Not Even Wrong: The Truth-Free Zone, Part 2

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 16:36


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In Part 1, "The Truth-Free Zone, Part 1: Truth And Lies Switch Places", I laid out a set of three closely-connected ideas, in response to an earlier post by Matt . These were:

  1. Truth and lies have switched places:  Lies continually repeated function like the truth, while truths that go unuttered function as if they were lies.  A prime example of this in the 2000 election was the conventional wisdom that Gore was a serial liar, while Bush was a man of great integrity-a straight-talker.
  2. Taken to the extreme, things that cannot possibly be so have taken the place of fundamental truths.  A prime example of this is the so-called "war on terror"-something that makes absolutely no sense, if you stop and think about it.
  3. Verbal formulations are used that are inherently non-sensical and cannot be used rationally-at least in the existing total environment. "Supporting the troops" is a prime example of this.

Part 1 explored the first idea.  Now it's time to examine the second one:

(2) Taken to the extreme, things that cannot possibly be so have taken the place of fundamental truths.

The most obvious, and dominant example of this is the so-called "war on terror," which started off as the "war on terrorism"-a very different concept. Terror is a state of mind. Terrorism is a strategy, though the adjective, terrorist-as in "terrorist attack"-more frequently refers to tactics that are part of a terrorist strategy.  Neither is the sort of thing that one can fight a war against.  Wars on abstract nouns generally do not turn out well, for the simple reason that abstract nouns can never surrender.  The fact that the "war on terrorism" imperceptibly morphed into the "war on terror" is indicative of how vacuous and non-sensical the entire enterprise is.

We are way past Orwell's 1984 here.  At least Oceana and Eurasia were the sorts of things that could have always been at war with one another.  But neither terror nor terrorism are this sort of thing.  Indeed, it's not simply false to say "we are fighting a war on terror" (or "terrorism").  It is worse than false.  It is meaningless.

The great 20th Century physicist Wolfgang Pauli coined an expression that is applicable here.  Having looked at a paper by a young physicist, he remarked that it "wasn't even wrong," meaning that it didn't even get the problem right, much less the solution.  And such is the case with the "war on terror/terrorism," as well-although actions taken in its name, such as the Iraq War, can be much worse than meaningless, by greatly worsening the realworld situtation that "war on terror" so meaninglessly mis-describes.

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The Meaninglessness of the "War On Terrorism"

In 1917, after having run for re-election on the slogan, "He Kept Us Out Of War," Woodrow Wilson turned around and took the United States into war.  He did so under the banner of fighting a "war to end all war."  Naturally, it didn't turn out that way.  In fact, World War I lead directly to World War II.  There were all sorts of similarities between then and now.  The efforts to suppress dissent were fierce-socialist leader Eugene V. Debs, who won over 900,000 votes (6%) runing for President in 1912 (he even ran ahead of Taft in Arizona), was sentenced to 10 years in prison for a speech critical of the war.  He ran for President again from prison in 1920, and won slightly more votes than in 1912, although a smaller percentage.

Even so, the "war to end all wars" had a certain logic to it, even though it was flawed.  If humanity were progressing as a whole, and wars were due to the aggression of certain powers that were not progressing, then it was possible that defeating those powers could provide an opening for the abolition of all wars.  Of course, World War I was not due simply to German aggression alone, and the victors in that war seemed to go out of their way to ensure that round two would not be long in coming, while also doing their best to sow future troubles in the Middle East as well.

Still, there was at least a plausible logic to the core notion of a "war to end all wars."  The same cannont be said about a "war on terrorism."

First, as historian Howard Zinn has said, "war is terrorism."  In the broader sense, this is clearly true.  And there is all the difference in the world between a "war to end all wars" and a "war on war."  A "war on war" only makes sense if the first "war" is metaphorical, and there is nothing whatsoever metaphorical about the prisoners being held at Guantanamo, and other unknown "black sites" across the globe, or about the casualties-American and Iraqi-that continue pilling up in Iraq day after bloody day.

One can fight fire with fire, by depriving fire in advance of the fuel it needs to grow beyond certain bounds.  But the same logic does not apply to war, short of killing all possible combatants in advance-which is hardly a solution.  One can, of course, prevent some wars by fighting other ones, but there is no guarantee that one does not cause even more wars in the process, which is why the proposition of fighting a war to end war in general is logically flawed.  This puts us back in the Wilsonian mode-one plagued with failure, rather than logical incohence. It presumes that one stands outside of history-the exact same assumption that others will make when they fight their wars to end all war.  But when one fights a war on war, one must, quite literally, close ones eyes to what one is doing. It is like fucking for virginity.

Second, in the narrower sense, "terrorism" refers to strategies employed primarily against civilians in a highly assymetrical armed struggle.  In this sense, a "war on terrorism" is no longer logically incoherent, it is simply stupid, since it gives terrorists precisely what they want.  The very point of terrorism in this narrower sense is to provoke a wanton and disproporationate response-i.e. war.  In doing so, the terrorists hope for precisely the result that Zinn points to-the terrorism of war, fought by a vastly superior power, will vastly overshadow the terrorism of the terrorists, and thus draw more people to their side, until they are finally able to fight against a military enemy, rather than only a civilian population.

On 9-11, "terrorism" didn't attack America, any more than "war" or "sneak attacks" attacked us on December 7, 1941.  On 9-11, al Qaeda attacked America.  But we didn't go to war with al Qaeda, which is why this war has taken so much longer than World War II, with no end remotely in sight.

When America was attacked by al Qaeda on 9-11, we had a specific, relatively small and weak enemy.  Moreover, they had just committed an unspeakable atrocity, one which so horrified many in the Moslem world that they could not believe it was done by fellow Moslems.  At this point, a disciplined, restrained response, focused on bringing the perpetrators to justice could have thoroughly discredited them.  Whatever injustices the United States might have been responsible for, directly or indirectly, virtually no one felt that the innocent victims in the World Trade Center or the hijacked airplanes should have terrorized and killed in response.  At that moment, before the United States took one drop of blood in response, we were in a position of tremendous moral authority-authority that would only have been enhanced had we acted with restraint.

This is the risk that terrorists always take-what if they strike, and authorities do not take the bait?  Ordinarily,  the strikes are small, so that if one strike does not provoke an over-reaction, then maybe the next one, or the one after that will do the trick.  The calculation is always that once the bait is taken, the target recruiting pool-both for terrorist recruitment and for political sympathy-will forget about the early acts of terrorist provocaiton.  But 9-11 was different.  It was wildly disproportionate.  If the United States did not take the bait, the game was over.  No child born for a hundred years would be given the name of "Osama."  Fortunately for bin Laden, Bush took bait.  After all, he had been waiting for just such an opportunity.

The Meaninglessness of the "War On Terror"

Merriam-Webster:

terror

Main Entry:
  ter·ror Listen to the pronunciation of terror
Pronunciation:
  \'ter-?r, 'te-r?r\
Function:
  noun
Etymology:
  Middle English, from Anglo-French terrour, from Latin terror, from terr?re to frighten; akin to Greek trein to be afraid, flee, tremein to tremble - more at tremble
Date:
  14th century

1: a state of intense fear
2 a: one that inspires fear : scourge b: a frightening aspect c: a cause of anxiety : worry d: an appalling person or thing; especially : brat
3: reign of terror
4: violent or destructive acts (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands
synonyms see fear
- ter·ror·less Listen to the pronunciation of terrorless \-l?s\ adjective

Given that wars generally cause "a state of intense fear" in thousands, if not millions of people, the self-contradictory nature of a "war on terror" should be immediately obvious.  The fact that it is not may simply indicate how terrified we already are:  we can no longer think straight.

It the "war on terrorism" was either a meaningless, or self-defeating construct of precisely the sort that the terrorists might wish for, the gradual morphing into the "war on terror" bespeaks an even deeper confusion, for-as just pointed out-"terror" is a condition of extreme fear, and that is precisely what the Bush Administration has repeatedly sought to spead among the American people.  Indeed, the Democrats' recent capitulations over gutting FISA were specifically motivated, at least in part, by the Bush Administration scaring the Democrats with the threat of a terrorist attack, which it in turn would blame a terrorized nation on them.

It is, indeed, true that the only card Bush has left to play is fear itself.  He is the ultimate terrorist.  And this hooks us back into the subject of the previous diary-it is a truth that cannot be spoken, and thus, in Versailles, it functions as if it were a lie.

This forbidden truth is only a strating point, however, for what intelligent national policy would look like.  If, as FDR said, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself," there is still much that needs to be understood and responded to.  A pre-requisite, of course, is belief in the full range of our Enlightenment heritage that today's GOP is resolutely opposed to at virtually every level. Properly assessing a full range of risks and how to respond to them in an integrated fashion requires Enlightenment reason for the analysis itself, and Enlightenment political values in order to turn analysis into action.

But a modest starting point is simply sorting out the relative significance of various different risks, a subject tacked by Barry Glassner in his 1999 book, Culture of Fear: Why Americans Are Afraid of the Wrong Things.  It's not a perfect book, and one can rationally disagree with different aspects of his argument, as noted below.  But the overall thrust is a beam of clarity compared to our current wallowing in darkness and denial.

Publishers Weekly wrote:

In a provocative report, Glassner (Career Crash, etc.) contends that Americans' worries about crime, drugs, child abuse and other issues have been blown out of proportion by a mass media that thrives on scares. Exposing fear-mongering in many quarters, this University of Southern California sociology professor argues that trendy issues like road rage, workplace violence, teenage suicide, "granny dumping" (abandonment of the elderly by callous relatives) and sex crimes via the Internet are "false crises" manufactured by inflated statistics and hype. Lambasting liberals as well as conservatives who allegedly blame teen moms for the nation's social ills, Glassner contends that teenage pregnancy is largely a response to the nation's economic and educational decline. He also believes that America's expensive campaign against illegal drugs like cocaine, heroin and marijuana diverts attention from the far more serious problem of deaths from the abuse of legal drugs and physicians' gross negligence in prescribing them. The good news, he reports, is that airplane travel is safer than ever and that the incidence of child kidnapping has been wildly exaggerated. Perhaps unsurprisingly, he has his own axes to grind: he calls Gulf War Syndrome a "metaphoric illness," tweaks the hypocrisy of "those who single out rap singers as specially sexist or violent" and labels the FDA's 1992 ban on silicone breast implants "a grand victory of anecdote over science." Some of his arguments are fresher than others; in any case, this antidote to paranoia is a guaranteed argument-starter.

That's what we need: a reality-based approach to understanding the risks we face.  But we can't really have that when the greatest risk we face is a President in league with al Qaeada, terrorizing our entire populace and our entire political system as well.  And, of course, we can't deal with that as long as this fundamental truth is universally regarded as a lie in Versailles.


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Culture of Fear (4.00 / 1)
I am once again reminded of our discussion of Shock Doctrine. I am reading the book right now.

Klein talks about how people turn helpless when they are shocked (whether by electrodes, natural disaster, or an attack like 9-11). The War On Terror, is perpetual shock. There is the constant threat of terror if we give up.

As you say it is nonsensical. But I think the Bush team chose this precisely because what it enables: it enables a war response and disables an international criminal court response, and enables us go after any target so long as we call it a source of 'terror'. Most importantly it disables any logical or reason-based response. Had he called it War on Taliban, War on Hussein, War on Iraq Insurrections, War on Iran- we would see so much more clearly what he is doing, and argue that each portion of the war is over. But an open, non-logical term allows him to train his spot light any where and shout Terror! This is why the vote to deem the Iranian Revolutionary Guards 'terrorists' was so crucial. Now Bush no longer needs to distinguish between the civil war, Al Qaida, and Iran in Iraq--we are now fighting terrorists and terrorism, which enables him to take the War On Terror into Iran.

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I Agree Comletely, Except For Maybe One Thing (0.00 / 0)
I'm not sure how deliberate this was--or, for that matter, how deliberate you think it was.  I think these guys are real weasles, who have deeply internalized this fear-maniupulation shit, so that they don't have to consciously think about any of it at all.

Of course there are some, such as Rove, who do think of it, because they are the front-line technicians of the propaganda war, and they have to tweak things here and there, which takes a cerain amount of conscious reflection, like a good football coach.  But I think that most of the principals are more like the football players themselves, just running on instinct and doing what comes naturally.

This is just speculation on my part, of course, though we do know some details.  Like about how the "axis of hatred" became the "axis of evil."  But the real core stuff, about how the "war on terrorism" was named--and how it morphed into the "war on terror"--is still a mystery, so far as I know.

Maybe someone else will correct me on this.

Finally, what I think is really key about The Shock Doctrine is that it reframes 9-11 and the "War on Terror" frame.  It shows them to be part of a very deliberate long-term strategy.  It was not just a one-off piece of opportunism.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Recent relevant news (0.00 / 0)

...what I think is really key about The Shock Doctrine is that it reframes 9-11 and the "War on Terror" frame.  It shows them to be part of a very deliberate long-term strategy.  It was not just a one-off piece of opportunism.

Recent news that Bush officials approached telco execs about mobilizing an illegal spying program within days of taking power in early 2001 reinforce the notion that they were geared up to move in this direction well before 9-11.


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Was it deliberate, or not? (0.00 / 0)
You seem a bit uncertain on the issue of whether the course chosen by the Bush/Cheney Junta was the result of thought, or chance.

You start off somewhat uncertain:

"I'm not sure how deliberate this was--or, for that matter, how deliberate you think it was.  I think these guys are real weasles, who have deeply internalized this fear-maniupulation shit, so that they don't have to consciously think about any of it at all."

But by the end of the post, you seem to have changed your mind:

"Finally, what I think is really key about The Shock Doctrine is that it reframes 9-11 and the "War on Terror" frame.  It shows them to be part of a very deliberate long-term strategy.  It was not just a one-off piece of opportunism."

Personally, I think it was very deliberate.  If the Conservatives are as vile and un-democratic as you have described in previous and current diaries, then why would they hesitate to make a false case for a war that they want to wage for some other, less savory reasons?  In fact, I would contend that they have no other choice.  The truth of their intentions are un-American and un-lawful, so they cannot be cited in public as the motivation for the invasion, occupation and destabilization of Iraq and the greater middle east.  Rather, because most Americans live in bubble of illusion (lies, if you insist) that allows them to believe that this nation is exclusively a force for "good" in the world, regardless of what the "reality-based" history  indicates, they must be fed the reasoning in terms of that illusion. 

What illusion?  (delusion?)

The US does not wage wars of aggression - we stand up for the little guy, just like the local cop on the beat.  We are not interested in such mundane things as oil, or shipping lanes, we fight for principle and honor - that's the American Way. 

I may be suffering from a lack of party affiliation, but I don't think that Republicans, or Conservatives are the sole perpetrators of that kind of delusional thinking.

Take the phrase, "the US does not torture".  Even those that oppose the Bush/Gonzales redefinition of torture have accepted the basic, underlying delusion - that UNTIL BUSH, the US did not torture.  This casts Bush/Cheney and the NeoCons as an abberation - as a "one off" - rather than as the product of long-term "struggle" to take control of the US and soldify that control by undermining the political system.


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     ...but its right."


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I Meant "Deliberate" In Sense of Being Deliberated (0.00 / 0)
And different deliberations were being discussed in the two parts of my comment. I have no doubt that the overall post-9-11 strategy was deliberate (and mapped out well in advance), but the question here--a much narrower one--is whether the "war on terrorism" (later "war on terror") formulation was deliberately chosen for it's utility in the manned bluethunder may be suggesting.  This is an open questions, so far as I know, which can only be settled by more and better evidence. 

The larger question of deliberate intent behind the shock docrine spans a much longer period of time, and there is an abundance of evidence on that score, much of it cited by Naomi Klein in her book.

Personally, I think it was very deliberate.  If the Conservatives are as vile and un-democratic as you have described in previous and current diaries, then why would they hesitate to make a false case for a war that they want to wage for some other, less savory reasons?  In fact, I would contend that they have no other choice.

As they themselves realized when they spoke of the need for a "new Pearl Harbor" in PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses."  Fighting terrorism barely merited a passing nod in that lengthly document.

But again, my question about deliberation merely had to do with the choice of the specific "war on terrorism" forumlation, and whether this required deliberate intent or not.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Fear, courage, faith and new narratives (4.00 / 1)
[Note: I wrote this comment before reading Part 2 of Paul's multi-part post.  I don't have time to revise it much in light of Part 2, except to say I appreciate the latter's discussion of "fear" and "terror"]...

I'm glad to see you tackling these subjects, Paul.  As I ponder your posts, Matt's and today's reality, the "theory" that strikes me as having the most fundamental explanatory power is that "fear" is the core driver of the dysfunctional mass psychology that plagues our polity and society in general. 

In right-wing Republicans, this fear (of the world and of the self) tends to manifest as reality- and self-denying hypocrisy, projection, propagandist big lies, hate-mongering, demonizing, among other things.  In DC Dems it manifests more as self-conscious and obsessive caution and self-protective tactical maneuvering, and an inability to muster the courage to face and speak the truth on a consistent basis and take political and legislative action driven by reality and the courage to face it.

To the extent this is a correct (though admittedly simplistic) diagnosis, a key question becomes how to move from fear to courage and faith (not necessarily religious faith, but simply faith that courage in facing reality is worth the effort and risk).  This combination of courage and faith might also be called "inspiration."

This gets me back to our earlier discussion of myths and narratives.  As I see it, religions provide myths and narratives that can, to varying degrees, spur courage, faith and inspired action.  The same can be said of historical narratives and identities, including versions of the "American" identity that harken back to the Founding Fathers.  The love of one's children and a strong desire and vision for them to have happy and healthy futures can be similarly inspiring.  At the same time, these potential sources of inspiring and deeply resonant narratives can sometimes also trigger deep and complexly embedded fears (e.g., fear of a vengeful God or a nightmarish future for our children).  These, in turn will reinforce the dysfunctional elements noted above and discussed in various recent threads.

Today's dominant right-wing myths and narratives have done a pretty effective job of tangling self-deception and fear with courage- and faith-inspiring myths and narratives.  This seems to be a key characteristic of fascistic belief systems.  For example, the myth of the "heroic Aryan hero who destroys the dishonorable and duplicitous inferior races" was offered to Germans who had suffered acute material and emotional pain and degradation in the years following WWI.  Visions of "true believers" being saved while non-believers must either be converted, eliminated or left to burn in hell strikes me as similar in its roots and manifestations, especially when tied to militaristic patriotism, as seems to be the case for some right-wing segments of our political class and population.

This dynamic tends to increase fear levels, while also amplifying the level of cognitive dissonance.  This creates a fork in the road.  One road amplifies fear levels to achieve the ever-higher threshold of denial required to manage the growing cognitive dissonance.  It is the road largely taken by the right-wing in our society (as Paul notes, very dramatically and tragically so after 9/11).  As I see it, DC Democrats have either also chosen this road (though perhaps less enthusiastically), been carried along with the momentum, or simply sat on the sidelines, complaining, befuddled and/or intimidated by its intensity. 

There is, however, another fork in the road, but it's one that requires courage, faith and inspiration.  Though it's a challenging road to walk in some respects, it also tends to reinforce these same virtues, especially if those traveling it are supported on their journey by:  1) leaders who manifest these virtues and;  2) narratives (i.e., "identity and meaning stories") that, together with these leaders, inspire the manifestation of these virtues within others.  I believe these qualities (as well as others like kindness, compassion, wisdom, etc.) are potentialities within all of us.  To varying degrees, however, they are buried and distorted (in some, perhaps beyond the hope of reaching) mainly, as noted above, by fear, and its close emotional relatives and offspring.  That's why narratives and leaders who manifest and can help us understand them are so important.

There are, of course, instances of courage, clarity and progressive narrative within the DC/media political culture.  But these tend to lack sustaining power, in part because the media system through which they must be conveyed to most American citizens has developed strong momentum in favor of "fear, distraction and disempowerment" as an effective media business strategy they believe can attract and retain large numbers of viewers relatively receptive to commercial advertising messages.  This business motivation (compounded by deregulation and other trends) has, over the years, been supplemented by motivations tied to the political preferences and political favor-seeking of media elites.  Together, these have yielded a deeply dysfunctional mass media system.

In two old MyDD diary posts I proposed that the progressive community attempt to counter this fear-based momentum with a focused media campaign built around what I called "Democratic Vision and Values," and featuring the best of our "strong, clear and smart" leaders (not just national leaders, but local as well).  This campaign seems closely tied to the need for new narratives discussed in recent OL threads, and I  still think it would be a good investment of resources. If anyone's interested, here are links to those two earlier MyDD posts.
http://mydd.com/stor...
http://mydd.com/stor...
 


Boy You Said A Mouthful! (0.00 / 0)
And I pretty much agree with all of it, at least on first reading.

I'm going to have to chew on your MyDD posts for a bit.  I think you're onto something, mostly because I've had some similar ideas myself, so of course we must be right!

But, seriously, I want to read them more carefully to see what you've thought about that I haven't and then go back over my old ideas--which I only ever mentioned in passing before.  Thanks to you, I now feel motivated to do more.

I can add one thing to the mix, however.  I think that one big factor we need to pay more attention to is the role of Vietnam--and the parallel to the impact that Germany's loss in WWI had on it.  There's a really incredible book, Warrior Dreams:  Paramilitary Culture in Post-Vietnam America by James William Gibson (not the science fiction author, but a sociologist from Cal State Long Beach), which was published the year before the Oklahoma City bombing, and thus prepared me incredibly well for understanding what I was seeing when that went down.

There is, indeed, a whole subculture that has grown out of the Vietnam experience that is dedicated to elaborating the cognitive disonance that came from not facing up to what happened there, rather than trying to resolve it.  And AWOL is definitely very much a beneficiary of that reality-hostile cult.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Chew, digest and integrate... (4.00 / 1)
I'm glad my comment stirred some thoughts and motivation to revisit some of your earlier ideas.  You clearly have the ability to digest and integrate lots of information and ideas--and still bring them back to what's important. So I'm pleased if some of what I throw into the hopper can help the process along.  Since I don't have much time to read all these good and valuable books, I appreciate that you're read them, and can lay out contexts in which others of us can find places to add our own perspectives and information. 

That's part of the beauty of the web...in key respects its an incredibly efficient medium for collaboration (intellectual and action-based), and will only get more capable as time goes by--unless of course, the worst-case "non-neutral network" scenarios unfold, a reality we need to avoid.

If you have any comments on my old MyDD posts, I'm all ears.  If there's potential value in them, I'd love to see that value extracted, integrated into something bigger and better and, most importantly, acted upon.


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I Will Have Comments. Just Not Today. (0.00 / 0)
I agree about the collaborative potential.  Things could get really awesome really fast, given what I know of exponential growth.  If we start getting that sort of growth with density of cognitive connections, watch out!  We could go from a junior high-level political culture to a grad-school political culture in a very short period of time.

It's literally unthinkable from where we stand now, but revolutionary change is almost by definition unthinkable before it comes.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Do read Orgin of Wealth if you... (0.00 / 0)
....have not already done so. Chapter 8 'Emergence' is about exactly this point.

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Disproving Lies (4.00 / 1)
I ate lunch today with (among others) an older man who, although a Democrat, seems to latch on to some weird myths.  Today he was saying that he wouldn't vote for Obama because he is a Moslem.  The fact that Obama has attended the same Christian church in Chicago for 20 years didn't faze him.  Obama was now a stealth Moslem.

In itself, it is kind of amusing.  But why would this man think Barack Obama was a Moslem and maintain that belief despite evidence to the contrary?  And why would Obama's religious beliefs have much effect on his vote? 

The interesting thing here is that he and his daughter felt safe with Hillary.  She was familiar.  She may have been a woman but otherwise she carried a familiar name, had been around on the national stage for a long time, and simply seemed safe.

Disproving lies about a new subject was much harder than disproving lies about an established player on the national stage.  Al Gore really should have been able to shake the Republican lie machine.  The absolute intractability of the national media was bizarre and not something that would normally be predicted.

Why don't we create the myths about new Republican players like Romney or Fred Thompson?  The myths can, in fact, bear strong resemblence to the truth but they need to be entered into the public consciousness.  Romney as the rich man with no clue about regular people or anything outside the higher realms of corporate experience is truth and should be "myth" as well.  A similar true "myth" about George H. W. Bush hurt him badly in 1992.  The P4esident had no idea what things cost and what problems an average family faced.  He was dead meat, Gulf War Victory or not. 


Politics like all other human endeavors is.... (4.00 / 1)
....about stories.

'We' need to, and are, retell stories that have worked in the past as per your example and also develop new ones. The ReichWing is always doing this.

Sadly, our Democratic consultants don't understand this. They're lousy story tellers over the last 40 years.

But...

Go check out John Edwards. He's stating to do it.

His, 'I'm not going to give the insurance companies a "seat at the table  'cause the'll eat all the food" is one that resonates.

Beyond that is the problem of getting the stories heard. The Internet is our biggest tool for that as we are shut out of corporatist media.

And so on....

Mostly the same old stuff here.

But...

The stories really, really do matter.

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You're Absolutely Right (0.00 / 0)
One of the problems is that the rightwing has its own very well-developed media infrastructure to circulate such myths, and we do not, although that is certainly changing.

Another, obviously related problem is that Democrats have a lot of low-information voters, who also don't vote as regularly as Republicans.  While a lot of the information that the Republican voters have is wrong, it does serve to innoculate them from new information, true or false.

Still, this is no reason not to do as you suggest.  It may not have as much effect as what the rightwing does, but it will certainly help.  I think what the firefighters are doing with Guiliani is an example of this.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Firefighters are doing good. (4.00 / 1)
'We' have a long way to go however in this sense. Many folks who are now flocking to Free Left Blogistan are very low-info as to:

What progressives are about and what they stand for.

The movement's history, Unitary Moonbat at dKos has done some great work here.

How our system of government was designed to work. Very important as John Dean pointed out today at FDL, 'Yer can't fix somethin' that's broke if you don't know how it's supposed to work in the first place.' which is what fuels a lot of the frustration people have, justifiably so, about the slow pace of pushback against the Bush disaster.I believe if people understood how the Founders felt about rapid change and 'the will of the people' they's have a little more confidence that the system is working...just very slowly.

I've tried to modify my commenting style at dKos to allow for these low -info folks as I feel trying to do a little teaching rather than flaming is going to be much more productive in the long run.

As to story telling ability....

I think many here are quite good at that and that we should practice on each other until we develop some good narratives with embedded lessons for the low-info folks. Storytelling is an art and a craft and differs from much of the dialogue here but is, as I assert, crucial.

I am reinforced in my long time belief that this is so from reading The Origin of Wealth recommended by Matt. A really great piece of work.

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Excellent Points To Reflect On (0.00 / 0)
I think it's very important for us to cultivate the sorts of awareness you're talking about.  Having seen many times how quickly a flame war can disrupt, even destroy a community, it's vitally important to recognize the flip side--how rich a community can become if people consciously strive to make it so.  We have come nowhere close to the limit of our possibilities.

Thanks for the reminder.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Compelling core narratives for low-info voters (4.00 / 1)
It seems that speaking to low-information voters is one area where clear and compelling narratives can have the most benefit.  Not too many of them are likely to read all the books referenced in these threads (or even the threads themselves), so core, strong-image, valued-anchored narratives are especially useful for these voters--as Fox has demonstrated by its ability to convince large numbers of its viewers of "false facts", and for these folks to remain convinced well after these claims have been refuted by virtually every authority (except of course, Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh, who seem to anchor the non-reality-based political sector).

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Core Narratives (0.00 / 0)
I am at work so can't find more detail about this right now, but in terms of people writing on narratives, frames, and values I would check out works by George Lakoff like Thinking Points, Whose Freedom, and Don't Think of an Elephant You can also go to www.rockridgenation.org for discussions of this.

Narratives are crucial--I agree.

Thomas Frank's What's the Matter with Kansas is good too.
He frames the conservative movment along the following lines: you vote for bans on gays and you get bans on environmental regulation, you vote for tax cuts, and get tax cuts for billionares, you vote for more guns, and you get more wars.

The idea is while Conservatives use value-issues to whip their voters to a froth, in the end they do more for corporations and the rich-elite.

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Whose Freedom (0.00 / 0)
is particularly relevent, since it works through a single core concept in great detail.  (Just happen to have it right on top of one of three stacks of books right next to my computer.)

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I'd love it if... (4.00 / 1)
If all the people on this site were to post a list of their top 10 must reads.

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Great Idea! (0.00 / 0)
Of course, it's an impossible task.  But attempting the impossible is one of the most important things you can do.

I'll start working on mine, and try to post it by the end of the week--with some explanation of the choices, of course.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Good deal! (0.00 / 0)


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asdf (0.00 / 0)
"But when one fights a war on war, one must, quite literally, close ones eyes to what one is doing. It is like fucking for virginity."

I agree with your points, but that last sentence was pretty tasteless.


Yeah, I Know (0.00 / 0)
It Isn't Nice

Notes: words and music by Malvina Reynolds; copyright 1964 Schroder Music Company, renewed 1993. This original version of the song was banned from the radio in Japan--in Japanese, but not in English!

It isn't nice to block the doorway,
It isn't nice to go to jail,
There are nicer ways to do it,
But the nice ways always fail.
It isn't nice, it isn't nice,
You told us once, you told us twice,
But if that is Freedom's price,
We don't mind.

It isn't nice to carry banners
Or to sit in on the floor,
Or to shout our cry of Freedom
At the hotel and the store.
It isn't nice, it isn't nice,
You told us once, you told us twice,
But if that is Freedom's price,
We don't mind.

We have tried negotiations
And the three-man picket line,1
Mr. Charlie2 didn't see us
And he might as well be blind.
Now our new ways aren't nice
When we deal with men of ice,
But if that is Freedom's price,
We don't mind.

How about those years of lynchings
And the shot in Evers' back?
Did you say it wasn't proper,
Did you stand upon the track?
You were quiet just like mice,
Now you say we aren't nice,
And if that is Freedom's price,
We don't mind.

It isn't nice to block the doorway,
It isn't nice to go to jail,
There are nicer ways to do it
But the nice ways always fail.
It isn't nice, it isn't nice,
But thanks for your advice,
Cause if that is Freedom's price,
We don't mind.



"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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