The White House needs to stay out of primaries

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Jun 02, 2010 at 22:41


According to a statement and an email released by Andrew Romanoff, the White House Jim Messina kinda, sorta, suggested that Romanoff pursue an administration job rather than challenge Senator Michael Bennet in the Colorado Democratic primary for Senate. Politico:

In his statement, Romanoff said that in September 2009, shortly after the news media first reported his plans to run for the Senate, he received a call from Messina. "Mr. Messina informed me that the White House would support Sen. Bennet. I informed Mr. Messina that I had made my decision to run," the statement said.

"Mr. Messina also suggested three positions that might be available to me were I not pursuing the Senate race. He added that he could not guarantee my appointment to any of these positions. At no time was I promised a job, nor did I request Mr. Messina's assistance in obtaining one," Romanoff said.

Later that day, Romanoff said he received an email from Mr. Messina containing descriptions of three positions. "I later left him a voicemail informing him that I would not change course," Romanoff said. "I have not spoken with Mr. Messina, nor have I discussed this matter with anyone else in the White House, since then."


I gotta say "ouch" for the White House on this one. It will now look like the White House made a regular business of suggesting administration positions to Democrats who were considering primary challenges to incumbent Democratic members of Congress.  It will look like that, because it was like that.

There are some caveats here.  For one, Romanoff was actively pursuing administration positions during much of 2009, so it is not like this was an entirely unsolicited suggestion from the White House:  Also, Romanoff himself says that he was not actually promised a job by the White House.  Further, the White House says that Democrats in Colorado were actively promoting him for administration positions.

Whether this will hurt the Obama administration is based on two factors.  First, is this a story that is getting enough play for a meaningful amount of voters to actually notice?  Second, do people actually care?

I am not as convinced as many professional commentators that this makes Obama look bad to his  supporters.  Other than political junkies, almost no one gives a shit about process stories.  Further, almost no political junkies are both Obama supporters and naïve enough to feel burned by transactional  politics like this.  I just don't see what part of the Obama coalition actually feels surprised and upset at Obama over this.

However, I am convinced that this is not helping Obama.  As I noted in the post below this, Obama's net approval rating dropped 3.5% in May, even though more jobs were created in May than in any month, like ever.  It seems possible, even likely, that stories about the White House trying to clear primary fields, and the BP leak, are wiping away any potential political gain for the improving employment situation.

The lesson for the White House here should be to stay out of primaries. These stories are costing them a lot of news cycles, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of dollars they sunk into Arlen Specter's campaign.  Further, these primary challenges are actually helpful to the administration's legislative agenda, as they do a lot more to prevent defections on big votes from Specter and Bennet than any backroom deal ever will.  If the White House had just let these campaigns play out, they would be a lot better off right now.

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An opportunity for progressives? (4.00 / 5)
Load up the Obama Admin. with progressives by threatening primary challenges of those Democratic party members the WH supports.

Volunteers?

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


"those Democratic party members the WH supports" (0.00 / 0)
That would be all incumbents, right?

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Not anymore (4.00 / 2)
they've got behind Sestak, and quickly at that.  Primaries aren't an either/or that forces the party to take a position and stick to it.  Effectively deployed primaries transform political agendas and, in aggregate, such fundamental challenges to power transform who gets to say what the agenda is.  

I'm a grad student living in NYC on 20K a year, and I'm prepared to give to Sestak (only $20, but it's more than I can afford).  Given the stakes in this election with the house supposedly in the balance, it seems that Sestak victory would make for a perfect coming out party for netroots, as in, people like Chris Matthews can no longer dismiss us as trivial nerdy ideologues.  


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The WH isn't going to listen (4.00 / 2)
to this message (despite its wisdom), and it has shown itself remarkable unwilling to base its strategies on these sorts of concerns.

What will change its behavior is when Democrats refuse to accept their efforts to intervene in primaries, especially when it has consistently supported the least progressive options available. (Obviously, the same can be said for the DSCC.)

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


The only thing that will change .. (4.00 / 6)
is when we consistently beat these assholes again and again in primary battles .. because at some point .. the people who give to the DSCC and DCCC will ask why they are wasting their money .. lets face it .. what does should do is further fire up the activist base ... it shows they are working like hell to stave off primary challenges ... they wouldn't go to this length if they weren't worried about the challengers ... meaning the challengers have a legit shot at winning .. the primary challenges are not quixotic  

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I don't want to take anything away from the (4.00 / 1)
importance of primaries, but they aren't the only tool we have. They are blunt, and they need to be supplemented with more subtle methods.  

Simply complaining loudly about this sort of thing, and putting pressure on members of Congress over it, are also effective - not as a substitute, but as an addition.  

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


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Yes, but (4.00 / 6)
The more subtle tools are really only effective if backed with the plausibility of successful primary challenges.  Politicians listen only to those who pose a potential threat to them.  

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Don't forget general elections (0.00 / 0)
Democrats rely on progressives thinking, I'll just vote for the shitty corporate centrist Democrat because s/he's better than the Republican.

Take away that margin of comfort from them and we'll have their attention.  For example, if Blanche Lincoln wins her primary I encourage all Arkansan progressives to vote for a liberal minor party candidate.


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Yeah, that worked fucking great in the aftermath of Gore. (0.00 / 0)


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Not our fault the Democratic establishment insists on bashing us over the head like we're children (0.00 / 0)
instead of treating us as adults with actual concerns and expectations.

If the Democrat is unsatisfactory, why should we have to vote for them?  We can argue forever about whether Gore should be considered unsatisfactory but the point is that the idea that we owe Democratic candidates (even the ones for President) our votes is profoundly undemocratic.  They owe us, not the other way around.


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You can talk about abstract notions all you want (0.00 / 0)
all I care about is changing their behaviour.  The 2000 election should give plenty of evidence as to what the effect that staying home on November 4th has.  

Primary their asses.  That's a trillion times more effective.  


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the other lesson is progressives need to win CO-Sen (4.00 / 7)
Progressives should take advantage of the 63 days between beating Lincoln on Tuesday and the Colorado senate primary.

Really, the battle should be waged if for no other reason than Jim Messina's Bennet punked 8,217 progressives out of $71,618.

We should stand up for DFA and PCCC against the public rogering that Bennet gave them.

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This would require progressives to unite behind Bennet's primary opponent (0.00 / 0)
and I'm assuming Andrew Romanoff is the only one.  Romanoff has been making some good signals but is he really trustworthy?  I think the liberal community needs to be persuaded that Romanoff really is better than Bennet before they get behind him en masse.

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for the WH to have (4.00 / 1)
stayed out of the PA primary, it would have had to decline Specter's offer to become a Democrat. Fine with me--they should have forced him to either lose the Rep primary or retire. But having accepted him into the caucus, they were committed to attempting to clear the field for him. 2-3 months after inauguration, it's not difficult to imagine that both parties figured it wouldn't take more than a couple phone calls.

As for the CO primary, and any others: I'm not really sure why the leader of the party should stay out of party politics. At least not as a rule. If you're saying that they're just bad at it, they have a wicked tin ear, then I agree. But an effort to clear the field for 'your' candidate, so he or she can conserve cash, avoid unforced errors, and focus on the opposing party seems to me to be a good decision, in most instances.

That said, it's also clear to me that ALL of this should have been handled by the DSCC, and then by the WH Office of Political Affairs. Only if you have a taker, who wants to seal the deal with a VIP, do you put Messina or Rahm or Big Dog on the line.


Having Sestak come in on this wave (4.00 / 5)
of beating Specter probably makes him more likely to beat Toomey than otherwise.  Similarly, Toomey has gotten almost no media play for months.  

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Really? .. (4.00 / 2)
But an effort to clear the field for 'your' candidate, so he or she can conserve cash, avoid unforced errors, and focus on the opposing party seems to me to be a good decision, in most instances.

Primaries can only help.  Bennet was never elected.  He was appointed.  So why should he get a free pass from Democrats?  He shouldn't.  Does a committed Democrat go to work high up in the Philip Anschutz organization?  No!


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Specter was begging for a primary. (4.00 / 6)
If he didn't want a primary opponent, he should have started acting like a Democrat when he joined the party. He assumed he wouldn't have to worry about a primary, so he shot out of the starting gate with a lot of right wing posturing designed to deflect the easily predicted Republican "flip flop" attacks in the general election. A credible primary challenge sure did turn him into a real Democrat. Win win for progressives on this one. Way to go Sestak! Suck it, Obama and Dem establishment!

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The Obama administration probably thought it was the best deal to accept Specter (0.00 / 0)
Get his vote for at least a year and eight/nine months.  If they'd declined and Specter stayed a Republican, he wouldn't have voted with Democrats that whole time.

I understand why they accepted that deal.  On the other hand, I don't think Presidents should ever be afraid to publicly back a challenger to an incumbent that already consistently opposes and votes against them (i.e. Ben Nelson; I can't think of any other incumbent Democrat that really fits that description - not even Blanche Lincoln).


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Since POTUS and party chief are one in the same (0.00 / 0)
good luck with getting the White House to stay out of primaries, regardless of which party holds power.  What you're suggesting is actually somewhat radical in its implications for the structure of US political parties.

What you say also creates an equivalence that I don't think you intend: you come off as suggesting that the political costs as measured by a generic national popularity poll for endorsing failed candidates in primaries are the same as the failure to assert some measure of control over the situation in the Gulf.  

I tend to think that the latter, correctly, is far more relevant to how people understand the Obama administration.  Over six weeks have passed, and we still don't have any effective mechanism to verify the information that comes from BP.  And it's only within the last couple days that the US government has said it won't hold joint press conferences with BP.  

This represents an abdication of responsibility by the President and is of a piece with the ideological underpinnings of the neoliberal approach to "reform" more generally.    


Obama Really Does Seem Terrible At This Stuff (4.00 / 4)
even (or especially) with Rahm to help him get it done. For all that Chicago reputation, the results are just plain amature night.

What you don't discuss, Chris, is the GOP attempt to turn this rather routine, albeit inept, hackery into a scandal.  Digby's had quite a bit to say about this aspect, and it should be a concern, given the record of GOP attacks on Clinton.  (I still have absolutely no idea what Travelgate was supposed to be about.  Does anyone else know?  It was always reported like, well, of course it's obvious why this is so scandalous, but it was like nobody ever told me the password.)

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


"with Rahm to help him get it done" (4.00 / 5)
I'll go with "especially." Rahm thought NAFTA was a big political winner for Dems. He sucks. His motivation is to position Dems for a better seat on the corporate gravy train. Rahm's strategery seems to be guided by what's bad for the party rather than what's good for it. Sadly, the fact that he was hired by Obama in the first place, that he was ever considered as having a realistic shot at Speaker, and that nobody on the Dem side is trying to run him out of the party, all indicate that his thinking is emblematic of the party establishment as a whole rather than an anomaly. This is why they should leave the primaries to the grass roots. Suckiness is simply built into their DNA. It's part of "the system." Republicans get to be poltically effective hard asses. Dems get to suck. Everyone knows their role and is rewarded by fitting the mold and has their noses rubbed in shit when they mess up the carpet.

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Travelgate (4.00 / 3)
The White House had a travel office charged with booking commercial travel.  It was staffed with political hacks (all Republican leftovers from George H.W. Bush) making six figure incomes.  Clinton eliminated the travel office and replaced it with an Arkansas travel agency at considerable savings.  A large number of Republicans who were grossly over paid were out on the street.  Oh, the evil of it to the MSM and GOP hacks. (IIRC one of the major tasks of the Travel Office was booking commercial travel space for reporters for Presidential tripsso there was probably cronyism going on).

Travelgate was one of the most hypocritical acts of the Republicans as they consistently replaced much lower paid government staff who were competent and politically unconnected with politically connected profiteers who didn't know their a** from their elbow with disastrous results (see FEMA).


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David (0.00 / 0)
Sorry, I understood all that.  What I didn't understand was what I was supposed to be outraged about.  They usually pound away on that constantly.  But in this case, they just seemed to be pounding away at thin air.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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The jobs (0.00 / 0)
After 12 years, Republicans felt entitled to over paid political jobs.  The NY Times ran an article in which a GOP couple was bemoaning the loss of their $130 K jobs (each) despite the fact that neither had anything beyond a bachelor's degree and neither had any other work experience than Reagan-Bush.  They were each around 30 and were probably paid about twice what a market salary would pay.

The Times was sympathetic to the GOP hacks.  More proof that they are an establishment paper; not a Democratic paper and certainly not a liberal paper.

The Travelgate crew and the GOP army of hacks felt entitled to these jobs at the same time Reagan slashed the disabled and the air traffic controllers.  Hypocrites crying real tears.


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... (4.00 / 5)
People don't give a damn about this.  It's expected of politicians and nearly everyone knows that.

His approval rating dropped for one reason only... the oil spill and the fact it hasn't been stopped and the administration hasn't done enough.   The army corps of engineers should have been out there day 1 trying to help fix this or at least build barriers to prevent it coming ashore.   They screwed up and it has cost them.    


Whether or not gov't effort would have made a difference (4.00 / 6)
the administration has failed conspicuously to put the mechanisms in place that would allow it to claim what measure of control over the situation would be possible given the circumstances.  

We still don't have any ability to verify the info coming from BP.  We still don't have the ability to stop BP from deploying dispersants that the gov't ostensibly forbids.  

People voted for Obama because of the credibility that the Democratic party has earned over many decades for understanding the positive role that the federal government can and should play in a time of profound crisis.  The disaster in the Gulf has undermined both this credibility and popular support for the administration.

Indeed, the BP disaster is a metaphor for neoliberalism - allowing criminals to police themselves.  


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Hindsight 20/20, etc (0.00 / 0)
Or they could've taken ownership of it immediately and we still wouldn't have plugged the leak and would be taking all the blame for it rather than just some of it.

In general I agree with you, but no way to know if that would've been better or worse... It's obviously a pretty big engineering issue that isn't easily solved... no guarantee that the government immediately taking ownership of it would've solved anything.


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"No way of knowing" is exactly the point (4.00 / 2)
and what can we know and what good is information if it isn't useful for whatever scenario emerges going forward?  

We've let BP control the info coming out of this, and, as a result, we don't have verifiable, testable, predictive data, you know, the stuff that people depend on to do the science it will take to solve this problem.  It baffles me that people seem to think so little of this.

That we have no way of knowing is all the more reason to get some type of meaningful supervision over this and immediately.  This is the opposite of pragmatism from an administration that prides itself on using the word to describe itself but has very little inkling of what it really means.


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The less we know, the less their liability. (4.00 / 1)
It is just stupid to assume that BP's goals coincide with the public good. The administration should have taken a strong adversarial stance with BP from day one and used every legal option available to intimidate BP into doing everything possible to minimize the damage from this. Obama really looks like a hapless doofus on this. BP has played him and thereby screwed the rest of us, especially those in the gulf region, not to mention our planet.

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This is sort of "No shit"... (4.00 / 3)
But for whatever reason the SOP of both parties (well, the party establishments) is to protect incumbency at all costs.  This, especially this year, makes absolutely no sense, but for some reason they don't really understand that, or still think that incumbency is really worth that much more in the General Election even though it's a tough year for incumbents (or in the case of Specter, basically just fulfilling promises they made in order to get him to switch parties.)

Actually, we really got the best of both worlds with Specter as he basically became a nearly 100% voting Dem and he still lost his primary to a preferable Dem... If the Obama admin hadn't promised to clear the field for him it's probably unlikely we would've gotten HCR, for instance (or perhaps broken filibusters on other things that came up pre-Scott Brown).

But, I don't really see any benefit for them to do this in non-party switch situations.  It'd be nice if they just said something to the effect of "We support Bennett, but other than that we're staying out of CO's business" or (obviously) even better "We're staying out of CO's business."  I don't know why it's so difficult for them.


The ability to "clear the field" for a candidate of whichever party's choice (4.00 / 1)
has considerable appeal to corporate contributors.  That's quite literally the payoff. Obama can point to the tea party, contrast it with health care reform and say to big money contributors, "which outcome would you prefer?"

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Not when it comes to right-wing hacks like ... (0.00 / 0)
Blanche Lincoln

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Win some-lose some: see NY, Gillibrand (0.00 / 0)


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Chris, you're being obtuse (4.00 / 2)
Obama's ratings dropped because of the oil spill. I don't think its very hard to figure out.

The point of the article is not why Obama's poll dropped (4.00 / 1)
but that his efforts to help re-elect primaried dems is a kiss of death.  

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Full disclosure should be made (4.00 / 2)
that Open Left is partially funded by SEIU and SEIU is strongly backing Bennet. That said, politically the worst thing that can happen to Obama is he loses his public image as a fairly straight shooter. It clashes with his campaign promise to run a more ethical administration and could put his prospects for 2012 in real jeopardy. He doesn't need to be making these kinds of deals, and he shouldn't.

Poor value (0.00 / 0)
Obama has not differentiated between friend and foe. Many White Houses would have tired of Blanche Lincoln's constant flip flops, political extortions and betrayals and led the charge against her rather than supported her.  Bennet might have been neutral but Specter would probably been a supported candidate as the WH got something from the switch.

The Tea Party has been trying to recall Robert Menendez here in NJ.  If it clears the legal challenges (somewhat unlikely) and gets the signatures (over 1 million), I would expect weak and ineffective Obama support for a reliable vote.  After all, Menendez is a liberal and votes that way.  That is the whole case for recall.


Ugh (0.00 / 0)
How screwed up am I that last night I had a dream that I was at a cocktail function with President Obama and all I was asking him why he supported Blanche Lincoln over Bill Halter?

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