McChrystal situation is about military vs. civilian control of Afghanistan policy

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Jun 22, 2010 at 15:38


David Sirota reminds us of how General McChrystal used the willingness of military and government elites to turn control of national security over to the military forced Obama's hand on the troop build-up in Afghanistan:

The U.S. Commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, says he wants more troops. His new memo calling for a bigger Afghanistan deployment prompted President Obama to begin carefully considering different ways forward - and Washington to hammer the White House for entertaining any alternative to McChrystal's request.

Republicans lambasted Obama for letting "political motivations...override the needs of our commanders," as Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., said. Likewise, the Washington Post insisted that Obama's failure to promptly back McChrystal's surge proposal could "dishonor" America, while the New York Times said no matter what the president wants, "It will be very hard to say no to General McChrystal."

The coordinated assault sharpens that question about who "the deciders" should be - elected officials or the military?

Before Obama had made his decision on whether to escalate in Afghanistan, McChrystal made it known that he wanted an escalation.  This put Obama in a difficult political position, given that our national media seems to think the military should decide whether, when, where and for how long we send troops overseas.  It also probably didn't help that members of Obama's cabinet seems to share that view

"Hillary had Stan's back during the strategic review," says an adviser. "She said 'If Stan wants it, give him what he needs."

I don't mean to avoid casting any blame on Obama for the escalation, as though he did it unwillingly in the face of insurmountable public pressure to listen to McChrystal.  He didn't.

However, by stating his policy preference in public and playing off elite deference to the military on this area of foreign policy, McChrystal set a very dangerous precedent for any possible future time when a President may have different views on troop deployments than the top military commanders.  If Obama had not wanted to escalate, McChrystal's public statements would have put Obama in an extremely difficult political position.  This poses a threat to civilian governance of the military in America.

It is also worth noting that McChrystal may have even violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice.  Artical 88 states:

"Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."

According to Rolling Stone, McChrystal was pretty contemptuous of Vice-President Joe Biden:

McChrystal wonders aloud what Biden question he might get today, and how he should respond "I never know what's going to pop out until I'm up there, that's the problem," he says. Then, unable to help themselves, he and his staff imagine the general dismissing the vice president with a good one-liner.

"Are you asking about Vice President Biden?" McChrystal says with a laugh. "Who's that?"

If McChrystal were to continue on as the commander of US forces in Afghanistan, it would continue to call into question civilian governance of the military in America. The military does not dictate foreign policy, and it is subordinate either the Executive or Legislative branches of government. Or, at least it should be those things.  But, if Obama were to allow McChrystal to stay on, it is probably about time to start using terms like Secretary Obama and President McChrystal..

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Civilians lost control of the military in 1951 (4.00 / 1)
when Truman's political career was ended after he stood up to MacArthur and got slammed by the public for it. From then on only Republicans were able to exert civilian control over the military and that was almost always in favor of war.

If Obama fires McChrystal tomorrow, he's going to get reamed for it, but it will be the right thing.

I think he gets canned, or he survives after a lot of groveling. Either way, he'll become the new teabagger hero.


It won't be McChrystal (0.00 / 0)
doing the groveling behind closed doors. Obama wants to "put points on the board" and "win" in Afghanistan, and that means President McChrystal is firmly in the driver's seat.

Montani semper liberi

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Spot on, Chris. (4.00 / 1)
Looks like Obama is going to play some more eleventy-dimensional chess. McC gets off the hook with some "stern words." Ahem.

The thought occurs to me that if McC's behavior is the result of:

1) Indiscipline: then he needs to be sacked. There's nothing more dangerous than an undisciplined general, eh?

2) Bad judgment: Still needs to be retired or reassigned to something safer, like latrine duty.

3) Is merely the messenger: Then he gets style points for "putting it out there," humiliating the WH and letting everyone know who's really in charge. He and Gates probably had drinks in Gates' office!

Given that Number 3 seems to be the winner, we can all now safely disregard anything Barack Obama has to say about anything involving the military. He's not the one in charge.

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


Says who? (0.00 / 0)
Looks like Obama is going to play some more eleventy-dimensional chess. McC gets off the hook with some "stern words."

The conventional wisdom is that he's getting canned.  


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Reuters thus far. But I may have jumped the gun. (0.00 / 0)
Obama to urge Afghan War team to put aside egos (stern stuff, eh?):

http://www.reuters.com/article...

June 22 (Reuters) - In a meeting with his Afghan war team on Wednesday, U.S. President Barack Obama will urge them to put aside disagreements, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said on Tuesday.

"I'm sure that the president will say tomorrow that it is time for everybody to put aside their petty disagreements, put aside their egos and get to work," Gibbs said.

So the Press Secretary is playing it down. If you're going to sack someone, it doesn't matter what they do with their egos, eh? They can take them into retirement!

Ah, but I guess the big meeting isn't until Wednesday, so maybe I'm jumping the gun a bit. Still, if this was just a mistake on McC's part and he has an once of honor in him, he should resign.

AP says Gibbs is leaving the possibility of firing on the table.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

He'll be expected to explain his comments to the president and Pentagon officials who, as Gibbs put it, want "to see what in the world he was thinking." The presidential spokesman said Obama acknowledged McChrystal's apology and believed he deserved a chance to explain himself.

However, military leaders rarely challenge their commander in chief publicly and when they do, consequences tend to go beyond a scolding. And Gibbs left little doubt that a firing was probably in the offing. "Our efforts in Afghanistan are bigger than one person," he told reporters several times.

No actual quote from the Press Secretary though. That's odd.

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly." -Woody Allen, My Speech to the Graduates


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If he keeps his job (4.00 / 3)
it will only further confirm the claim of Sy Hersh (and others) that the military dominates Obama.

At this point [Obama's] in real trouble. Because the military are dominating him on the important issues of the world: Iraq, Iran, Afghan and Pakistan. And he's following the policies of Bush and Cheney almost to a fare-thee-well. He talks differently. And he's much brighter, he's much more of the world. So one only hopes he has a game plan that will include doing something, but he's in real trouble, in terms of - he's in real trouble.

In Iraq I don't have to tell anybody the prospects - in the American press they never mention Moqtada Sadr, but look out. He's going to be the kingmaker of that country. He's now studying in Iran. And he's going to be the next ayatollah-to-be. I don't know how he'll work it out with Sistani. But he's going to be the force, the Shia. And so this is going to be very complicated for us because the two men we talk about, Allawi and Maliki, have about as much to do with the average Iraqi - they're both ex-pats. Allawi, let's see, he was certainly an American agent and a British agent, the MI-6, the CIA, the Jordanians ran him probably for Mossad. I'm not telling you anything that is not a fact. So who knows?

So Iraq is very problematical. There's going to be much more violence. Whether it's civil war or not it's going to be much more violence.

He's never going to be win, whatever that means, in Afghanistan. The only solution in Afghanistan is a settlement with the Taliban. And the only person to settle with is Mullah Omar, and he's become another Hitler to the American public. So how we're going to do that and survive politically?

And the same in Pakistan. He's got the wrong policy there. So it is - and again for Obama, Iran's not resolved, in terms of, Iranians have come out of this crisis stronger than ever. We don't want to believe that.

Obama might think that he'll "lose" the generals if he sacks him, but their disrespect for him is clear, and it will only grow if takes abuse like this.



One more thing.... (0.00 / 0)
The Rolling Stone piece is a pretty good takedown of MaChrystal (his involvement in torture in Iraq and the Tillman cover-up) and of the horrific effort in Afghanistan.

Taibbi, the Dickenson piece on the oil spill, now this...RS is becoming relevant again.  


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So Much For Comparing Obama To JFK (0.00 / 0)
I always thought it was absurd to compare Obama to a truly transformational figure like FDR.  It was obvious from the beginning of his campaign for President that he had no intention of anything like that.  But I did think he could be somewhat like JFK, helping to inspire forces that would take things much farther than he himself would go.  That's not looking very likely anymore.

But another aspect of JFK is also missing--as these events so clearly show: and that's his willingness to stand up to military stupidity.  Which is not to say that JFK was totally genius and immune to his own forms of folly.  He wasn't.  But he wasn't intimidated by the likes of Curtis LeMay.  Or anyone else in uniform.

More and more, it looks like Grover Cleveland is best comparison we've got left.  And we didn't have an MIC around back then.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Resigned (0.00 / 0)
According to CNN's twitter link

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Offered to resign (4.00 / 2)
Not the same thing.  Not even close, unfortunately.  McChrystal just took the high ground.  Almost as if he was a trained military dude or something.

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McChrystal really has no choice except to offer his resignation (4.00 / 1)
He obviously screwed up royally. Someone should send him a "pooched" t-shirt, or at the very least a coffee mug.

McChrystal's offer will put the onus on Obama, of course.  


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He didn't screw up. (0.00 / 0)
He did what he meant to do, he communicated what he wanted to communicate.

And his offer to resign is nothing more than a bluff, he knows Obama won't, can't, accept it, because he has put himself into a box on Afghanistan.

When you give in to guys like this you only embolden them, and Obama is making a big, big mistake.

Montani semper liberi


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I always just assumed that McChrystal's.... (0.00 / 0)
...early statement about wanting an escalation with just part of Obama's plan.  When he was made to look like he was being pressured it was just what he wanted so that he had someone else to point the finger at when he escalated (as he always planned to do).

Remember....Obama is a shrew masterful politician and they always end up doing exactly what they want....American citizens be damned.


i believe (0.00 / 0)
Mcchrystal gets offered to retire with full benefits and military honors and no court martial in exchange for his silence and to just walk away.  

If he is fired, he will be on every news outlet in the world countering the administrations policy and tactics in the war.  this would not be good.


Personally I'd like McChrystal to be fired by Biden. And I'd love the tape. (0.00 / 0)
There is in the annals of our history good footage, shortly after Ali stopped being Clay, he was being mocked by a fighter, Terrel about it. Below we have the eighth round when a near-to-triumphant Ali stands. without any defense, and defiantly asks Terrel several times, who is badly beaten, "Whats My Name?" Clear as day. At about 4:36.
The amazing Joe Louis is ring side, and lets the public know the three word question.




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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


Nothing really new (0.00 / 0)
Before Obama had made his decision on whether to escalate in Afghanistan, McChrystal made it known that he wanted an escalation.  This put Obama in a difficult political position, given that our national media seems to think the military should decide whether, when, where and for how long we send troops overseas.

This is exactly what Westmoreland did to LBJ back in 1965. It placed LBJ in the position where he had to expand the troop level in Vietnam or the conservatives (then including Southern Democrats) would have shut down his domestic proposals for the next four years.

Was getting Medicare and the Civil Rights Act passed worth the loss of about half the lives lost in Vietnam? Hell of a choice, but I tend to come down with a weak "Yes it was worth it."

This American political dynamic does not seem to have changed since at least as far back as when the Republicans started screaming "Who lost China?" and pointing at the Democrat-du-jour.  


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