Memo to Chris Dodd: We already have a unicameral legislature

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 17:00


Before he leaves the Senate, Chris Dodd is waging a rearguard effort to try and prevent Democrats from changing the cloture vote threshold next year.  Ryan Grim:

Chris Dodd gathered with the Democratic Senate freshman class on Tuesday night at a dinner organized by Mark Warner to persuade them to back off their push to change Senate rules when the chamber returns in January, the first opportunity there will be to do so.

Dodd, who is giving up his Connecticut Senate seat following a 36-year congressional career, argued that those who have yet to serve in the minority should be careful tampering with the rules.

First, if Dodd is making speeches in favor of keeping the cloture vote threshold at 60, that shows there is a lot of momentum for lowering the threshold.  Second, his argument in favor of keeping the threshold at 60 is nonsensical:

"I made a case last night to about ten freshman senators, you know, you want to turn this into a unicameral body? What's the point of having a Senate? If the vote margins are the same as in the House, you might as well close the doors," Dodd told reporters in the Capitol.

Ridiculous.  Just nonsense.  You don't need different vote thresholds to have a bicameral system.  Consider:

  1. 36 states have bicameral legislatures where no filibuster is allowed.  Would Senator Dodd claim those 36 states do not actually have a bicameral system?

  2. The 60-vote threshold is not in the Constitution.  It just isn't.  That was never a requirement for a bicameral legislature.

  3. If anything, the 60-vote threshold has created a unicameral system where the Senate has rendered the House irrelevant.  Getting rid of the 60-vote threshold would give the two legislative bodies more equitable power.
Frustrating as argument like Dodd's are, expect a lot more of it over the next five months.  Also, expect more articles, such as the one in The Hill last week, where a few Democratic Senators express opposition to lowering the threshold, and thus effort is thus declared DOA.

We are going to have to work to change the narrative on this fight.  If, for example, we could get four of five Democratic Senators to favor lowering the cloture threshold even if Republicans controlled the Senate and the White House, then perhaps the narrative would become about when the threshold would be lowered, and not if.  Also, if we do a better job focusing on the wider range of proposed rule changes--such as making unanimous consent non-debatable, requiring the filibuster to be a real talkathon where Senators have to stay on the floor (as Senator Lautenberg has proposed), or switching the burden of the cloture threshold on the opposition (for example, 45 votes to continue a filibuster, rather than 60 to break it, as Senator Bennet has proposed)-then the interest and momentum for reform could increase as people debate a wider range of possible reforms.

Senate rules are not going to stay the same forever.  The rules have changed in the past, and will change again in the future.  The question is not if the rules will change, but rather when and how.

Chris Bowers :: Memo to Chris Dodd: We already have a unicameral legislature

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I say keep the filibuster (4.00 / 1)
and let a real vote not happen until cloture is achieved.  I just say let the cloture vote be determined by a majority vote.

Educate, Agitate, Organize, Mobilize, Act!


Frustrating (4.00 / 2)
1. The 60 vote threshold has stymied and continues to stymie progressive legislation.
2. The 60 vote threshold does not stymie and will not stymie regressive legislation, as Bowers has persuasively argued.
3. There is no law or constitutional requirement for a 60 vote threshold as everyone knows it is simply an agreement of convenience among senators.
4. Whatever 'comity' and cooperation across the aisle might mean in the abstract or in the past it is not to be seen in the US Senate today despite the existence of the 60-vote threshold.
5. Everyone in and out of Washington knows 1-4 are true.

Connect the dots.

Did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts? Hot ashes for trees? Hot air for a cool breeze? And cold comfort for change?


"might as well close the doors" (4.00 / 7)
I know Dodd's audience is fellow senators, but boy does this whole premise fall flat on outsider ears.  We should be so lucky as to see the Senate disbanded and the House made the unicameral legislative component of the United States Congress.


quit the Senate, go totally tone-deaf (4.00 / 1)
™Evan Bayh

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CHRIS! You have to read Robert Reich today! (4.00 / 3)
Here: http://robertreich.org/post/90...

He starts with this:

The Enthusiasm Gap and You

Wednesday, August 4, 2010

A friend whom I'll call David raised a ton of money for Democrats in 2008 and now tells me they can go to hell. He's furious about the no-strings bailout of Wall Street, the absence of a public option in health reform, financial reform that doesn't cap the size of banks or reinstate the Glass-Steagall wall between investment and commercial banking, and a stimulus that was too small to do much good but big enough to give Republicans a campaign issue. He's also upset about tens of thousands of additional troops being sent to Afghanistan, a watered-down cap-and-trade bill that's going nowhere, and no Employee Free Choice Act. David won't raise a penny this fall and doubts he'll even vote. "I busted my chops getting them elected, and they caved," he fumes. "They're all lily-livered wimps, and Obama has the backbone of a worm."

But, he goes on to end with this:

With the election of Barack Obama, many on the left found comfort in the belief that a single man could make transformative change without powerful tailwinds behind him. But that was a pipe dream. No person can do it alone.

I can understand your disillusionment with a president and representatives that seem to bend to the prevailing winds from the right. But if you and David and other progressives wallow in your cynicism we'll be in much bigger trouble as a nation than we are now.

Here's what I learned during my years in Washington: Nothing good happens there unless Americans outside Washington are sufficiently mobilized, energized, and organized to make sure it gets done.

Be angry, but channel your anger toward constructive change. This fall, work for the reelection of politicians, or for candidates to replace them, who support a genuinely progressive agenda. And lend your hand to the creation and continued sustenance of a powerful progressive movement in America.

You've got to read what's in between!

They only call it class war when we fight back.


We don't have a bicameral democratic congress (4.00 / 5)
We have a democratic house (which is itself less democratic than it could and should be due to gerrymandering), and an undemocratic House of Lords, a relic of the compromise struck at the constitutional convention with delegates from smaller states who insisted on having an equal but disproportionate vote as bigger states in the upper house.

In a way, the senate is permanent institutionalized gerrymandering. At least, by getting rid of the filibuster, lowering its threshold, or making it much harder to invoke, we can make the senate at least somewhat more democratic. I just have to laugh every time some asshat senator pontificates fatuously and unctuously about the "will of the people", as if most senators gave a flying fuck about the actual will of the people.

As if the senate itself represents the will of the people. Yeah, the rich and powerful people.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


Apply pressure (4.00 / 1)
Progressive groups (Move On, DFA, etc.) need to unite their members behind a simple proposition: not a penny for any Senator who doesn't vote to kill the 60-vote threashold (ideally in favor of a simple majority). Not only that, but any Democratic Senator who votes to keep the current rule should expect a well-funded primary challenge. This is the only thing that will make the Diane Feinstein's of the world take notice.

Progressives must unite behind this cause since without this change, nothing else we want (climate change legislation, improvements in the health care plan, effective counter-measures to Citizens United, etc. etc. etc.) will ever happen.


It's a clown show (4.00 / 6)
Atrios:

longtime senators truly believe they work in the greatest institution in the known universe. the rest of us think it's a clown show


Self-refuting Christine O'Donnell is proof monkeys are still evolving into humans

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