Barack Obama, but BEYOND Obama. He might well be embracing and enabling conservative ideas and policies--you pretty much have to be some combination of mentally ill, woefully ignorant and out and out stupid to believe otherwise--but he's only going to be around for another 2.5 or 6.5 years, which might sound like a lot, but really isn't. He may well solidify conservative ideas and policies for years beyond his time in office, albeit in somewhat "Lite" form. Or he may not. But as powerful as he is right now, he is just one person, and his establishmentarian contingent of faux liberal Corporate Dems only one group, and neither has a lock on the country's direction beyond the next 5-10 years (and if you're not looking well beyond such a time horizon, you're just not looking).

I totally agree on the need to look way back and forward, the former for perspective, the latter for possibilities. Take one of my current (with reservations) political heros, Alexander Hamilton. Yes, he was an elitist proto-conservative whose policies enabled the rapid and unstoppable growth of America's rapacious commercial and financial aristocracy, who was fiercely militaristic and imperialist and supported the heinous Alien ad Sedition Acts and ultimately self-destructed personally and professionally due to his increasingly poor judgement and volatile and combative personality.

But, in addition to being one of our first staunch abolitionists who believed that blacks and whites were equal in capacity (something that even liberal icons Jefferson and Lincoln did not believe), he was an absolutely brilliant (in the actual, not mythical sense) policymaker and beaurocrat who almost singlehandedly created the public and private components of what would become the American economic and financial system, and had a profound effect on the future structure of American government, especially its legal and military components, which, for all their many failings, were also the foundation of this country's future greatness. And while the Jeffersonian Democratic-Republicans ultimately prevailed over Hamilton's Federalists, his ideas and policies ultimately triumphed over theirs, as the Jeffersonians gradually adopted his, and were themselves eventually swept out of power by the political descendants of the Federalists, the Whigs and eventually Republicans.

My point being that, like and agree with him or not (and there's lots to support both views, even simultaneously, as Hamilton was essentially sui generis and really several statesmen rolled into one), he was perhaps the country's most brilliant and successful statesman from a policymaking perspective, in terms of both successfully implementing his (at the time quite radical and innovative) policy ideas, and in terms of their eventually being spectacularly successful (as well as disasterous, for the less fortunate), perhaps matched only by Lincoln and FDR. And he did it by being actively smart and looking way into the future to see where things could and should be headed, in terms of policy, while also being pretty damn good at legislative politics (of the sort that Emanuel is supposedly brilliant at), to get his policies passed. We HOPED that we had that in Obama. Instead, we got neither, only the simulation of it. But that doesn't mean that we can't still accomplish such things, if we're patient, diligent, hard-working, tenacius and smart about it. I.e. we need to be like Hamilton, from a progressive perspective.

Obama is the hare. Let's be the tortoise.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


How long? (4.00 / 1)
The impact of some Presidents lasts far beyond their term in office.  Reagan, for example, may have screwed up the country but three decades of propaganda leave him more popular than when he was in office.  I do know people who are exceptions but they were personally hit and hit badly by Reagan policies and these people seem unable to convince the true believers.  Bill Clinton, at least in the media/elite views has suffered the opposite fate.  He was more popular than Reagan in his second term but is pointed out as some devil incarnate by many today (from me, it was Reagan who was the devil incarnate).

FDR had a nice 30 or 40 year run.  Lincoln's lasted longer although he is periodically attacked.  In general, Republicans and especially conservatives have enjoyed better reputations while liberals have been constantly attacked and sometimes diminished.  Credit the RWNM for that.  It is quite possible that the RWNM will make Obama into a legend with the help of his true believers.


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I Tend To Agree (4.00 / 1)
Presidential legacies can be extremely long-lasting.  The good thing about Obama's is that it's likely to be quite incoherent, especially if we stop pretending (especially to ourselves) that he's one of us.

The more he has to compromise with us, the better off we'll all be.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Presidential Legacies (4.00 / 2)
This comment gives me an excuse to throw post this link on presidents (or rather, presidencies) can influence the long term political context - Steven Teles, "Transformative Bureaucracy: Reagan's Lawyers and the Dynamics of Political Investment."  

If you want to really get the missed opportunity we're experiencing now, check it out (if you have a strong stomach, that is.)  

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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We have to look at the long-term "success" (4.00 / 2)
of presidents who've had substantial lasting legacies in terms of both their lasting ideological and policy aspects (as well as, I suppose, their popular image legacy). Reagan has undeniably had a substantial lasting ideological legacy, namely in the mainstreaming of what was once fairly extreme RW ideology, but on a policy level, he's been a disaster from any objective (i.e. reality-based) perspective. Whereas presidents like Lincoln and FDR have had substantial lasting ideological AND policy legacies.

E.g. Reagan made war and deregulation "cool" again, but his defense policies were insane (Star Wars), his warmaking pathetic (cut and run from real fights like Lebanon but invade Granada), and the legacy of deregulation speaks for itself. And yet he's still seen as a good guy, and conservatism, while no longer as popular as it used to be, still has yet to be discredited in the public mind to the extent that it deserves and needs to. Go figure. Perhaps it takes as long for the public to make the connection between policy failure and ideological failure as it does for it to embrace said ideology.

Whereas FDR is not only still seen as one of the great presidents by most Americans, but his policies and even ideology are undeniably both successful and popular, even if most Americans probably don't connect them to him anymore. I'm guessing that over time, Reagan and his ideological legacy will fade into semi-oblivion much more than will FDR's. In any case, nothing speaks louder and longer than success--actual, not image success--and nothing affects image success over the LONG run than actual success.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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You'd Think That A So-Called "Pragmatist" Would Get A Clue (4.00 / 2)
I'm guessing that over time, Reagan and his ideological legacy will fade into semi-oblivion much more than will FDR's. In any case, nothing speaks louder and longer than success--actual, not image success--and nothing affects image success over the LONG run than actual success.

The strongest case for Obama's narcissism is that he's utterly oblivous to this.  It completely short-circuits any possible good that can come from political ambition.

Such is the power of Versailles.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Well, Clinton might effectively be the devil incarnate if you were (4.00 / 3)
part of the black incarceration numbers that increased at a rate of an average of 100.4 per 100,000 during his presidency. The 17 prisoners per 100,000 African American 100,000 citizens at the end of the Reagan presidency might start to look pretty positive in comparison. This much, I tend to think, brings us back to Paul's point: Dems have steadily sold out their base in favor of the elusive white male, who, guess what(?!?,) remains so.

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The elusive white male (4.00 / 3)
matters, but that's not who the base is being sold out for.  EWM's get to be worshiped symbolically, and obviously its better to avoid things like being the main target of mass incarceration. But we are all being sold out for BP, Goldman Sachs, and the rest.  

Setting the peasants against each other, especially by convincing white men that it's women and minorities that are screwing them, has been the main tactic for elites to win in politics for a long time. (The best example being in the Reconstruction South.)

One more point. Mass incarceration is sold to the public as an approach to fighting big time black drug traffickers.  And certainly, the main targets have been communities of color. But civil liberties violations as part of the drug war which began in those communities continue to migrate out - employees of all sorts find themselves facing random drug tests, students find themselves subject to such tests and illegal searchers.

Similar dynamics exist with other issues and groups. They may be sold as being limited, but they always seep out.  (For an excellent recent example, see Greenwald's piece New target of rights erosions: U.S. citizens.

What does it all mean? We are all in this together.  Just because women, African-Americans, Latinos, Muslims or gays are the target today, straight white natural borne Christian men ought not to rest - because those erosion will affect them too, eventually.  

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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Much of this is very well said and dead on, I believe, but I still have (4.00 / 3)
to point out here: Whites make up 74% of drug users but only a fifth of those serving time for possession. Blacks make up 74% of those incarcerated for drug possession. That speaks to just a phenomenal degree of institutionalized racism. Drug tests and illegal searches just aren't panning out to a conviction rate that's in any way equitable. Of course we're all in this together, and this overt racism boils down to a divide and conquer tactic. But if you look at how marijuana laws were sold from the get go, the emphasis has always included the black user and not just the big time drug dealer. It's always been a way of maintaining that African Americans simply weren't of the same stock as White Americans and hence their lower rung on the economic ladder was part of the natural order of things.

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Absolutely (nt) (0.00 / 0)


Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.

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Both Are True (4.00 / 3)
First they came for blacks.  Then they came for the blacks again.  Then they came for the Latinos.  Then the blacks again.  But eventually they came for me.

See the progression of who gets tasered, for example.  They've already made it to white grandmothers some time ago.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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The coming? GOP wave. (4.00 / 2)
Paul, this is an excellent post. I have several comments, mostly just trying to expand on what you have said here.

a. I saw the Paul Krugman article you refer to and was not sure how to react. It has to be remembered that after 1948, in 1952 the Republicans won the Presidency and both houses of Congress. Then I recalled that for Eisenhower to even run was a real defeat for the radical right wing Republicans. The moderates had brought Ike on board to defeat them, though Ike did have to take Nixon as Veep.

But more significant was the 1952 House win by the Republicans. My dad pointed out to me that they screwed that up so badly that they lost it again in 1954 and were not again allowed control of the House for over a generation until 1994.

I have to ask: Have the Republicans been purging the moderates in their party to avoid the kind of reaction that got Ike the nomination in 1952? That would not surprise me.

In retrospect, yes 1948 was a redefining election. I don't think it had to be except for the very core nature of the Republicans.

b. In (3), you decry the Democrats' inability to both pass legislation and to sell it to the public at the same time. But isn't that also the case for the Republicans?

The difference is that the Democrats are focused on good legislation and good governance, while the Republicans are a public relations machine that occasionally passes some of their PR talking points as legislation. Those little chunks of legislation the Republicans pass are more efforts to affect the public perception than to actually govern.

Why the two functions differ so sharply that the same political organization might not be able to both simultaneously is an interesting question. At a guess on the fly, the Democratic approach is quite paternalistic. The Republicans in contrast are taking the very populist and anti-paternalistic position. For the party out of power that may be quite rational. I am just guess, but it's worth further consideration. Just not here and now by me. I do suspect, though, that the short term nature of  the PR aspects of selling and of populism conflict strongly with the clearly much longer term aspects of legislating and governing.

c. In (5) you comment

Had Versailles ever taken any sort of critical look at what Tea Baggers believe... well, that would have been so unfair.

Josh Marshall has some interesting speculations today on why the media did not cover Rand Paul until this week. Essentially they include the fact that inside the Republican Primary it was not to Rand Paul's opponent's advantage to attack Paul's Libertarian idiocies, while the media may well be so decimated by the economic collapse of the media business model that they have no one there to actually dig into the policies. Both seem reasonable to me (but need exploration.)

The other thing has been surfaced by Rachel Maddow's extensive attempt to get Rand Paul to give a direct answer to embarrassing question. There is nothing new about the questions. I have voted at least 3 times against Ron Paul because he has the same racist and ignorant Hayek/Von Mises Libertarian beliefs. But TV "journalism" has grown large and fat by avoiding conflicts. They'll take pictures, but they will not actually question the answers their respondents offer. I suspect this is out of fear that such aggressive questioning will cause them to lose viewers and the resulting advertising.

Now we get Rachel Maddow who actually committed journalism last Tuesday, with the immediate result that her reputation has jumped radically, as I suspect has her viewership. She is getting a lot of name recognition by other TV shows. Is TV "journalism" going to take this to heart and attempt similar aggressive questioning? Will this help their business model in the new environment of smaller market segments? We can hope.

Just a few comments on a(nother) very good blog post. Keep it up.  


Good Questions/Points (4.00 / 1)
To begin with, I could have said a lot more about 1948 and the following elections, but that really would have needed a whole other post, as (a) it's a very rich example in itself, and (b) it illustrates a more general pattern seen in most, but not all other "party systems" that generally begin with one realigning election and end with another.  The usual pattern is for their to be what I've called a "failed realignment" in the middle of a party system.  Wilson's election in 1912 was when it occured during the Fourth Party System.  It's a bit blurrier during the Third Party System, but the 1874 House elction--where the Dems took power for the first time since before the Civil War--is a good candidate for when it began, however shakily.

What characterizes these "failed realignments" is that the party out of power manages to break the lock of the dominant party, but doesn't change the basic nature of the larger framework of political assumptions.  As you look at what these all had in common, Eisenhower's election fits in with the others, not as carbon copies of one another, but as variations on a common theme.  No two are alike, but they're all somewhat similar.  What's particularly complicated with Eisenhower is that the GOP basically acqiessed at the top, presidential level, but it grew even more aggressive in the character attacks--with McCarthy as the #1 standard-bearer on that count.  This proved to be utterly disastrous for them, otherwise the story might have been very different.  But the pattern of party systems strongly suggests that it was highly unlikely it could have been different in any major way.

As for this question:

I have to ask: Have the Republicans been purging the moderates in their party to avoid the kind of reaction that got Ike the nomination in 1952? That would not surprise me.

I don't think that's what they have in mind, specifically.  Conservatives are just obsessed with running everything.  They really don't like it when people think for themselves, and step out of line.

And to clarify this:

b. In (3), you decry the Democrats' inability to both pass legislation and to sell it to the public at the same time. But isn't that also the case for the Republicans?

The GOP does both, and lies very well in the process.  See such major items as Bush's tax cuts, the Iraq War (initial authorization, and subsequent funding), and the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security (while stripping union memebership rights).

As for this:

c. In (5) you comment

    Had Versailles ever taken any sort of critical look at what Tea Baggers believe... well, that would have been so unfair.

Josh Marshall has some interesting speculations today on why the media did not cover Rand Paul until this week.

and what you go on to say, I think it all has merit, but it doesn't quite reach the point I was trying to make, which is not about Paul per se, but about the entire Tea Bag "movement", which is primarily the largest astroturf campaign ever--even as it definitely does draw on a large pool of staunch GOP activists, while also drawing in somewhat privilaged but precarious folks.  It wasn't until just a month or so ago that various polls of Tea Bagger beliefs began to get significant attention.  Prior to that it was deemed impertinant, if not unpatriotic to say anything crtiical about them in a news-reporting framework.

And yes, Maddow showed just how stupid that mindset was.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Brilliant point (4.00 / 1)
What's particularly complicated with Eisenhower is that the GOP basically acqiessed at the top, presidential level, but it grew even more aggressive in the character attacks--with McCarthy as the #1 standard-bearer on that count.  This proved to be utterly disastrous for them, otherwise the story might have been very different.

Yes, it did prove utterly disastrous for them at the time, but it also provided them with a possible template for the future -- a way not only to get rid of the Democratic stranglehold on the national narrative, but to break the Rockefeller Republicans who'd been using Eisenhower to beat up on them as well. That they could so successfully leverage the Cold War and WWII triumphalism must have come as something of a surprise to them, though, don't you think? At any rate it was much less calculated than the way later on that they managed to leverage the Civil Rights Act and the Dixie irredentism that was the inevitable response to it.

I'd sort of put out of my mind how nasty it all was, and how effective, until I read this. We got our licks in against HUAC, to be sure, but by the time Viet Nam rolled around, we were fighting Democrats, not Republicans. All they had to do was hang around and pick up the pieces.


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Well, This Was Really McCarthy's Last Win From The Grave (4.00 / 1)
It's now quite clear from the historical records--thanks to LBJ taping himself in the Oval Office--that the main reason he went into Vietnam was to avoid being hounded from office by people like Joe McCarthy.  And that's why we were fighting Democrats in the first place.

This is the general's syndrome--always fighting the last war.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Clarifications (4.00 / 1)
I wasn't disagreeing with you on the 1948 - 52 period. I was actually trying to clarify in my own mind mostly why I missed the significance of what Krugman wrote about it. I do think that one lesson from it is that a realignment election may be very unclear until well after the time it happened. I seriously doubt that my father recognized it in 1948 and he was a politically aware Democrat at the time.

I'm not much of a student of American history. I grew up and was educated in Texas schools in the 50's and 60's and found the textbooks we were handed so boring as to be a total waste of my time. My recent interpretation of that is that they were so politicized as to be without any real meaning.

But I am going to ask another question that probably shows my ignorance. Is it reasonable to think that FDR had no real intention of being a progressive before the Supreme Court fight in 1937? It looks a lot to me that before that he was being driven by the political zeitgeist and by the news to make significant changes, but every one of them seems to me to be minimal and half-hearted. That's something I would also attribute to Obama.

As Willaim Timberman points out at 18:03 there was a lot of battle against HUAC. To my surprise I have learned it was Texas Democratic Congressman Martin Dies who started it on the anti-Communist rants, preceding "Tail-Gunner" joe by years. But that should not be a surprise. Texas was ultra conservative from the 30's on, and the Texas Democratic establishment was trying to remove FDR every election year. With the conservative oil money behind them they came pretty close.

The current Texas political idiocy with Rick Perry chasing the Tea bagger vote and the Evangelicals electing stealth candidates to the Texas Board of Education to take the public education back into the dark ages is nothing new. The only thing new about it is doing it under the label Republican. When I grew up there were two political parties in Texas, Liberal Democrats (the minority) and Conservative Democrats. The people who claimed to be Republican in those days also often were members of the John Birch Society, the KKK, and a few American Nazis. George H. W. Bush, Richard Nixon and John Tower changed that, and Nixon and Bush were  carpetbaggers from out of state. They essentially hired Tower to run for Senate.

I think you missed my point on the legislation Republicans pass. My point is that they put priority first on PR, and when they pass legislation most of it is intended to support the PR and get more Republicans elected. It seems to me that the put much less emphasis on governance than they do on maintaining party power. I'm not saying that they are not effective at passing legislation. It just has a lot less to do with governance than does legislation passed by Democrats.

I can't prove that. It's just an impression. It may be that they are attempting to get the government to do very different things than Democrats, but it also seems to me that they operate the levers of power in government quite badly. That's not to say that they haven't had some brilliant bureaucratic politicians like Dick Cheney. I just think there is something structural about the Republicans that makes them much less capable as a party of making government work effectively.

And I suspect that the Democrats are a lot more capable in general of making government work effectively, but that doing so makes them less effective at publicizing what they do. When I realized that much of Jimmy Carter's failure as President rested in his disdain for political parties and politics that led me to this suspicion.

About the libertarians - well, got my MBA at the University of Houston Clear Lake when Ron Paul was the Congressman there, and later when he came back to Congress after running for President he defeated a Texas A&M classmate of mine in the primary right after Gregg had switched parties to Republican to keep his seat in Congress. Later I was at Texas A&M right after Phil Gramm left the University to enter politics, and even later I was at the University of North Texas right after Dick Armey left there and entered politics. All three are libertarians and angry men. Never let one of that crew get behind you and never trust anything they say. (Rand Paul apparently hasn't gotten the lying skills down yet. He will. They have training schools for that, and now he is motivated.] Considering the religious and right-wing bias of the Texas media it has not surprised me that most of what I have learned about them has been from personal contacts rather than the media. Which is probably off topic, but when I get a chance to rant about Libertarians, I often do so. Greenspan and Rand Paul give me more opportunities to rant.

I haven't understood the reticence of the Democrats to expose these people for the out-and-out idiots they are. Of course, of those five, two are PhD Economist who have never published, two are MD's and one is a failed Economist who dropped out of the program and later was donated an honorary Doctorate. All are shills for the very wealthy people who run the conservative movement and fund wingnut welfare in part to develop a Lenin-style cadre behind it.

My opinion, of course.  


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More Clarifications (4.00 / 1)
First off, I know you were seeking clarification re 1948/52, not disagreeing.  Sorry for any unintended impression to the contrary.  I get sort of obsessed when writing about this stuff, and sometimes don't pay enough attention to how it might come across.

OTOH, I'm not arguing that '48 was a realigning election, and neither is Krugman.  Rather, it was an election that finally got the GOP to accept the 1932 realignment (what with 1932 and 1936 only being the most sweeping back-to-back landslides in US history, it sure took them long enough!)

But, then, the South still hasn't accepted the Civil War, so....

Is it reasonable to think that FDR had no real intention of being a progressive before the Supreme Court fight in 1937? It looks a lot to me that before that he was being driven by the political zeitgeist and by the news to make significant changes, but every one of them seems to me to be minimal and half-hearted. That's something I would also attribute to Obama.

Some might argue this, but I would not.  There were certainly much more progressive forces afoot.  But FDR was known to encourage others to organize to force his hand.  He brought Frances Perkins with him from New York to be Secretary of Labor, and she extracted promises in advance about his commitment to support her agenda.  His most centrist phase was early on, before business decided they could openly defy him, and when that happened he moved left to align with labor--well before the Supreme Court fight.  But he closed down the banks right away & then reopened the good ones--the sort of sweeping action that Obama hasn't been willing to take about anything.

This is why I think he's much more accurately described as a true pragmatist.  He took tiny, focused actions when he thought that would work best, and he took big, sweeping actions when he thought that would work best.

I think you missed my point on the legislation Republicans pass....

Not so much missed it as (a) took it for granted, and (b) wanted to remphasize what the Dems DID NOT DO.  I agree with everything you say in that paragraph.  Conservatives are all about controlling shit.  They don't care how it works, or even if it works, as long as they get to keep controlling it.

Anything else I didn't comment on I pretty (or very much) agree with.

If you haven't already, I very much advise you to read my diary, "The Big Stupid" and the article by historian Greg Grandin at TomDispatch that I link to.  He does a masterful job of illuminating the racist underpinings of Tea Bag-style libertarian philosophy. Given what you've just written about your contact with the toxic Texan variety, it should be right up your alley.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Lean to the Left, Lean to the Right (0.00 / 0)
Stand up! Sit down! Fight, Fight, Fight!

The one apparent contradiction in the diary is that a). Obama and the congressional leadership lost momentum by being insufficiently left wing, but b) that the tactical victory of a conservative Democrat in Murtha's district is something to celebrate.

I don't see exactly how to have it both ways.

For my part, as we leave the primaries toward the general election, I think defending the jobs of conservative Democrats--and insuring majority control of both houses-- should be near the top of anyone's agenda who wishes to see progressive change.

Case in point: Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska cast the 60th vote for Health Care and Bank Regulation. Yes, I would prefer that the politics of the senator from Nebraska were those of Bernie Sanders or Ralph Nader, but, things being how they are, I'll take a Nelson Democrat over any Republican currently in either house of congress.

And even more to the point: Please join the Let's be Rotten to Rand movement.

I know that my sentiments are not those of many of the posters here, but they are offered sincerely and with good will.


Reality Is Complicated, Dude! (0.00 / 0)
I never said it wasn't.  It could well be that the ideal outcome would be the loss of 10 Blue Dogs in the House.  Weaken their ability to muck up the Dems internally, but without strengthening the GOP too much.

The Senate, however, is a different kettle of fish, which will hopefully be made a little less archaic & anti-democratic next term.  In the Senate, one asshole Senator can really muck things up, and having that asshole on "your side" can be especailly destructive.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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