Democracy Now! takes "back-to-school" look at Obama's war on public education

by: Paul Rosenberg

Fri Sep 03, 2010 at 15:00


Amy Goodman's off this week, but co-host Juan Gonzales has written (and researched) a great deal about education policies, practices and deform, and he did excellent job today with guests Karen Lewis, president of the Chicago Teachers Union, and Lois Weiner, professor of education at New Jersey City University, in a segment "Educators Push Back Against Obama's "Business Model" for School Reforms".

Lewis had hopeful news about growing local movements like the one she's part of in Chicago, where roll-over-and-play-dead union leaders have been ousted, and teachers have increasingly begun to organize with parents.  But I want to focus on a couple of things that Weiner had to say.  Not that they're new, really, to those of us here at Open Left, but it's good to hear them so powerfully validated.

First is that what we're seeing here with "Race to the Top" is part of an already-proven-to-fail global pattern of neo-liberalism ("Shock Doctrine" at school):

JUAN GONZALEZ: Lois Weiner, you've been, in your research, conducting what I would, I guess, call a macro analysis of the education reform-

LOIS WEINER: Right.

JUAN GONZALEZ:-comparing not only what's happening here in the United States, but around the world, in terms of these so-called reform initiatives. Could you talk about that?

LOIS WEINER: Absolutely. And I think it's important to understand that Race to the Top is not unique to the United States, and what Arne Duncan did in Chicago is not unique to Chicago. And in fact, the contours of this program were carried out first under Pinochet in Chile. And this program was implemented by force of military dictatorships and the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund in Latin America. And the results have been verified by researchers there. They produced increased stratification. So I think what we're seeing right now are the results of that increased stratification, a stratification, inequality of results, because if you think about it, No Child Left Behind is almost a decade old. And what are the results? The results are a growing gap between poor minority-achievement of poor minority kids and those kids who come from prosperous families who are-who live in affluent suburbs and in those suburban schools.

And I think it's also very important to understand that this focus on educational reform is replacing, is a substitute for, a jobs policy. We need to understand that. Education can democratize the competition for the existing jobs, but it cannot create new jobs. And when most jobs that are being created are by companies like Wal-Mart, education cannot do anything about that. So, we need to-we really need to look critically at Race to the Top and understand the way that it fits into this new economic order of a so-called jobless recovery and that what's really going on is a vocationalization of education, a watering down of curriculum for most kids, so that they're going to take jobs that require only a seventh or an eighth grade education, because those are the jobs that are being created in this economy.

And so, I think that while we--while it's important to look at the particulars of each state and each city, each school district, it's also important to see this large picture, because almost anything that you can point to me that's being done in Chicago or New York or San Francisco, we can find another place in the world that it was already done, and we can look at those results. And the results are not good.

This is not surprising.  Neoliberalism has already failed, just as conservatism has.  Education is just one policy realm among many where this is so.  It's only a battle of ideology to the extent that we're fighting for facts to matter--as well as people.

Paul Rosenberg :: Democracy Now! takes "back-to-school" look at Obama's war on public education

And, of course, the main barrier to the neo-liberal wet dream is those damn teachers, who expect to make a living at their jobs:

JUAN GONZALEZ: You've also taken a look at the impact of No Child Left Behind on teachers. Could you talk about that?

LOIS WEINER: Well, I think it's important to understand that there are--No Child Left Behind is part of this global project to deprofessionalize teaching as an occupation. And the reason that it's important in this project to deprofessionalize teaching is that the thinking is that the biggest expenditure in education is teacher salaries. And they want to cut costs. They want to diminish the amount of money that's put into public education. And that means they have to lower teacher costs. And in order to do that, they have to deprofessionalize teaching. They have to make it a revolving door, in which we're not going to pay teachers very much. They're not going to stay very long. We're going to credential them really fast. They're going to go in. We're going to burn them up. They're going to leave in three, four, five years. And that's the model that they want.

So who is the biggest impediment to that occurring? Teachers' unions. And that is what explains this massive propaganda effort to say that teachers' unions are an impediment to reform. And in fact, they are an impediment to the deprofessionalization of teaching, which I think is a disaster. It's a disaster for public education.

Oh, and just one more little bit of clarification, in case there was any doubt:  Teachers' salaries may be slated for cutting to the bone, but management, no way!

JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, you know, one of the-I've been, for several years now, looking deeply into these charter schools, and especially their tax forms. And one of the things that has struck me as I look at their various audited financial statements is that, generally speaking, the pay levels of the teachers in the charter schools are far lower than they are for normal public school teachers, but the pay of the executives-

KAREN LEWIS: Yeah.

LOIS WEINER: Yes.

JUAN GONZALEZ: --of the charter schools is far higher--

KAREN LEWIS: Higher, yeah.

LOIS WEINER: Yes.

JUAN GONZALEZ: --than it is for superintendents. So you're, in essence, creating a much bigger wage gap in the schools through the charters--

LOIS WEINER: Yes.

JUAN GONZALEZ: --between management and the employees who actually cover the work.

LOIS WEINER: Yes.

JUAN GONZALEZ: I'm wondering what you found.

LOIS WEINER: Well, that's part of the-you know, that's part of the thinking here, that teaching really is not--does not have to be a skilled profession, because we're not going to teach--we're not going to educate kids to do anything more than work in Wal-Mart or the equivalent. They only need a seventh or an eighth grade education, at most a ninth grade education, and so we don't need teachers who are more than, as Grover Whitehurst, a former Undersecretary of Education, said, "good enough." That's all we need is teachers who are "good enough" to follow scripted curriculum and to teach to these standardized tests. And if you only need teachers who are good enough, you don't have to pay them very much. And that's the project. And regardless of the rhetoric, regardless of the intentions of some of the people who are supporting these reforms, people like the Education Trust, whose work I respect, I think it's important that we look at something beyond the intentions and the rhetoric, and we really look at this project as being a project that's global in its nature.

So, yes, education is not yet getting the sort of sustained progressive attention that it needs.  But things are starting to change, and we here at Open Left are not quite as alone as we might sometimes think or feel.

More and more, the word is getting out.  Help us continue to spread it as the new school year starts.


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No wonder (4.00 / 1)
Kissinger has had nice words for Obama!

I'm with you! (4.00 / 1)
As a former public school teacher and recently laid-off professor, I couldn't agree more about the deprofessionalization of teaching. I recently worked for two franchises of Huntington Learning Centers, which do after-school and exam-prep tutoring in the rapidly growing "educational services" market. Tutors are paid by the hour ($15-18)--most are retired or laid-off teachers, though not all have credentials. The "tutoring" mostly consists of standing there while students sit at carrels doing preprogrammed drill-and-kill on an individual plan prepared by the educational director according to diagnostic tests. About 60% of the work is scoring the exercises according to an elaborate system of notation in the student's binder; maybe 40% is actually teaching, which tutors only do when the student's score on a drill is unusually low. The only decision tutors are allowed to make is to "advance" a student to a higher level of difficulty in the same drill series when their scores are consistently perfect or near-perfect at a given level. To an actual teacher, which I am, it's hard to imagine anything more frustrating and soul-destroying. But make no mistake, this is the future Arne Duncan and his posse want for us. I cannot begin to express the depth of my loathing for Duncan, his co-thinkers, and this vast crime against both children and teachers.  

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Bravo, bravo! (0.00 / 0)
Thank you, Paul, for posting this, and a big, fat thanks to Juan Gonzalez for having this discussion.  (If I weren't already married and post-menopausal, I would want to marry him and have his babies.)  It's definitely a "race to the mediocre."  Or a "race to the just-good-enough."  Why pay teachers too much when all you need produced by the educational system are worker-bees, who will be able to do their jobs, not get too bored, and not question anything?  The one thing that they did not bring up, and that I think is equally salient- you also don't want citizens and voters who are too well-educated, who have been taught critical-thinking skills, who might just question what their representatives are doing in their names, who will swallow all the "talking points of the day."  Of course, the elites will make sure that their kids get the best education possible, but they're grooming their kids to take over when they die, and their kids need to know enough to manipulate the populace, cheat the financial system, and bribe the politicians to do whatever they want done.  

"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."
Benjamin Franklin


Where to Begin? (4.00 / 3)
My first response: Oh my God: the point of education is to fill jobs at Wal Mart? What if Wal Mart collapses in ten or twenty years because China or Brazil or some other country pushes the global economy in one direction or another? Or the oil really does run out and Wal Mart is financially unsustainable? We'll have a country full of uneducated people. Are people that greedy, that hell bent on Randism, they would remove all flexibility we have as a society to adapt to inevitable changes in our economy? Or maybe they're stupid short term thinkers who can't imagine future outcomes?

And what does it say about the potential of every person in this country that it's okay to give them a stupid teacher who is easily replaced? Well, except of course teachers in wealthy school districts. I imagine somehow if paying teachers even less money doesn't work out, the rich kids won't suffer. Their parents will force a change in pay for their schools.

It should go without saying that THE point of education is not to create employees. The point is to create fully functional human adults who can thrive (not just survive) no matter what economy they work in and no matter what the person feels called to do in their life. Otherwise, honestly, we all might as well kill ourselves: really, what is the purpose of life if you're simply, truly a widget in some giant faceless corporation? That's extreme, of course, but that's the direction one's mind naturally leads if the point of education is to not sustain and nurture our humanity but, instead, lash us to the corporate teat. It'd be Serfdom Redux.

Finally, the point about management pay in education I find very interesting. Not just in charter schools, where you expect greed heads. But also in public education. My wife and I debate this point all the time: what is the reason a public school superintendent makes $120k or more, even in a district that performs well like ours? Her argument is that you have to pay market rate. My argument is that public education should be about kids first and, at some point, using some of the excess management pay could go to buy books, pay for needed teachers, and so on.

At some point, those with the job of managing public education should be satisfied with some high level salary, not only what the market will bear. At some point, the need for an individual to make top dollar clashes with the need for a school district, which always has limited funds, to have sufficient funds to perform its mission. (It's the same dynamic at play with progressive taxation: at what point does the individual's right to make as much money as possible clash with the society's need to have funds to support the creation of any wealth and sustain a just society?)

Thanks for another excellent diary today, Paul.


Back to the future (4.00 / 1)
The world you are describing is very simply the world before the New Deal.  In 1940, the median number of years of school completed was just 8.6.  It slowly edged up to 9.3 in 1950, 10.5 in 1960 and 12.2 in 1970.  The same number doesn't seem to be used by the Census today but it is probably around 14 for those between 25 and 34 years old.

Of course the world of 1930 or even more 1890 was a lot less complex.  There were no computers (never mind the internet).  Many jobs were on farms.Mechanization?  Not so much.  Ford invented the assembly line so in 1890 there were interchangeable parts but no assembly line, no cars, planes, television, radio, and most people did not have electricity.

In the 1920s only 5% of college age kids did, in fact, go to college.  In both the 1920s and the 1890s the concentration of wealth and the squeezing of labor helped to bring the economy to its knees (Panic of 1893, Great Depression.

The problem is, such a world would place the United States behind Europe, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore but also China and India.  Are these people nuts?  It didn't work in 1890 and so we try it in 2010?  


Yes, word IS getting out. (4.00 / 2)
The work that Juan Gonzalez is doing is fantastic. And I'm also seeing really hopeful signs from the Washington Post where Valerie Strauss is publishing great stuff and you even see old-time "reformists" like Jay Mathews starting to doubt Duncan's initiatives like RTTT.

The reality is that almost no one was satisfied with the results of RTTT and other competitive grants from Duncan except the politicians and business leaders in those states that won them. This isn't getting Obama any higher marks on the broader range.

The only thing missing from the Democracy Now analysis is mention of how New Orleans and its "tiered system," which I wrote about here at OL on Monday. It really is providing the model that I think other big city schools will follow.

A real puzzler though is what will happen in rural schools, which are the majority of schools, where the "business model" Karen Lewis is referring to simply isn't going to be viable. Rural politicians already know this which is why most Western states simply didn't participate in RTTT.

Great stuff Paul!

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For the work being done here at OL to spread the word. The deprofessionalization of teaching is a serious problem, and one that has current educators very concerned for the future of their profession.

A large percentage of teachers don't last five years in the classroom. If not for the master teaches who did, there would be little consistency in curriculum, traditions to build upon in schools, or institutional memory to avoid recreating wheels that sound better in theory than in they perform in practice, and few mentors and fewer support systems for new teachers - the teachers who need the guidance of an experienced professional the most to not only excel, but often just to cope.

Deprofessionalize teaching and teaching will attract fewer and fewer teachers willing to put up with the rigors of the job or willing to take the long view of their positions. You'll get a revolving door - which will lower the standards for students everywhere as novices out number those who achieved master teacher levels.

If teaching is so easy, then by all means get your degree, pass your certification test(s), get your license, and see if you can last longer than the five years in the classroom 50% of those who enter the profession never make it to.


Absolutely (0.00 / 0)
I would like any of those who are trying to dumb down education, and pay teachers less and less, to last even a week in some of the classrooms I used to teach in.

"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."
Benjamin Franklin


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Thanks for this... (4.00 / 1)
I shared it on my FB page and many of my friends are educators or former educators.  
I may be retired but I believe in public education being the great equalizer.   It was for a generation, imo, and I think it can be again.  Education should be about opening minds to a broader world, a world with possibilities.  Now, education is seen as the "place to train workers."

A few years back our school board was dominated by a group funded by some right wing groups.  Basically they were against public education (in the way people like Reagan, W, and Simpson are against government).  One of them was overheard saying to someone he thought was one of his own (white, male, Christian businessman), he was not worried about how "poor" schools performed or poor kids got educated.....we always will need maids and janitors."  Fortunately even this conservative city did not want them running public schools and we recalled successfully two of them.

That's the mentality I see now in the corporate structures that are supporting anything to end public ed and the horrid teachers unions.


Well that explains it... (4.00 / 2)
We are importing education policy from Chile.  Holy crap!  I spent sometime in Chile...I felt like I was living in a GWBush fantasy.  Privatized social security(a disaster), privatized roads (a disaster), extreme poverty in the heart of the Santiago(revolting).  I was taking a business school course there, and the professors beamed with pride as they told us all about the Chicago Boys and their influence on Chilean public policy.  Schools rely heavily on charity.  Our professor explained how many of his social class had made a particular shanty town their resort community.  The only problem was the local school was so poor it was depressing.  The resort community eventually began fundraising for the school.  "It worked out quite well for them(the kids)", he explained.  My first thought was what about the schools in shanty towns that don't draw vacationers?  Truely unbelievable that Chile is the model of education a Democrat would draw from.

So if we look around the world (0.00 / 0)
What countries have education policies that we should look into copying?

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Two Suggestions: (4.00 / 1)
(1) Most other countries have much less reliance on private education.  So whatever they're doing right, privatization isn't the answer.

(2) BUT, many educators in other countries decry their inability to produce students with as much initiative, creativity and imagination as US students.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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International comparisons are tricky. (4.00 / 3)
As Gerald Bracey explains, the US does far better than most countries in educating the top levels of school children. And Yong Zhao teaches us that most countries are actually trying to copy our system. It's really a false argument that American schools are broken and we need to look abroad for solutions. True, there are practices and policies in places like Finland and Japan that seem very attractive on paper, but those countries are very different from us, culturally, and their economies are no more vibrant. So whatever these countries offer should be carefully tested on a community level before rolled out wholesale.

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Right, we need to start providing (4.00 / 1)
the excellent public education we provide some American students to all American students. It is an issue of inequality, not of method.

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.

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I am not sure that there is (4.00 / 1)
any country that has tried to do as we, here, have been trying to do for years.   That is, create a system that offers the same opportunity to all students regardless of academic abilities and family support.
Granted, for years our "separate but equal" policies of segregation denied equal opportunity for minorities in the south.  As well, our assigning of students into ability based classrooms, hurt many as nature and nurture were viewed the same.   That is, students who performed poorly because of situations, home life, were treated as if they had learning disabilities.  And females were often shut out of classes that were considered "male only." (shop, mechanical drawing)

But slowly our system changed, long before most countries changed.  I remember having a pen pal in Japan.  When were in the 8th grade, she told me, she had to stop writing as all of her time had to be devoted to studying hard to get into the right high school.  I had no clue as to what she was talking about.  But apparently this was common in many countries. A student had to qualify for certain high schools and this was important because colleges only even considered taking students from those schools.

Anyway here's the hard thing for any country/system wanting to make public education an equalizer.   There's no silver bullet, no magic potion to make that happen.  Teaching is hard.   Anyone can do it poorly, but it takes many talents to do it well.  The skills needed by the teacher are many and varied.  An inner city school requires different skills than a rich suburban school.  In one the parents may be absent, many be angry, may be undereducated themselves and not trusting of the the system. In the other, the parents can be and often are allies.  
Class size matters in all schools, but is even more important where students need more attention, coaching, support and confidence building.  
The arts matter for all students and are the first thing pulled in economic crunch.  But students in high socioeconomic neighborhoods have parents who can and will pay for music, art, private lessons, take kids to the museums and expose them to activities that enrich culturally.  For example, when I was teaching in a poor school in Philly, most of my students in 5th grade had never been to Independence Hall, to see the Liberty Bell, even though they lived 15 minutes away.   When I was in a school in the burbs, those students had been those places many times with their parents even though it was a forty minute drive in horrendous traffic, and they knew all the historical significance already.

Educator experience matters regardless but is ultimately better for long term survival in a poor school.  Unfortunately, since NCLB, fewer experienced teachers than ever want to go to low performing schools.   The large turn over of teachers in low performing schools is not surprising.  Meanwhile, in schools where there is strong parental support, high achievement, the turn over is minimal.

Charter schools in low performing neighbor hoods perform no better than the public schools.  While some tout higher schools, when examined, often a truth the public never hears comes out.  Parents of special needs children are told (after count day) that they should take their child back to public school as there is no special needs teachers on staff.  

There are many things that need to be fixed in our public school system.   But charter and private schools are not the answers.  Not saying that some alternative schools are not needed.  But, as with prisons and health care, the minute a profit motive is introduced, we have taken away the notion of a equalizing opportunity for all children.  


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