No, Glenn, you white conservatives really WEREN'T the civil rights movement---with numbers

by: Paul Rosenberg

Mon Aug 30, 2010 at 09:00


From Media Matters:

Beck says his 8-28 rally will "reclaim the civil rights movement." On the May 26 edition of his radio show, Beck claimed that the civil rights movement "has been so distorted and so turned upside down.  It is -- it's an abomination what has happened." He said that his rally would "be an iconic event" and that "this is a moment, quite honestly, that I think we reclaim the civil rights movement." Beck also stated that though, at the rally, "we're not going to talk about the issues of illegal immigration or anything that's happening in Washington," the attendees of the rally "will reclaim the civil rights moment. We will take that movement, because we were the people that did it in the first place.

Well, not exactly. In fact, you guys were on the other side.  And not just way long time ago.  You've always been there and you still are.  I'll have more words on this later.  But I want to start off the day with cold hard numbers showing quite clearly the persistence of conservative opposition to the civil rights movement.  To do so, I'm going to depend on the most reliable indicator of conservatism on the group level, and that is opposition to domestic spending.  To establish that point--as well as its connection to hostility to civil rights--I'll need to provide some background data first.

Operational Conservatism & Racial Animus

It's long been established that the core of conservatism in the US is opposition to social spending, aka "operational" or "pragmatic" conservatism--and that this is correlated to opposition to black political power.  These were two of many important findings in Lloyd Free and Hadley Cantril's  landmark 1967 book, The Political Beliefs of Americans: A Study of Public Opinion, based on surveys done by Gallup in 1964.  I wrote about this back in early 2006 at my old blog, Patterns that Connect, in a post, "Conservatism As Identity Politics--Pt2: Hard Core Data ". (It was cross-posted at MyDD, but the charts are no longer there).  Free and Cantril used three measures of libgeral/conservative ideology--self-identification, a set of questions devoted to ideology as they understood, and a set of five questions dealing with federal aid to education, Medicare, the Federal housing program, the urban renewal program, and the government's responsibility to do away with poverty.

The ideological spectrum was based on the following (from the book):

   Ideological Spectrum (Statements presented with respondents asked to agree or disagree):

      1. The Federal Government is interfering too much in state and local matters.
      2. The government has gone too far in regulating business and interfering with the free enterprise system.
      3. Social problems here in this country could be solved more effectively if the government would only keep its hands off and let people in local communities handle their own problems in their own ways.
      4. Generally speaking, any able-bodied person who really wants to work in this country can find a job and earn a living.
      5. We should rely more in individual initiative and ability and not so much on governmental welfare programs.

This scale over-estimated ideological conservatives (for one thing, all the conservative answers were "yes" and we now know that other things being equal, people will answer "yes" rather than "no"), but there's little doubt that it did reflect something real, even if exaggerated: plenty of people with conservative sentiments none-the-less support the welfare state.  This was neatly shown by comparing all three specturms:

And further clarified by this graphic comparison of the ideological and operational spectrums, which shows that almost all ideological liberals are operational liberals, while even a substantial plurality of ideological conservatives are operational liberals:

Paul Rosenberg :: No, Glenn, you white conservatives really WEREN'T the civil rights movement---with numbers

It's precisely because there are so few operational conservatives--just 14%--that operational conservatism should be considered the core of conservatism.  These are the people who don't just express a broad philosophy of libertarianism and self-reliance, they reject specific spending proposals that most other conservatives support--and in many cases would vote to increase.  They are the hard-core libertarians, and the evidence clearly shows that they are less supportive of civil rights, not moreso, as Beck and others--such as Rand Paul--like to claim.

Free and Cantril also found that four political groups (all can be considered outgroups from the WASP prespective) were widely regarded as having too much power:

And that this perception notably increased the more operationally conservative people were:

As I said in that diary:

For every group but Jews, the percentage saying they have too much influence more than doubles between operational liberals and operational conservatives. For blacks and labor unions, the percentage saying they have too much influence nearly triples. And remember, operational liberals represent just under 2/3 of the entire population. A majority of them (58%) are either ideological conservatives (22%) or moderates (36%). Clearly, the operational conservatives see these four outgroups in much more negative terms than the majority of Americans do. This is a powerful indication that they see these groups as "others" who threaten them.

I also noted how objectively powerless blacks were at the time:

At the time this survey was taken, blacks were widely disenfranchised throughout the South, had barely any representation in Congress, and no leadership of any large city. The notion that they had too much influence could not be equated with any objective criteria-it was a measure of prejudice, nothing more. The case is less extreme for the other out-groups, but the opposition to them having more influence was much more clear-cut. Yet, none represented a truly dominant power in American life. At best, they stood up to defend their spheres of interest, winning some, losing some.

Conservative's Attitudes Towards Segregation/Integration--Evidence from the GSS

Free and Cantril's data came from 1964.  The General Social Survey (GSS) dates from 1972.  The most virulent racist atttiudes were already starting to fade when it was instroduced.  Yet, it's still possible to see a very clear and sharp increase in hostility toward blacks as one moves to the conservative end of the operational specrtum.  By necessity, I use a different set of spending issues, but interestingly, over a long period of time the number favoring reducing a majority of spending items is about 16%--nearly identical to the 14% operational conservatives found by Free and Cantril--indicating that the two measures are at least roughly compatible.  (The numbers below differ from this figure, primarily because sub-samples that also answered other questions produce some variation.)

I choose three GSS questions related to race as most indicative of what we wish to measure: support for the civil rights movement.  Two questions probe support for housing integration--either direct support/opposition or support/opposition for an open-housing law.  The third question asks about blacks pushing for integration in general.  In all three cases, we find that those who are most conservative are most opposed to the civil rights movemen.  Compared to those who are most operationally liberal, the differences are dramatically striking.  I did two measures for each question--one covering the entire time period, and one limited to the 1970s, when these issues were the most contentious, and we are closest to the period presumably referred to when Beck claims that white conservatives were the original core of the civil rights movement.

First we look at the question of whether whites can segregate themselves by excluding blacks. [Exact question form: "Here are some opinions other people have expressed in connection with (negro/black)-white relations. Do you agree or disagree with each statement: b. White people have a right to keep (negroes/blacks/African-Americans) out of their neighborhoods if they want to, and (negroes/blacks/African-Americans) should respect that right."]

As can be seen, less than 6% of those who strongly agree that whites can segregate think that we're sending too little on 4-6 items, while more than a third (34.5%) think that we're spending too much on one or more items (These are net measures, so "too much" on 2 and "too little" on 1 equals a net of "too much" on 1.)

In contrast, those who strongly oppose the idea that whites can discriminate are stronly supportive of domestic spending.  Almost 1/4 (24.1%) think we're spending too little on at least 4 items, while only just over 1/6 (17.5% ) think we're spendign "too little".  The spending ratios in bold on the last two lines
are particularly telling:  Those who strongly oppose the right of whites to segregate are four times more likely to think we're spending too little on 4 or more items, compared to those who strongly support the right of whites to segregate.

OTOH, those who strongly support the right of whites to segregate are almost twice as likely to think we're spending too much on at least one item, net, compared to those who strongly oppose the right of whites to segregate.

Here's the same data, presented graphically:

Looking at the longer time-span, we see the same general pattern.  The first ratio declines, but is still almost 3-1, while the second ratio increases almost 2 1/2-1.

Again, the same data, presented graphically:


Next, we look at how people would vote on an open housing law.  [Exct question form: "Suppose there is a community-wide vote on the general housing issue. There are two possible laws to vote on: a. One law says that a homeowner can decide for himself whom to sell his house to, even if he prefers not to sell to(negroes/blacks/African-Americans). b. The second law says that a homeowner cannot refuse to sell to someone because of their race or color. Which law would you vote for?"]

We see the same pattern here.  Those who opposed discrimination in the 1970s were more than twice as likely (2.19) to think we're spending too little on 4 items or more than those who say the "owner decides." On the other hand, those who said "owner decides" were more than twice as likely (2.24) to say that we're spending too much.  This is not an abstract question.  This very issue was on the ballot in 1964 in California as "Proposition 14," a ballot measure to overturn the state's fair housing law. Not only did it carry by 2-1, it was an important grassroots mobilization device to help build infrastructure for Ronald Reagan's successful run for governor two years later. Any attempt to paint these attitudes as "secondary" to the civil rights strugggle not only contradicts what those involved in the struggle had to say. It also contradicts history.

Here's what it looks like in chart form:

The ratios change only very slightly over the longer period.

And again, in chart form:


Finally we look at the question of whether blacks should push for integration.  [Exact question form: "Here are some opinions other people have expressed in  connection with (negro/black)-white relations. Do you agree or  disagree with each statement: a. (Negroes/blacks/African-Americans) shouldn't push themselves  where they're not wanted."]

Again, a very similar pattern emerges.  In this case, the ratios are almost identical in both cases--about 3-1.

Those who strongly disagree that blacks shouldn't push are 3.07 times more likel to say we're spending "too little" on four or more items, compared to those ho strong agree.  And OTOH, those who strongly agree that blacks shouldn't push are 2.92 times more likely to say we're spending "too much", compared to those who strongly disagree.

Here's what it looks like in chart form:

Over the longer time period, the ratio on the spending too little side drops somewhat, while the "too much" ratio increases about half as much--not a bit difference overall.

And, again, in chart form:

Conclusion

The data above leaves no real doubt that conservatives have never been particularly supportive of blacks civil rights struggles.  To the contrary, the libertarian concept of individual freedom is--consciously or not--based on white privilege and property ownership, and the kinds of exlcusionary concerns that come with that privileged history.

Although there were individual exceptions, conservartives on the whole--whether Republicans or Democrats--were the backbone of oppsition to the Civil Rights Movement. To pretend the opposite--as Beck does--is to engage in willful self-delusion.


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The Empyrian realm of conservatism (4.00 / 2)
All true what you say, Paul, but we're wrestling with pawns while the Queen smirks. Attacking Glenn Beck is no doubt necessary, but in no way is it sufficient. As you've noted before, he's making John C. Calhoun's argument, that the only civil rights worthy of the name are those which allow a gentleman to keep slaves -- free of obnoxious government interference.

Now why, one wonders, would Glenn Beck, lately a slave himself, be making such an argument? He ain't got no plantations in Biloxi. The latest New Yorker tells us why -- rich white men with more money than sense, and no morals at all have pumped him full of helium, bullshit, and what Uncle Allen once called filthy, unobtainable dollars. These are our real adversaries, these silent Aryans behind all the public oinking, and given our history, we're likely to be battling them for a long time to come. It'll be a cold day in Hell, no matter what Glenn Beck says, before we have to start worrying about socialist commissars.


Well, Beck's A Minstrel, Not A Master, All Right (4.00 / 4)
But mistrels are employed for the messages they bring.  And thanks to months of push-back, Beck's been forced to tone his down, and even back-track.  Which tells me there's a point to all this push-back, particularly the kind that helps expose the broader lies.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I get most of what you are saying, except (0.00 / 0)
This phrase.

Glenn Beck, lately a slave himself

When and where was Glenn Beck lately a slave?


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Would it have helped (0.00 / 0)
if I'd said wage slave-- or grifter, or hustler, or...? Believe me, I'm the last person on earth that you should take literally. If you do, neither one of us is gonna have any fun. :-)

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Clarification is all I'm after (0.00 / 0)


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Exactly… (0.00 / 0)
...we waste a lot of time and ink on Glenn Beck and the Tea Party (which still hasn't proven to have the numbers to match its press clips), but really, for all its bluster and efforts to strategically obviate, say, MLK's dream and/or the March on Washington this past weekend, any comparisons with the civil rights movement don't really do Beck, Palin or the Tea Party faithful any favors.

Seen another way and from another recent instance, just ask yourself who came off better, Andrew Breitbart or Shirley Sherrod? What needs to keep being stressed is that businessfolk like the Kochs will continue to throw money at their pawns with almost no consequences...just because they can. It probably wouldn't hurt to take a closer look at what, if any, adverse effects their actual businesses are having on the country.

"This ain't for the underground. This here is for the sun." -Saul Williams


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A division of labor (4.00 / 4)
I'm not at all sure that the time is wasted, and I wasn't trying to criticize Paul's choice of targets. We do need to impeach the messenger as well as refute the message. I'm glad that Paul has the energy and expertise to do it, especially since I don't. It's not as though the instigators aren't also being investigated. Jane Mayer did a fine job on the Kochs, and there have been others who've tracked the influence of Scaife, Murdoch, the Walton and Coors families, etc.

We need to push ahead on all fronts. My take is this: we should get a crowbar, pick our brick in the wall, and go to work. If there are enough us, we'll get through to the other side eventually.


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