Inherently Illogical Statements: The Truth-Free Zone, Part 3

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 20:29


In Part 1, "The Truth-Free Zone, Part 1: Truth And Lies Switch Places", I laid out a set of three closely-connected ideas, in response to an earlier post by Matt . These were:

  1. Truth and lies have switched places:  Lies continually repeated function like the truth, while truths that go unuttered function as if they were lies.  A prime example of this in the 2000 election was the conventional wisdom that Gore was a serial liar, while Bush was a man of great integrity-a straight-talker.
  2. Taken to the extreme, things that cannot possibly be so have taken the place of fundamental truths.  A prime example of this is the so-called "war on terror"-something that makes absolutely no sense, if you stop and think about it.
  3. Verbal formulations are used that are inherently non-sensical and cannot be used rationally-at least in the existing total environment. "Supporting the troops" is a prime example of this.

Part 1 ("The Truth-Free Zone, Part 1: Truth And Lies Switch Places") explored the first idea.  Part 2 ("Not Even Wrong: The Truth-Free Zone, Part 2") explored the second one.  Now it's time to examine the third one:

"Supporting the Troops" As An Inherently Deceitful Formulation

Sending soldies off to die in a worse than meaningness, counterproductive war is "supporting the troops."  Trying to end that counterproductive war, and bring them home alive is "not supporting the troops."  Sending them off to war without adequate body armor, medical care, and R&R is also "supporting the troops."  Trying to ensure that they do have adequate body armor, medical care, and R&R is not "supporting the troops," it may even be "not supporting the troops."  If they come back badly injured mentally, giving them bogus discharges for previously undiagnosed "personality disorders" is "supporting the troops."  Trying to stop this heinous practice is not "supporting the troops," and even, very likely "not supporting the troops." 

In sum, "supporting the troops" is supporting whatever Bush wants to do. But we don't say, "supporting whatever Bush wants to do."  We say "supporting the troops," instead, because Bush has a long, long history of hiding his failings behind other people's reputations and virtue

Clearly, something very odd is going on here, and while many bloggers have commented on this over the years, I'm not aware of anyone who I think has fully nailed it.  I'm not going to nail it either, because I think it might well take a 300-page book to do it justice, but I am going to add something useful, I hope. 

Paul Rosenberg :: Inherently Illogical Statements: The Truth-Free Zone, Part 3
Identity Politics

First off, I think what we're seeing is primarily an expression of identity politics.  The yellow ribbons are the big giveaway on this.  In Vietnam, millions of families had loved ones who served in Vietnam.  It didn't just touch folks in military base towns, or folks inner city neighborhoods where recruiters set out on months-long campaigns.  It touched folks everywhere.  And so when I see a yellow ribbon on an SUV, I know the odds are very, very good that the driver doesn't know anyone who is risking their life for the sake of his low MPGs.  The ribbon is, generally, not about someone they know. It is about them.  And it is certainly not about some responsibility they feel. It is about a show of faux responsibility.

In case you hadn't guessed, I hate those yellow ribbons.  If I were a drinking man, I'd surely have a string of charges against me by now.  But at least they make it obvious:  we are faced with a tribe of wannabes that don't really wanna be, if you know what I mean.  They just want to seem to wannabe.  And this is what the functionally incoherent "I support the troops" rhetoric is all about.

It's like being a sports fan, only the team is Team USA!  It doesn't really matter if a sports fan can talk intelligently about "their" team.  Of course there's a hard core of fandom for whom it's vitally important, and that's one big difference between sports fandom and the yellow ribbon crowd.  But as anyone who's ever been to a sports or a tailgate party or even just high school can tell you, there's a huge contingent of sports fans who are utterly and totally clueless as well.  They operate at the most basic level on which fandom is built: repetitive chants, group-coordinated body movements, team colors, etc.  None of these is about communicating reality-based information.  It is about self-expression in the service of strengthening social bonds.  Which perfectly describes-at least from one angle-the way people use the expression, "I support the troops."

Angle #2:  Sequential Thinking

Related to the notion of "I support the troops" as an expression of tribal identity is a concept I've talked about before both here and at MyDD over the years.  I'm referring to Shawn Rosenberg's (no relation) three-fold schema of adult reasoning:

  • Sequential thinkers reason "by tracking the world," recognize regularities in sequences of events, but have no abstract understanding of cause and effect.  The world they perceive is a world of appearances that has very little organization to it beyond the recurrence of sequences.

  • Linear thinkers understand cause and effect, limited to a one-direction, one-cause/one-effect model.  The world they perceive has logical order and structure, but the structure is invariably hierarchical, causality flows top-down, and the world is divided neatly into cause and effect.

  • Systematic thinkers understand multi-faceted, multi-linear cause and effect, with mutual cause-and-effect relationships between different elements.  The world they perceive is primarily a world of systems and relationships, rather than objects.

Sequential reasoning is also commonly referrred to associational reasoning.  Things are connected together by some association, which may be entirely arbitrary.  Logic plays no role whatsoever. 

In addition, here are some further characteristics of sequential thinking:

  • The notion of causality, e.g. that events are caused by necessary and sufficient preconditions, does not play a salient role in the sequential mind. Events transpire, without much interpretation of how they come about. The attention is occupied by one item at a time, and there is little spontaneous effort to relate them to other items or to a general context.

  • The sequential thinker is not really aware that the world may appear differently to other people, and he or she has therefore a limited ability to take the perspective of others.

  • Sequential thinking involves conceptual relations that "are synthetic without being analytic.  They join events together but the union forged is not subject to any conceptual dissection." [Direct quote from Rosenberg's book.] Because such relations are non-rational, there is nothing rational one can say or do to change them. (Sound familiar?)

  • But they can change, Rosenberg explains, based on changing appearances. These relationships "are mutable," they can either be extended, based on "share[d] recognized overlapping events" (connections provided by Limbaugh, O'Lielly, etc.) or changed, when the sequence does not play out as expected.  Because it is a pre-logical mode of thought, "the relations of sequential thought engender expectations, but do not create subjective standards of normal or necessary relations between events."  People who think this way can be quite unbothered by a lack of consistency.

I want to draw particular attention to the third item.  The various uses of "support the troops" phraseology are like a group poster-child photomontage for "conceptual relations that 'are synthetic without being analytic.'"  People who comprehend the world at this level can't even imagine what they are missing.  The very notion of logical incoherence makes no sense if you have no reference frame of logical coherence to compare it to.  And that's precisely the situation they find themselves in, although they may not realize it.

You see, they can watch or listen to someone-such as Limbaugh, O'Reilly, even Bush-who acts out a vignette of engaging in logical analysis, and they will take this enactment as a defining example of what logical analysis is.  All that is necessary is that it be presented as "logical analysis" and the true believer sequential thinker will accept it as such.  With misguided models of logical analysis in place, such people are doubly protected from the real thing.  First, they lack the necessary cognitive development to actually understand what it is.  Second, they already think they know what it is, and thus they have no interest in looking into it, should the matter ever come up.

I said that this perspective was related to the notion of "I support the troops" as an expression of tribal identity.  The reason for this is that Rosenberg argues this level of thinking is congruent with growing up in a tribal social setting, or something roughly analogous to it-a relatively simple social environment in which complex, cross-cutting loyalties do not play a significant role.  The use of sequential ideas both reflects and helps promote a social environment in which complex loyalties simply are not possible.  Which means that if you are not blindly loyal, then the only alternative is that you are a traitor.

Coda

I think I've only scratched the surface here, in response to the question that Matt asked.  But I hope that in doing so I've kept that question alive, and encouraged others to continue the discussion.  We are clearly not operating according to the rules of normal discourse as it has develeposed over the course of the last several centuries, especially since the 18th Century Enightenment.  We need to do a lot of work in order to understand how and why that is, and what can be done about it.  Hopefully, these three diaries have helped spur poeple's interst in that direction.


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Here is a video post.... (4.00 / 1)
....revolving around 'yellow ribbons' that cuts to the heart of the matter.

And I do mean cuts.

http://takeaction.wo...

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


Oh My God! (0.00 / 0)
Where's the Ed Sullivan Show when you really need it???

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I really enjoyed this 3 part series (0.00 / 0)
keep up the good work.

The source for Supporting the Troops (4.00 / 1)
is pretty obvious. 

It is a conscious attempt to avoid the insults that were hurled at those who served in Vietnam.  And it seems pretty rational to me.  In fact, the reason that this slogan spread was precisely because there was so much opposition to the War from the very beginning. 

When we say we support the troops what we are really saying is that we honor THIEIR commitment to the service of the country.

Even though at a fundemental level we disagree with the War, we can still say that, and still mean it.  In fact, that is exactly how most of the country feels: the war is a mistake but we appreciate the sacrifice of the soldiers who are conducting it.


I agree with you (0.00 / 0)
Its true that the "support the troops" theme on the anti-war side is a response to the previous anti-war movements and protests.

Still, it was not the anti-war folks that co-opted the yellow ribbons from the original meaning which was in support of the US hostages held by Iran in the late '70s.  It was the pro-war folks that took over that symbol.

That said, "support the troops" is a tough line for the anti-war side.  Logically, it can be used as a basis for not cutting the funds for the troops in the field and this has significantly undermined the war opposition.  This position has been made significantly more difficult by the volunteer military, too.  It was easier to play the draftee as an innocent victim of the government's war.  Volunteers have some responsibility for their own actions, and if you oppose the action, its hard to support those that decide to enact those actions.

During the First Gulf War, we developed new symbols for the peace movement.  Blue ribbons and a new peace sign.  The ribbons caught on a bit, but the concept was to develop un tarnished symbols for our struggle, rather than get involved trying to "restore" the meaning of the older symbols.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Actually, It Was The Hostage Supporters Who Coopted The Symbol From Convicts (0.00 / 0)
As recalled in the multi-platinum (and thoroughly unlistenable, emotionally-inappropriate) 1973 hit by Tony Orlando and Dawn.

The much older song, "She Wore A Yellow Ribbon," which I learned as a kind in the 50s, is military-based, but clearly involves a siginificantly different set of meanings.  For a woman in this tradition to remove the ribbon from her person and display it elsewhere would have sent a very different meaning from that invoked in "Tie A Yellow Ribbon From The Old Oak Tree"--and not a very welcoming one, either.

As usual, wikipedia has more (and more complicating) background.

What it doesn't say is that there's good reason why yellow ribbons should be associated with both the military and convicts.  The reason, of course, is obvious: aside from the officer corps, the military was almost exclusively composed of those who could go either way--or both at once.  Once having served, a soldier who ran afoul of the law was likely to cling all the more ferverantly to the symbols of their identity as a soldier, such as the yellow ribbon as a sign of remembrance.

Now, of course, the yellow ribbon is used as not just a sign and symbol of forgetting, but as an instrument of willfuly ignoring and denying precisely this sort of military/criminal connection--the war-crimes committed by our troops at Abu Graihb and elsewhere.

Of course, further complicating the true history is that these sorts of crimes do not have the same genesis.  They are top-down crimes that flow from deliberate policy, not from the socially marginal nature of the population from which troops are drawn.

Ain't cultural history fun?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Thanks for the background (4.00 / 1)
on yellow ribbons.

Slightly off-topic, perhaps, but something you might appreciate:

A discussion about mechanism design theory in economics.

http://minnesota.pub...

Particularly, the call-in questions about supply-side economics and whether, or not, the notion that cutting taxes lead to re-investment (to make a long theory short).  Conclusion was that absolutely no evidence exists to support those claims, in fact, quite the opposite.  Made me think about your recent posts about non-reality based arguments for political plans.  The economics professor on the show arrives at many of the same conclusions that you have pointed to, but by a slightly different pathway and he uses different words to describe them.  He doesn't get into "reality vs fantasy", just reiterates that the data does not support the mechanisms of supply-side dogma, then points out that the only place that supply-side economics gets "analyzed" in the WSJ, or NYT - rather than the scientific, peer-reviewed, journals in which the opposing views are discussed.

You might enjoy it.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Thanks. Will Look Into This! (0.00 / 0)
It's worth noting that at the time these arguments were made in the early 1980s, there was an obvious counter-argument: If you want to encourage investments, then increase investment tax credits.

This is a simple, straight-forward, narrowly-targeted policy that will obviously have a much higher probability of doing what you want. Some of the investment generated may be dubious, or ill-advisded, but there will be no money removed from government revenue streams that goes to buying luxury goods, bidding up stock prices, or, worse still, outsourcing jobs to Asia, which was all the rage at the time.

Naturally, you don't need a PhD in economics to understand the soundness of this counter-argument.  It's a no-brainer, as they say in the trade.  But I remember month after month listening in vain for this argument to come to the fore, and eliminate all the supply-side foolishness.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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See (0.00 / 0)
more below.  The support the troops slogan has enabled, not prevented anti-war feelings to grow.

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This Is Not Really Accurate (0.00 / 0)
The "silent majority" who supported the Vietnam War were far more anti-troop than the anti-war movement was.  The anti-war movement had veterans leading their marches in the form of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, while the "silent majority" regarded the vets as losers, and had no desire to hear about the reality in Vietnam.  I hitch-hiked across country dozens of times in the late 60s and early 70s, and Vietnam Vets were by far the largest demographic group that gave me rides, usually because they wanted someone to talk to, and they would invariably tell me how they couldn't talk to anyone about the war, how nobody wanted to hear about it.

Most notably, the infamous "spitting" incidents were apocrophyl stories that only surfaced years after they supposedly happened.  There is no record of single such incident being reported in the press at the time.

In short, what people are reacting to is revisionist history, not what actually happened.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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What was not invented (0.00 / 0)
were the VC flags at Anti-War demonstrations, or the baby killer comments. There were groups in the Anti-War movement that wanted the US to lose.  These were not the views of most anti-war people in the US at the time - but they did exist.  See the chapter in Gitlin's book the Sixties entitled "The other side".

You have missed the key idea here: what people are trying to express here is that they honor the sacrifice of the soldiers. In fact, the better phrase would be just that: We honor the troops.

The Average American has no problem reconcilling these two thoughts: I am against the War but I honor the troops.  And the prevelance of the slogan has not prevented the growth of the anti-war movement.  In fact, it is precisely because the slogan allows the public to distinguish their opposition to some of the groups like ANSWER that the slogan has ENABLED anti-war sentiment to grow. 



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I see your point (0.00 / 0)
but I do not buy the underlying concept that this kind of sacrifice is honorable at all times and in all places. Sorry, I just think that, on the whole, the military has played a negative role in human societies - particularly since the end of WW2, but that may only be because that's when I have had first hand observation on my side.

Without getting into the issue of how "voluntary" the "volunteer" military is in reality, to the extent that any soldier has chosen to participate in the modern day US military, they bear responsibility for enabling the use, or misuse, of that military.  In a similar way, I am responsible for the occupation of Iraq because I choose to participate in the US economy, pay taxes, consume things, and was unable to muster enough political force to prevent what I considered a huge mistake, at best, or an imperial power-grab at worst.

Moreover, refering to the human individuals by such a sanitary word as "troop"  - which is rarely (never) used in its singular form, always plural - creates an image of of a faceless, homogeneous, mass.  Its dehumanizing is at at least two levels.  I generally try to refer to "soldiers" instead.

Instead of using the same language - symbolic, or rhetorical - as the opponents, I suggest changing the language.  This allows YOU to define it, not "cultural history", or others.

 

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Sure, There Were Sectarian Groups Like That (0.00 / 0)
There's a whole can of worms, if not a six-pack, to unpack here, and I certainly don't have the time to do it.  But I will tell a counter-story.

One of the most popular Bay Area bands below the top tier of Jefferson Airplane, Greatful Dead, Big Brother and The Holding Company, Quicksilver Messenger Service, etc., was a group called "Salvation Army Banned"--changed to "Salvation" after being sued (or at least threatened, I forget the exact details) by you-know-who.  And their signature song was "G.I. Joe (Come Back Home)," which never failed to galvanize any crowd I ever saw.  This was the overwhelmingly dominant attitude of the antiwar left in the Bay Area, which was pretty much the most leftist gneral population in the country at the time.  Around the same time, of course, Ron Dellums--a former Marine Sergeant--was elected to Congress from Berkeley.  So people as a whole there were pretty fucking clear about the difference between the government and the troops.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Damn ear worm (0.00 / 0)
"I walked 47 miles of barbed wire
wear a cobra snake for a necktie,
Come take a little walk with me and,
Tell me baby, Whooo-o do ya love".

Best 20 minute side this side of the Allman Brothers.


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Guiliani and 9-11 as an example (0.00 / 0)
The Giuliani campaign seems based largely on the dishonesty and illogically simplistic thinking Paul's been writing about in this series of posts.  Robert Greenwald has just come out with a new short film on the "radio" aspects of Rudy's failures as the 9-11 mayor.  It will hopefully help to build a narrative about Giuliani very different than the one that's existed since 9-11.  Its worth a look at:  http://therealrudy.o... 

Yeah, Guliani Is A Walking One-Man Teachable Moment (0.00 / 0)
And Greenwald definitely knows what he's doing about it.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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S. Rosenberg, Lakoff and Semiotics. (4.00 / 1)
Your articles are making me think about the concepts of "metaphorical thinking", context and the "holes in the frame". Also, we have the importance of the emotional or psychological impact, something that the right-wing has been carefully manipulating. As rational, analytical thinkers,  we often over-analyze things logically and don't give enough importance to the emotional, non-rational component.

Metaphor is very effective for evoking emotions.

Metaphorical thinking works very well with associational reasoning. It is like the puzzle piece that fits perfectly into the frame, which has been constructed by a whole host of direct and indirect experiences, repeated slogans and ideas, fears, and pre-experienced psychological commitments. You can also view this as an inverse puzzle piece, i.e., the hole in the framework that is filled precisely by a missing piece.

As you say, "Support the Troops" is a metaphor for tribalism (our team vs their team), militarism (military protects us), and fear of violence/injury. Even if the slogan doesn't specifically say anything overtly militaristic, tribal or violent, it evokes those images from the cultural context and all the other things that have been said about the war.

In the same way, anti-immigration has to be primarily a racist metaphor even if they don't always say racist words, and even if there are a few real reasons to be concerned about immigration, because only racism has the emotional and psychological impact to make immigration an angry, burning issue. Tancredo operates in the whitest, richest district in Colorado, the one LEAST affected by immigrants. The term Illegal Immigrant, evokes a series of associated tribal and racial constructions (these are intentional), which might only be noticeable in the context of the rest of the puzzle.

In other words, you can look at the puzzle piece or the context (the hole in the puzzle) to understand meaning, which is something the literary theorists (terrorists?) point out. Those damn semioticians.

One point about semiotics (a mode of cultural analysis that pays attention of symbols and metaphors). A set of symbols creates the metaphor that images the object, thing or event. Once the frame is in place, it only takes a very small handful of symbols to evoke it, that is for the individual to recognize what IT is, and why they should respond.

Also, missing symbols may be important to interpret the set of existing symbols.

Also, author and reader, or author's context vs reader's context, need to be considered.


Very True (0.00 / 0)
As a footnote, it's interesting to note that when accusations of racism are made, the defense is often mounted in very literalist terms, which is why it's so important to understand how the whole system of signs, metaphors and implicit messages works.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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