Jim Webb announces opposition to DADT deal

by: Adam Bink

Tue May 25, 2010 at 17:53


And, presumably, repeal altogther. Feels great to have volunteered across the Potomac for this guy four years ago.

In other awesome news, Webb actually cites Gates' whining that he didn't get his way statement today. Here's Gates:

Defense Secretary Robert Gates issued a grudging -- but crucial -- statement this morning through his spokesman Geoff Morrell, as the administration pushes forward with the repeal of the ban on gays and lesbians serving openly in the military -- but pointedly insists that Congress carry the political burden.

"Secretary Gates continues to believe that ideally the DOD review should be completed before there is any legislation to repeal the Don't Ask Don't Tell law. With Congress having indicated that is not possible, the Secretary can accept the language in the proposed amendment," Morrell said.

Here's Webb:

"Secretary of Defense Gates and Admiral Mullen have laid out a specific and responsible plan to examine the current 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' policy in a manner that includes a comprehensive survey of those wearing the uniform. The White House and Secretary Gates both said today that, ideally, the Defense Department should complete this review before legislative action is taken. There is no question that a review of the policy is necessary and important. I see no reason for the political process to pre-empt it."

Notice any similarity?

This leaves 3 possibilities left out of which we need two and it is looking grim.

Yes
Carl Levin (Michigan)
Joseph I. Lieberman (Connecticut)
Jack Reed (Rhode Island)
Daniel K. Akaka (Hawaii)
Bill Nelson (Florida)
Claire McCaskill (Missouri)
Mark Udall (Colorado)
Kay R. Hagan (North Carolina)
Mark Begich (Alaska)
Roland W. Burris (Illinois)
Jeff Bingaman (New Mexico)
Edward E. Kaufman (Delaware)

Susan Collins (Maine)

No
John McCain (Arizona)
James M. Inhofe (Oklahoma)
Jeff Sessions (Alabama)
Saxby Chambliss (Georgia)
Lindsey Graham (South Carolina)
John Thune (South Dakota)
Roger F. Wicker (Mississippi)
George S. LeMieux (Florida)
Scott Brown (Massachusetts)
Richard Burr (North Carolina)
David Vitter (Louisiana)

Jim Webb (Virginia)

Undecided
Robert C. Byrd (West Virginia)
Ben Nelson (Nebraska)
Evan Bayh (Indiana)

Ben Nelson announced last week he prefers to wait for the Pentagon review to be completed and while he hasn't said anything new since this deal, I am sure this is not helpful. We have 13 votes and need 2 out of the remaining 3 if you count Nelson as still undecided, to make a majority of 15 if all 28 members show up. There is a chance Byrd may not, in which case we need 14, but I found out he can vote by proxy, too, so it may not make a difference. I have heard from several sources close to the process that Byrd has given no indication of which way he will go. I am having bad memories of Byrd on this in 1993, though, which I will write about later tonight.

If you were ever going to take a minute to help pass repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, now is the time, OpenLefters. We are running out of possibilities.

Update: Politico is reporting that Bayh is a yes vote. However, I haven't been able to independently verify, and CNN as of 40 minutes ago is reporting him as a holdout.

Update 2: A leading advocate who is close to the process told me on the phone he thinks Bayh "is leaning yes at this time but not a definite".

And just for my own interest (and to make a point), I went back to my copy of George Stephanopoulos's 1999 book All Too Human: A Political Education, remembering a passage about Byrd in a 1993 meeting with Clinton and Gore on this. He writes:

"Suestonius writes that Tiberius, under whom Caesar served, had young male prostitutes in his service," Byrd began, before reeling off other tales of emperors, generals, and the men who served and serviced them. "We're talking about something that has been going around for centuries," he stated flatly, echoing one of the president's central arguments. Wow, are we going to get Byrd? Can't be. It wasn't. After a pause for emphasis, he delivered the opening blow. "But Rome fell when discipline gave way to luxury and ease." Then he traveled through time from the decline of the Roman Empire to the Christian Coalition's slippery slope. "Remove not the ancient landmarks thy fathers have set. I am opposed to your policy because it implies acceptance. It will lead to same-sex marriages and homosexuals in the Boy Scouts." These were the concrete concerns he would hear in West Virginia that weekend.

In other words, we have a tough sledding left getting those last few votes. Please take a minute and get in touch with constituents you know who are on the swing list.

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We needed Scott Brown badly (0.00 / 0)
which probably explains why they went after him first. Even during the campaign, Webb looked icked out when this topic was discussed. It's probably a by product of his military service back in the days of homophobia (not that it still doesn't exist, it does)


Jim Webb was the guy who thought women shouldn't be admitted to the Naval Academy (0.00 / 0)
because he thinks they're fragile china dolls, and he doesn't want them checking out his ass.  Better that the Academy stay a sweaty sausagefest (but with no gay implications, of course; that'd be unthinkable).

And now we're counting on this cultural Neanderthal to accept the gays (I wonder if he refers to them by the f word) into his precious bastion of macho he-man-ism?  We'd be better off counting on Rudy Giuliani to stay faithful to his third wife.

Webb always struck me as a thick-skulled meathead; that jock douchebag type in high school that wasn't so much human as a more primitive evolutionary byproduct that mostly communicated in gutteral monosyllabic grunts and roars.


[ Parent ]
Congress s*cks. (0.00 / 0)
Seriously - VOTE EVERY ONE OF THESE IDIOTS OUT - regardless of their affiliation with either Legacy Party.

Let's start from scratch.  Anything would be better than what's currently going on.



Age if the Senate (4.00 / 3)
Though a huge majority support dropping DADT, I suspect if you broke that down by age you'd find the Senate more in line.  The average age for a U.S. Senator these days is approximately dead.

I thought that Nelson today said he was onboard... (0.00 / 0)
At least that's what the other blogs are reporting.

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


Nevermind... (4.00 / 2)
Wrong Nelson...

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


[ Parent ]
That was Bill Nelson, not Ben Nelson n/t (4.00 / 2)
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I'm sure most people here know this but it's worth repeating (4.00 / 5)
Obama has the power to suspend all military investigations of gays right now but refuses to do so.  


Honestly (0.00 / 0)
I support him, because that can easily be undone by another President, and what will happen when it's undone and there are thousands of openly gay servicemen serving?

I'd rather this get repealed once and for all, and obviously Congress doesn't seem to want to do that, so I'm in favor of pushing them.  


[ Parent ]
I see the logic behind what you say (4.00 / 2)
but tend to think that such a conspicuous move by Obama would push them and hard.  

[ Parent ]
This will be seen as betrayal of the worst (4.00 / 1)
kind by the White House against the LGBT community.  And for good reason.

I'm counting on Ben Nelson to come through (4.00 / 1)
He's awesome! When has he ever let us down before?

John McCain won't insure children

oh lord (0.00 / 0)
if bayh is a yes then we need one more? byrd and nelson are both not great on this. then again if potus obama would call these dudes and tell them this is what the commander in chief needs done i bet we would see this happen. i hope obama is using his cell on his plane ride to san fran to raise big bucks for boxer!

Obama? Call? (4.00 / 1)
Well he called Gulf Coast Governors yesterday so I think he's used up his "one call" for the month of May.  Now if it were only June...

Leadership?  Unknown for this "administration".


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Really? (0.00 / 0)
Do you think Robert Byrd is going to take orders from a young black President whose mother was in high school when he was elected to the Senate? and do you think Ben Nelson isn't going to exploit the idea that he's fighting the President publically.

If anything, Obama has more influence over Webb.  


[ Parent ]
then he better bust some ass (0.00 / 0)
then he better apply some hard ass pressure fast. shame on webb

[ Parent ]
Personally, I think Webb (0.00 / 0)
would respond to more pressure from LGBT and Virginia Dems. Where is the organizatoin on the ground in Virginia?, where are the LGBT veterans groups pressuring him at home?

Really, I'd like to know, cause I'd like to help them, and maybe the ones in Nebraska and West Virginia too.

and maybe Massachusetts, see if we can flip Scott Brown.

I don't think the WH has much influence generally with the Senate, though I think they have more with Webb than Byrd or Nelson and I don't know that the WH and the Pentagon are on the same page.

Brad Ellsworth said he was undecided on DADT and explicitly said he'd take orders from the Pentagon and not the WH.  


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Byrd may just not vote... (4.00 / 1)
He's not expected to show up for the vote, although he can vote by proxy.  If he stays home and doesn't bother to phone his vote in, that's as good as a yes vote.

REID: Voting against us was never part of our arrangement!
SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!


[ Parent ]
He ought to. (0.00 / 0)
Personally, I think Bayh will vote "yes."  Ben Nelson is probably a "no."

[ Parent ]
Jim Webb should try doing his damn job (4.00 / 3)
and stop hiding behind other people.  Congress has the constitutional authority (and duty) to:

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces

The Constitution does not allow for second class citizenship.  It is that simple.

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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